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Your squishy fat is being replaced with sexy, hard muscle. A 6%

bodyfat loss is excellent. That's almost 1% per wk. The scale is not

going down much because you are building muscle at roughly the same

rate as you are losing fat. What do you weigh? If you are in a

healthy wt range you may not show any scale wt loss, but you will

look good because you are getting leaner (gaining muscle). And, yes,

for most people the belly/hip/thigh fat is the last to go....sadly.

The loose skin will tighten up...it takes time.

Becky

> HI! I am a 27 year old SAHM and I am in week 7 of my second

challenge. I took the first last March and then took way to much time

off before beginning my secong challenge. I gained 60lbs with my baby

and thanks to BFL I lost just about all of it during challenge 1. But

since I didn't take great care of myself before pregnancy I was

although slender covered with cellulite. So naturally my goal this

time around and for challenge #3 when I get there is to reduce my

body fat and get that cellulite off. Also because of the massive

weight gain with my baby and my size (5'0 small frame) I have some

damage to my abdomen, lose skin but even worse fat tissue that has

been torn up a bit so it looks really odd. It has thankfully improved

a lot.

>

> Here is my problem. I am currently at 27% BF which is quite a drop

from 34% at the beginning of this challenge. I have not lost a single

pound which is ok because of the muscle to fat exchange but I still

think I shouldbe dropping some weight. I have in the last two weeks

seen a dramatic drop in the rate of which I lose body fat. My body

seems to really be holding on tight. I am not sure what I can do to

help. I am not sure if I am hitting a slow time or if I am doing

something wrong. I eat my six meals a day, I never miss a workout, I

use MYoplex and I put muscle on really easily. I just can't seem to

shake the fat. I have had days where I don't get in as much water as

I should but I am trying to fix that. Could I be taking in too many

calories?

>

> Anyone else ever go through this?

>

> And to those of you who have met your goals is it true that the fat

in the abs is the last to go?

>

> Thanks!!!!

>

>

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I'm in my sixth week of c1 and haven't seen any progress. - other than I'm

lifting more and can't sleep past seven something on the weekends due to my

schedule change from rising at eight thirty each morning to five.

I was thinking the same thing as you, about eating too many calories, so I put

my intake in at fitday and it was coming out around fourteen to sixteen hundred.

I talked to a woman who had previously won a challenge and now trains people.

These are the things she recommended to me.

Take in around two thousand calories - I'm five six and near one sixty. Add

moderate cardio, for me a consistent heart rate of one thirty three for twenty

minutes after weight routines - I'm going to start with twice a week. More

carbs. More sleep. She also recommended I get my thyroid checked. Mine is in

normal range,but at the low end so I'm now taking a thyroid support supplement.

I too have followed the plan. I am a twenty nine year old SAHM. I wish you

luck. It sounds like you had great results before....wish I could say the same.

My gym owner came over this morning and started asking how I was feeling. I

told him I was getting depressed at the lack of progress. He tried to reassure

me with the, " well you've had a lot of kids " like what that has to do with

anything, I don't know. I know he was trying to be encouraging. of course he

went to my husband who is on week four and says, " you're looking slim "

UUUGGHHHH!

C

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Thanks becky, I feel better now. Iam currently bouncing bewteen 111-112 and I am

5'0 so that is within the healthy range for me. I am also glad to know that the

belly is the last to go. I don't feel quite so frustrated anymore.

Thanks Again!

" Becky <rebeccahampton@...> " <rebeccahampton@...> wrote:

>Your squishy fat is being replaced with sexy, hard muscle. A 6%

>bodyfat loss is excellent.  That's almost 1% per wk. The scale is not

>going down much because you are building muscle at roughly the same

>rate as you are losing fat. What do you weigh?  If you are in a

>healthy wt range you may not show any scale wt loss, but you will

>look good because you are getting leaner (gaining muscle). And, yes,

>for most people the belly/hip/thigh fat is the last to go....sadly.

>The loose skin will tighten up...it takes time.

>Becky

>

>

>> HI! I am a 27 year old SAHM and I am in week 7 of my second

>challenge. I took the first last March and then took way to much time

>off before beginning my secong challenge. I gained 60lbs with my baby

>and thanks to BFL I lost just about all of it during challenge 1. But

>since I didn't take great care of myself before pregnancy I was

>although slender covered with cellulite. So naturally my goal this

>time around and for challenge #3 when I get there is to reduce my

>body fat and get that cellulite off. Also because of the massive

>weight gain with my baby and my size (5'0 small frame) I have some

>damage to my abdomen, lose skin but even worse fat tissue that has

>been torn up a bit so it looks really odd. It has thankfully improved

>a lot.

>>

>> Here is my problem. I am currently at 27% BF which is quite a drop

>from 34% at the beginning of this challenge. I have not lost a single

>pound which is ok because of the muscle to fat exchange but I still

>think I shouldbe dropping some weight. I have in the last two weeks

>seen a dramatic drop in the rate of which I lose body fat. My body

>seems to really be holding on tight. I am not sure what I can do to

>help. I am not sure if I am hitting a slow time or if I am doing

>something wrong. I eat my six meals a day, I never miss a workout, I

>use MYoplex and I put muscle on really easily. I just can't seem to

>shake the fat. I have had days where I don't get in as much water as

>I should but I am trying to fix that. Could I be taking in too many

>calories?

