Re: Parents who want to recover kids trying to allay their own inad

[Guest guest]

I do not know what the ASA's opinion on ABA was when the parent was told this,

butI can tell you that my state's chapter most certainly did counsel against ABA

for this very reason way back when my boy was first dx'd a decade ago. I will

never forget my wife's upset when she came home from a meeting which featured

various " experts " sponsored by my local ASA chapter.

When my wife asked about getting ABA (which my first venture into internet

research suggested was the only validated method for working with Autists) they

turned on her in a mob and all began telling her how abusive it was, how it

entailed major aversives including electric shock. She left shortly after that

in tears, and I don't mind telling you I was no effin good for putting that idea

into her head until I found several articles about ABA (including several pieces

by Ivar himself) which clearly stated that they did not use aversives.

The next question was of course " why " ? I came to find out not long after that

meeting that many of the " experts " were in fact in direct contractual pay with

the schools, who have ALWAYS been loathe to utilize ABA unless it was absolutely

free to them. That was one of the watershed moments for me when I stopped

assuming that the schools, the public health officials, the SSA, etc. had my

boy's best interests in mind. I made the committment not long after to be in

attendance to all such meetings till such time that my boy was no longer

disabled.

Re: Parents who want to recover kids trying to " allay their own inad

Posted by: " Candyce Estave " ceestave@... ceestave

Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:34 am (PST)

I would venture to guess that National ASA did not say ABA is child abuse. It

was probably one person's opinion.

Candyce

[Guest guest]

jumping in late here.........I doubt that this anti-ABA thing would be going on now with ASA as CARD founder, Dr. Doreen Granpesheh is now on their board of directors. The new theory is, no ABA without biomedical treatments.RoxSubject: Re: Parents who want to recover kids trying to "allay their own inadTo: EOHarm Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 6:24 PM

I do not know what the ASA's opinion on ABA was when the parent was told this, butI can tell you that my state's chapter most certainly did counsel against ABA for this very reason way back when my boy was first dx'd a decade ago. I will never forget my wife's upset when she came home from a meeting which featured various "experts" sponsored by my local ASA chapter.

When my wife asked about getting ABA (which my first venture into internet research suggested was the only validated method for working with Autists) they turned on her in a mob and all began telling her how abusive it was, how it entailed major aversives including electric shock. She left shortly after that in tears, and I don't mind telling you I was no effin good for putting that idea into her head until I found several articles about ABA (including several pieces by Ivar himself) which clearly stated that they did not use aversives.

The next question was of course "why"? I came to find out not long after that meeting that many of the "experts" were in fact in direct contractual pay with the schools, who have ALWAYS been loathe to utilize ABA unless it was absolutely free to them. That was one of the watershed moments for me when I stopped assuming that the schools, the public health officials, the SSA, etc. had my boy's best interests in mind. I made the committment not long after to be in attendance to all such meetings till such time that my boy was no longer disabled.

Re: Parents who want to recover kids trying to "allay their own inad

Posted by: "Candyce Estave" ceestaveverizon (DOT) net ceestave

Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:34 am (PST)

I would venture to guess that National ASA did not say ABA is child abuse. It was probably one person's opinion.

Candyce

[Guest guest]

8 years ago, or so, when I got involved, national's thing was, " we

won't suggest any one treatment over another. "

CGF

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> Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 6:24 PM

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> I do not know what the ASA's opinion on ABA was when

the parent was told this, butI can tell you that my state's chapter

most certainly did counsel against ABA for this very reason way back

when my boy was first dx'd a decade ago. I will never forget my

wife's upset when she came home from a meeting which featured

various " experts " sponsored by my local ASA chapter.

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> When my wife asked about getting ABA (which my first venture into

internet research suggested was the only validated method for working

with Autists) they turned on her in a mob and all began telling her

how abusive it was, how it entailed major aversives including

electric shock. She left shortly after that in tears, and I don't

mind telling you I was no effin good for putting that idea into her

head until I found several articles about ABA (including several

pieces by Ivar himself) which clearly stated that they did not use

aversives.

