Re:Vaccinated vs unvaccinated

[Guest guest]

" In conclusion, a question to Karaka re her post " What

causes autism...? " If the Japanese have their share

of autism though the MMRs have been discontinued, can

it be that Japanese kids get their mercury from sources

other than thimerosol-laced vaccine? From mercury-

laced fish, for instance? After all, the Japanese

eat much fish. Remember minamata.... "

Once again we see someone confusing the two vaccine issues, MMR and thimerosal.

The Japanese suspended their use of the MMR because of the Urabe strain of the

mumps, which was associated with menigitus, and not because the measles

component was associated with autism. I do not know if the monovalent measles

vaccine used in Japan is live virus (and thimerosal free) or dead virus (and

probably containing thimerosal).

However, a heavy seafood diet probably does not contribute to the autism

epidemic in a significant way (although it may cause other problems). I say

this because the Scandinavian countries and Denmark all eat signifcantly more

fish per capita than we do in the States, and yet our autism rate is

significantly higher. And Hvid's study, when corrected for dataset change,

actually shows that autism declined in severity once thimerosal was banned from

use as a vaccine preservative in Denmark.

[Guest guest]

Hmm. The Somalis in Sweden have higher rates than the Swedes and call

autism " the Swedish disease " . But from DK's article, it seems that a

number of women (who soon became pregnant) and children were double

vaccinated before and after arriving to the US. This could have also

happened in Sweden. The Swedish schedule might not be quite high

enough on toxins to trigger autism at US rates, even with high fish

consumption (they have more open info on high hg fish whereas in the

US, the fish and power industry control release of fish warnings).

And Sweden might have lower general mercury pollution or a lower

consumption of things which cripple the body's detox system than fish-

eating Japan. This might partly explain Japan's higher rate.

Or maybe the Japanese " thimerosal-free " schedule is like

our " thimerosal-free " schedule-- and actually contains about 71 mcg.

What happened in Japan in the wake of Minimata is incredibly corrupt

and there are still people fighting for compensation. Japan protected

industry in that situation. They could also play little games about

vaccines and protect the vaccine industry-- who knows? Maybe the

legacy of Minimata is to increase the national body burden, making it

easier to " tip " the newer generations of infants into autism.

Again, maybe there are things in modern life crippling Japanese kids'

mitochondrial systems, glutathione and DNA methylation, making them

unable to excrete the mercury from a high-fish diet. What made

methylmercury less of a suspect than ethylmercury was Burbacher's

study showing that e-hg couldn't get back out of the brain as easily

as m-hg because e-hg transformed more quickly into inorganic mercury--

kind of a like a " barbed " form of mercury. Injecting also bypasses

all the body's defenses. But what if you first cripple the body's

defenses-- then any form of mercury with any route of entry can act a

lot like e-hg and " get stuck " . If it gets " stuck " in the body, it's

eventually going to make its way to the brain in higher amounts--

particularly if other things in modern life (aluminum, psych drugs)

increae permeability of the blood brain barrier in children.

From hearing the explanation of our kids' DAN doc about toxic metal

excretion from chelation, I do think that eating fish

can " complement " the mercury from shots even if that mode of entry

doesn't quite cause autism (yet-- but watch as the atmospheric

mercury levels rise around the world) for most kids. We saw on our

kids' urine toxic metals tests that sometimes certain metals

would " take first place " in being excreted. Lead, the DAN explained,

is sort of a bully and " loads up the excretion bus " first, actually

preventing the excretion of other metals. On one test we saw lots of

lead and thallium, on the next we saw a record amount of mercury and

cadmium. Lead, it seems, had to " get out of the way " to allow the

mercury to exit.

Both kids showed obvious improvements every time.

Would the mercury have been able to get out without the lead being

pulled " out of mercury's way " ? I don't know. None of it was getting

out without chelation in any case. What I thought this showed was

that the overload itself can cripple the system of methylation and

detoxification-- i.e., the detox " bus " blows its transmission or runs

out of gas (mito?) and can't escort anything out.

One of the Amish's rare cases of autism, according to Dan Olmsted,

had never been vaccinated but was documented nonetheless to have high

levels of mercury from other sources.

The Texas study showed that rates of autism are higher in areas with

pollution from coal-fired plants and other mercury polluters. The

rates rose evenly according to proximity. This means that any source

of environmental mercury (and perhaps anything which disables detox)

contributes to the problem.

I could be wrong but personally still think things which cause mito

dysfunction, lower the immunity (whopping vaccine viruses) and

disable glutathione " load the gun " but that mercury is the bullet.

Mercury or specific (and new-- they have to be rather new or have new

uses) drugs or substances which precisely mimic mercury's impact on

the brain (Depakote).

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> " In conclusion, a question to Karaka re her post " What

> causes autism...? " If the Japanese have their share

> of autism though the MMRs have been discontinued, can

> it be that Japanese kids get their mercury from sources

> other than thimerosol-laced vaccine? From mercury-

> laced fish, for instance? After all, the Japanese

> eat much fish. Remember minamata.... "

>

> Once again we see someone confusing the two vaccine issues, MMR and

thimerosal. The Japanese suspended their use of the MMR because of

the Urabe strain of the mumps, which was associated with menigitus,

and not because the measles component was associated with autism. I

do not know if the monovalent measles vaccine used in Japan is live

virus (and thimerosal free) or dead virus (and probably containing

thimerosal).

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> However, a heavy seafood diet probably does not contribute to the

autism epidemic in a significant way (although it may cause other

problems). I say this because the Scandinavian countries and Denmark

all eat signifcantly more fish per capita than we do in the States,

and yet our autism rate is significantly higher. And Hvid's study,

when corrected for dataset change, actually shows that autism

declined in severity once thimerosal was banned from use as a vaccine

preservative in Denmark.

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