RE: blood clot

[Guest guest]

Hi Gail. I agree totally.

Someone asked me what to do for a blood clot in the knee. They are under a

doctors care but want to know what natural things they could do in addition to

what the doc is recommending.

I know there are natural things that dissolve blood clots, but my mind is

totally blank. I am wondering about bromelain.

Blessings

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

blood clot

Donna, I tried twice to respond to this but is not working

right for me today, so am trying to just post a message this way. My

concern about any blood clot, no matter where in the body, is that,

if not treated, they can travel to the heart/brain and cause instant

death.

[Guest guest]

sound advise Gail, I would not like to take too long sorting out a blood clots

either.

I think the answer lays in prevention, by keeping the blood clean. Using olis

such as flax, lechethin and evening primrose will do a good job at keeeping the

blood that way, along with

vit C, colliodal silver and garlic.

regards,

Mikhail

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--------- Original Message ---------

DATE: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:46:30

From: " wanda85929 " <wanda85929@...>

oxyplus

Cc:

Donna, I tried twice to respond to this but is not working

right for me today, so am trying to just post a message this way. My

concern about any blood clot, no matter where in the body, is that,

if not treated, they can travel to the heart/brain and cause instant

death. I know they have medication that they can give to dissolve

the clot (they gave some to Mike when he had his heart attack), but I

don't remember what the name of it is. I would assume they would

also give something like that to a clot in the leg, too. Ny niece

died from a blood clot in her leg that traveled. She was just a

young woman who had just given birth 6 months earlier to their second

son. It was a real shock to us all. This is serious stuff and I

don't know if there are any alternative methods as in herbs, etc.

that would be effective. They only herb that comes to my mind is

cayenne but still don't know if that would do the job. My advice is

don't play around with this. It might be too late, if you do. Gail

[Guest guest]

Well, I'll try and see if will let this go though. If so,

I'll comment more. gail

> Hi Gail. I agree totally.

>

> Someone asked me what to do for a blood clot in the knee. They are

under a doctors care but want to know what natural things they could

do in addition to what the doc is recommending.

>

> I know there are natural things that dissolve blood clots, but my

mind is totally blank. I am wondering about bromelain.

>

> Blessings

> Donna

> http://www.excellentthings.com

> blood clot

>

>

> Donna, I tried twice to respond to this but is not working

> right for me today, so am trying to just post a message this

way. My

> concern about any blood clot, no matter where in the body, is

that,

> if not treated, they can travel to the heart/brain and cause

instant

> death.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ok, great! got well. lol My question: What is the doctor

doing for the blood clot? If they still have it and he hasn't

dissolved it yet, they should find another doctor. I'm serious about

this. My niece was also under the care of a doctor when she died.

Blood clots usually will cause a lot of pain in the leg, if that is

where they are. She had a lot of pain, feet swelling. Finally, she

passed out at work. Then advanced to having siezures and dying. All

while under the care of a doctor.

As far as exercise is concerned. Again, you have to be very

careful. Mike had is first heart attack after a basketball game. It

was the the excertion of the exercising that broke loose the blood

clot causing the heart attack.

As the other list member mentioned prevenative is the best way to go,

but if it's already there, imo, find a doctor who will get rid of it

right away, then correct you lifestyle inorder to prevent more

clots.

I guess I'm much more close-minded when it comes to blood clots

because of the experiences we've had with them. I wouldn't waste

time with herbs/etc. or doctors who won't treat it aggressively. And

I don't think herbs and other alternative therapies are a waste of

time when done as a rule of thumb, but for a crisis do what you have

to do and do it now!

Hope everything goes ok for this person. Many people have blood

clots and are treated successfully and go on to have a good life. My

mom was one who had three in her leg, but the doctor took care of

them. Can't remember what he did (it was so long ago), but do

remember he making the comment, " he was going fishing for clots. "

That news reporter covering the war was not so lucky. I can't

remember his name, tho. Seems like it was Bloom. His blood clot was

from blood pulling to the legs from the flight over and also riding

on that mobile he was on over the desert for days at a time. He left

behind a beautiful wife and children. Just wouldn't want to see

another death when it is preventable.

