Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 I think there looks like something really fishy about this. Merck suddendly announced a few days ago they will no longer produce monovalents for MMR, and a few days after the announcement docs can't purchase them - ANYWHERE? Manufacturer Stops Sales of Monovalents for Measles, Mumps, Rubella By 12/24/2008 http://www.aafp.org/online/en/home/publications/news/news-now/clinical- care-research/20081224merckcombo.html or http://tinyurl.com/8huffb > > I have a parent asking for information on separating the MMR. She has a > premie and her pediatrician has been willing right through to separate > vaccines. However he went to order it from Merk and they claim to no longer > sell them because not enough people are ordering them. Anyone know anything > about this? And are they still places this mom and others can aquire them? > Thanks, Chapman > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 what about Hopewell Pharmacy in NJ?ALison M -------------- Original message ---------------------- > I have a parent asking for information on separating the MMR. She has a > premie and her pediatrician has been willing right through to separate > vaccines. However he went to order it from Merk and they claim to no longer > sell them because not enough people are ordering them. Anyone know anything > about this? And are they still places this mom and others can aquire them? > Thanks, Chapman > I have a parent asking for information on separating the MMR. She has a premie and her pediatrician has been willing right through to separate vaccines. However he went to order it from Merk and they claim to no longer sell them because not enough people are ordering them. Anyone know anything about this? And are they still places this mom and others can aquire them? Thanks, Chapman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Already sent her there, they don't do it anymore and neither does Lee Silsby. There's another pharmacy close to Lee Silsby that sells measles and rubella but not Mumps. This is not a mother of a child with autism but she has a preemie. I get a lot of e-mails from GR of parents trying to be proactive and reduce risk. My number one recommendation is to separate MMR as well as only getting one vaccine at a time. I don't even know what to say about this nonsense. From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of DavAliNee@... Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 3:50 PM To: EOHarm Subject: Re: MMR sold separately? what about Hopewell Pharmacy in NJ?ALison M -------------- Original message ---------------------- > I have a parent asking for information on separating the MMR. She has a > premie and her pediatrician has been willing right through to separate > vaccines. However he went to order it from Merk and they claim to no longer > sell them because not enough people are ordering them. Anyone know anything > about this? And are they still places this mom and others can aquire them? > Thanks, Chapman > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Maybe there was a problem with a batch and they are trying to cover it up? - On 12/29/08 3:18 PM, " searchingforserenity111 " wrote: I think there looks like something really fishy about this. Merck suddendly announced a few days ago they will no longer produce monovalents for MMR, and a few days after the announcement docs can't purchase them - ANYWHERE? Manufacturer Stops Sales of Monovalents for Measles, Mumps, Rubella By 12/24/2008 http://www.aafp.org/online/en/home/publications/news/news-now/clinical- care-research/20081224merckcombo.html or http://tinyurl.com/8huffb > > I have a parent asking for information on separating the MMR. She has a > premie and her pediatrician has been willing right through to separate > vaccines. However he went to order it from Merk and they claim to no longer > sell them because not enough people are ordering them. Anyone know anything > about this? And are they still places this mom and others can aquire them? > Thanks, Chapman > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 well, in a choice of all or nothing-may I suggest nothing. M Subject: RE: MMR sold separately?To: EOHarm Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 4:08 PM Already sent her there, they don't do it anymore and neither does Lee Silsby. There's another pharmacy close to Lee Silsby that sells measles and rubella but not Mumps. This is not a mother of a child with autism but she has a preemie. I get a lot of e-mails from GR of parents trying to be proactive and reduce risk. My number one recommendation is to separate MMR as well as only getting one vaccine at a time. I don't even know what to say about this nonsense. From: EOHarmyahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:EOHarm@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of DavAliNeecomcast (DOT) netSent: Monday, December 29, 2008 3:50 PMTo: EOHarmyahoogroups (DOT) comSubject: Re: MMR sold separately? what about Hopewell Pharmacy in NJ?ALison M------------ -- Original message ------------ --------- -From: "Chap'N'Alli" <chapnallicomcast (DOT) net>> I have a parent asking for information on separating the MMR. She has a> premie and her pediatrician has been willing right through to separate> vaccines. However he went to order it from Merk and they claim to no longer> sell them because not enough people are ordering them. Anyone know anything> about this? And are they still places this mom and others can aquire them?