Re: I'm trying to detirmine something about my exposure

August 12, 2009

Jeanine,

Sorry to hear about more difficulties but this could help to explain

what has been happening to you over the years. One correction, I

think you meant carbon monoxide (CO) rather than carbon

dioxide (CO2).

Depending on the level and other factors, low levels of CO can

cause sleepiness. But it also often causes flu-like symptoms and

sometimes bright red lips.

There isn't much research on chronic effects from long term

exposures but clients I've been involved with have reported a

broad range of mental and energy functioning issues. Keep in

mind that CO binds with the red blood cells and reduces the

oxygen available to the body, creating oxygen deprevation. This

is particularly critical for the brain and the heart. Too much for too

long will kill.

The action levels used to be what would set off a CO alarm,

usually above 200 ppm. This is now well accepted as an alarming

level (pun intended). 300-500 can kill in minutes.

35-50 ppm is now considered of serious concern with 20 ppm or

below better and some citing less than 9 ppm for constant

exposure.

One interesting document was published by WHO Europe in

2000 The table of values is found on page 12 at:

http://www.euro.who.int/document/aiq/5_5carbonmonoxide.pdf

It establishes the following guidelines for CO exposure to reach a

critical blood level of 2.5%.

* 90 ppm for 15 minutes

* 50 ppm for 30 minutes

* 25 ppm for 1 hour

* 10 ppm for 8 hours.

This appears to be much lower than what I've seen in the US.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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would welcome input from experts too.

it was documented that along with mold, there was a water heater

not properly vented. I couldn't say awake more than 2 hours and when

the grandkids stayed the night they fell asleep quickly after coming in

from outdoors. from what i've read, carbondioxide can also cause brain

swelling and tbi. this house also had very high counts of molds, around

30,000. did anyone else with exposure to what might be considered high

amounts of mold, or in a situation where the contaminants had collexted

for many years, have problems with not being able to stay awake very

long, or would there be a possable mixture of contaminants from the

mold growth itself that might cause this reaction?

trying to deside if that part was from carbondioxide poisoning or the

mold. possably both mixed made it into something worse. ?

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my brain swelled from exposure to stachy. when my brain was trying to recover i

slept and slept and slept and slept.

From: who <jeaninem660@...>

Subject: [] I'm trying to detirmine something about my exposure

Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 7:24 PM

would welcome input from experts too.

it was documented that along with mold, there was a water heater

not properly vented. I couldn't say awake more than 2 hours and when the

grandkids stayed the night they fell asleep quickly after coming in from

outdoors. from what i've read, carbondioxide can also cause brain swelling and

tbi. this house also had very high counts of molds, around 30,000. did anyone

else with exposure to what might be considered high amounts of mold, or in a

situation where the contaminants had collexted for many years, have problems

with not being able to stay awake very long, or would there be a possable

mixture of contaminants from the mold growth itself that might cause this

reaction?

trying to deside if that part was from carbondioxide poisoning or the mold.

possably both mixed made it into something worse. ?

August 12, 2009

My family also had excessive sleeping problems after our exposure.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:09:12 PM

Subject: Re: [] I'm trying to detirmine something about my exposure

my brain swelled from exposure to stachy. when my brain was trying to recover i

slept and slept and slept and slept.

August 12, 2009

Thank you Carl, everything is a blur from that time in that house, renenber

spending alot of time outside. something is that happened was that my ears

swelled closed, or the glands behind my ears swelled and forced the canals

closed, gee it hurt, i couldn't stand any noises, when i went outside they would

unswell enough thay the fluid coming out my nose and down my throat would than

run out my ears.

i havent really heard of anyone haveing this happen, so it seems there were

other things envolved with my exposure.

>

> Jeanine,

>

> Sorry to hear about more difficulties but this could help to explain

> what has been happening to you over the years. One correction, I

> think you meant carbon monoxide (CO) rather than carbon

> dioxide (CO2).

>

> Depending on the level and other factors, low levels of CO can

> cause sleepiness. But it also often causes flu-like symptoms and

> sometimes bright red lips.

>

> There isn't much research on chronic effects from long term

> exposures but clients I've been involved with have reported a

> broad range of mental and energy functioning issues. Keep in

> mind that CO binds with the red blood cells and reduces the

> oxygen available to the body, creating oxygen deprevation. This

> is particularly critical for the brain and the heart. Too much for too

> long will kill.

>

> The action levels used to be what would set off a CO alarm,

> usually above 200 ppm. This is now well accepted as an alarming

> level (pun intended). 300-500 can kill in minutes.

>

> 35-50 ppm is now considered of serious concern with 20 ppm or

> below better and some citing less than 9 ppm for constant

> exposure.

>

> One interesting document was published by WHO Europe in

> 2000 The table of values is found on page 12 at:

> http://www.euro.who.int/document/aiq/5_5carbonmonoxide.pdf

>

> It establishes the following guidelines for CO exposure to reach a

> critical blood level of 2.5%.

>

> * 90 ppm for 15 minutes

> * 50 ppm for 30 minutes

> * 25 ppm for 1 hour

> * 10 ppm for 8 hours.

>

> This appears to be much lower than what I've seen in the US.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

> -----

> would welcome input from experts too.

> it was documented that along with mold, there was a water heater

> not properly vented. I couldn't say awake more than 2 hours and when

> the grandkids stayed the night they fell asleep quickly after coming in

> from outdoors. from what i've read, carbondioxide can also cause brain

> swelling and tbi. this house also had very high counts of molds, around

> 30,000. did anyone else with exposure to what might be considered high

> amounts of mold, or in a situation where the contaminants had collexted

> for many years, have problems with not being able to stay awake very

> long, or would there be a possable mixture of contaminants from the

> mold growth itself that might cause this reaction?

> trying to deside if that part was from carbondioxide poisoning or the

> mold. possably both mixed made it into something worse. ?

>

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August 12, 2009

Your situation illustrates, unfortunately, how multiple exposures

are often the case. Recognizing that something is wrong

becomes difficult when it affects our ability to think and analyze.

Even worse if it affects our ability to sense " something, " which is

what Carbon Monoxide does. It can't be detected by smell and

the oxygen depravation can affect our brain. At high levels people

feel ill so they go to bed and go to sleep, not realizing what will

happen.

Fortunately, most of what we on this group experience isn't lethal.

Unfortunately, the suffering sometimes doesn't stop, like with you

and many others.