Ok, I'll quit preaching.

Gail

> Hi Gail. I agree totally.

>

> Someone asked me what to do for a blood clot in the knee. They are

under a doctors care but want to know what natural things they could

do in addition to what the doc is recommending.

>

> I know there are natural things that dissolve blood clots, but my

mind is totally blank. I am wondering about bromelain.

>

> Blessings

> Donna

> http://www.excellentthings.com

> blood clot

>

>

> Donna, I tried twice to respond to this but is not working

> right for me today, so am trying to just post a message this

way. My

> concern about any blood clot, no matter where in the body, is

that,

> if not treated, they can travel to the heart/brain and cause

instant

> death.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

OK What would you think of this. I have stinosis or narrowing of the spinal

column. It

has progressed to a pain in the right buttock and pins and needles frequently

all the way

down to the foot. Today I noticed the P & N even as I sat still and drove. They

came and

went. Circulation has been mentioned is why I am asking in a thread about

clots. I have

had one carotid artery cleaned out after a mini stroke. I am on many meds.

On 16 Oct 2003 at 20:46, wanda85929 wrote:

>

> Ok, great! got well. lol My question: What is the doctor

> doing for the blood clot? If they still have it and he hasn't

> dissolved it yet, they should find another doctor. I'm serious about

> this. My niece was also under the care of a doctor when she died.

> Blood clots usually will cause a lot of pain in the leg, if that is

> where they are. She had a lot of pain, feet swelling. Finally, she

> passed out at work. Then advanced to having siezures and dying. All

> while under the care of a doctor.

>

> As far as exercise is concerned. Again, you have to be very

> careful. Mike had is first heart attack after a basketball game. It

> was the the excertion of the exercising that broke loose the blood

> clot causing the heart attack.

>

> As the other list member mentioned prevenative is the best way to go,

> but if it's already there, imo, find a doctor who will get rid of it

> right away, then correct you lifestyle inorder to prevent more clots.

>

>

> I guess I'm much more close-minded when it comes to blood clots

> because of the experiences we've had with them. I wouldn't waste time

> with herbs/etc. or doctors who won't treat it aggressively. And I

> don't think herbs and other alternative therapies are a waste of time

> when done as a rule of thumb, but for a crisis do what you have to do

> and do it now!

>

> Hope everything goes ok for this person. Many people have blood clots

> and are treated successfully and go on to have a good life. My mom

> was one who had three in her leg, but the doctor took care of them.

> Can't remember what he did (it was so long ago), but do remember he

> making the comment, " he was going fishing for clots. " That news

> reporter covering the war was not so lucky. I can't remember his

> name, tho. Seems like it was Bloom. His blood clot was from blood

> pulling to the legs from the flight over and also riding on that

> mobile he was on over the desert for days at a time. He left behind a

> beautiful wife and children. Just wouldn't want to see another death

> when it is preventable.

>

> Ok, I'll quit preaching.

>

> Gail

> >

> Hi Gail. I agree totally. > > Someone asked me what to do for a blood

> clot in the knee. They are under a doctors care but want to know what

> natural things they could do in addition to what the doc is

> recommending. > > I know there are natural things that dissolve blood

> clots, but my mind is totally blank. I am wondering about bromelain.

> > > Blessings > Donna > http://www.excellentthings.com > -----

> Original Message ----- > From: wanda85929 > To:

> oxyplus > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:46 AM

> > Subject: blood clot > > > Donna, I tried twice to

> respond to this but is not working > right for me today, so am

> trying to just post a message this way. My > concern about any

> blood clot, no matter where in the body, is that, > if not treated,

> they can travel to the heart/brain and cause instant > death. > > >

>

[Guest guest]

Gail, I am truly sorry to hear about your experiences with blood clots.

While I don't share your faith in doctor's ability to " dissolve " clots safely, I

do think that this may be one of those few times that you may want to visit

doctor. Having said that, a clot would still dissolve slowly, going from large

to smaller and may move as soon as it becomes small;; enough to become unstuck.

Also, there are many great herbs that can do as good a job with dissolving

without the negative side effects. Unfortunately, I don't remember which are

the best but a good herbal guy/gal will.