> Thanks, Chapman> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Could be - or maybe there was starting to be a problem with the rates of ASD going down for those on an alternative vaccine schedule - wonder if certain alternative vax schedule docs were starting to notice a trend? Can't have too many kids with alternative vaxes available because then there might be some data to review. > >> > > >> > I have a parent asking for information on separating the MMR. She > > has a > >> > premie and her pediatrician has been willing right through to separate > >> > vaccines. However he went to order it from Merk and they claim to no > > longer > >> > sell them because not enough people are ordering them. Anyone know > > anything > >> > about this? And are they still places this mom and others can aquire > > them? > >> > Thanks, Chapman > >> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 It's disgusting. For a preemie measles, mumps and rubella are not diseases I'd be terrified about, I'd skip 'em and look at it again later when the single vacs may be available. As I understand it; measles unlikely to catch but shouldn't be life threatening anyway, mumps even more unlikely and isn't that most important for boys just before puberty, and Rubella (is that active at all now?)What if every mom said I will only do MMR separately.Let me know when you get 'em in - then maybe the peds would send the pressure back to their drug suppliers? Wait a minute, I must have just had a mini stroke, a pediatrician being assertive and proactive like that, what was I thinking......my kids both got all MMR and I'll bet neither has titers for it, both were born 1 month early.Alison M --------- Re: MMR sold separately? what about Hopewell Pharmacy in NJ?ALison M -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: " Chap'N'Alli " <chapnallicomcast (DOT) net> > I have a parent asking for information on separating the MMR. She has a > premie and her pediatrician has been willing right through to separate > vaccines. However he went to order it from Merk and they claim to no longer > sell them because not enough people are ordering them. Anyone know anything > about this? And are they still places this mom and others can aquire them? > Thanks, Chapman > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 I second that. From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Maurine Meleck Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 4:37 PM To: EOHarm Subject: RE: MMR sold separately? well, in a choice of all or nothing-may I suggest nothing. M From: Chap'N'Alli Subject: RE: MMR sold separately? To: EOHarm Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 4:08 PM Already sent her there, they don't do it anymore and neither does Lee Silsby. There's another pharmacy close to Lee Silsby that sells measles and rubella but not Mumps. This is not a mother of a child with autism but she has a preemie. I get a lot of e-mails from GR of parents trying to be proactive and reduce risk. My number one recommendation is to separate MMR as well as only getting one vaccine at a time. I don't even know what to say about this nonsense. From: EOHarmyahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:EOHarm@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of DavAliNeecomcast (DOT) net Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 3:50 PM To: EOHarmyahoogroups (DOT) com Subject: Re: MMR sold separately? what about Hopewell Pharmacy in NJ?ALison M ------------ -- Original message ------------ --------- - From: " Chap'N'Alli " <chapnallicomcast (DOT) net> > I have a parent asking for information on separating the MMR. She has a > premie and her pediatrician has been willing right through to separate > vaccines. However he went to order it from Merk and they claim to no longer > sell them because not enough people are ordering them. Anyone know anything > about this? And are they still places this mom and others can aquire them? > Thanks, Chapman > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Well, I choose nothing anymore for myself and my children. However this is an issue of choice and the removal of it. I never tell anyone to vaccinate or not. I just give them information to inform them and tell them to pay particular attetion to their child and his/hers reactions. Vaccinating is a personal decision and if I scream, " DON'T, what happened to my son is going to happen to yours!! " I would be playing the same kind of fear tactics as those screaming vaccinate no matter what without exemption or the disease will get you. We as a community are fighting for our rights to choose. The choices of friends of mine, who want to vaccinate but saw what happened to my son, wish to do it safer, no longer can. This is unacceptable to me. - From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:02 PM To: EOHarm Subject: RE: MMR sold separately? I second that. From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Maurine