>>

>> Anyone else ever go through this?

>>

>> And to those of you who have met your goals is it true that the fat

>in the abs is the last to go?

>>

>> Thanks!!!!

>>

>>

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Hi Carol,

My name is and my son is 5, too. I can't answer your

question about no enzymes at lunch but I read a suggestion in 's

book about sending in a cup with the enzymes and some powdered drink

mix and giving instructions to just add water and serve with lunch.

That's probably what we'll do when my son goes to Kindergarten next

year.

As far as being hyper, are you using the TMG with B12 & folic acid?

The vitamins are added specifically to counter hyperactivity. Also,

we find the amount of Mg in SNT to be too low. He gets Mg throughout

the day from Kirkman's Companion Powder and Multi-mineral as well as

extra doses of Mg Glycinate in the evening, plus an epsom salt bath.

My son was always low-tone with hyperactivity meaning he was either

laying down or running around. I think the Mg throughtout the day

(plus the sensory diet that we implemented) have helped him be more

calm and focused.

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Hi Carol,

My name is and my son is 5, too. I can't answer your

question about no enzymes at lunch but I read a suggestion in 's

book about sending in a cup with the enzymes and some powdered drink

mix and giving instructions to just add water and serve with lunch.

That's probably what we'll do when my son goes to Kindergarten next

year.

As far as being hyper, are you using the TMG with B12 & folic acid?

The vitamins are added specifically to counter hyperactivity. Also,

we find the amount of Mg in SNT to be too low. He gets Mg throughout

the day from Kirkman's Companion Powder and Multi-mineral as well as

extra doses of Mg Glycinate in the evening, plus an epsom salt bath.

My son was always low-tone with hyperactivity meaning he was either

laying down or running around. I think the Mg throughtout the day

(plus the sensory diet that we implemented) have helped him be more

calm and focused.

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>>>I have been researching the use of enzymes and started him on AFP

Peptizyde and No-Fenol 3.5 weeks ago. We have seen some

improvements in his eating, happiness, generally listening better

and focusing.

Mega-YEAAAAA!!

>>> He is in daycare and I cannot give it to him at lunch. Will the

enzymes even be effective if I can't give them to him at lunch?

Several of us here send enzymes to school. Are you in need of ideas,

or would you rather just skip this meal of the day? Mixing them in a

drink and adding ice will keep them active until lunchtime. He can

just drink his drink then. Or mixing them in chocolate wafers and

sending those...or in peanut butter balls, or icing balls, etc. My

kids go to the nurse's office and swallow the capsules there.

From the enzymes point of view, they work on each meal or snack at a

time, so they are just as effective (or ineffective) each time.

However, you might see much better improvement if you do give them

at each meal (and possibly snack) particularly in the beginning. My

son was very sensitive to dairy and a 'reaction' manigested as

migraine may last a day or two or three. So if I skipped one meal,

then it would appear to me as though the enzymes were not working at

all. Since you are seeing improvement anyway, it must not be the

same for your son.

> Since starting the enzymes he has been waking up every night and

> getting us up " just to know we're here " . He had been sleeping

> through the night before the enzymes. Any suggestions on getting

> him to sleep through the night again?

1. If you could decrease or possibly skip the dinner dose of No-

Fenol, that might help. Sometimes that happens with NF, particularly

in the beginning. If he is getting any artificial colorings,

flavorings, vitamin A palmitate (check milk), then this can

contribute to the extra awakeness.

2. epsom salts are very calming and help the same pathway that No-

Fenol assists. Here is a link to how to do this:

www.enzymestuff.com/epsomsalts.htm

>> The other question is about hyperactivity. He was hyper before

the enzymes and we have not seen any improvement in the hyperness.

Good cutting the SNT...that often is not necessary or becomes a

problem after starting enzymes. The above ideas for night waking can

also help with hyperness (particularly epsom salts). Please post if

any of these ideas help.

.

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>> Will the enzymes even be effective if I can't give them to

> him at lunch?

Try to give him a " safe " lunch. Or you can provide them to the

daycare, there is an " enzymes at school " file here with info

>

> Since starting the enzymes he has been waking up every night and

> getting us up " just to know we're here " . He had been sleeping

> through the night before the enzymes. Any suggestions on getting

> him to sleep through the night again?

NF can cause this because of yeast die off. You can reduce the amount

of the enzymes you use, see if that helps.

It can also be a reaction to the lunch he is eating without enzymes.

>

> The other question is about hyperactivity. He was hyper before the

> enzymes and we have not seen any improvement in the hyperness. I

> have cut the SNT from 5 tablets a day to 2 and today cut them out

> all together. I have also cut the TMG down. His daycare teacher

> has said he is just running around the room (yesterday a happy

> hyper, today a " being a stinker " hyper). I could really use some

> help in how to calm him down.

