Re: OT: strained for some things to be thankful for and came up with a few

[Guest guest]

anacat,

So sorry for the loss of your father and uncle. Thank you for sharing

this information about their flu shot history and subsequent health

problems. I hope you will fulfill your father's dying wish- get

involved as much as you can in the seeking of justice and effecting

policy changes. We need as many parent advocates as we can get. And I

know you'd be a great one.

>

> My father died a few weeks ago, on my twins' birthday, after

suffering

> from an ALS-like condition he'd developed after nine years of flu

> shots. He'd also developed a malignant heart rhythm often

associated

> with mercury exposure from fish. He stopped getting the shots but

the

> dye was cast, so to speak. He died knowing what had been done to

him

> and to my kids and encouraging us to seek justice and get involved

in

> changing policy.

>

> My maternal uncle died just fourteen days before my dad, after

years

> and years of travel shots as well as flu shots. Though cancer

> didn't " run " in the family and though he had what most people think

is

> the " best " medical care in the world, he died from a form of cancer

> most men don't die of. A lot of safer vaccine advocates might be

> familiar with the studies linking rapidly spreading cancers to

certain

> vaccine toxins. My uncle had some tell-tale markers for weak

> mitochondrial system (high IQ, severe childhood illnesses,

dyslexia)

> and his son, a totally NT professional, has a form of " iron

efflux " . My

> uncle had been researching chelation before he died and encouraged

us

> to pursue it for the kids.

>

> Both my father and uncle fell ill just weeks after my twins'

nauseating

> diagnoses two years ago. We got the news on both just a day after

our

> cat died from melamine in cat food. My mother lost a husband, a

brother

> and half-lost two grandchildren in a short space of time. At least

we

> can try to bring her grandchildren back.

>

> So though I'm actually cooking a wonderful meal right now, spent

time

> talking to family and friends and making the best of it, I don't

really

> unplug from all of this because I can't make it go away. I can just

> stick close to communities, pals and forums populated by those who

know

> what it's like. But I don't feel that we're " unlucky " .

>

> There's food on our table for one. My kids aren't dead, for

another.

> That was just an injection away for some families and I can't

forget

> it. And there are some eery little happenings over the years that

make

> me feel like " luck " isn't against us. My husband was on a business

trip

> a few months ago and his firm had put him up at the Taj Mahal

hotel.

> He'd had met with clients at one of the other locations which was

> stormed. 119 or more people-- I'm sure innocent bystanders,

probably

> with families, probably many with struggling families-- died in

these

> recent attacks and my husband wasn't among them.

>

> The reason I was wiping my brow and saying " phew " is because, for

> obvious reasons, I've felt like my family's been hit with every

other

> lousy statistical risk. But thinking back, not really. I didn't

rent

> that loft on Church St. in Manhattan a few blocks from the World

Trade

> Center and decided to move to L.A. instead just a short time before

the

> first attack. I missed the L.A. riots, instead landing just before

the

> big earthquake, but didn't happen to be in the hills when it hit.

When

> we decided to leave L.A., my husband put off his job interview in

> Boston by a few days, so he wasn't on the flight from Boston to

L.A. on

> 9/11/01 as he would have been.

>

> I knock wood compulsively (doing it right now), but it occured to

me

> that the stuff we've been hit with has been the statistically more

> probable things. This means that for every family with actual

awareness

> of what happened to them, there's hundreds and even thousands who

have

> no idea. They just feel unlucky, not understanding that

deregulation

> and greed had everything to do with it and " luck " not a whole lot.

>

> Sorry to be such a bummer but I hope G. and Offit both get

the

> short ends of the wishbone this year. Their lousy luck (career

> setbacks?) in the coming years might mean good luck for us. The

things

> I'm thankful for lately are all the changes that are happening in

> politics and as a result of activism (thanks folks) and then the

things

> we've been spared. Here's hoping we all have more to be thankful

for

> next year at this time.