Meleck Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 4:37 PM To: EOHarm Subject: RE: MMR sold separately? well, in a choice of all or nothing-may I suggest nothing. M From: Chap'N'Alli Subject: RE: MMR sold separately? To: EOHarm Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 4:08 PM Already sent her there, they don't do it anymore and neither does Lee Silsby. There's another pharmacy close to Lee Silsby that sells measles and rubella but not Mumps. This is not a mother of a child with autism but she has a preemie. I get a lot of e-mails from GR of parents trying to be proactive and reduce risk. My number one recommendation is to separate MMR as well as only getting one vaccine at a time. I don't even know what to say about this nonsense. From: EOHarmyahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:EOHarm@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of DavAliNeecomcast (DOT) net Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 3:50 PM To: EOHarmyahoogroups (DOT) com Subject: Re: MMR sold separately? what about Hopewell Pharmacy in NJ?ALison M ------------ -- Original message ------------ --------- - From: " Chap'N'Alli " <chapnallicomcast (DOT) net> > I have a parent asking for information on separating the MMR. She has a > premie and her pediatrician has been willing right through to separate > vaccines. However he went to order it from Merk and they claim to no longer > sell them because not enough people are ordering them. Anyone know anything > about this? And are they still places this mom and others can aquire them? > Thanks, Chapman > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Try Wellness Pharmacy - they may still have some in stock. www.wellnesshealth.com > > I have a parent asking for information on separating the MMR. She has a > premie and her pediatrician has been willing right through to separate > vaccines. However he went to order it from Merk and they claim to no longer > sell them because not enough people are ordering them. Anyone know anything > about this? And are they still places this mom and others can aquire them? > Thanks, Chapman > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Did these families try a compounding pharmacy?Lee Silsby or Hopewell Pharmacy? http://www.leesilsby.com/ http://www.hopewellrx.com/ If they are no longer being manufactured I believe this would be some sort of control tactic. Or possibly a thought that if parents start separating the shots, get smart, and the rates of disabilities starts declining, guess who the finger now points to? Not very bright IMO, parents just won't vaccinate at all now. And these are the people who are supposed to be SMART. That's smart alright. TZ Subject: Re: MMR sold separately?To: EOHarm Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 8:18 PM I think there looks like something really fishy about this. Merck suddendly announced a few days ago they will no longer produce monovalents for MMR, and a few days after the announcement docs can't purchase them - ANYWHERE?Manufacturer Stops Sales of Monovalents for Measles, Mumps, RubellaBy 12/24/2008http://www.aafp. org/online/ en/home/publicat ions/news/ news-now/ clinical-care-research/ 20081224merckcom bo.htmlorhttp://tinyurl. com/8huffb>> I have a parent asking for information on separating the MMR. She has a> premie and her pediatrician has been willing right through to separate> vaccines. However he went to order it from Merk and they claim to no longer> sell them because not enough people are ordering them. Anyone know anything> about this? And are they still places this mom and others can aquire them?> Thanks, Chapman> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 as reported earlier in a post, these pharmacies no longer offer the separate ones. M From: searchingforserenit y111 <searchingforserenit y111yahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Re: MMR sold separately?To: EOHarmyahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Monday, December 29, 2008, 8:18 PM I think there looks like something really fishy about this. Merck suddendly announced a few days ago they will no longer produce monovalents for MMR, and a few days after the announcement docs can't purchase them - ANYWHERE?Manufacturer Stops Sales of Monovalents for Measles, Mumps, RubellaBy 12/24/2008http://www.aafp. org/online/ en/home/publicat ions/news/ news-now/ clinical-care-research/ 20081224merckcom bo.htmlorhttp://tinyurl. com/8huffb>> I have a parent asking for information on separating the MMR. She has a> premie and her pediatrician has been willing right through to separate> vaccines. However he went to order it from Merk and they claim to no longer> sell them because not enough people are ordering them. Anyone know anything> about this? And are they still places this mom and others can aquire them?