Milk Thistle

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Yes, I take it regularly. To save money recently and because the caps I found

had other stuff I didn't want in with it, I bought it loose in the bulk section

of a HFS and just sprinkle it on my (gf) waffles, pancakes, in cereal, or in my

smoothie. Does't really have much of a taste IMO.

S S

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  anyone take it? <BR>

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Yes. I consider it a staple to any regimen. I have never heard

anyone say they didn't tolerate milk thistle (jinxed myself, for sure).

Pam

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> anyone take it?

> janey

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> Yes, I take it regularly. To save money recently and because the

caps I found had other stuff I didn't want in with it, I bought it

loose in the bulk section of a HFS and just sprinkle it on my (gf)

waffles, pancakes, in cereal, or in my smoothie. Does't really have

much of a taste IMO.

> S S

okay, , I'm curious: what form is this bulk milk thistle in?

Is it, um, like shredded???

Milk thistle seed is VERY VERY hard.

I've tried to chop it in a blender, which has very little effect.

(I did this prior to using the seed to make tincture)

I read a recipe that had milk thistle seed and I think it was

soaked or something (I'll have to go find that again).

thanks,

Moria

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Both " Milk Thistle " and " Artichoke " have essentially the same tonic effect

on the liver and the same major active ingredient. Mowry

scientifically validates these with many references and covers both

extensively in his book Herbal Tonic Therapies.

Among their many many effects, both are chologogues, causing the liver/gall

bladder chol (bile) to increase and dump into the intestines. Depending on

the toxicity of what is being dumped, it may cause a quicker bowel movement

or diarrhea. Diarrhea in this case isn't bad because it is means the liver

is dumping toxins and has purposely shut off reabsorption not to cause an

inter-hepatic loop causing recirculating damage.

It's hard to get therapeutic amounts unless you take a standardized extract.

Personally I like Enzymatic therapy Artichoke Extract. If you have

sensitivity to it, which most don't when taken with food, you can try taking

it with a liquid phosphatidylcholine.

When I still had my amalgams, and was diagnosed with major liver

degeneration, I used to eat it like candy. 5 or so at each meal, and

sometimes a handful of 30 or so that would make me sleep like a rock for

hours. A year later my ultrasound showed 50% less liver degeneration. It is

one of the few substances proven to heal the deep scarring of the liver

(cirrhosis).

It's also a great thing to keep on hand for acute poisoning. It can save a

person or an animals life in cases of poisoning.

Cheers,

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Hi ;

Have you used it? Would you say that it causes diarrhea or not? Just

wondering. Someone mentioned it's extremely high in oxalates, BTW.

Thanks,

Mark

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Thanks for such a great explanation. We've never given milk

thistle to our son even though we have a bottle. Now I can see that

it would be good, and especially during chelation.

Mark

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Moria,

It's already ground/shredded (not a fine powder but not of significant texture,

maybe what some would call granules?) when I buy it. I keep it in the fridge

since it has been processed in some way. We have a small coffee grinder which

we use as a spice grinder (neither of us drinks coffee). I wonder if something

like that would work for that which is sold whole. My thought was that if it

tastes bad or had a funky texture (my husband makes fun of me because I pull all

the " strings " off bananas and oranges) I would put it in empty veg caps. The

caps are expensive so I tried it plain first and decided we could spend that

money on something other than more veg caps.

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okay, , I'm curious: what form is this bulk milk thistle in?<BR>

Is it, um, like shredded???<BR>

Milk thistle seed is VERY VERY hard.<BR>

I've tried to chop it in a blender, which has very little effect.<BR>

(I did this prior to using the seed to make tincture)<BR>

I read a recipe that had milk thistle seed and I think it was<BR>

soaked or something (I'll have to go find that again).<BR>

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thanks,<BR>

Moria<BR>

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I have not heard this. As far as I knew it should be used all the time

before beginning chelation, during and in between rounds.

My kids have been on it since May and we have not seen any problems

with it. From the reading I did, it is supposed to be beneficial to

the liver for most anyone even if not chelating. (with exception of

the previous noted posts of someone having a reaction). That is the

first person I have heard of though who could not tolerate it.

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> I heard milk thistle was for short term use. Any ideas of what short

> term is? Thanks, Melinda

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My son is very sensitive to all herbs. Maybe some day he will be able

to tolerate them better. The only one he can tolerate so far is oil of

oregano.

> > > > Does anybody know why I dwould have a seizure-like attack from

> two

> > > caps of

> > > > milk thistle?

> > > > ~Inga

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> > > no, but it does mean to me that you should not try taking it.

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> > > Do you happen to have negative responses to eating artichokes?

> > > The plants are related.

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> > > good wishes,

> > > Moria

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> Would milk thistle cause cause hyperactivity?

My son did not tolerate green foods [including herbs like milk

thistle], they caused hyper as well as other things until near the end

of ALA chelation plus selenium.

My son is is wild latley

> with yeasty poops and yeasty behavior (laughing, staying up too late,

> silly stuff going on). This is the only new supplement we've added

> lately.

Have you tried increasing your yeast protocol, see if that helps.

Dana

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It's very easy to make your own tincture of milk thistle. Purchase the

seed or seed powder at www.mountainroseherbs.com - put said herb in an

opaque, lidded, non-reactive container with grain alcohol. Place it

somewhere cool for 4-6 weeks, shaking occaisionally. Much cheaper.

Desh

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Let me insert this also. Dr Schulze says to start tinctures on

the New Moon and take off on the full moon. He says it gives better

results.The longer they sit the stronger they get.

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> It's very easy to make your own tincture of milk thistle. Purchase the

> seed or seed powder at www.mountainroseherbs.com - put said herb in an

> opaque, lidded, non-reactive container with grain alcohol. Place it

> somewhere cool for 4-6 weeks, shaking occaisionally. Much cheaper.