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the kind words. Most of our older generations just

cares about the welfare of kids, not themselves but our gen has to

look out for all concerned.

> >

> > My father died a few weeks ago, on my twins' birthday, after

> suffering

> > from an ALS-like condition he'd developed after nine years of flu

> > shots. He'd also developed a malignant heart rhythm often

> associated

[Guest guest]

Ana,

I'm so sorry to hear about your Dad and uncle. Not that there is any

good time to loose loved ones, but happening aroung the Holidays

makes it much harder. My thoughts and my prayers are with you and

your family.

Peggy

>

> My father died a few weeks ago, on my twins' birthday, after

suffering

> from an ALS-like condition he'd developed after nine years of flu

> shots. He'd also developed a malignant heart rhythm often

associated

> with mercury exposure from fish. He stopped getting the shots but

the

> dye was cast, so to speak. He died knowing what had been done to

him

> and to my kids and encouraging us to seek justice and get involved

in

> changing policy.

>

> My maternal uncle died just fourteen days before my dad, after

years

> and years of travel shots as well as flu shots. Though cancer

> didn't " run " in the family and though he had what most people think

is

> the " best " medical care in the world, he died from a form of cancer

> most men don't die of. A lot of safer vaccine advocates might be

> familiar with the studies linking rapidly spreading cancers to

certain

> vaccine toxins. My uncle had some tell-tale markers for weak

> mitochondrial system (high IQ, severe childhood illnesses,

dyslexia)

> and his son, a totally NT professional, has a form of " iron

efflux " . My

> uncle had been researching chelation before he died and encouraged

us

> to pursue it for the kids.

>

> Both my father and uncle fell ill just weeks after my twins'

nauseating

> diagnoses two years ago. We got the news on both just a day after

our

> cat died from melamine in cat food. My mother lost a husband, a

brother

> and half-lost two grandchildren in a short space of time. At least

we

> can try to bring her grandchildren back.

>

> So though I'm actually cooking a wonderful meal right now, spent

time

> talking to family and friends and making the best of it, I don't

really

> unplug from all of this because I can't make it go away. I can just

> stick close to communities, pals and forums populated by those who

know

> what it's like. But I don't feel that we're " unlucky " .

>

> There's food on our table for one. My kids aren't dead, for

another.

> That was just an injection away for some families and I can't

forget

> it. And there are some eery little happenings over the years that

make

> me feel like " luck " isn't against us. My husband was on a business

trip

> a few months ago and his firm had put him up at the Taj Mahal

hotel.

> He'd had met with clients at one of the other locations which was

> stormed. 119 or more people-- I'm sure innocent bystanders,

probably

> with families, probably many with struggling families-- died in

these

> recent attacks and my husband wasn't among them.

>

> The reason I was wiping my brow and saying " phew " is because, for

> obvious reasons, I've felt like my family's been hit with every

other

> lousy statistical risk. But thinking back, not really. I didn't

rent

> that loft on Church St. in Manhattan a few blocks from the World

Trade

> Center and decided to move to L.A. instead just a short time before

the

> first attack. I missed the L.A. riots, instead landing just before

the

> big earthquake, but didn't happen to be in the hills when it hit.

When

> we decided to leave L.A., my husband put off his job interview in

> Boston by a few days, so he wasn't on the flight from Boston to

L.A. on

> 9/11/01 as he would have been.

>

> I knock wood compulsively (doing it right now), but it occured to

me

> that the stuff we've been hit with has been the statistically more

> probable things. This means that for every family with actual

awareness

> of what happened to them, there's hundreds and even thousands who

have

> no idea. They just feel unlucky, not understanding that

deregulation

> and greed had everything to do with it and " luck " not a whole lot.