If you use NF, increase it. For my kids, they still can't have

artificial colors or nitrates, even with enzymes.

Dana

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My name is and I have a four year old who could be a double for your son.

We also started the DMG and SNT first, then added the enzymes recently. I can

tell you that after such a long stretch of sleeping through the night for our

son, it was a rude awakening literally for us at 1,2, 3am. He was also extremely

hyper after the introduction of each new enzyme formula. The longest lasting

reaction was the most recent one with No-Fenol, almost manic. However, based on

advice I got from the group I stopped the SNT briefly and am using Epsom salt

baths nightly. He's now going to bed about 9pm and falling asleep about 10pm. He

sleeps all the way through the night though. I want to re-introduce the

vitamins, because without them he seems to be less sharp, more social which is

nice, but less sharp. I'm going another couple of days without the vitamins then

I'll re-introduce at about 1/8 tsp. a day and I'll let you know how it goes.

New Here with Questions

Hi! My name is Carol and I have a 5.5 yr old son who is high

functioning AS. I started him on Super Nu Thera (SNT)and TMG last

September and we saw some improvements. I have been researching the

use of enzymes and started him on AFP Peptizyde and No-Fenol 3.5

weeks ago. We have seen some improvements in his eating, happiness,

generally listening better and focusing. I have been giving him 1/2

AFP Pep and 1/2 No-Fenol in the morning and 1 AFP Pep and 1/2 No

Fenol at dinner. He is in daycare and I cannot give it to him at

lunch. Will the enzymes even be effective if I can't give them to

him at lunch?

Since starting the enzymes he has been waking up every night and

getting us up " just to know we're here " . He had been sleeping

through the night before the enzymes. Any suggestions on getting

him to sleep through the night again?

The other question is about hyperactivity. He was hyper before the

enzymes and we have not seen any improvement in the hyperness. I

have cut the SNT from 5 tablets a day to 2 and today cut them out

all together. I have also cut the TMG down. His daycare teacher

has said he is just running around the room (yesterday a happy

hyper, today a " being a stinker " hyper). I could really use some

help in how to calm him down.

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Carol

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>> I want to re-introduce the vitamins, because without them he seems

to be less sharp, more social which is nice, but less sharp. I'm going

another couple of days without the vitamins then I'll re-introduce at

about 1/8 tsp. a day and I'll let you know how it goes.

If your son still has problems with SNT, you can consider trying

hypoallergenic NuThera, some kids who do badly with SNT do better with

that one. But some kids just can't tolerate the high B6/P5P.

Good luck.

Dana

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Thank you so much. We did re-introduce the vitamins and we got some hyperness

and some behavior issues for a couple of days. To be honest though, I'm not sure

that is a bad thing. He does this spitting/tongue thing and he says " no "

repeatedly to requests. But he is only 4. Isn't that normal for 4? I've often

thought in the last two years since he's been on the diet that he's even better

behaved than many NT kids I know. I don't want to hurt him though, he's been

through enough, so I'll happily order the vitamins you suggested and say some

prayers that what I'm doing is right. The wonderful thing about enzymes is that

there is no fear of overdose. We went on our first " real " vacation in a couple

of years and it was great. Although I did pack lots of food that was safe, we

did take him to the Outback one night for dinner. I called ahead and they said

their hamburger was cooked with the steaks, which have seven types of pepper on

them and the fries are cooked in their own vat of vegetable oil. I know there

was some contamination, it can't be helped, unless I'm in my own kitchen. But we

gave him one No-Fenol, one HN and one AFP and he did great. No reaction then or

a day and a half later. To take him into a regular restaurant, I can't tell you

how nice it was. Sorry to ramble. Thank you again for the advice.

Re: New Here with Questions

>> I want to re-introduce the vitamins, because without them he seems

to be less sharp, more social which is nice, but less sharp. I'm going

another couple of days without the vitamins then I'll re-introduce at

about 1/8 tsp. a day and I'll let you know how it goes.

If your son still has problems with SNT, you can consider trying

hypoallergenic NuThera, some kids who do badly with SNT do better with

that one. But some kids just can't tolerate the high B6/P5P.

Good luck.

Dana

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Hi Rhonda,

we are using enzymes in place of the gf/cf diet.Our sons

were around that age when we started and didn't like the milk alternatives

but if you do it gradually and just replace a bit of the cows milk with the

alternative, gradually increasing the amount of alternative and decreasing

the amount of cows milk over a few weeks then they don't know the dif until

it's all done.

One of ours ended up saying it tasted better than cows milk by the time we

were finished!

We started off with just AFP Pep and replaced the gf/cf diet with that alone

but have also found no fenol helpful since.

Just remember everyone is different - some need easing in slowly and

gradually.

good luck

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> Hi! I am new here and I am loaded with questions? Can enzymes be

used

> in place of the gluten free diet?

For many kids yes, others no. Depends on the child and which enzyme/s

you choose.

> is 8 and weighs 40 lbs. I know that it is crazy but how can I take

> away what little is does eat.