> Thanks, Chapman> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 I think there is a problem with all of their batches.. Candyce Re: MMR sold separately? Could be - or maybe there was starting to be a problem with the rates of ASD going down for those on an alternative vaccine schedule - wonder if certain alternative vax schedule docs were starting to notice a trend? Can't have too many kids with alternative vaxes available because then there might be some data to review. > >> >> >> > I have a parent asking for information on separating the MMR. She> > has a> >> > premie and her pediatrician has been willing right through to separate> >> > vaccines. However he went to order it from Merk and they claim to no> > longer> >> > sell them because not enough people are ordering them. Anyone know> > anything> >> > about this? And are they still places this mom and others can aquire> > them?> >> > Thanks, Chapman> >> >> > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 I think this sounds a bit too strange, as the announcement about the no-longer availability of monovalents comes at the same time (in association, perhaps "coincidentally") as the so-called "debate" about the alternative vaccine schedule which was mentioned in the news very recently. To me, it looks like the AAP is slamming the door shut and will not be engaging in any sort of meaningful "debate" on that subject. ;-( Aasa Subject: Re: Re: MMR sold separately?To: EOHarm Received: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 3:56 AM I think there is a problem with all of their batches.. Candyce Re: MMR sold separately? Could be - or maybe there was starting to be a problem with the rates of ASD going down for those on an alternative vaccine schedule - wonder if certain alternative vax schedule docs were starting to notice a trend? Can't have too many kids with alternative vaxes available because then there might be some data to review. > >> >> >> > I have a parent asking for information on separating the MMR. She> > has a> >> > premie and her pediatrician has been willing right through to separate> >> > vaccines. However he went to order it from Merk and they claim to no> > longer> >> > sell them because not enough people are ordering them. Anyone know> > anything> >> > about this? And are they still places this mom and others can aquire> > them?> >> > Thanks, Chapman> >> >> > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Hey guys, I remember there being an article in a British paper that there was a shortage of the single shots of MMR, the reason being that the major supplier (I believe Merck) had decided to stop production on the single vaccine for 12 months. The reason...you guessed it, cashola. Here is the link http://www.prweek.com/uk/sectors/publicsector/article/832585/on-agenda-depleting\ - stocks-mmr-vaccine/ I hope your friend can hold on a bit longer!! - > > > Subject: RE: MMR sold separately? > To: EOHarm > Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 4:08 PM > > Already sent her there, they don't do it anymore and neither does Lee > Silsby. There's another pharmacy close to Lee Silsby that sells measles and > rubella but not Mumps. This is not a mother of a child with autism but she > has a preemie. I get a lot of e-mails from GR of parents trying to be > proactive and reduce risk. My number one recommendation is to separate MMR > as well as only getting one vaccine at a time. I don't even know what to > say about this nonsense. > > > > From: EOHarmyahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:EOHarm@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of > DavAliNeecomcast (DOT) net > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 3:50 PM > To: EOHarmyahoogroups (DOT) com > Subject: Re: MMR sold separately? > > > > what about Hopewell Pharmacy in NJ?ALison M > ------------ -- Original message ------------ --------- - > From: " Chap'N'Alli " <chapnallicomcast (DOT) net <mailto:chapnalli%40comcast.net> > > > > I have a parent asking for information on separating the MMR. She has a > > premie and her pediatrician has been willing right through to separate > > vaccines. However he went to order it from Merk and they claim to no > longer > > sell them because not enough people are ordering them. Anyone know > anything > > about this? And are they still places this mom and others can aquire them? > > Thanks, Chapman > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 At 04:08 PM 12/29/2008, you wrote: >Already sent her there, they don't do it anymore and neither does >Lee Silsby. There's another pharmacy close to Lee Silsby that sells >measles and rubella but not Mumps. This is not a mother of a child >with autism but she has a preemie. I get a lot of e-mails from GR of >parents trying to be proactive and reduce risk. My number one >recommendation is to separate MMR as well as only getting one >vaccine at a time. I don't even know what to say about this nonsense. How do you know you are reducing risk? I have just posted some of the dangers of single measles vaccines - the same for rubella and measles. The key is to learn the reality of these diseases and that vaccines do NOT GIVE immunity I encourage you to let all know these things. I encourage to research the reality of those diseases Is a girl child at risk for problems from mumps? For that matter is a boy - rarely does it affect the testicles and even MORE rarely, both testicles, and even MORE rarely sterility (in teens or adults) Is an infant girl at risk for problems with rubella? No...........it is a mild disease - if you want to worry about it for when she get's pregnant, you have a long