>

> Sorry to be such a bummer but I hope G. and Offit both get

the

> short ends of the wishbone this year. Their lousy luck (career

> setbacks?) in the coming years might mean good luck for us. The

things

> I'm thankful for lately are all the changes that are happening in

> politics and as a result of activism (thanks folks) and then the

things

> we've been spared. Here's hoping we all have more to be thankful

for

> next year at this time.

>

[Guest guest]

--

I am so sorry to hear of your families hardships and for your loss. -

In EOHarm , " anacat_11 " wrote:

>

> My father died a few weeks ago, on my twins' birthday, after

suffering

> from an ALS-like condition he'd developed after nine years of flu

> shots. He'd also developed a malignant heart rhythm often

associated

> with mercury exposure from fish. He stopped getting the shots but

the

> dye was cast, so to speak. He died knowing what had been done to

him

> and to my kids and encouraging us to seek justice and get involved

in

> changing policy.

>

> My maternal uncle died just fourteen days before my dad, after

years

> and years of travel shots as well as flu shots. Though cancer

> didn't " run " in the family and though he had what most people think

is

> the " best " medical care in the world, he died from a form of cancer

> most men don't die of. A lot of safer vaccine advocates might be

> familiar with the studies linking rapidly spreading cancers to

certain

> vaccine toxins. My uncle had some tell-tale markers for weak

> mitochondrial system (high IQ, severe childhood illnesses,

dyslexia)

> and his son, a totally NT professional, has a form of " iron

efflux " . My

> uncle had been researching chelation before he died and encouraged

us

> to pursue it for the kids.

>

> Both my father and uncle fell ill just weeks after my twins'

nauseating

> diagnoses two years ago. We got the news on both just a day after

our

> cat died from melamine in cat food. My mother lost a husband, a

brother

> and half-lost two grandchildren in a short space of time. At least

we

> can try to bring her grandchildren back.

>

> So though I'm actually cooking a wonderful meal right now, spent

time

> talking to family and friends and making the best of it, I don't

really

> unplug from all of this because I can't make it go away. I can just

> stick close to communities, pals and forums populated by those who

know

> what it's like. But I don't feel that we're " unlucky " .

>

> There's food on our table for one. My kids aren't dead, for

another.

> That was just an injection away for some families and I can't

forget

> it. And there are some eery little happenings over the years that

make

> me feel like " luck " isn't against us. My husband was on a business

trip

> a few months ago and his firm had put him up at the Taj Mahal

hotel.

> He'd had met with clients at one of the other locations which was

> stormed. 119 or more people-- I'm sure innocent bystanders,

probably

> with families, probably many with struggling families-- died in

these

> recent attacks and my husband wasn't among them.

>

> The reason I was wiping my brow and saying " phew " is because, for

> obvious reasons, I've felt like my family's been hit with every

other

> lousy statistical risk. But thinking back, not really. I didn't

rent

> that loft on Church St. in Manhattan a few blocks from the World

Trade

> Center and decided to move to L.A. instead just a short time before

the

> first attack. I missed the L.A. riots, instead landing just before

the

> big earthquake, but didn't happen to be in the hills when it hit.

When

> we decided to leave L.A., my husband put off his job interview in

> Boston by a few days, so he wasn't on the flight from Boston to

L.A. on

> 9/11/01 as he would have been.

>

> I knock wood compulsively (doing it right now), but it occured to

me

> that the stuff we've been hit with has been the statistically more

> probable things. This means that for every family with actual

awareness

> of what happened to them, there's hundreds and even thousands who

have

> no idea. They just feel unlucky, not understanding that

deregulation

> and greed had everything to do with it and " luck " not a whole lot.

>

> Sorry to be such a bummer but I hope G. and Offit both get

the

> short ends of the wishbone this year. Their lousy luck (career

> setbacks?) in the coming years might mean good luck for us. The

things

> I'm thankful for lately are all the changes that are happening in

> politics and as a result of activism (thanks folks) and then the

things

> we've been spared. Here's hoping we all have more to be thankful

for

> next year at this time.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Peggy and Sammy.