You can try ideas from my page here, maybe he will like some of them

http://www.danasview.net/lunch.htm

>> Could someone please explain the use of

> enzymes to little dumb me???

Enzymes digest foods. If your child's problem with foods is based on

improper digestion of the foods, then enzymes which address those food

issues can be used in place of removing the foods. But sometimes the

child's problem is NOT based on digestion issues. And sometimes it is

based on something else [like sugars which feed a yeast problem].

Dana

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Hey ,

My son is a skinny kid, too. He's 11 now - when we started the GFCF

diet over 3 years ago I forget how much he weighed, but he actually

started gaining weight and put on about 10 pounds that first year.

We started enzymes about 3 weeks ago and are seeing great results so

far. You may actually see a weight gain, like we did, when his gut

issues are being helped.

Good luck to you!

Sue

> I have also failed at removing wheat, This child

> is 8 and weighs 40 lbs. I know that it is crazy but how can I take

> away what little is does eat. Could someone please explain the use

of

> enzymes to little dumb me???

>

> Thanks so much,

> Ronda

> Blake (8 PDD/NOS)

> (3 BRAT)

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In terms of the Pro-efa it should be fine as long as you don't heat

it. We put it in Danimals or applesauce.

Every child is different. My son had few words at 3 and is now a

chatty 5 year old. He is doing well in kindergarten but I am on the

lookout for other learning disabilities.

What helped us was intense therapy which actually didn't start until

he was 3 and a special ed pre-school which focused on speech and

language.

It is a tough road, but you will get there. try and use other methods

to communicate in addition to talking, like sign language or PECS

which is a picture exchange system. This will help alleviate

frustration.

GOod luck.

denise

>for those of you who use proefa...i am

> assuming it is ok to put in his drink? it does not dilute itself

and lose strength?

> other questions...my son has no words at the moment...i am

wondering

> what the future holds....do kids with apraxia eventually speak

> normally? are there always speech issues later in life?

> thanks and i am so glad i found this group.

> nancy and scotty in michigan

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Hi and welcome!

To answer your question about the future for apraxic children -it

depends on the following:

Age of diagnosis

Age when therapy began

Severity

Amount and type of therapy (is it appropriate -multisensory-one on

one?)

Willingness/Compliancy of the child to learn/try

Coexisting impairments or disorders, which ones and severity of each of them.

In most cases children with apraxia in the CHERAB group learn about

the importance of appropriate therapy, neurodevelopmental MD

involvement in diagnosis for appropriate treatment, the right

formula/dosage of EFAs -and in comparison to those with apraxia

before CHERAB (as you hear here) the progress is accelerated to

where most here have children that are able to talk and be

understood! We are also concerned about those like 22 year old

who grew up with apraxia years ago -in finding ways to help

all with communication impairments.

As yet there is no cure for apraxia, like stutterers however, an

apraxic child can grow to learn strategies so that they can overcome

the impairment where many won't even notice it. (think Earl

, Bruce Willis and many other famous stutterers that many don't

know are stutterers)

As Earl once said

" Once a stutterer, always a stutterer "

We cover many of the strategies for those that are older with

apraxia in The Late Talker book. Dolan who is a 23 year old

masters student working on her degree for special education is one

who has overcome her apraxia through strategies. She relates to

including those we included in The Late Talker as part of her life.

If you didn't know had apraxia -you would NOT know, believe

me. Then there are those like 22 year old -who in addition to

lingering communication impairments -he has associated learning

disabilities with spelling, writing. It is now documented that the

earlier the better for children to overcome speech and language

impairments. Statistically those that do not overcome the

impairments early are at risk for learning disabilities, depression,

low self esteem, etc.

Now for the 'easy' answer -how to get EFAs into a preschool child

(and yes you can mix in food or drink -just don't cook with it

because it changes the composisition of the oils)

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Fri Aug 15, 2003 12:29 pm

Subject: Re: EFAs - how do you get kids to take them?

Hi Laurie!

The small things you are seeing so far are great signs! Do try the

formula most of us find the best when you can and let us know -it's

not subtle changes believe me! EFAs work -it's time for a " pufa

patch " that

can be covered by insurance already!

I like Tricia's response of the pretend gum -but that may work only

for kids that are a bit older? Below is cut and paste from:

http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efatips.html

http://www.speech-express.com/alternative-therapy/efa-tips.html

which are suggestions from the ages of before three to five which

worked for us. We still give Tanner his EFAs on a spoon. Sometimes

now he can swallow the capsules -but like anything with apraxia -

sometimes he can't. What's so cool however is now he actually asks

for it -both my children do!

" My 5 year old apraxic son Tanner is a trooper and takes the ProEFA

from a spoon every day. I hold his nose for him, but he doesn't mind

the taste. We started the holding the nose thing when Tanner used to

take the efalex, which is very fishy smelling and tasting, and it's

kind of our ritual now.

I rip only half of the protective waxy seal off the top of the

ProEFA bottle, and put a pin in the part that is left. When it's

time to give Tanner his ProEFA, I open the top of the bottle, pull

out the pin, put a hole in the capsule, put back the pin, and

squeeze the oil onto a spoon.

