Re: Vaccinated vs unvaccinated

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I can only speak for my unvaccinated 8 year old daughter. She has never had an ear infection, has only taken antibiotic once for strep which she caught from a friend in school, is generally very healthy. She catches one or two colds a year. As a side note, teacher last year and this year told us she was "by far" the brightest child in the class. She scored the highest in the end of school tests for her entire grade last year. On the other hand, my vaccinated son had ear infections for months and months at a time, took massive amounts of antibiotics, had allergies, did not gain weight for over two years after the final blow vaccines which caused his autism at 2 years old, had swollen lymph nodes in his neck for over 5 years which finally went away after a year of biomedical. Such a difference in our two

children. One vaccinated, the other not vaccinated. Hello all, a couple of weeks ago, Stuttgart (Germany) hosted a symposium of medical experts opposed to vaccination from all over the world. I followed its proceedings on the Internet, all in German. Much of it very interesting and informative. One of the most interesting pieces of into -- a newsletter, the theme of which is "Who's healthier, the vaccinated or the unvaccinated. " Again all in German. I don't have time to translate all of it but will translate a few of the findings. For those who have a reading knowledge of German, here is the URL: http://www.impf- report.de/ jahrgang/

2005/06.htm In an introductory note, the editor talks about the derth of real studies as to "Who is healthier... ?" and explains why both the medical establishment and the pharma-industry have been dragging their feet re conducting such studies. He ofers a list of such studies, a blurb for each with the significant results and the URL that will take you to the study itself. I have looked at some of the studies / surveys in all their meticulous details. Let's have a glance at some of the results. I am sure the results don't come as a surprise to most of the people here. What's interesting is that they are so well documented and that the further tact that the surveys were conducted outside North America. Keep in mind though that what I am giving you

are summary results only. The details are in the URLs. Salzburger Elternstudie (Survey of / by parents) (2001-2005) Results: Unvaccinated children -- virtually no asthma; vaccinated 1 in 10; and three to five times less Neurodermatis. ... http://www.impf- portal.de/ aktuell/fragebo/ fraboaus10. doc Englische Kohortenstudie (1988 - 1999) Results: Vaccninated children are up to 14 times more likely to have asthma than the unvaccinated and up to nine times more like to have skin problems. http://www.impf- report.de/ jahrgang/ 2005/02.htm#

06 Langzeitstudie in Guinea-Bissau Results The death rate for unvaccinated children is about half that of the vaccinated. [ungeimpfte Kinder haben im Vergleich mit geimpften Kindern ein um die Hälfte geringeres Sterberisiko] http://www.ratio200 0.de/gesundheit/ news/news0104. htm Schwedische Studie an Waldorfschulen Results Unvaccinated kids have a lower risk of allergies... [ungeimpfte Kinder haben im Vergleich zu geimpften Kindern ein geringeres Allergierisiko] . http://www.waldorfl ibrary.org/ journal_articles /rb5103.pdf WHO-Feldversuch

(field trials) in Indien (1968 - 1971) Results Unvaccinated kids are much less likely to get sick. On the basis of this study, stopped recommending the tuberculosis vaccination. [ungeimpfte Personen haben im Vergleich zu Geimpften ein erheblich geringeres Erkrankungsrisiko (aufgrund dieser Studie wurde die Empfehlung der Tuberkuloseimpfung in Deutschland zurückgenommen) ] Neuseeländische Umfrage (survey) (1992) Unvaccinated kids are five times less likely to have asthma than the vaccinated, 2.5 times less likely to have skin problems and 8 times less likely to be hyperactive. http://www.ias. org.nz/prelim_ survey_results. htm All this in the April issue of

the "All-about-Vaccinat ion Newsletter by Parents for Parents." The March issue <www.impf-report. de/erschienen. php contains the detailed vaccination report. In conclusion, a question to Karaka re her post "What causes autism...?" If the Japanese have their share of autism though the MMRs have been discontinued, can it be that Japanese kids get their mercury from sources other than thimerosol-laced vaccine? From mercury- laced fish, for instance? After all, the Japanese eat much fish. Remember minamata.... Does anyone remember? Some (long) time ago I posted excerpts from aGerman study that showed unvaccinated kids were generally healthier,suffered less from allergy problems (virtually no asthma), were lessvulnerable to infectious diseases than vaccinated kids. I produced asummary translation of the study for those who don't know German. Can'd find that post of mine now. Would appreciate it if someonecould dig it out of personal archives and ship it to me. On a different vaccine-related list(no-forced-vaccinati onyahoogroups (DOT) com), there is a call for Congressto order even such a study in the US. I'd like to send them thecontents of the German study. Cordially, waterbuf2000@ ..., alias

Ambros .