time Is a boy at risk at all for problems with rubella disease? NO Is a child at risk with measles - please read the reality. Everyone got the measles, including myself, all my family, all my cousins, all my school mates and all my ancestors. All were just fine. The seriousness of measles has been INCREASED SINCE the vaccine was developed So is there a need for MMR at all or any of the separate ones? Does it actually work or just inject a chronic case of the illness so you can't get an acute case, leaving more problems in its wake. Those parents of autistic children who saw the problems come right after the vaccine, would take the chance (and there really isn't much chance of damage) on measles any time at this point. We have traded an acute, relatively harmless in most well-nourished children, disease for a plethora of chronic illness. Not a good trade in my opinion. I suggest that if your child gets measles and there are concerns that a homeopath is able to work very nicely , in most cases with the child, and help then through any rough spots,. Homeopathy is very individual and depends on the particular symptoms that are unique to your child - that is what determines the remedy For more info on how a homeopath works see http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Weigh all the factors And remember all the effects of MMR and other vaccines are not always known immediately. And certainly some children are more susceptible to problems than others. The problem is how to know if this child is or isn't. Russian roulette I have seen children & adults damaged, with autism or death, from each of the single vaccines that are out there; live vaccines or killed vaccnies. All vaccines are dangerous. There is NO evidence that they work as they say they do - provide immunity as the disease would. There is so much more to this than MMR........that is the tip of the iceberg. There are concerns that all the mercury laden vaccines that are given before the MMR lay the groundwork of damage and some develop autism, damage or death from any of those alone and others it takes the MMR to put them over the age (and this could be any vaccine). Certainly combining 3 live vaccines is very stupid - vets see this with animals all the time and animal vaccine researchers know this to be true, too. But that does not mean singles are safe. Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers & Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start in January 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Sheri, I entirely agree with you. However I do not make it a habit of telling them what to do, or at least I try not to. These are people who do not have children on the spectrum, aren't antivaccine and want another choice. My son is evidence of all that you say and it breaks my heart everyday. This is about a decision they are making for their own children, they inform themselves of all of the risks and are aware of both sides of the issue. Unfortunately the choice has now been taken from them. I do appreciate all of the information you post and I will pass it on to them. - From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Sheri Nakken Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:38 AM To: EOHarm Subject: RE: MMR sold separately? At 04:08 PM 12/29/2008, you wrote: >Already sent her there, they don't do it anymore and neither does >Lee Silsby. There's another pharmacy close to Lee Silsby that sells >measles and rubella but not Mumps. This is not a mother of a child >with autism but she has a preemie. I get a lot of e-mails from GR of >parents trying to be proactive and reduce risk. My number one >recommendation is to separate MMR as well as only getting one >vaccine at a time. I don't even know what to say about this nonsense. How do you know you are reducing risk? I have just posted some of the dangers of single measles vaccines - the same for rubella and measles. The key is to learn the reality of these diseases and that vaccines do NOT GIVE immunity I encourage you to let all know these things. I encourage to research the reality of those diseases Is a girl child at risk for problems from mumps? For that matter is a boy - rarely does it affect the testicles and even MORE rarely, both testicles, and even MORE rarely sterility (in teens or adults) Is an infant girl at risk for problems with rubella? No...........it is a mild disease - if you want to worry about it for when she get's pregnant, you have a long time Is a boy at risk at all for problems with rubella disease? NO Is a child at risk with measles - please read the reality. Everyone got the measles, including myself, all my family, all my cousins, all my school mates and all my ancestors. All were just fine. The seriousness of measles has been INCREASED SINCE the vaccine was developed So is there a need for MMR at all or any of the separate ones? Does it actually work or just inject a chronic case of the illness so you can't get an acute case, leaving more problems in its wake. Those parents of autistic children who saw the problems come right after the vaccine, would take the chance (and there really isn't much chance of damage) on measles any time at this point. We have traded an acute, relatively