Here are some other things we used to have to do when Tanner took

the efalex which he hated. (Efalex is fishier tasting and smelling)

1. We would put just put a drop of fish oil in the middle of the

bread for a sandwich and cover with peanut butter, a drop in the

middle of a pancake, a drop in the middle of a bowl of spaghetti,

etc. if we put too much fish oil, Tanner would not eat the food.

2. Glenn and Tanner and Dakota would each hold a cup filled with a

dash of juice. Tanner's juice was always " spiked " with efalex.

Tanner is very competitive and would love a good race. " Ready set

Go! " and Glenn would hold the cup to his mouth without drinking and

then stop and have all three compare who drank the most. Of course,

Tanner was winning! They would keep doing this until Tanner won

(which meant he finished the efalex fish oil spiked juice)

3. I used to bribe Tanner with gummy bears that he could have after.

Didn't work as good as the first two. But for a long time we did a

combination of number one and number three.

4. Tanner's older brother started taking the fish oil, and Tanner

wants to do what Dakota does.

5. As Tanner got older, at about four, we started calling the fish

oil " yucky magic fish oil which helps you talk " and we really made a

big deal about how yucky it was, and would " show off " to people how

Tanner could take this yucky stuff and eat it right off the spoon.

It worked for Tanner!

It was lots of work, but well worth the results. If your child will

not take ProEFA, maybe buy some efalex and try that. Compared to

efalex, a sock would probably be a treat!

Again, some EFAs are liked by some children; and hated by others.

With ProEFA - many kids from the Cherab Foundation group will just

eat it from a spoon, or chew the capsule, since borage oil is

naturally sweet. I can say that ProEFA does not smell like some of

the other EFAs we've used. After a year and a half of Tanner hiding

behind the couch when it was time to take other fish oils, this was

amazing, even without all the great breakthroughs he's had!

The improvements when on the right supplement and the regressions on

the wrong one are pretty quick - within weeks in most cases - so

again you can see for yourself: like most of us did already! "

There is also an entire chapter on this ( 8 )

http://www.speech-express.com/late.talker.html

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: I am just reading the weekend posts now, and don't even know

where to start in responding to you, except that you sound so much

like me, when my son was just starting out with therapy and new

diagnosis.

My son was diagnosed with verbal apraxia at 25 months old, started

therapy at 26 months with sign language. He really had no words that

were totally clear. He was very social but shy around others, and it

took him a long time to warm up to his speech therapists. He sat on

my lap almost the whole time, and I remember how long it took just to

get him to say a sound! Later, we found out that he loved movement,

and jumping on the trampoline, swinging, etc...while practicing

speech turned out to be the right combination. And, I remember

asking EVERY therapist, EVERY doctor and professional..... " will he

ever talk? "

Fast forward to today, he is 3.7 years old and we cannot stop him

from talking. Non stop talking. Sentences, requests, feelings, you

name it, he says it. He tells me when he is hungry, when he is

scared, when he is getting tired or wants to be done with dinner.

His latest is that he protests everything I try to get him to wear,

and tells me he doesn't want to wear the shirt with the G.A.P. on

it. And just last night, when we were getting out the Halloween

decorations, he saw the " monsters " we use in the trees and told

me, " monsters scare me, dont let them come into our house " .

, I honestly feel that many things played a role in his

improvements, but mostly the Pro-EFA's!! We started with one capsule

in his juice in the morning or night (whenever it was convenient to

me), and it took about 5-6 weeks before we heard new words. It was

around Christmas time, when was 2.10 years old that phrases

came and it snowballed from there. We started giving him the second

capsule during the day on August 1st....and that has been really

exciting. I know of other parents on this list who have also seen

great improvements with the addition of the 2nd capsule.

Other things we did....constantly talked around him, and his 2 older

sisters are like mini-SLP's. We worked on Kaufman cards, software,

jumping, swimming, etc. Somehow, they all worked together.

We have a long way to go. Even though he is talking all the time,

articulation is a big issue as well as other behavioral ones that we

are working on. When he started talking, I was so thrilled that I

over-looked that I was creating a little brat before my eyes. I gave

him everything he asked for (not literally), but now that I say NO to

him, he doesn't understand.

Good luck, try the EFA's and other therapies, dont be afraid to try

new things, be creative and keep up with this group for inspiration!

Kim in Illinois

> hello,

> my 28m son has been diagnoised with apraxia. right now he is in

> early intervention two days a week, this is a group therapy

> arrangement where it is for ALL kids that need ei, not just speech.

>

> we are also starting private therapy with someone who specializes

in

> apraxia. this will be once a week as that is all the openings she

> has.

> i have done tons of research in the past week, but obviously need

to

> do a lot more.

> my questions to start....for those of you who use proefa...i am

> assuming it is ok to put in his drink? it does not dilute itself

and

> lose strength?

> other questions...my son has no words at the moment...i am

wondering

> what the future holds....do kids with apraxia eventually speak

> normally? are there always speech issues later in life?

> thanks and i am so glad i found this group.