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> Desh

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In a message dated 4/29/07 8:41:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

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> It's very easy to make your own tincture of milk thistle. Purchase the

> seed or seed powder at www.mountainroseherbs.com - put said herb in an

> opaque, lidded, non-reactive container with grain alcohol. Place it

> somewhere cool for 4-6 weeks, shaking occaisionally. Much cheaper. >>

I take a Sillymarin slash milk thistle capsule a day. How would this convert

to use of your tinctue...a teaspoon a day?

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On 4/29/07, De Bell-Frantz <deshabell@...> wrote:

> It's very easy to make your own tincture of milk thistle. Purchase the

> seed or seed powder at www.mountainroseherbs.com - put said herb in an

> opaque, lidded, non-reactive container with grain alcohol. Place it

> somewhere cool for 4-6 weeks, shaking occaisionally. Much cheaper.

>

> Desh

I wouldn't use the seed powder unless you have some way of making the

powder and controlling the heat. Also when filling the container you

want to make sure the herbs are filled to the top and then pour the

alcohol in.

The best medicinal herb farm in my opinion is Pacific Botanicals:

http://www.pacificbotanicals.com/

The quality of the herbs they sell is outstanding.

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On 4/29/07, mkathryn59 <mkathryn59@...> wrote:

> Let me insert this also. Dr Schulze says to start tinctures on

> the New Moon and take off on the full moon. He says it gives better

> results.The longer they sit the stronger they get.

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And to take it one step further you will get the best results by going

for a couple of cycles rather than one. Once your first batch has

steeped for the required time, fill another container with herbs to

the top, press the liquid from your just completed batch into the new

container, then top it off with grain alcohol. Let it steep for

another couple of weeks.

After that if you make the tincture by pressing the liquid out using

some kind of hydraulic press rather than just straining and draining,

you will have the absolutely best herbal tincture you can get. Nothing

at retail will even be remotely close.

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This is the day of resurrection,

Let us be illumined by the feast,

Let us embrace each other,

Let us call " brothers " even those that hate us,

And forgive all by the resurrection,

And so let us cry: Christ is risen from the dead,

Trampling down death by death,

And upon those in the tombs bestowing life.

Christ is risen!

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Yes, around that. Should be more effective- usually an infusion (very

strong tea) is your best bet with herbs, next a tincture. In a capsule

isn't always effective for most medicinal plants. You want the active

constituents primed for digestion.

Desh

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> In the case of allergies or leaky gut, food particles and toxins get

> into the blood stream causing various types of reactions. So, if

> there is a food that causes a reaction, even while taking digestive

> enzymes, and my son ate that food and was having a reaction to it,

> would Milk Thistle help to shorten that reaction time by helping the

> liver to clean out the blood stream?

It does sound like a possibility. Most people use Pepcid AC and/or

activated charcoal to help with food problems/infractions. You can

certainly try milk thistle and see if it helps.

Dana

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What does the label say? The Milk Thistle I take is in capsules. Regardless, I'd start slow and gradually work up to a full dose. . . Milk Thistle is something you can take throughout your life - especially after you've had implants! How are you doing these days? . . . Still have the creepy crawly feeling in your knees? skin eruptions? Hugs, Rogene

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1/4 cap four times a day

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> Does anyone know what the safe dosage is for milk thistle? My son is

24

> to 25 lbs. Appreciate anyone knowlegable on this herb input thanks : )

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What do you have for milk thistle? They vary in mg per manufacturer.

Also, are you chelating yet? I believe that would make a difference.

Any sign of liver problems, or just as basic support?

As an adult, I try to hang around 700 mg, and dose only at bedtime. That

is the dose that seems most effective for me, and I've read varying

suggestions for optimum. Though I have read there is an optimum and

minimal risk of overdoing. But, any extra is just wasted pretty much.

I've tried four different brands and prefer Gaia (but expensive). Of

those brands, I've taken anywhere from 1 - 3 caps to get the dosage I

want. I give my kids 1/3 of that when I give it to them. They are

teens though.

l.largey wrote:

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> Does anyone know what the safe dosage is for milk thistle? My son is 24

> to 25 lbs. Appreciate anyone knowlegable on this herb input thanks : )

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Hmm I must have a different brand. Mine has 2,000 mg per dropperful so I was

just giving him 1 drop 4 x a day figurng it was about 20mg per dose or so. So

right now he is getting about 80 mg a day. Is that too little

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1/4 cap four times a day

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> Does anyone know what the safe dosage is for milk thistle? My son is

24

> to 25 lbs. Appreciate anyone knowlegable on this herb input thanks : )

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80 mg is probably enough for a child that size.

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In a message dated 15/01/2008 13:02:45 GMT Standard Time, nmsabel@...

writes:

I would like to add this in to my son's supplements. Can anyone

recommend a dose/brand for my 8 yr old who's about 75 lbs?

>>I like Kirkman, doses are on their site

Mandi in UK

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In a message dated 15/01/2008 13:57:32 GMT Standard Time,

chanisco@... writes:

What specifically is it used for in children?

>>Liver support

Mandi in Uk

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I do ¼ cap out of a 100mg capsule 2-3 times a day for my 23# daughter and

worked my way to that dose. I use krikman brand.

HTH

Leo

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Is the milk thistle for liver help? My naturopath has me taking it for my

food allergies and leaky gut. I wonder if I should give it to my boys as

well. What specifically is it used for in children?

Thanks!

Chris

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I do ¼ cap out of a 100mg capsule 2-3 times a day for my 23# daughter and

worked my way to that dose. I use krikman brand.

HTH

Leo