> >

> > My father died a few weeks ago, on my twins' birthday, after

> suffering

> > from an ALS-like condition he'd developed after nine years of flu

> > shots. He'd also developed a malignant heart rhythm often

> associated

> > with mercury exposure from fish. He stopped getting the shots but

> the

> > dye was cast, so to speak. He died knowing what had been done to

> him

> > and to my kids and encouraging us to seek justice and get

involved

> in

> > changing policy.

>

[Guest guest]

Anacat,

I hope you and your family had a nice thanksgiving despite all that is going on. Our family has a similar tale. My husband was in NYC just a week before September 11, and visited the world trade center with his high school football team he coaches. 4 years ago my MIL died, at age 63, just a few months after Austin was dx. If I knew then all I know now about immune issues she may have had a much better and longer life. My best friends dad, who is like my second dad, just returned from Thailand and was supposed to be retiring there, but it did not work out.

My husband (age 39) had the flu 3 weeks ago and after taking his blood pressure medicine that had a diuretic in it, sent himself in to kidney and liver failure. He was on the floor of our house from 7:30 am when he woke up and fell over until 4 pm, when our 19 year old came home (when she was supposed to be out all day and I was out of town). Had Ash not come home he would have sent his heart into a major heart attack within minutes to an hour and probably died because I was not supposed to be home until tuesday and it was only the 19 year old and him home and she is never home.

After 5 days in the hospital trying to figure out why his blood pressure would not regulate even though everything was going well with the kidney and livers, they decided to do an angigram and found that his left heart artery was 90% blocked and another one was 55% blocked, he had a triple by pass 2 weeks ago this coming Monday. Had the flu stuff not happened (aren't we lucky to be flu shot free :-D) he probably would have had a massive heart attack with in 6 months and died instantly because the 90% blocked artery feeds 2/3 of your heart. He luckily came home last Saturday and was able to spend Thanksgiving with us.

While the world around us is falling apart, its good to know we all can still find things to be thankful for. I too wish and paul the short end of something, lol ;-)

Primer who lives in Oceanside but is in Carlsbad Unified School District

~All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -- Arthur Schopenhauer

~Well-behaved women seldom make history~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

>> My father died a few weeks ago, on my twins' birthday, after suffering > from an ALS-like condition he'd developed after nine years of flu > shots. He'd also developed a malignant heart rhythm often associated > with mercury exposure from fish. He stopped getting the shots but the > dye was cast, so to speak. He died knowing what had been done to him > and to my kids and encouraging us to seek justice and get involved in > changing policy. > > My maternal uncle died just fourteen days before my dad, after years > and years of travel shots as well as flu shots. Though cancer > didn't "run" in the family and though he had what most people think is

> the "best" medical care in the world, he died from a form of cancer > most men don't die of. A lot of safer vaccine advocates might be > familiar with the studies linking rapidly spreading cancers to certain > vaccine toxins. My uncle had some tell-tale markers for weak > mitochondrial system (high IQ, severe childhood illnesses, dyslexia) > and his son, a totally NT professional, has a form of "iron efflux". My > uncle had been researching chelation before he died and encouraged us > to pursue it for the kids. > > Both my father and uncle fell ill just weeks after my twins' nauseating > diagnoses two years ago. We got the news on both just a day after our > cat died from melamine in cat food. My mother lost a husband, a brother > and half-lost two grandchildren in a short space of time. At least we > can try to bring her

grandchildren back. > > So though I'm actually cooking a wonderful meal right now, spent time > talking to family and friends and making the best of it, I don't really > unplug from all of this because I can't make it go away. I can just > stick close to communities, pals and forums populated by those who know > what it's like. But I don't feel that we're "unlucky". > > There's food on our table for one. My kids aren't dead, for another. > That was just an injection away for some families and I can't forget > it. And there are some eery little happenings over the years that make > me feel like "luck" isn't against us. My husband was on a business trip > a few months ago and his firm had put him up at the Taj Mahal hotel. > He'd had met with clients at one of the other locations which was > stormed. 119 or more people-- I'm