> nancy and scotty in michigan

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You might start with ¹s website:

http://www.enzymestuff.com/

I started with Peptizyde to challenge the GF/CF diet, then added the broad

spectrum enzyme Zyme Prime.

NoFenol works well with antifungals. I also use probiotics in addition to

our enzyme routine.

Serena

On 11/11/03 2:58 PM, " cutelovelykiddo " <cutelovelykiddo@...> wrote:

> Hi everyone,

> I am a new member of this group and a mother for a wonderful 5 yr

> old kid with ASD . .Ihave put my son on a cf ,yeast free soy free diet

> for the last couple of months and from last week onwards i have made

> him gf as well .Now i am thinking about starting enzymes and still

> continue the diet .I am lookig for a protease and a broad spectrum

> enzyme. My question is which one should i start with ? should i start

> with protease and then go to a broadspectrum one or viceversa. Also my

> son has severe yeast issues so if i want try some thing like Nophenol

> should i try it after trying antifungals and probiotics or even

> without antifungals and probiotics try nophenol and get ressults.pls

> advice

> ss

>

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In a message dated 3/29/2004 2:29:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,

dancingurl75@... writes:

> My name is Liz, Ive been on lexapro for a few months now (20 mgs)and

> before I was

> on Prozac 20 mgs. I thought 20 mgs was the lowest dosage for prozac

> and I just

> realized it is NOT the lowest for lexapro. I just hope im not on too

> high of a dosage.

> Does anyone else have any input on this?

>

> I also have fibromyalgia and my pain management dr. changed

> me from

> prozac to

> this

Hi Liz:

I also have CFS... chronic fatigue syndrome... amongst a myriad of other

problems and take 35 mgs of lexapro.

20 mgs is not too high a dose. Some docs I know go as high as 60 mgs, although

that is usually for other problems like ocd.I felt no benefit at 10 mgs,

although many others do. It is all trial and error. I used to be extremely

medication sensitive and could not tolerate medications. That, for some unknown

reason has changed as my CFS has changed. When they first came out with lexapro

NO ONE really knew what was a " high " dose. Now more is known

good luck

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Liza, Hi. I am so sorry to hear that you might be dealing with fused

sutures. I too had a scare but after a long story and what I gather

from 2 neuros we are dealing with positional plagio. I want to let

you know about another website that is really really great when it

comes to the fusion of sutures. It's www. cappskids.org---If it does

end up being fused then they will be a huge support to you with your

worries and questions. Good Luck.

--- In Plagiocephaly , " loulou879 " <loulou879@y...>

wrote:

> I am so worried right now - I am so glad I found this group. My son

> was born with what looked like a normal head. After one week I

> noticed a prominent ridge above his forehead and the doctors said he

> has overlapping sutures and not to worry. After another week I

> noticed his head becoming flat on the right side and more

overlapping

> sutures in the back. I ran to the doctor again and they said he is

> fine.

>

> I decided to take him to a neurosurgeon because I was so worried

that

> it could be something serious. I was there on Thursday and the

> neurosurgeon said that he has mild plagio and that he " could " have

> fused sagittal sutures. He said we will be approaching this with

> " waitful watching " . I go back in one month to know for sure because

> if it is indeed cranio my sons head will start to grow more in the

> back. The doctor was concerned with his narrow head. He didn't

seem

> too concerned with the flatness just yet so I want to try to

position

> him to help it round out.

>

> I am so worried that I can't sleep. How can I go a month worrying

> like this? What are the chances that it could be cranio? I don't

> understand why he can't tell now if it is fused. Why do we have to

> wait a month? I called my pediatrician again to tell them about the

> visit to the surgeon. He wanted to see my son again - he still

thinks

> his head is fine.

>

> I am trying to be positive about this but it's hard. Have you seen

> good results with repositioning? I think I some improvement since I

> have kept him off the flat side - It seems like the ear that was

> slightly pushed forward looks somewhat better. Is this possible?

> Sorry if I seem a little crazy but I am really scared that this

could

> be serious. Thank you for reading my story. Please pray for me

that

> my son will be ok. He's 8 weeks now. Liza

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Liza, Hi. I am so sorry to hear that you might be dealing with fused

sutures. I too had a scare but after a long story and what I gather

from 2 neuros we are dealing with positional plagio. I want to let

you know about another website that is really really great when it

comes to the fusion of sutures. It's www. cappskids.org---If it does

end up being fused then they will be a huge support to you with your

worries and questions. Good Luck.

--- In Plagiocephaly , " loulou879 " <loulou879@y...>

wrote:

> I am so worried right now - I am so glad I found this group. My son

> was born with what looked like a normal head. After one week I

> noticed a prominent ridge above his forehead and the doctors said he

> has overlapping sutures and not to worry. After another week I

> noticed his head becoming flat on the right side and more

overlapping

> sutures in the back. I ran to the doctor again and they said he is

> fine.

