Seizure after MMR is a coincidence didn’t you just know it?

[Guest guest]

Seizure after MMR is a coincidence didn’t you just know it? 250 000 published adverse events after vaccination in short time in just one country and just one highly publicised admission of vaccine harm for a child of a doctor; so we should not be too disappointed that the death straight after a vaccine was coincidental to an infant boy who also suffered convulsions from an earlier vaccination but was actually perfectly OK after the MMR vaccine. We have absolutely no idea what caused his death but the seizure after MMR was unrelated to the vaccine and the seizure after his DTP vaccine. Remember we are talking chalk and cheese. Richet and his anaphylaxis was for repeat exposure to the same antigen and MMR is not the same as DTP. So we can still say it is OK to jab a person who has reacted violently to his previous vaccine and there is absolutely nothing to worry about. Why not use this boy as an example? He was fine for days after and all adverse reactions cease after 4 hours. We know this because all doctors tell us and they have the last say as they are the experts on vaccine theory. We need to look elsewhere for the cause of death. So we can say that if a reaction occurs after the second vaccine even though it happened after the first, it is for this time only not connected. Deaths from vaccines do not happen. The Fisher’s are presumably not doctors and therefore although it is common sense that a seizure after one vaccine might cause a seizure after another vaccine they are not sufficiently educated in the ‘science’ of vaccination to realise this second and fatal seizure was totally unconnected with vaccines. Richet discovered anaphylaxis 100 years ago but we have refined it down to a reaction within four hours after a vaccine and this clearly was more than four hours. Today we would dispute the findings of this Nobel Prize winner because our patients today are healthy after their vaccinations as was this boy and the death days later was just chance. It is quite normal for boys to just drop dead at an early age and the vaccines actually helped him to live that little bit longer. Presumably the Fisher’s are firm advocates of vaccination as there is no compulsion to vaccinate in the UK and they will no doubt be content to know that the death had nothing to do with the vaccines. They are actually in a very fortunate position that a certain Professor and Knight of the realm has rather been put out of the court circuit or they might find one or other of the parents facing charges of murder here. Any other doctor want to leap up and take the place of the good doctor in the court room? His fees were rumored to be 500 000 pounds a time with often two cases in one week. Nice work if you can get it and you dont have to get both parents put away for life, one is sufficient. All you have to do is pick up the phone, ring any police station and just say I think this was murder by the parents. Its done all the time in England and the police will always take what you say seriously and have large funds to give you as well. In this case the only qualification you need is your expert witness registration completed and up to date. How do you prove they are murders? Well its easy, you just get a doll and go through the stranging or shaking process, look at the defendants and say there is no other conclusion. You will have a very close nit group of fellow travellers to help you in your career and jump up and down if you get rumbled. No one yet has been defrocked or if so only for a short while. Its those quack doctors like Hoxsey that get into trouble and into prison. This sort of proof is nearly always sufficient as the reputation of the doctors is sacrosanct. We have the likes of Dickinson and hundreds of other resting in prison in the UK on this quality of evidence. We know this as for 250 000 adverse reports just one was correct. All those people happy enough to get a vaccine and then being ungrateful when they become ill or die after. There’s just no gratitude, similitude or humbleness left today you know. Trust your doctor, trust your doctor, trust your doctor and lets get the ducking stool out. MMR Vaccine Played No Part In Baby's Sudden Death, Coroner Says is.gd/aewg Fisher's parents dismayed by coroner's verdict that the 18-month-old died of natural causes The MMR vaccine played no part in the death of a baby 10 days after getting the jab, a coroner ruled today. Fisher, aged 18 months, was discovered dead in his cot in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, by his mother, Fisher, hours after he was heard " chatting away on the baby monitor " . Fisher, 42, and her husband , 43, believe the vaccine is " implicated " in their son's death in January 2006. They said no one had explained to them the temperature-raising effect of the jab on children who had previously suffered a fit, as had. But the Gloucestershire coroner Alan Crickmore decided that 's symptoms had emerged too soon after receiving the MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) jab to be related to it. Although had a 2% chance of suffering a convulsion after the jab, those were not known to be fatal and there was no evidence he had even had a second fit. The coroner recorded a verdict of natural causes, ruling that had died from a rare condition known as Sudden Unexpected Death in Childhood, due to an unascertained disease. The verdict came after doctors, paediatricians and consultants told the hearing at Gloucester shire hall there was no evidence of a link between 's death and the jab. Department of Health guidelines say the jab should be given " with caution " but does not ban child sufferers of febrile convulsions - fever fits - from taking it and recommends monitoring temperatures. After the hearing the family's lawyer, Judith Leach, said 's parents were " extremely I don't actually think the vaccine had anything to do with the death of the child. I actually know the death was related to the vaccine. The practice is called the repeat challenge test and is one of the most powerful research tools for the medical researchers. When its applied to patients dying from a vaccine it suddenly loses all credibility though. Strange but true. But if you paid out 1 million pounds every time someone got injured or killed by a vaccine you would make the shots too expensive for the current medical tradition of Russian roulette.. There was a time back in the good old days when a vaccine shot cost 10 pence; today they can come out at over a 1000 pounds in the UK and thats because too many people are dying and getting injured but dont tell Mr Fisher or those other 250 000 or there might be some rumblings and discontent. Seizure after MMR is a coincidence didn’t you just know it?

