Guest guest Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Re: dairy products-I think more people are lactose intolerant (especially these days) than know it and in general dairy products are the first to be eliminated when you are trying to cleanse. Even if not lactose-intolerant, dairy tends to " mucus " up your system. This may be a little too blunt, but when I used to overdo dairy (and I don't eat it anymore)my bathroom visits changed considerably-eliminations were looser, smellier, etc. The dairy definitely changes things in your body. It's not just the hormones. > > Has anyone read the book CLEAN? It is advertised on Facebook and sold on Amazon, about cleansing yourself from toxins. However I know there are some good books on this already. > > http://www.amazon.com/Clean-Revolutionary-Program-Restore-Natural/dp/0061735329/\ ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1261282516 & sr=1-1 > > Although book appears to have good rating by readers, which I don't know are valid neutral source or put their by author, never know about these, but this one felt that all one needed to do to detox was list she stated here. All familiar things except she/or he lists dairy products and I never have been able to figure out what is wrong with dairy products. If you get regular, you get hormones, etc in milk that were put into cows, but if you buy type made from cows without that, which is available, is there any reason to stay away from dairy. > > http://www.amazon.com/Clean-Revolutionary-Program-Restore-Natural/product-review\ s/0061735329/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_1?ie=UTF8 & showViewpoints=0 & filterBy=addOneStar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 I want to add a few things on dairy besides the mucus thing and growth hormones. Dairy is a very nutritious food for those who tolerate it. Some can tolerate raw milk, not available everywhere but if you live in Calif., Claravale milk is delicious. In any case, if you drink pasteurized milk, try to find milk that is only pasteurized and not homogenized, homogenization changes the fat in the milk, making it unhealthy (something like transfat?). The ultrapasteurization is also worse than pasteurization because it takes the milk up to a very high heat. And of course, organic and better yet grass fed is best. SOme people can tolerate goats milk but not cows milk. SOme people can tolerate fermented dairy but not fresh: yogurt, kefir. I have read that kefir actually starts to recolonize the gut with good bacteria vs yogurt which does not. If you have to go off dairy, you can make almond milk (get raw almonds at farmers market instead of the almonds sold in the store which thanks to our govt now have to be irradiated or treated with chemicals before sale), macadamia nuts, cashews, coconut... much better than the store bought nut milks that mostly come in tetra packs (not only poisonous to the environment but also to you, google tetra pack toxicity or health hazards or something and see what you get, I did this once and stopped buying stuff in tetra packs after that). I have heard that dairy and gluten cause the most food allergies because they are bigger more complex foods to break down at the particle level (don't remember if this is proteins or what), so if the gut isn't working optimally they don't break down all the way and partially digested pieces leak thru the intestinal wall (leaky gut) and eventually into the blood stream where they cause food allergies. You can have a dairy allergy, but you can also be lactose intolerant, or casein intolerant. I think if you are lactose intolerant you can still eat dairy in certain forms (fermented maybe, not sure). If you are casein intolerant you should just stay away from dairy. Anyway, dairy is complex, you can either choose to eliminate it for a while and see if it helps you, or experiment with dairy in different forms. My sick son goes on and off dairy all the time, a favorite food, he tests allergic to it, but eliminating it completely doesn't change his situation, I think because it is not the root cause of his problems...would he be better off avoiding it completely? YES since everything that you don't tolerate well adds to the total body burden. But, when you are lying in bed 24/7 without a life, the small pleasures matter. He eats it until he thinks it is stuffing him up way more than his usual, and then stops eating it for a while, and .... Sue >Re: dairy products-I think more people are lactose intolerant >(especially these days) than know it and in general dairy products are >the first to be eliminated when you are trying to cleanse. Even if not >lactose-intolerant, dairy tends to " mucus " up your system. This may be a >little too blunt, but when I used to overdo dairy (and I don't eat it >anymore)my bathroom visits changed considerably-eliminations were >looser, smellier, etc. The dairy definitely changes things in your body. >It's not just the hormones. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 I have not read the link you provided but what dairy does to the body is it causes congestion in the lymphatic system. If you are toxic for various reasons, you need to have a healthy lymphatic system to detox properly. Dairy also causes inflammation for alot of people. I have two friends that just went " vegan " and the first thing they noticed was their various aches and pains they had suffered from for years had disappeared. > > Has anyone read the book CLEAN? It is advertised on Facebook and sold on Amazon, about cleansing yourself from toxins. However I know there are some good books on this already. > > http://www.amazon.com/Clean-Revolutionary-Program-Restore-Natural/dp/0061735329/\ ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1261282516 & sr=1-1 > > Although book appears to have good rating by readers, which I don't know are valid neutral source or put their by author, never know about these, but this one felt that all one needed to do to detox was list she stated here. All familiar things except she/or he lists dairy products and I never have been able to figure out what is wrong with dairy products. If you get regular, you get hormones, etc in milk that were put into cows, but if you buy type made from cows without that, which is available, is there any reason to stay away from dairy. > > http://www.amazon.com/Clean-Revolutionary-Program-Restore-Natural/product-review\ s/0061735329/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_1?ie=UTF8 & showViewpoints=0 & filterBy=addOneStar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 I agree about the goat's milk. My daughter is very lactose-intolerant (she has Crohn's) and my son is too (he had weekly ear infections until I figured it out) but both can tolerate goat and sheep cheese products. I don't really know why but this is apparently true for most people. It was a life saver for my daughter because she became allergic to almonds at some point and I was trying to find calcium rich products for her. By the way, neither child's doctor agreed with me on this-but it worked. They, and I, were healthier after giving up dairy. Surella > > I want to add a few things on dairy besides the mucus thing and growth > hormones. > > Dairy is a very nutritious food for those who tolerate it. Some can > tolerate raw milk, not available everywhere but if you live in Calif., > Claravale milk is delicious. In any case, if you drink pasteurized > milk, try to find milk that is only pasteurized and not homogenized, > homogenization changes the fat in the milk, making it unhealthy > (something like transfat?). The ultrapasteurization is also worse than > pasteurization because it takes the milk up to a very high heat. And of > course, organic and better yet grass fed is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Does anyone know why lactose intolerant people can sometimes tolerate goats milk? From what I've read, goats milk has about 4/5 the lactose that cows milk has, so I imagine a lactose intolerant person couldn't deal with either. I seem to be ok with goats milk, but in my case all I know is that I tested positive for a milk allergy, so I may not be lactose intolerant. ita > > I agree about the goat's milk. My daughter is very lactose-intolerant (she has Crohn's) and my son is too (he had weekly ear infections until I figured it out) but both can tolerate goat and sheep cheese products. I don't really know why but this is apparently true for most people. It was a life saver for my daughter because she became allergic to almonds at some point and I was trying to find calcium rich products for her. > By the way, neither child's doctor agreed with me on this-but it worked. They, and I, were healthier after giving up dairy. > Surella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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