>

> I decided to take him to a neurosurgeon because I was so worried

that

> it could be something serious. I was there on Thursday and the

> neurosurgeon said that he has mild plagio and that he " could " have

> fused sagittal sutures. He said we will be approaching this with

> " waitful watching " . I go back in one month to know for sure because

> if it is indeed cranio my sons head will start to grow more in the

> back. The doctor was concerned with his narrow head. He didn't

seem

> too concerned with the flatness just yet so I want to try to

position

> him to help it round out.

>

> I am so worried that I can't sleep. How can I go a month worrying

> like this? What are the chances that it could be cranio? I don't

> understand why he can't tell now if it is fused. Why do we have to

> wait a month? I called my pediatrician again to tell them about the

> visit to the surgeon. He wanted to see my son again - he still

thinks

> his head is fine.

>

> I am trying to be positive about this but it's hard. Have you seen

> good results with repositioning? I think I some improvement since I

> have kept him off the flat side - It seems like the ear that was

> slightly pushed forward looks somewhat better. Is this possible?

> Sorry if I seem a little crazy but I am really scared that this

could

> be serious. Thank you for reading my story. Please pray for me

that

> my son will be ok. He's 8 weeks now. Liza

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Thank you, Carol for the support. I'll keep reading and updating.

Hopefully, we will know more on June 8th when he goes back to the

neurosurgeon. I am thinking about going to another surgeon but this

NYU doctor is supposed to be the best and very aggressive. Thanks

again. Liza

> > I am so worried right now - I am so glad I found this group. My son

> > was born with what looked like a normal head. After one week I

> > noticed a prominent ridge above his forehead and the doctors said he

> > has overlapping sutures and not to worry. After another week I

> > noticed his head becoming flat on the right side and more

> overlapping

> > sutures in the back. I ran to the doctor again and they said he is

> > fine.

> >

> > I decided to take him to a neurosurgeon because I was so worried

> that

> > it could be something serious. I was there on Thursday and the

> > neurosurgeon said that he has mild plagio and that he " could " have

> > fused sagittal sutures. He said we will be approaching this with

> > " waitful watching " . I go back in one month to know for sure because

> > if it is indeed cranio my sons head will start to grow more in the

> > back. The doctor was concerned with his narrow head. He didn't

> seem

> > too concerned with the flatness just yet so I want to try to

> position

> > him to help it round out.

> >

> > I am so worried that I can't sleep. How can I go a month worrying

> > like this? What are the chances that it could be cranio? I don't

> > understand why he can't tell now if it is fused. Why do we have to

> > wait a month? I called my pediatrician again to tell them about the

> > visit to the surgeon. He wanted to see my son again - he still

> thinks

> > his head is fine.

> >

> > I am trying to be positive about this but it's hard. Have you seen

> > good results with repositioning? I think I some improvement since I

> > have kept him off the flat side - It seems like the ear that was

> > slightly pushed forward looks somewhat better. Is this possible?

> > Sorry if I seem a little crazy but I am really scared that this

> could

> > be serious. Thank you for reading my story. Please pray for me

> that

> > my son will be ok. He's 8 weeks now. Liza

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Thank you, Carol for the support. I'll keep reading and updating.

Hopefully, we will know more on June 8th when he goes back to the

neurosurgeon. I am thinking about going to another surgeon but this

NYU doctor is supposed to be the best and very aggressive. Thanks

again. Liza

> > I am so worried right now - I am so glad I found this group. My son

> > was born with what looked like a normal head. After one week I

> > noticed a prominent ridge above his forehead and the doctors said he

> > has overlapping sutures and not to worry. After another week I

> > noticed his head becoming flat on the right side and more

> overlapping

> > sutures in the back. I ran to the doctor again and they said he is

> > fine.

> >

> > I decided to take him to a neurosurgeon because I was so worried

> that

> > it could be something serious. I was there on Thursday and the

> > neurosurgeon said that he has mild plagio and that he " could " have

> > fused sagittal sutures. He said we will be approaching this with

> > " waitful watching " . I go back in one month to know for sure because

> > if it is indeed cranio my sons head will start to grow more in the

> > back. The doctor was concerned with his narrow head. He didn't

> seem

> > too concerned with the flatness just yet so I want to try to

> position

> > him to help it round out.

> >

> > I am so worried that I can't sleep. How can I go a month worrying

> > like this? What are the chances that it could be cranio? I don't

> > understand why he can't tell now if it is fused. Why do we have to

> > wait a month? I called my pediatrician again to tell them about the

> > visit to the surgeon. He wanted to see my son again - he still

> thinks

> > his head is fine.

> >

> > I am trying to be positive about this but it's hard. Have you seen

> > good results with repositioning? I think I some improvement since I

> > have kept him off the flat side - It seems like the ear that was

> > slightly pushed forward looks somewhat better. Is this possible?

> > Sorry if I seem a little crazy but I am really scared that this

> could

> > be serious. Thank you for reading my story. Please pray for me

> that

> > my son will be ok. He's 8 weeks now. Liza

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Hi - Thank you for the link - hopefully it won't be that but

I'll know more in a month. I'll update. thanks again. Liza

> > I am so worried right now - I am so glad I found this group. My son

> > was born with what looked like a normal head. After one week I

> > noticed a prominent ridge above his forehead and the doctors said he

> > has overlapping sutures and not to worry. After another week I

> > noticed his head becoming flat on the right side and more

> overlapping

> > sutures in the back. I ran to the doctor again and they said he is

> > fine.