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I would imagine that some vaccines can take days, even weeks or months to work their damage in our bodily systems.

Aasa

Subject: Seizure after MMR is a coincidence didn’t you just know it?To: EOHarm Received: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:13 PM

Seizure after MMR is a coincidence didn’t you just know it?

250 000 published adverse events after vaccination in short time in just one country and just one highly publicised admission of vaccine harm for a child of a doctor; so we should not be too disappointed that the death straight after a vaccine was coincidental to an infant boy who also suffered convulsions from an earlier vaccination but was actually perfectly OK after the MMR vaccine.

We have absolutely no idea what caused his death but the seizure after MMR was unrelated to the vaccine and the seizure after his DTP vaccine. Remember we are talking chalk and cheese.

Richet and his anaphylaxis was for repeat exposure to the same antigen and MMR is not the same as DTP.

So we can still say it is OK to jab a person who has reacted violently to his previous vaccine and there is absolutely nothing to worry about. Why not use this boy as an example? He was fine for days after and all adverse reactions cease after 4 hours. We know this because all doctors tell us and they have the last say as they are the experts on vaccine theory. We need to look elsewhere for the cause of death.

So we can say that if a reaction occurs after the second vaccine even though it happened after the first, it is for this time only not connected. Deaths from vaccines do not happen.

The Fisher’s are presumably not doctors and therefore although it is common sense that a seizure after one vaccine might cause a seizure after another vaccine they are not sufficiently educated in the ‘science’ of vaccination to realise this second and fatal seizure was totally unconnected with vaccines.

Richet discovered anaphylaxis 100 years ago but we have refined it down to a reaction within four hours after a vaccine and this clearly was more than four hours. Today we would dispute the findings of this Nobel Prize winner because our patients today are healthy after their vaccinations as was this boy and the death days later was just chance. It is quite normal for boys to just drop dead at an early age and the vaccines actually helped him to live that little bit longer.

Presumably the Fisher’s are firm advocates of vaccination as there is no compulsion to vaccinate in the UK and they will no doubt be content to know that the death had nothing to do with the vaccines.

They are actually in a very fortunate position that a certain Professor and Knight of the realm has rather been put out of the court circuit or they might find one or other of the parents facing charges of murder here.

Any other doctor want to leap up and take the place of the good doctor in the court room? His fees were rumored to be 500 000 pounds a time with often two cases in one week. Nice work if you can get it and you dont have to get both parents put away for life, one is sufficient. All you have to do is pick up the phone, ring any police station and just say I think this was murder by the parents. Its done all the time in England and the police will always take what you say seriously and have large funds to give you as well. In this case the only qualification you need is your expert witness registration completed and up to date.