My Dad also had many clots from his legs get loose and they took care of him

but, also, I don't remember with what.

Finally, regarding Bloom, there is a strong possibility that his was partially

caused by all those vaccines they had so close together before going to the

Middle East, Several servicemen have died from similar clots causing the

suspicion that it could be a combination of factors including those huge numbers

of vaccines which Bloom received as well.

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI)

San Diego, CA 92106-2424

IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with

developmental difficulties.

To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104

[Guest guest]

Hi Sonja,

I'm sorry to hear about your dad's condition.

Flaxseed Oil helps to thin the blood. I don't know about the other

items on your list. One thing that your dad could do regarding the

hospital food is avoid eating the butter or whatever artificial

" butter " they serve to him. He could order a vegetarian menu if the

hospital has it or you could take a freshly made carrot salad,

broccoli salad, or cole slaw, etc. to him. I say freshly made because

the idea is to get the enzymes, which don't last long. Also, your

family could take raw fruits and vegetables to him each day (if he

will eat them). Bad fats can cause problems in the blood and body.

Besides the butter, he should also avoid white flour and desserts

which would have unhealthy fats and sugar.

The best flaxseed oil is the refrigerated liquid as opposed to the

capsules. Your family could take a container of flaxseed oil in an

ice chest, as it needs to stay cold. Give him a couple tbs of it

several times a day if possible. Take the ice chest with the oil back

home and refrigerate the oil until you return the next day.

I hope some of these ideas are helpful,

Sandy

Stc24@a... wrote:

Yesterday, Daddy was hospitalized with a blood clot in his leg. It

> is impossible to control his diet while he's there which should be

> about three days. He has pancreatic cancer IV and has been on a

> special diet of vegs and herbs. He is taking:

> Greens Plus > Greens today > Regeneration > flax oil

> thisile > cescuium > twin labs colon care

> Glucobalance > Beta Plus

> And a couple of things I can't remember right now. Would any of

this cause the blood clot in his leg. I hope we are doing the right

things for him. Please guide me. > Thanks, >

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear about Dad, , however people get blood clots that have

never taken a 'supplement' in their lives.

While he is there under 'their' care there is not much you can be doing for

him, however, do some research on Nattokinase and perhaps there will be

something that can be done re clots.

I wish dad and you well.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/13/2006 11:37:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, sashaw11@... writes:

Has anyone had a blood clot after their TKR? I'm 4 wks out fromhaving a revision done. Saturday I notice a red

I thought I had one a week after my surgery....my ankle swelled up and my calf hurt...they rushed me over to the hospital for a vascular ultrasound, but all was normal! Just some post-op swelling....Yours doesn't sound like a clot, but I'm sure they will take no chances and get it checked out right away....

Keep us posted!

[Guest guest]

Shirley,

I had one after my TKR. My situation was 3 days post op and I had severe pain. Nothing else. Let me know if you need anything else answered about it. But my first thought is if you think you have a blood clot, you should see a dr. immediately. That is nothing to fool around with.

Regards, Joy

-- blood clot

Has anyone had a blood clot after their TKR? I'm 4 wks out fromhaving a revision done. Saturday I notice a red area at the top partof the scar.(above the knee)It is red,hard and hot. Today it hurts to touch it. I see my OStomorrow but I'm almost sure it a clot. It also hurts to walk on my leg.Shirley

[Guest guest]

I don't think you should wait. If it is a blood clot and travels to

the heart you know what happens. Call your doctor and and tell them

what is happening.

On Nov 13, 2006, at 8:23 PM, Shirley Garrison wrote:

> Has anyone had a blood clot after their TKR? I'm 4 wks out from

> having a revision done. Saturday I notice a red area at the top part

> of the scar.(above the knee)

> It is red,hard and hot. Today it hurts to touch it. I see my OS

> tomorrow but I'm almost sure it a clot. It also hurts to walk on my

> leg.