> >

> > I decided to take him to a neurosurgeon because I was so worried

> that

> > it could be something serious. I was there on Thursday and the

> > neurosurgeon said that he has mild plagio and that he " could " have

> > fused sagittal sutures. He said we will be approaching this with

> > " waitful watching " . I go back in one month to know for sure because

> > if it is indeed cranio my sons head will start to grow more in the

> > back. The doctor was concerned with his narrow head. He didn't

> seem

> > too concerned with the flatness just yet so I want to try to

> position

> > him to help it round out.

> >

> > I am so worried that I can't sleep. How can I go a month worrying

> > like this? What are the chances that it could be cranio? I don't

> > understand why he can't tell now if it is fused. Why do we have to

> > wait a month? I called my pediatrician again to tell them about the

> > visit to the surgeon. He wanted to see my son again - he still

> thinks

> > his head is fine.

> >

> > I am trying to be positive about this but it's hard. Have you seen

> > good results with repositioning? I think I some improvement since I

> > have kept him off the flat side - It seems like the ear that was

> > slightly pushed forward looks somewhat better. Is this possible?

> > Sorry if I seem a little crazy but I am really scared that this

> could

> > be serious. Thank you for reading my story. Please pray for me

> that

> > my son will be ok. He's 8 weeks now. Liza

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Hi - Thank you for the link - hopefully it won't be that but

I'll know more in a month. I'll update. thanks again. Liza

> > I am so worried right now - I am so glad I found this group. My son

> > was born with what looked like a normal head. After one week I

> > noticed a prominent ridge above his forehead and the doctors said he

> > has overlapping sutures and not to worry. After another week I

> > noticed his head becoming flat on the right side and more

> overlapping

> > sutures in the back. I ran to the doctor again and they said he is

> > fine.

> >

> > I decided to take him to a neurosurgeon because I was so worried

> that

> > it could be something serious. I was there on Thursday and the

> > neurosurgeon said that he has mild plagio and that he " could " have

> > fused sagittal sutures. He said we will be approaching this with

> > " waitful watching " . I go back in one month to know for sure because

> > if it is indeed cranio my sons head will start to grow more in the

> > back. The doctor was concerned with his narrow head. He didn't

> seem

> > too concerned with the flatness just yet so I want to try to

> position

> > him to help it round out.

> >

> > I am so worried that I can't sleep. How can I go a month worrying

> > like this? What are the chances that it could be cranio? I don't

> > understand why he can't tell now if it is fused. Why do we have to

> > wait a month? I called my pediatrician again to tell them about the

> > visit to the surgeon. He wanted to see my son again - he still

> thinks

> > his head is fine.

> >

> > I am trying to be positive about this but it's hard. Have you seen

> > good results with repositioning? I think I some improvement since I

> > have kept him off the flat side - It seems like the ear that was

> > slightly pushed forward looks somewhat better. Is this possible?

> > Sorry if I seem a little crazy but I am really scared that this

> could

> > be serious. Thank you for reading my story. Please pray for me

> that

> > my son will be ok. He's 8 weeks now. Liza

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Liza,

I think your best bet would be to ask the neurosurgeon to order a CT

scan. That will tell him definitely if he has cranio or not. You and

your son will be in my prayers. Please keep us posted.

--- In Plagiocephaly , " loulou879 " <loulou879@y...>

wrote:

> I am so worried right now - I am so glad I found this group. My son

> was born with what looked like a normal head. After one week I

> noticed a prominent ridge above his forehead and the doctors said he

> has overlapping sutures and not to worry. After another week I

> noticed his head becoming flat on the right side and more

overlapping

> sutures in the back. I ran to the doctor again and they said he is

> fine.

>

> I decided to take him to a neurosurgeon because I was so worried

that

> it could be something serious. I was there on Thursday and the

> neurosurgeon said that he has mild plagio and that he " could " have

> fused sagittal sutures. He said we will be approaching this with

> " waitful watching " . I go back in one month to know for sure because

> if it is indeed cranio my sons head will start to grow more in the

> back. The doctor was concerned with his narrow head. He didn't

seem

> too concerned with the flatness just yet so I want to try to

position

> him to help it round out.

>

> I am so worried that I can't sleep. How can I go a month worrying

> like this? What are the chances that it could be cranio? I don't

> understand why he can't tell now if it is fused. Why do we have to

> wait a month? I called my pediatrician again to tell them about the

> visit to the surgeon. He wanted to see my son again - he still

thinks

> his head is fine.

>

> I am trying to be positive about this but it's hard. Have you seen

> good results with repositioning? I think I some improvement since I

> have kept him off the flat side - It seems like the ear that was

> slightly pushed forward looks somewhat better. Is this possible?

> Sorry if I seem a little crazy but I am really scared that this

could

> be serious. Thank you for reading my story. Please pray for me

that

> my son will be ok. He's 8 weeks now. Liza

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