How do you prove they are murders? Well its easy, you just get a doll and go through the stranging or shaking process, look at the defendants and say there is no other conclusion. You will have a very close nit group of fellow travellers to help you in your career and jump up and down if you get rumbled. No one yet has been defrocked or if so only for a short while. Its those quack doctors like Hoxsey that get into trouble and into prison.

This sort of proof is nearly always sufficient as the reputation of the doctors is sacrosanct. We have the likes of Dickinson and hundreds of other resting in prison in the UK on this quality of evidence.

We know this as for 250 000 adverse reports just one was correct. All those people happy enough to get a vaccine and then being ungrateful when they become ill or die after. There’s just no gratitude, similitude or humbleness left today you know. Trust your doctor, trust your doctor, trust your doctor and lets get the ducking stool out.

MMR Vaccine Played No Part In Baby's Sudden Death, Coroner Saysis.gd/aewg Fisher's parents dismayed by coroner's verdict that the 18-month-old died of natural causes The MMR vaccine played no part in the death of a baby 10 days after getting the jab, a coroner ruled today. Fisher, aged 18 months, was discovered dead in his cot in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, by his mother, Fisher, hours after he was heard "chatting away on the

baby monitor". Fisher, 42, and her husband , 43, believe the vaccine is "implicated" in their son's death in January 2006. They said no one had explained to them the temperature- raising effect of the jab on children who had previously suffered a fit, as had. But the Gloucestershire coroner Alan Crickmore decided that 's symptoms had emerged too soon after receiving the MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) jab to be related to it. Although had a 2% chance of suffering a convulsion after the jab, those were not known to be fatal and there was no evidence he had even had a second fit. The coroner recorded a verdict of natural causes, ruling that had died from a rare condition known as Sudden Unexpected Death in Childhood, due to an unascertained

disease. The verdict came after doctors, paediatricians and consultants told the hearing at Gloucester shire hall there was no evidence of a link between 's death and the jab. Department of Health guidelines say the jab should be given "with caution" but does not ban child sufferers of febrile convulsions - fever fits - from taking it and recommends monitoring temperatures. After the hearing the family's lawyer, Judith Leach, said 's parents were "extremely

I don't actually think the vaccine had anything to do with the death of the child. I actually know the death was related to the vaccine. The practice is called the repeat challenge test and is one of the most powerful research tools for the medical researchers. When its applied to patients dying from a vaccine it suddenly loses all credibility though. Strange but true.

But if you paid out 1 million pounds every time someone got injured or killed by a vaccine you would make the shots too expensive for the current medical tradition of Russian roulette..

There was a time back in the good old days when a vaccine shot cost 10 pence; today they can come out at over a 1000 pounds in the UK and thats because too many people are dying and getting injured but dont tell Mr Fisher or those other 250 000 or there might be some rumblings and discontent.

Seizure after MMR is a coincidence didn’t you just know it?

[Guest guest]

I couldn't agree more, my daughter's regression into autism after

her 4-year vaccines was very gradual (took 9 months, diagnosed just

before age 5) which is why I didn't suspect vaccines at the time.

Her DAN believes it was the MMR that did it for her too.

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just know it?

> To: EOHarm

> Received: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:13 PM

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> Seizure after MMR is a coincidence didn’t you just know it?

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> 250 000 published adverse events after vaccination in short time

in just one country and just one highly publicised admission of

vaccine harm for a child of a doctor; so we should not be too

disappointed that the death straight after a vaccine was

coincidental to an infant boy who also suffered convulsions from an

earlier vaccination but was actually perfectly OK after the MMR

vaccine.

>  

> We have absolutely no idea what caused his death but the seizure

after MMR was unrelated to the vaccine and the seizure after his DTP

vaccine. Remember we are talking chalk and cheese.

>  

> Richet and his anaphylaxis was for repeat exposure to the

same antigen and MMR is not the same as DTP.

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> So we can still say it is OK to jab a person who has reacted

violently to his previous vaccine and there is absolutely nothing to

worry about. Why not use this boy as an example? He was fine for

days after and all adverse reactions cease after 4 hours. We know

this because all doctors tell us and they have the last say as they

are the experts on vaccine theory. We need to look elsewhere for the

cause of death.