>

> Shirley

>

>

" If you are all wrapped up in yourself, you are overdressed. "

[Guest guest]

Seen doctor today of course the redness was down. That spot wasn't worried about but did have another that I have to watch. Shirley Re: blood clotI don't think you should wait. If it is a blood clot and travels to the heart you know what happens. Call your doctor and and tell them what is

happening.On Nov 13, 2006, at 8:23 PM, Shirley Garrison wrote:> Has anyone had a blood clot after their TKR? I'm 4 wks out from> having a revision done. Saturday I notice a red area at the top part> of the scar.(above the knee)> It is red,hard and hot. Today it hurts to touch it. I see my OS> tomorrow but I'm almost sure it a clot. It also hurts to walk on my > leg.>> Shirley>> "If you are all wrapped up in yourself, you are overdressed."<bold>I don't think you should wait. If it is a blood clot andtravels to the heart you know what happens. Call your doctor and andtell them what is happening.On Nov 13, 2006, at 8:23 PM, Shirley Garrison

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[Guest guest]

So glad you went to the doctor. You needed to.

On Nov 14, 2006, at 2:02 PM, SHIRLEY Shaw wrote:

> Seen doctor today of course the redness was down. That spot wasn't

> worried about but did have another that I have to watch.

>

> Shirley

>

> Re: blood clot

>

> I don't think you should wait.  If it is a blood clot and travels to

> the heart you know what happens.  Call your doctor and  and tell them

> what is happening.

> On Nov 13, 2006, at 8:23 PM, Shirley Garrison wrote:

>

> > Has anyone had a blood clot after their TKR? I'm 4 wks out from

> >  having a revision done. Saturday I notice a red area at the top part

> >  of the scar.(above the knee)

> >  It is red,hard and hot. Today it hurts to touch it. I see my OS

> >  tomorrow but I'm almost sure it a clot. It also hurts to walk on my

> > leg.

> >

> >  Shirley

> >

> >

> " If you are all wrapped up in yourself, you are overdressed. "

> <bold>I don't think you should wait.  If it is a blood clot and

> travels to the heart you know what happens.  Call your doctor and  and

> tell them what is happening.

>

> On Nov 13, 2006, at 8:23 PM, Shirley Garrison wrote:

>

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" If God brings you to it He will bring you through it. "

[Guest guest]

It does not sound like a blood clot. It does sound

like an infection. I'm glad you are seeing your doctor

tomorrow

Larry

Has anyone had a blood clot

after their TKR? I'm 4 wks out from

having a revision done. Saturday I notice a red area at the top part

of the scar.(above the knee)

It is red,hard and hot. Today it hurts to touch it. I see my OS

tomorrow but I'm almost sure it a clot. It also hurts to walk on my

leg.

Shirley

[Guest guest]

At 02:02 PM 11/14/2006 -0800, you wrote:

Seen doctor today of course the

redness was down. That spot wasn't worried about but did have another

that I have to watch.

Glad you went and it was nothing! WHAT a relief!

Keep us posted on the other one...

Anni

[Guest guest]

Kay:

Very true. If you are a wheel chair user always try to do some exercise

walking. You don't have to walk a marathon just back and forth your hallway a

couple times a week. I use my motor chair because of my son and always do some

walking when my husband comes home. Walking also helps with stiffness and

flexibility too.

Marin

[Guest guest]

I was worried about a blood clot because my right ankle would swell due to

injuring it a few times. Soon it was my foot, ankle and my whole leg then

the other leg from inactivity. Dr wanted me on a water pill but since I

won't take anything unless I'm dying and it will save me, he said to try herbs.

I researched and learned that celery and onions do the trick and by golly

the research was right. Celery (organic) and onions and garlic have organic

sulfer that our bodies need. It keeps our blood from clotting and our

jionts lubricated. Not to mention the magnesium ( the enzyme faciilitater ),so

the body can actually use nutrients but potassium and other minerals we

need to constantly replace. I eat it every day. I haven't had any problems.

Without magnesium we can't absorb vitamin d, calcium, potassium, zinc,

copper and c, or probably not much of anything. Without it we get a poor

immune system and things like cancer and heart failure.