sure innocent bystanders, probably > with families, probably many with struggling families-- died in these > recent attacks and my husband wasn't among them. > > The reason I was wiping my brow and saying "phew" is because, for > obvious reasons, I've felt like my family's been hit with every other > lousy statistical risk. But thinking back, not really. I didn't rent > that loft on Church St. in Manhattan a few blocks from the World Trade > Center and decided to move to L.A. instead just a short time before the > first attack. I missed the L.A. riots, instead landing just before the > big earthquake, but didn't happen to be in the hills when it hit. When > we decided to leave L.A., my husband put off his job interview in > Boston by a few days, so he wasn't on the flight from Boston to L.A. on > 9/11/01 as he would have been.

> > I knock wood compulsively (doing it right now), but it occured to me > that the stuff we've been hit with has been the statistically more > probable things. This means that for every family with actual awareness > of what happened to them, there's hundreds and even thousands who have > no idea. They just feel unlucky, not understanding that deregulation > and greed had everything to do with it and "luck" not a whole lot. > > Sorry to be such a bummer but I hope G. and Offit both get the > short ends of the wishbone this year. Their lousy luck (career > setbacks?) in the coming years might mean good luck for us. The things > I'm thankful for lately are all the changes that are happening in > politics and as a result of activism (thanks folks) and then the things > we've been spared. Here's hoping we all have more to be

thankful for > next year at this time.>

[Guest guest]

-- thank you for the kind words.

Your story is quite extraordinary and I'm very glad to hear your

husband was home for the holidays. What a relief, though you must be

almost numb from all this. I think my dad's situation shows

how " helpful " those flu shots are (wish we had understood the danger

of the shots and related concerns in time to help too). I'm glad the

flu had an upside of flushing out the issues before things went

beyond critical.

We're sort of sifting things to be thankful for out of the shards,

huh? But it's more than just some consciousness building exercise,

you end up doing it out of necessity sometimes.

All the best this year and better the next. -- Ana

>

> Anacat,

>

> I hope you and your family had a nice thanksgiving despite all that

is going on.  Our family has a similar tale.  My husband was in NYC

just a week before September 11, and visited the world trade center

with his high school football team he coaches.  4 years ago my MIL

died, at age 63, just a few months after Austin was dx.  If I knew

then all I know now about immune issues she may have had a much

better and longer life.  My best friends dad, who is like my second

dad, just returned from Thailand and was supposed to be retiring

there, but it did not work out. 

>

> My husband (age 39) had the flu 3 weeks ago and after taking his

blood pressure medicine that had a diuretic in it, sent himself in to

kidney and liver failure.  He was on the floor of our house from 7:30

am when he woke up and fell over until 4 pm, when our 19 year old

came home (when she was supposed to be out all day and I was out of

town).  Had Ash not come home he would have sent his heart into a

major heart attack within minutes to an hour and probably died

because I was not supposed to be home until tuesday and it was only

the 19 year old and him home and she is never home.

>

> After 5 days in the hospital trying to figure out why his blood

pressure would not regulate even though everything was going well

with the kidney and livers, they decided to do an angigram and found

that his left heart artery was 90% blocked and another one was 55%

blocked, he had a triple by pass 2 weeks ago this coming Monday. Had

the flu stuff not happened (aren't we lucky to be flu shot free :-

D) he probably would have had a massive heart attack with in 6 months

and died instantly because the 90% blocked artery feeds 2/3 of your

heart. He luckily came home last Saturday and was able to spend

Thanksgiving with us.

>

> While the world around us is falling apart, its good to know we all

can still find things to be thankful for.  I too wish and paul 

the short end of something, lol ;-)