>  

> So we can say that if a reaction occurs after the second vaccine

even though it happened after the first, it is for this time only

not connected. Deaths from vaccines do not happen.

>  

> The Fisher’s are presumably not doctors and therefore although

it is common sense that a seizure after one vaccine might cause a

seizure after another vaccine they are not sufficiently educated in

the ‘science’ of vaccination to realise this second and fatal

seizure was totally unconnected with vaccines.

>  

> Richet discovered anaphylaxis 100 years ago but we have

refined it down to a reaction within four hours after a vaccine and

this clearly was more than four hours. Today we would dispute the

findings of this Nobel Prize winner because our patients today  are

healthy after their vaccinations as was this boy and the death days

later was just chance. It is quite normal for boys to just drop dead

at an early age and the vaccines actually helped him to live that

little bit longer.

>  

>  

> Presumably the Fisher’s are firm advocates of vaccination as

there is no compulsion to vaccinate in the UK and they will no doubt

be content to know that the death had nothing to do with the

vaccines.

>  

> They are actually in a very fortunate position that a certain

Professor and Knight of the realm has rather been put out of the

court circuit or they might find one or other of the parents facing

charges of murder here.

>  

> Any other doctor want to leap up and take the place of the good

doctor in the court room? His fees were rumored to be 500 000

pounds a time with often two cases in one week. Nice work if you can

get it and you dont have to get both parents put away for life, one

is sufficient. All you have to do is pick up the phone, ring any

police station and just say I think this was murder by the parents.

Its done all the time in England and the police will always take

what you say seriously and have large funds to give you as well. In

this case the only qualification you need is your expert witness

registration completed and up to date.

>  

> How do you prove they are murders? Well its easy, you just get a

doll and go through the stranging or shaking process, look at the

defendants and say there is no other conclusion. You will have a

very close nit group of fellow travellers to help you in your career

and jump up and down if you get rumbled. No one yet has been

defrocked or if so only for a short while. Its those quack doctors

like Hoxsey that get into trouble and into prison.

>  

> This sort of proof is nearly always sufficient as the reputation

of the doctors is sacrosanct. We have the likes of

Dickinson and hundreds of other resting in prison in the UK on this

quality of evidence.

>  

> We know this as for 250 000 adverse reports just one was correct.

All those people happy enough to get a vaccine and then being

ungrateful when they become ill or die after. There’s just no

gratitude, similitude or humbleness left today you know. Trust your

doctor, trust your doctor, trust your doctor and lets get the

ducking stool out.

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> MMR Vaccine Played No Part In Baby's

> Sudden Death, Coroner Says

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>       Fisher's parents dismayed by coroner's verdict

that the 18-month-old died of natural causes

>       The MMR vaccine played no part in the death of a baby

10 days after getting the jab, a coroner ruled today.

>       Fisher, aged 18 months, was discovered dead in

his cot in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, by his mother, Fisher,

hours after he was heard " chatting away on the baby monitor " .

>       Fisher, 42, and her husband , 43, believe

the vaccine is " implicated " in their son's death in January 2006.

>       They said no one had explained to them the temperature-

raising effect of the jab on children who had previously suffered a

fit, as had.

>       But the Gloucestershire coroner Alan Crickmore decided

that 's symptoms had emerged too soon after receiving the MMR

(measles, mumps and rubella) jab to be related to it.

>       Although had a 2% chance of suffering a

convulsion after the jab, those were not known to be fatal and there

was no evidence he had even had a second fit.

>       The coroner recorded a verdict of natural causes,

ruling that had died from a rare condition known as Sudden

Unexpected Death in Childhood, due to an unascertained disease.

>       The verdict came after doctors, paediatricians and

consultants told the hearing at Gloucester shire hall there was no

evidence of a link between 's death and the jab.

>       Department of Health guidelines say the jab should be

given " with caution " but does not ban child sufferers of febrile

convulsions - fever fits - from taking it and recommends monitoring

temperatures.