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similar for me too. My Vax'd son used to be constantly ill, constant ear infections, colds, somach flu's etc antibiotics like crazy and of course Autism. My unvax'd daughter, the brightest thing I have ever met with a vocab better than some adults I have met, at almost 4 has only had her 3rd bug, is around kids all the time, never had a cold remedy nor antibiotics whereas son at same age was in and out of doc office and hospital. Hello all, a couple of weeks ago, Stuttgart (Germany) hosted a symposium of medical experts opposed to vaccination from all over the world. I followed its proceedings on the Internet, all in German. Much of it very interesting and informative. One of the most interesting pieces of into -- a newsletter, the theme of which is "Who's healthier, the vaccinated or the unvaccinated. " Again all in German. I don't have time to translate all of it but will translate a few of the findings. For those who have a reading knowledge of German, here is the URL: http://www.impf- report.de/ jahrgang/

2005/06.htm In an introductory note, the editor talks about the derth of real studies as to "Who is healthier... ?" and explains why both the medical establishment and the pharma-industry have been dragging their feet re conducting such studies. He ofers a list of such studies, a blurb for each with the significant results and the URL that will take you to the study itself. I have looked at some of the studies / surveys in all their meticulous details. Let's have a glance at some of the results. I am sure the results don't come as a surprise to most of the people here.. What's interesting is that they are so well documented and that the further tact that the surveys were conducted outside North America. Keep in mind though that what I am giving you

are summary results only. The details are in the URLs. Salzburger Elternstudie (Survey of / by parents) (2001-2005) Results: Unvaccinated children -- virtually no asthma; vaccinated 1 in 10; and three to five times less Neurodermatis. ... http://www.impf- portal.de/ aktuell/fragebo/ fraboaus10. doc Englische Kohortenstudie (1988 - 1999) Results: Vaccninated children are up to 14 times more likely to have asthma than the unvaccinated and up to nine times more like to have skin problems. http://www.impf- report.de/ jahrgang/ 2005/02.htm#

06 Langzeitstudie in Guinea-Bissau Results The death rate for unvaccinated children is about half that of the vaccinated. [ungeimpfte Kinder haben im Vergleich mit geimpften Kindern ein um die Hälfte geringeres Sterberisiko] http://www.ratio200 0.de/gesundheit/ news/news0104. htm Schwedische Studie an Waldorfschulen Results Unvaccinated kids have a lower risk of allergies... [ungeimpfte Kinder haben im Vergleich zu geimpften Kindern ein geringeres Allergierisiko] . http://www.waldorfl ibrary.org/ journal_articles /rb5103.pdf WHO-Feldversuch

(field trials) in Indien (1968 - 1971) Results Unvaccinated kids are much less likely to get sick. On the basis of this study, stopped recommending the tuberculosis vaccination. [ungeimpfte Personen haben im Vergleich zu Geimpften ein erheblich geringeres Erkrankungsrisiko (aufgrund dieser Studie wurde die Empfehlung der Tuberkuloseimpfung in Deutschland zurückgenommen) ] Neuseeländische Umfrage (survey) (1992) Unvaccinated kids are five times less likely to have asthma than the vaccinated, 2.5 times less likely to have skin problems and 8 times less likely to be hyperactive. http://www.ias. org.nz/prelim_ survey_results. htm All this in the April issue of

the "All-about-Vaccinat ion Newsletter by Parents for Parents." The March issue <www.impf-report. de/erschienen. php contains the detailed vaccination report. In conclusion, a question to Karaka re her post "What causes autism...?" If the Japanese have their share of autism though the MMRs have been discontinued, can it be that Japanese kids get their mercury from sources other than thimerosol-laced vaccine? From mercury- laced fish, for instance? After all, the Japanese eat much fish. Remember minamata.... Does anyone remember? Some (long) time ago I posted excerpts from aGerman study that showed unvaccinated kids were generally healthier,suffered less from allergy problems (virtually no asthma), were lessvulnerable to infectious diseases than vaccinated kids. I produced asummary translation of the study for those who don't know German. Can'd find that post of mine now. Would appreciate it if someonecould dig it out of personal archives and ship it to me. On a different vaccine-related list(no-forced-vaccinati onyahoogroups (DOT) com), there is a call for Congressto order even such a study in the US. I'd like to send them thecontents of the German study. Cordially, waterbuf2000@ ..., alias

Ambros .

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Ditto. My 6 year old unvaccinated grand daughter - the sister of two older ASD

kids (now recovered) is never sick, has never had antibiotics and according to

her pediatrician (Dr. Bob Sears) is the healthiest kid he knows - even healthier

than his own kids.

I think the most remarkable thing about her is not intellect as much as her

ability to see the world and gather information and make conclusion based on

that input.. In this respect she is leaps and bounds above her peers. To quote

some of her teachers " she asks some of the most thought provoking questions that

none of the other kids ask " . Unfortunately, I think we have " dumbed down " the

whole population of kids. We no longer know what " normal " is. She is what

normal should be but instead sticks out as " genius " .

There is a reason that we had to establish child labor law - kids back then

could actually attend to a task and work!

---- izvestiaca wrote:

> similar for me too. My Vax'd son used to be constantly ill, constant ear

infections, colds, somach flu's etc antibiotics like crazy and of course Autism.