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> The next question was of course " why " ? I came to find out not long

after that meeting that many of the " experts " were in fact in direct

contractual pay with the schools, who have ALWAYS been loathe to

utilize ABA unless it was absolutely free to them. That was one of

the watershed moments for me when I stopped assuming that the

schools, the public health officials, the SSA, etc. had my boy's best

interests in mind. I made the committment not long after to be in

attendance to all such meetings till such time that my boy was no

longer disabled.

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[Guest guest]

ASA's option policy states that they encourage parents/caregivers to utilize whatever interventions are effective for the individual; barring, of course, anything that is dangerous, abusive, or threatens the dignity or safety of an individual. My guess is that particular chapter was going somewhat "rogue," and the opinions expressed were those of the leadership of that chapter, NEVER that of ASA. Doreen Granpeesheh joining the board a couple of years ago, didn't change anything. ASA has always been pro- ABA, along with a host of other reasonable and evidence based interventions.

Candyce

Re: Parents who want to recover kids trying to "allay their own inad> To: EOHarm > Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 6:24 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know what the ASA's opinion on ABA was when the parent was told this, butI can tell you that my state's chapter most certainly did counsel against ABA for this very reason way back when my boy was first dx'd a decade ago. I will never forget my wife's upset when she came home from a meeting which featured various "experts" sponsored by my local ASA chapter. > > > > When my wife asked about getting ABA (which my first venture into internet research suggested was the only validated method for working with Autists) they turned on her in a mob and all began telling her how abusive it was, how it entailed major aversives including electric shock. She left shortly after that in tears, and I don't mind telling you I was no effin good for putting that idea into her head until I found several articles about ABA (including several pieces by Ivar himself) which clearly stated that they did not use aversives. > > > > The next question was of course "why"? I came to find out not long after that meeting that many of the "experts" were in fact in direct contractual pay with the schools, who have ALWAYS been loathe to utilize ABA unless it was absolutely free to them. That was one of the watershed moments for me when I stopped assuming that the schools, the public health officials, the SSA, etc. had my boy's best interests in mind. I made the committment not long after to be in attendance to all such meetings till such time that my boy was no longer disabled. > > > > Re: Parents who want to recover kids trying to "allay their own inad > > Posted by: "Candyce Estave" ceestaveverizon (DOT) net ceestave > > Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:34 am (PST) > > I would venture to guess that National ASA did not say ABA is child abuse. It was probably one person's opinion.> > > > Candyce>

[Guest guest]

That is the way it should be if an organization honors their options

policy. A person's commmercial ties too should not be a factor

within their efforts on a non-profit BOD. Could cause a bi conflict

of interest for obvious reasons.

Cg

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> > I do not know what the ASA's opinion on ABA was when

> the parent was told this, butI can tell you that my state's chapter

> most certainly did counsel against ABA for this very reason way

back

> when my boy was first dx'd a decade ago. I will never forget my

> wife's upset when she came home from a meeting which featured

> various " experts " sponsored by my local ASA chapter.

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> > When my wife asked about getting ABA (which my first venture into

> internet research suggested was the only validated method for

working

> with Autists) they turned on her in a mob and all began telling her

> how abusive it was, how it entailed major aversives including

> electric shock. She left shortly after that in tears, and I don't

> mind telling you I was no effin good for putting that idea into her

> head until I found several articles about ABA (including several

> pieces by Ivar himself) which clearly stated that they did not use

> aversives.

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> > The next question was of course " why " ? I came to find out not

long

> after that meeting that many of the " experts " were in fact in

direct

> contractual pay with the schools, who have ALWAYS been loathe to

> utilize ABA unless it was absolutely free to them. That was one of

> the watershed moments for me when I stopped assuming that the

> schools, the public health officials, the SSA, etc. had my boy's

best

> interests in mind. I made the committment not long after to be in

> attendance to all such meetings till such time that my boy was no

> longer disabled.

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> > Posted by: " Candyce Estave " ceestaveverizon (DOT) net ceestave

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> > I would venture to guess that National ASA did not say ABA is

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