>       After the hearing the family's lawyer, Judith Leach,

said 's parents were " extremely

>

>

>  

> I don't actually think the vaccine had anything to do with the

death of the child. I actually know the death was related to the

vaccine. The practice is called the repeat challenge test and is one

of the most powerful research tools for the medical researchers.

When its applied to patients dying from a vaccine it suddenly loses

all credibility though. Strange but true.

>  

> But if you paid out 1 million pounds every time someone got

injured or killed by a vaccine you would make the shots too

expensive for the current medical tradition of Russian roulette..

>  

> There was a time back in the good old days when a vaccine shot

cost 10 pence; today they can come out at over a 1000 pounds in the

UK and thats because too many people are dying and getting injured

but dont tell Mr Fisher or those other 250 000 or there might be

some rumblings and discontent.

>  

>  

> Seizure after MMR is a coincidence didn’t you just know it?

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[Guest guest]

I treated two 4-yo girls after their MMR's for preschool (one had

never been vaccinated till then and the other had been fully vaccinated)

They both started regressing into autism before their parent's

eyes. I treated each one with the appropriate homeopathic remedy

(that matched their individual symptoms) and also suggested high

doses of Vitamin A for 2 days (mycelized) but I don't think either

mother followed through with that in appropriate amounts). Anyway,

the girls improved and did not regress further into autism. But I'm

sure they would have had it not been treated right away.

MMR seems to be the straw that breaks the camel's back - possibly in

those with low Vitamin A stores, as Measles depletes Vitamin A

stores, that are often already depleted - same for the vaccine.

Sheri

At 07:46 AM 12/5/2008, you wrote:

>I couldn't agree more, my daughter's regression into autism after

>her 4-year vaccines was very gradual (took 9 months, diagnosed just

>before age 5) which is why I didn't suspect vaccines at the time.

>Her DAN believes it was the MMR that did it for her too.

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers &

Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start in December 2008

[Guest guest]