My unvax'd daughter, the brightest thing I have ever met with a vocab better

than some adults I have met, at almost 4 has only had her 3rd bug, is around

kids all the time, never had a cold remedy nor antibiotics whereas son at same

age was in and out of doc office and hospital.

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>  Hello all,

>  

>  a couple of weeks ago, Stuttgart (Germany) hosted a

>  symposium of medical experts opposed to vaccination

>  from all over the world.  I followed its proceedings

>  on the Internet, all in German.  Much of it very

>  interesting and informative.  One of the most

>  interesting pieces of into -- a newsletter, the theme

>  of which is " Who's healthier, the vaccinated or the

>  unvaccinated. "   Again all in German.  I don't have

>  time to translate all of it but will translate a few

>  of the findings.  For those who have a reading

>  knowledge of German, here is the URL:

>  

>  http://www.impf- report.de/ jahrgang/ 2005/06.htm

>  

>  In an introductory note, the editor talks about the

>  derth of real studies as to " Who is healthier... ? " and

>  explains why both the medical establishment and the

>  pharma-industry have been dragging their feet re

>  conducting such studies.

>  

>  He ofers a list of such studies, a blurb for each with

>  the significant results and the URL that will take you

>  to the study itself.

>  

>  I have looked at some of the studies / surveys in all

>  their meticulous details.  Let's have a glance at some

>  of the results.  

>  

>  I am sure the results don't come as a surprise to most

>  of the people here.  What's interesting is that they

>  are so well documented and that the further tact that

>  the surveys were conducted outside North America.

>  Keep in mind though that what I am giving you are

>  summary results only.  The details are in the URLs.

>  

>  Salzburger Elternstudie (Survey of / by parents)

>  (2001-2005)   Results:

>  Unvaccinated children -- virtually no asthma;

>  vaccinated 1 in 10;

>  and three to five times less Neurodermatis. ...

>  http://www.impf- portal.de/ aktuell/fragebo/ fraboaus10. doc

>  

>  Englische Kohortenstudie (1988 - 1999)    Results:

>  Vaccninated children are up to 14 times more likely to

>  have asthma than the unvaccinated and up to nine times

>  more like to have skin problems.

>  http://www.impf- report.de/ jahrgang/ 2005/02.htm# 06

>  

>  Langzeitstudie in Guinea-Bissau    Results

>  The death rate for unvaccinated children is about half

>  that of the vaccinated.  [ungeimpfte Kinder haben im

>  Vergleich mit geimpften Kindern ein um die Hälfte

>  geringeres Sterberisiko]

>  http://www.ratio200 0.de/gesundheit/ news/news0104. htm

>  

>  Schwedische Studie an Waldorfschulen Results

>  Unvaccinated kids have a lower risk of allergies...

>  [ungeimpfte Kinder haben im Vergleich zu geimpften

>  Kindern ein geringeres Allergierisiko] .

>  http://www.waldorfl ibrary.org/ journal_articles /rb5103.pdf

>  

>  WHO-Feldversuch (field trials) in Indien (1968 - 1971)

>  Results

>  Unvaccinated kids are much less likely to get sick. On

>  the basis of this study, stopped recommending the

>  tuberculosis vaccination.  

>  

>  [ungeimpfte Personen haben im Vergleich zu Geimpften

>  ein erheblich geringeres Erkrankungsrisiko (aufgrund

>  dieser Studie wurde die Empfehlung der

>  Tuberkuloseimpfung in Deutschland zurückgenommen) ]

>  

>  Neuseeländische Umfrage (survey) (1992)

>  Unvaccinated kids are five times less likely to have

>  asthma than the vaccinated, 2.5 times less likely to

>  have skin problems and 8 times less likely to be

>  hyperactive.

>  http://www.ias. org.nz/prelim_ survey_results. htm

>  

>  All this in the April issue of the

>   " All-about-Vaccinat ion Newsletter

>  by Parents for Parents. " The March issue

>  <www.impf-report. de/erschienen. php

>  contains the detailed vaccination report.

>  

>  In conclusion, a question to Karaka re her post " What

>  causes autism...? "   If the Japanese have their share

>  of autism though the MMRs have been discontinued, can

>  it

>  be that Japanese kids get their mercury from sources

>  other than thimerosol-laced vaccine? From mercury-

>  laced fish, for instance?  After all, the Japanese

>  eat much fish.  Remember minamata....

>

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>  Does anyone remember?  Some (long) time ago I posted excerpts from a

> German study that showed unvaccinated kids were generally healthier,

> suffered less from allergy problems (virtually no asthma), were less

> vulnerable to infectious diseases than vaccinated kids.  I produced a

> summary translation of the study for those who don't know German.

> Can'd find that post of mine now.  Would appreciate it if someone

> could dig it out of personal archives and ship it to me.

>  

> On a different vaccine-related list

> (no-forced-vaccinati onyahoogroups (DOT) com), there is a call for Congress

> to order even such a study in the US.  I'd like to send them the

> contents of the German study.

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>

> Cordially,

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>  waterbuf2000@ ..., alias Ambros

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