harmless in most well-nourished children, disease for a plethora of chronic illness. Not a good trade in my opinion. I suggest that if your child gets measles and there are concerns that a homeopath is able to work very nicely , in most cases with the child, and help then through any rough spots,. Homeopathy is very individual and depends on the particular symptoms that are unique to your child - that is what determines the remedy For more info on how a homeopath works see http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Weigh all the factors And remember all the effects of MMR and other vaccines are not always known immediately. And certainly some children are more susceptible to problems than others. The problem is how to know if this child is or isn't. Russian roulette I have seen children & adults damaged, with autism or death, from each of the single vaccines that are out there; live vaccines or killed vaccnies. All vaccines are dangerous. There is NO evidence that they work as they say they do - provide immunity as the disease would. There is so much more to this than MMR........that is the tip of the iceberg. There are concerns that all the mercury laden vaccines that are given before the MMR lay the groundwork of damage and some develop autism, damage or death from any of those alone and others it takes the MMR to put them over the age (and this could be any vaccine). Certainly combining 3 live vaccines is very stupid - vets see this with animals all the time and animal vaccine researchers know this to be true, too. But that does not mean singles are safe. Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers & Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start in January 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 At 10:46 AM 12/30/2008, you wrote: >Sheri, > > I entirely agree with you. However I do not make it a habit > of telling them what to do, or at least I try not to. I hear you but to share the info of the dangers of singles with them would be good so they can make their own decision and also the info I sent below.................. > These are people who do not have children on the spectrum, aren't > antivaccine and want another choice. The key is to become educated, as you know Refer them to my vaccine dangers email list too http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vaccinations and my webpage http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm > My son is evidence of all that you say and it breaks my heart > everyday. This is about a decision they are making for their own > children, they inform themselves of all of the risks and are aware > of both sides of the issue. Unfortunately the choice has now been > taken from them. I do appreciate all of the information you post > and I will pass it on to them. - Again, share this with them (below) and how antibodies do not mean immunity, therefore vaccines are not proven to give immunity The key is to learn the reality of these diseases and that vaccines do NOT GIVE immunity I encourage you to let all know these things. I encourage to research the reality of those diseases Is a girl child at risk for problems from mumps? For that matter is a boy - rarely does it affect the testicles and even MORE rarely, both testicles, and even MORE rarely sterility (in teens or adults) Is an infant girl at risk for problems with rubella? No...........it is a mild disease - if you want to worry about it for when she get's pregnant, you have a long time Is a boy at risk at all for problems with rubella disease? NO Is a child at risk with measles - please read the reality. Everyone got the measles, including myself, all my family, all my cousins, all my school mates and all my ancestors. All were just fine. The seriousness of measles has been INCREASED SINCE the vaccine was developed So is there a need for MMR at all or any of the separate ones? Does it actually work or just inject a chronic case of the illness so you can't get an acute case, leaving more problems in its wake. Those parents of autistic children who saw the problems come right after the vaccine, would take the chance (and there really isn't much chance of damage) on measles any time at this point. We have traded an acute, relatively harmless in most well-nourished children, disease for a plethora of chronic illness. Not a good trade in my opinion. I suggest that if your child gets measles and there are concerns that a homeopath is able to work very nicely , in most cases with the child, and help then through any rough spots,. Homeopathy is very individual and depends on the particular symptoms that are unique to your child - that is what determines the remedy For more info on how a homeopath works see http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Weigh all the factors And remember all the effects of MMR and other vaccines are not always known immediately. And certainly some children are more susceptible to problems than others. The problem is how to know if this child is or isn't. Russian roulette I have seen children & adults damaged, with autism or death, from each of the single vaccines that are out there; live vaccines or killed vaccnies. All vaccines are dangerous. There is NO evidence that