Re: How to get full retraction

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Tim Channon wrote:

> Bill and anyone who can think of ways to achieve an effect.

>

> If a peer reviewed paper has been published, major organisations

> involved, research publicly funded. The paper has also been picked up by

> the media and spread. It is cited.

>

> If the research result is plain wrong and damaging, how are the authors

> or whoever forced to retract it and undo the damage?

The first step is to write the Editor of whichever journal published the

paper. Call attention to what you believe is an error:

" He, Him, and Them (journal, vol, page, date) claim XYZ, LMN, and God

knows WHATALL. But XYZ was refuted thoroughly by (Authors, Cite, Date).

Further, the authors' own calculations are in error: show the error].

.... and so on and on. "

Keep it short. Make sure your own facts are irrefutable.

You may sign your own name and ordinary street address. You do not

need an institutional affiliation.

If accepted, usually that'll appear in a Letters section, or a

special section for formal Commentary.

The original authors *always* are given an opportunity *in the same

issue* as your own letter to *rebut* your charges/comments.

*You* cannot force a retraction. No matter who or what you are; no

matter your own evidence to the contrary. An Editor *might*; *you* have

no power. ...Except possibly persuasion.

Retractions are very rare, made by the authors themselves when/if

they are *faced* with *proof* of error.

" Refutations " are more common. But being formal submissions, themselves

are subject to challenge.

While Refutations may stand the test of time, and come to be accepted in

the scientific community, subsequent Retractions almost never appear.

Some examples include the " polywater " and " room temperature

(tabletop) nuclear fusion " affairs. I don't think the original authors

involved in those ever Retracted their papers.

In an area of interest to ASPIRES, the (in)famous " Burt Affair " is

part-way down this page: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_Burt>

...where a famous psychologist of his day, after his death was found

to have committed extensive scientific fraud in IQ research.

>

> Wrong might be bad science, set out to prove something true, failing to

> do a sanity check, making assertions based on the actual data where that

> may not be said.

Might I read the paper in question? Citation?

- Bill, 76, AS

--

WD " Bill " Loughman - Berkeley, California USA

http://home.earthlink.net/~wdloughman/wdl.htm

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thalidomide readearch would be a candidate...would also like to peruse offending article.

37 m diagnosed AS.> Bill and anyone who can think of ways to achieve an effect.> > If a peer reviewed paper has been published, major organisations> involved, research publicly funded. The paper has also been picked up by> the media and spread. It is cited.> > If the research result is plain wrong and damaging, how are the authors> or whoever forced to retract it and undo the damage?The first step is to write the Editor of whichever journal published the paper. Call attention to what you believe is an error:"He, Him, and Them (journal, vol, page, date) claim XYZ, LMN, and God knows WHATALL. But XYZ was refuted thoroughly by (Authors, Cite, Date). Further, the authors' own calculations are in error: show the error].... and so on and on."Keep it short. Make sure your own facts are irrefutable.You may sign your own name and ordinary street address. You

do not need an institutional affiliation.If accepted, usually that'll appear in a Letters section, or a special section for formal Commentary.The original authors *always* are given an opportunity *in the same issue* as your own letter to *rebut* your charges/comments.*You* cannot force a retraction. No matter who or what you are; no matter your own evidence to the contrary. An Editor *might*; *you* have no power. ...Except possibly persuasion.Retractions are very rare, made by the authors themselves when/if they are *faced* with *proof* of error."Refutations" are more common. But being formal submissions, themselves are subject to challenge.While Refutations may stand the test of time, and come to be accepted in the scientific community, subsequent Retractions almost never appear.Some examples include the "polywater" and "room temperature (tabletop) nuclear fusion" affairs. I

don't think the original authors involved in those ever Retracted their papers.In an area of interest to ASPIRES, the (in)famous "Burt Affair" is part-way down this page: <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Cyril_Burt>...where a famous psychologist of his day, after his death was found to have committed extensive scientific fraud in IQ research.> > Wrong might be bad science, set out to prove something true, failing to> do a sanity check, making assertions based on the actual data where that> may not be said.Might I read the paper in question? Citation?- Bill, 76, AS-- WD "Bill" Loughman - Berkeley, California USAhttp://home. earthlink. net/~wdloughman/

wdl.htm

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WD Loughman wrote:

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> Might I read the paper in question? Citation?

Sure. I'll do it privately.

I asked in public because it's a major problem out there.