Re:OT: Remember Nate Tseglin's forced drugging case?

September 29, 2008

Now that Nate has been returned to his parents, I wonder what the long-term

effects of the " kidnapping " and sedation/deprivation will be...

September 29, 2008

The PTSD will be monumental and hard to find direct services to meet

his needs. That is one area, within trauma assistance, that is really

lacking and professionals need to pick up that slack.

Cg

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> Now that Nate has been returned to his parents, I wonder what the

long-term effects of the " kidnapping " and sedation/deprivation will

be...

>

September 29, 2008

The stories of what Nate was going through in Fairview are a horror

show. He was having grand mals from the drugs, appeared to have had a

stroke, was being assaulted by staff, etc. Because of the drugs,

Nate's now at risk for diabetes, dementia, seizures and tics, not to

mention what that stuff does to already existing mitochondrial

dysfunction and methylation problems.

There's very little good professional care for PTSD these days,

especially since the dx is now on the excuse-to-drug conveyor belt in

the armed forces. Because the army drugs the bejesus out of battle-

fatigued soldiers, this will be the " orthodox " approach for a long

time coming (sort of a professional good money after bad effect). A

famous PTSD specialist who put together what's probably the best

study compilation on PTSD therapy made a statement on the army's

response to it-- not good.

In any case, offering drugs would be sort of ironic here and it's

good that the family seems to know this and may take advantage of

some reform therapeutic resources in their state that people were

forwarding. In the end, the best lifelong therapy for PTSD is

community involvement, community absolution and even justice. I'm

hoping the autistic self-advocate who helped them may also be helping

with the aftermath.

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> The PTSD will be monumental and hard to find direct services to

meet

> his needs. That is one area, within trauma assistance, that is

really

> lacking and professionals need to pick up that slack.

>

> Cg

>

September 30, 2008

Not that I am discounting the PTSD (which if nothing else has shown us is

significant and long-term the Viet Nam War and our treatment of its veterans

has), but there is also the long-term ramifications of the heavy medication he

has taken for the year THEY held him. Neuroleptics are are not abby aspirin

(preaching to the choir, yes I know) and tho they may be a necessary evil to

people who are truly violently insane, their use has been heavily expanded by

the ever gluttonous Pharma into areas where much more benign medications, or

perhaps behavioral interventions are far more appropriate.

Here is hoping that Nate and his parents are able to heal quikly. It is too

much to hope that the over-zealous " professionals " who committed this travesty

pay the price for theis crimes.

Anyone want to venture a guess how many other " Nates " are out their still?

September 30, 2008

There unfortunately are quite a few. Folks need to look at how many

institutions you still have operating in your states. Nate made it

out and hopefully will be ok, however we have folks dying in

instititional settings with no one even paying attention.

We have one residential facility left in MI. Within an eight month

period one man with ASD was killed, one had his spleen ruptured and

required an extended hospitalization. The death initially was ruled

an accidental drowning in a tub until the family investigated and

found he had been beated and died from internal injuries. Still no

suspects named, no one charged in this homicide nor the other assault.

This is happening daily in segregated institutionalized settings

because as a cop, whom responded to the facility my brother was in

after we insisted on an investigation, said " usually people don't

care about these folks " . Then he questioned my as to why I wasn't

providing care for him. Well having a child at the time that was

severely affected by his ASD, and two dying parents who I was

commuting to provide care to 200 miles a day and work full time, was

a little more than even I could handle. Nice empathic comment by the

guy by the way and I told him so. I also told him that we had filed

for placement and were denied.

It's not a good scene and that is why we need to shine some light on

these situations. But yes I know......we can only do so much. My

brother died in 1999 and I still live with the what ifs. But I can't

and just continue to try to do what I can for our son and others so

they will not die the way he did.

Cg

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> Not that I am discounting the PTSD (which if nothing else has shown

us is significant and long-term the Viet Nam War and our treatment of

its veterans has), but there is also the long-term ramifications of

the heavy medication he has taken for the year THEY held him.

Neuroleptics are are not abby aspirin (preaching to the choir, yes I

know) and tho they may be a necessary evil to people who are truly

violently insane, their use has been heavily expanded by the ever

gluttonous Pharma into areas where much more benign medications, or

perhaps behavioral interventions are far more appropriate.

>

> Here is hoping that Nate and his parents are able to heal quikly.

It is too much to hope that the over-zealous " professionals " who

committed this travesty pay the price for theis crimes.

>

> Anyone want to venture a guess how many other " Nates " are out their

still?

>

October 1, 2008

I'm a member of the choir and don't mind being preached to. I just

say Amen. I agree with CG-- the only thing novel about this situation

is that we even heard about it. The horrors go on every day and I'm

very, very sorry to hear about your brother. Clearly you're going to

be more sensitive to this kind of thing than most and I hope people

listen to you.

As far as I understand, all the problems we're having about the press

blackouts on information re vaccine injuries has long been the

practice for institutional abuses. Every once in a while, some case

is highlighted, but this only serves to make the public think that

the press is generally indignant about such things and that these

cases are rare, neither of which has ever been true. The generation

of ASD children coming of age are going to bring out increasing

brutality in res. care facilities and institutions as well. At some

point, our movement is going to have to fully involve itself in

stemming some of the bloodshed and " protracted euthanasia " style

drugging. Up to this point, it hasn't been very organized in dealing

with it.

Think about it: in pre-Nazi Germany under the T4 program, the rate of

mentally disabled was less than 3 per 1000, giving psychiatrists and

medical personel the grand idea to do away with institutionalized

people to cleanse the populace and remove what they believed to be an

unweildy " societal burden " in a time of economic hardship. Today the

rate of " disabled mentally ill " is about 20 per 1000 and I don't

believe that includes children of the epidemic. As the economy gets

more and more screwed up, we'll have to be on guard for this sort of

mentality taking over.

Most of this rise in cases since the fifties and before is believed

to be the results of various chemical or iatrogenic injury.