*@Sent via BlackBerry from T-MobileFrom: " McClure" Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:46:04 -0000To: <EOHarm >Subject: Re: Seizure after MMR is a coincidence didn’t you just know it? I couldn't agree more, my daughter's regression into autism after her 4-year vaccines was very gradual (took 9 months, diagnosed just before age 5) which is why I didn't suspect vaccines at the time. Her DAN believes it was the MMR that did it for her too. > > > Subject: Seizure after MMR is a coincidence didn’t you just know it? > To: EOHarm > Received: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:13 PM > > > > > > > > > Seizure after MMR is a coincidence didn’t you just know it? >   > 250 000 published adverse events after vaccination in short time in just one country and just one highly publicised admission of vaccine harm for a child of a doctor; so we should not be too disappointed that the death straight after a vaccine was coincidental to an infant boy who also suffered convulsions from an earlier vaccination but was actually perfectly OK after the MMR vaccine. >   > We have absolutely no idea what caused his death but the seizure after MMR was unrelated to the vaccine and the seizure after his DTP vaccine. Remember we are talking chalk and cheese. >   > Richet and his anaphylaxis was for repeat exposure to the same antigen and MMR is not the same as DTP. >   > So we can still say it is OK to jab a person who has reacted violently to his previous vaccine and there is absolutely nothing to worry about. Why not use this boy as an example? He was fine for days after and all adverse reactions cease after 4 hours. We know this because all doctors tell us and they have the last say as they are the experts on vaccine theory. We need to look elsewhere for the cause of death. >   > So we can say that if a reaction occurs after the second vaccine even though it happened after the first, it is for this time only not connected. Deaths from vaccines do not happen. >   > The Fisher’s are presumably not doctors and therefore although it is common sense that a seizure after one vaccine might cause a seizure after another vaccine they are not sufficiently educated in the ‘science’ of vaccination to realise this second and fatal seizure was totally unconnected with vaccines. >   > Richet discovered anaphylaxis 100 years ago but we have refined it down to a reaction within four hours after a vaccine and this clearly was more than four hours. Today we would dispute the findings of this Nobel Prize winner because our patients today  are healthy after their vaccinations as was this boy and the death days later was just chance. It is quite normal for boys to just drop dead at an early age and the vaccines actually helped him to live that little bit longer. >   >   > Presumably the Fisher’s are firm advocates of vaccination as there is no compulsion to vaccinate in the UK and they will no doubt be content to know that the death had nothing to do with the vaccines. >   > They are actually in a very fortunate position that a certain Professor and Knight of the realm has rather been put out of the court circuit or they might find one or other of the parents facing charges of murder here. >   > Any other doctor want to leap up and take the place of the good doctor in the court room? His fees were rumored to be 500 000 pounds a time with often two cases in one week. Nice work if you can get it and you dont have to get both parents put away for life, one is sufficient. All you have to do is pick up the phone, ring any police station and just say I think this was murder by the parents. Its done all the time in England and the police will always take what you say seriously and have large funds to give you as well. In this case the only qualification you need is your expert witness registration completed and up to date. >   > How do you prove they are murders? Well its easy, you just get a doll and go through the stranging or shaking process, look at the defendants and say there is no other conclusion. You will have a very close nit group of fellow travellers to help you in your career and jump up and down if you get rumbled. No one yet has been defrocked or if so only for a short while. Its those quack doctors like Hoxsey that get into trouble and into prison. >   > This sort of proof is nearly always sufficient as the reputation of the doctors is sacrosanct. We have the likes of Dickinson and hundreds of other resting in prison in the UK on this quality of evidence. >   > We know this as for 250 000 adverse reports just one was correct. All those people happy enough to get a vaccine and then being ungrateful when they become ill or die after. There’s just no gratitude, similitude or humbleness left today you know. Trust your doctor, trust your doctor, trust your doctor and lets get the ducking stool out. >   >   >   >   >   >   > MMR Vaccine Played No Part In Baby's > Sudden Death, Coroner Says > > is.gd/aewg > >       Fisher's parents dismayed by coroner's verdict that the 18-month-old died of natural causes >       The MMR vaccine played no part in the death of a baby 10 days after getting the jab, a coroner ruled today. >       Fisher, aged 18 months, was discovered dead in his cot in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, by his mother, Fisher, hours after he was heard " chatting away on the baby monitor " . >       Fisher, 42, and her husband , 43, believe the vaccine is " implicated " in their son's death in January 2006. >       They said no one had explained to them the temperature- raising effect of the jab on children who had previously suffered a fit, as had. >       But the Gloucestershire coroner Alan Crickmore decided that 's symptoms had emerged too soon after receiving the MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) jab to be related to it. >       Although had a 2% chance of suffering a convulsion after the jab, those were not known to be fatal and there was no evidence he had even had a second fit. >       The coroner recorded a verdict of natural causes, ruling that had died from a rare condition known as Sudden Unexpected Death in Childhood, due to an unascertained disease. >       The verdict came after doctors, paediatricians and consultants told the hearing at Gloucester shire hall there was no evidence of a link between 's death and the jab. >       Department of Health guidelines say the jab should be given " with caution " but does not ban child sufferers of febrile convulsions - fever fits - from taking it and recommends monitoring temperatures. >       After the hearing the family's lawyer, Judith Leach, said 's parents were " extremely > > >   > I don't actually think the vaccine had anything to do with the death of the child. I actually know the death was related to the vaccine. The practice is called the repeat challenge test and is one of the most powerful research tools for the medical researchers. When its applied to patients dying from a vaccine it suddenly loses all credibility though. Strange but true. >   > But if you paid out 1 million pounds every time someone got injured or killed by a vaccine you would make the shots too expensive for the current medical tradition of Russian roulette.. >   > There was a time back in the good old days when a vaccine shot cost 10 pence; today they can come out at over a 1000 pounds in the UK and thats because too many people are dying and getting injured but dont tell Mr Fisher or those other 250 000 or there might be some rumblings and discontent. >   >   > Seizure after MMR is a coincidence didn’t you just know it? >   >