I hope you eat a lot of fish and organic fruits and veggies Kay or

take some good supplements. Since you're on coumadin though you'll have to

have your vitamin K monitered. And watch your bones and tissues and cells

and everything because it eats you up. I watched my mama get one health

problem after another.

I will continue to say prayers for you. Keep up the that great aditude! You

are amazing!

In a message dated 4/19/2009 7:41:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

omega@... writes:

Hello again!

This last Friday I had a ultra-sound done on my legs...they found a blood

clot.

Being in a wheel chair, and not moving legs enough... is what can causes

them.

I'm now on Coumadin and Lovenox.

My poor body has gone from no drugs to rat poison... Wow!

Keep your legs moving!!!

Wishing you all well...

Kay

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[Guest guest]

Hi Kay!

I've had blood clots that recur in my legs for over 30 years. (They started when

I was 21) I've been on Coumadin for over 10 years steady now. Every time I have

needed surgery, I've been put on Lovenox (self-injection in the stomach is no

picnic!) before and after. My heart goes out to you. Now in addition to

everything else you are going through you have to deal with this...you are so

strong Kay. They should take you off the Lovenox once you have a

therapeutic INR.

Wiggle and flex your ankles as best you can as often as you can. Laying down,

try to get the back of your knees to touch the mattress. These motions all help

keep the blood pumping in your legs to avoid future clots.

Although they are a pain in the neck to wear during the summer especially, I

hope your doc prescribes the medical support hosiery for you. Wearing them

really does ease the swelling, the pain and helps ward off future clots.

Good Luck

>

> Hello again!

>

> This last Friday I had a ultra-sound done on my legs...they found a blood

clot.

>

> Being in a wheel chair, and not moving legs enough... is what can causes

> them.

>

> I'm now on Coumadin and Lovenox.

>

> My poor body has gone from no drugs to rat poison... Wow!

>

> Keep your legs moving!!!

>

> Wishing you all well...

>

> Kay

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kay,

 

Wow, another challenge!  So sorry to hear that.

 

When I had my hip replacement, they used machines on my legs that squeezed the

calves every few seconds to prevent blood clots in the legs for several days

after the surgery.  I don't know what the machine is called, but it's commonly

used in some orthopedic surgeries.  I don't think it's common practice for it to

be used in breast surgery, but perhaps you should ask them for it.  It seems it

would be indicated based on your lower leg weakness and prior history of a

clot.  May want to ask the doc about it.  Perhaps it can be used to provide you

extra protection after the surgery.

 

Also, may want to mention the coumadin/lovenox to the breast surgeon, so he can

tell you exactly how many days before the surgery he wants you to discontinue

each.  Also, vitamin E can cause excess bleeding with surgery, so it's good to

discontinue this before the surgery too, if you're taking any.

 

It's always important to be our own advocate in health situations, but when one

has multiple conditions like you do now, it's even more important to make sure

all the docs know what's going on with all of you so they can take the best care

of you.

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you Judy for your suggestions,

Have a great day!

Kay

[Guest guest]

Thank you ...very good things for me to do!

Kay

[Guest guest]

Hi !

Every time I read your posts I'm in ah of your knowledge...

You are such a gift to this group...an angel ;-)

Thank you for your suggestions!

Kay

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Re: blood clot

Hi Kay,

Wow, another challenge! So sorry to hear that.

When I had my hip replacement, they used machines on my legs that squeezed

the calves every few seconds to prevent blood clots in the legs for several

days after the surgery. I don't know what the machine is called, but it's

commonly used in some orthopedic surgeries. I don't think it's common

practice for it to be used in breast surgery, but perhaps you should ask

them for it. It seems it would be indicated based on your lower leg

weakness and prior history of a clot. May want to ask the doc about it.

Perhaps it can be used to provide you extra protection after the surgery.

Also, may want to mention the coumadin/lovenox to the breast surgeon, so

he can tell you exactly how many days before the surgery he wants you to

discontinue each. Also, vitamin E can cause excess bleeding with surgery,

so it's good to discontinue this before the surgery too, if you're taking

any.

It's always important to be our own advocate in health situations, but

when one has multiple conditions like you do now, it's even more important

to make sure all the docs know what's going on with all of you so they can

take the best care of you.