they work as they say they do - provide immunity as the disease would. There is so much more to this than MMR........that is the tip of the iceberg. There are concerns that all the mercury laden vaccines that are given before the MMR lay the groundwork of damage and some develop autism, damage or death from any of those alone and others it takes the MMR to put them over the age (and this could be any vaccine). Certainly combining 3 live vaccines is very stupid - vets see this with animals all the time and animal vaccine researchers know this to be true, too. But that does not mean singles are safe. Sheri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 I'm in my early 60s. I had the measels, chicken pox whopping cough and all the garden variety childhood diseases as did my wife. We're alive, don't have autism, diabetes, asthma, RA or any auto immune problems. We werent vaccinated for those things from what I remember just polio. My brother had the mumps. He's alive, and just celebrated his 70th birthday. Healthy as a horse. My "generation" wasn't on the spectrum. Children didn't have cancers, specifically BRAIN and blood cancers at the alarming rates they have today. So why now? The most significant changing "factor" is vaccines. You don't have to "Prove" their safety, we are watching their slow demise of a generation. They may protect against disease but has anyone "proven" that? >Already sent her there, they don't do it anymore and neither does >Lee Silsby. There's another pharmacy close to Lee Silsby that sells >measles and rubella but not Mumps. This is not a mother of a child >with autism but she has a preemie. I get a lot of e-mails from GR of >parents trying to be proactive and reduce risk. My number one >recommendation is to separate MMR as well as only getting one >vaccine at a time. I don't even know what to say about this nonsense.How do you know you are reducing risk?I have just posted some of the dangers of single measles vaccines - the same for rubella and measles.The key is to learn the reality of these diseases and that vaccines do NOT GIVE immunityI encourage you to let all know these things.I encourage to research the reality of those diseasesIs a girl child at risk for problems from mumps?For that matter is a boy - rarely does it affect the testicles and even MORE rarely, both testicles, and even MORE rarely sterility (in teens or adults)Is an infant girl at risk for problems with rubella? No.......... .it is a mild disease - if you want to worry about it for when she get's pregnant, you have a long timeIs a boy at risk at all for problems with rubella disease? NOIs a child at risk with measles - please read the reality. Everyone got the measles, including myself, all my family, all my cousins, all my school mates and all my ancestors. All were just fine. The seriousness of measles has been INCREASED SINCE the vaccine was developedSo is there a need for MMR at all or any of the separate ones?Does it actually work or just inject a chronic case of the illness so you can't get an acute case, leaving more problems in its wake.Those parents of autistic children who saw the problems come right after the vaccine, would take the chance (and there really isn't much chance of damage) on measles any time at this point. We have traded an acute, relatively harmless in most well-nourished children, disease for a plethora of chronic illness. Not a good trade in my opinion.I suggest that if your child gets measles and there are concerns that a homeopath is able to work very nicely , in most cases with the child, and help then through any rough spots,. Homeopathy is very individual and depends on the particular symptoms that are unique to your child - that is what determines the remedyFor more info on how a homeopath works seehttp://www.nccn. net/~wwithin/ homeo.htmWeigh all the factorsAnd remember all the effects of MMR and other vaccines are not always known immediately. And certainly some children are more susceptible to problems than others. The problem is how to know if this child is or isn't. Russian rouletteI have seen children & adults damaged, with autism or death, from each of the single vaccines that are out there; live vaccines or killed vaccnies. All vaccines are dangerous. There is NO evidence that they work as they say they do - provide immunity as the disease would.There is so much more to this than MMR........that is the tip of the iceberg. There are concerns that all the mercury laden vaccines that are given before the MMR lay the groundwork of damage and some develop autism, damage or death from any of those alone and others it takes the MMR to put them over the age (and this could be any vaccine). Certainly combining 3 live vaccines is very stupid - vets see this with animals all the time and animal vaccine researchers know this to be true, too.But that does not mean singles are safe.Sheri------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian HomeopathVaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UKVaccines - http://www.wellwith in1.com/vaccine. htm Vaccine Dangers & Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start in January 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 I hear you. I was born in the 50s. Polio was on the downturn before the vaccine came out thanks to sanitation (water/sewers, clean food). By "clean food," I do not mean, loaded with antibiotics and hormones. I don't think that started until the late 70s/early 80s. Ours was a very healthy generation, BECAUSE of having contracted viruses through the God-given path. I had every childhood disease as well. I think it was a rare case when I child contracted (in utero) measles, etc. and resulted in an MR diagnosis. THAT may have been in immuno-compromised baby from the start -- again, a rarity -- not the norm.Instead, now, the "norm" is one in five children in school with a behavioral disorder. This point was just brought home at a town hall meeting this past weekend. It was an event in which people in favor of "alternative/complimentary/homeopathic medicine went on camera asking incoming president O to keep these and not take away our right to choose them.Some 200 people showed up to this event to send a message. I told the story of my vaccine-injured child who is recovering using homeopathy -- not conventional pharmaceuticals.IMO - what is wrong with a child developing mumps, measles or rubella? This child will do just fine if the immune system is in good working order and today that probably just involves lots of C, D and Zinc....... something kids are not getting from food because food is no longer nutritional.>Already sent her there, they don't do it anymore and neither does >Lee Silsby. There's another pharmacy close to Lee Silsby that sells >measles and rubella but not Mumps. This is not a mother of a child >with autism but she has a preemie. I get a lot of e-mails from GR of >parents trying to be proactive and reduce risk. My number one >recommendation is to separate MMR as well as only getting one >vaccine at a time. I don't even know what to say about this nonsense.How do you know you are reducing risk?I have just posted some of the dangers of single measles vaccines - the same for rubella and measles.The key is to learn the reality of these diseases and that vaccines do NOT GIVE immunityI encourage you to let all know these things.I encourage to research the reality of those diseasesIs a girl child at risk for problems from mumps?For that matter is a boy - rarely does it affect the testicles and even MORE rarely, both testicles, and even MORE rarely sterility (in teens or adults)Is an infant girl at risk for problems with rubella? No.......... .it is a mild disease - if you want to worry about it for when she get's pregnant, you have a long timeIs a boy at risk at all for problems with rubella disease? NOIs a child at risk with measles - please read the reality. Everyone got the measles, including myself, all my family, all my cousins, all my school mates and all my ancestors. All were just fine. The seriousness of measles has been INCREASED SINCE the vaccine was developedSo is there a need for MMR at all or any of the separate ones?Does it actually work or just inject a chronic case of the illness so you can't get an acute case, leaving more problems in its wake.Those parents of autistic children who saw the problems come right after the vaccine, would take the chance (and there really isn't much chance of damage) on measles any time at this point. We have traded an acute, relatively harmless in most well-nourished children, disease for a plethora of chronic illness. Not a good trade in my opinion.I suggest that if your child gets measles and there are concerns that a homeopath is able to work very nicely , in most cases with the child, and help then through any rough spots,. Homeopathy is very individual and depends on the particular symptoms that are unique to your child - that is what determines the remedyFor more info on how a homeopath works seehttp://www.nccn. net/~wwithin/ homeo.htmWeigh all the factorsAnd remember all the effects of MMR and other vaccines are not always known immediately. And certainly some children are more susceptible to problems than others. The problem is how to know if this child is or isn't. Russian rouletteI have seen children & adults damaged, with autism or death, from each of the single vaccines that are out there; live vaccines or killed vaccnies. All vaccines are dangerous. There is NO evidence that they work as they say they do - provide immunity as the disease would.There is so much more to this than MMR........that is the tip of the iceberg. There are concerns that all the mercury laden vaccines that are given before the MMR lay the groundwork of damage and some develop autism, damage or death from any of those alone and others it takes the MMR to put them over the age (and this could be any vaccine). Certainly combining 3 live vaccines is very stupid - vets see this with animals all the time and animal vaccine researchers know this to be true, too.But that does not mean singles are safe.Sheri------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian HomeopathVaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UKVaccines - http://www.wellwith in1.com/vaccine. htm Vaccine Dangers & Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start in January 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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