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I am also thinking about buying something similar. My neighbor has the one from

Sharper Image, how much is the one you mentioned?

Sharon H.

Mom to , (13, DS) and , (9)

South Carolina

Air Cleaners

Hello,

Anyone have these.

and I are thinking about purchasing 3 of them, 1 for each level

of the house. I saw one advertised from SurroundAir that seems to do

just about everything from dust to bacteria.

I was talking to our Industrial Engineer at work the other day while

he was doing air samples and we got to talking about Air Purifiers, he

advised we would see an immediate difference in less stuffy noses,

sneezing and cold related illnesses. All of which seem to plague

year round.

Any comments or recommendations on such.

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Tim

I am also thinking about buying something similar. My neighbor has the one from

Sharper Image, how much is the one you mentioned?

Sharon H.

Mom to , (13, DS) and , (9)

South Carolina

Air Cleaners

Hello,

Anyone have these.

and I are thinking about purchasing 3 of them, 1 for each level

of the house. I saw one advertised from SurroundAir that seems to do

just about everything from dust to bacteria.

I was talking to our Industrial Engineer at work the other day while

he was doing air samples and we got to talking about Air Purifiers, he

advised we would see an immediate difference in less stuffy noses,

sneezing and cold related illnesses. All of which seem to plague

year round.

Any comments or recommendations on such.

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I am thinking of ordering 2 of the the XJ2100 for my home and my daycare!

My daycare kids and Emma (7yrs DS) has had a cold all week and well I am

tired of stuffy noses and going through MANY boxes of kleenex a week! Since

January someone has been sick with a cold or something none stop! I wonder

if these would help.

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Subject: Air Cleaners

Hello,

Anyone have these.

and I are thinking about purchasing 3 of them, 1 for each level

of the house. I saw one advertised from SurroundAir that seems to do

just about everything from dust to bacteria.

I was talking to our Industrial Engineer at work the other day while

he was doing air samples and we got to talking about Air Purifiers, he

advised we would see an immediate difference in less stuffy noses,

sneezing and cold related illnesses. All of which seem to plague

year round.

Any comments or recommendations on such.

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Tim

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I am thinking of ordering 2 of the the XJ2100 for my home and my daycare!

My daycare kids and Emma (7yrs DS) has had a cold all week and well I am

tired of stuffy noses and going through MANY boxes of kleenex a week! Since

January someone has been sick with a cold or something none stop! I wonder

if these would help.

Colleen Stephansen

Owner of Colleen's Child Care

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Subject: Air Cleaners

Hello,

Anyone have these.

and I are thinking about purchasing 3 of them, 1 for each level

of the house. I saw one advertised from SurroundAir that seems to do

just about everything from dust to bacteria.

I was talking to our Industrial Engineer at work the other day while

he was doing air samples and we got to talking about Air Purifiers, he

advised we would see an immediate difference in less stuffy noses,

sneezing and cold related illnesses. All of which seem to plague

year round.

Any comments or recommendations on such.

--

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Tim

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We bought a hepa air cleaner after we cleaned out our home and ripped up the carpets. We also have an static electronic air cleaner on our return air vent. What we discovered with the hepa air cleaner is that the "things" went right through the filter and blew up on to the wall. There is an air cleaner that doesn't use filters. It heats up a core to a high heat and as the air passes through this heated core it kills any thing alive that goes through it. I have not tried this type of air cleaner but my son has one because he has an allergy to dust mites. After one night of using this type of air cleaner in his room he woke the next morning and his nose was clear and had no sneezing. He keeps this unit running all the time. Rita

Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

I, too, am strongly considering an air cleaner. The good ones are pricey, though, so it's put the brakes on my plan. I need something that can recycle the air in the room in good time, like around 500-700 CFM, and I would like UV lights in it to kill whatever is trapped in the filters. I found one I liked a week ago, but it was upward of a thousand bucks and I'm very hesitant to shell out that kind of green for an air cleaner. I've since closed that tab in my browser so I'm back to square one in research. But what are the alternatives? I know these little demons float in the air just waiting to sink their claws into you as you walk through the room, so it'd make sense that this would be a highly effective way to murder them. If anyone here can share air cleaner experiences I'd sure like to hear about them. I've got those Ionic cleaners that Sharper Image sold, but they're worth a damn. I don't breathe easier with them on or off. I need something that really moves the air.> >> > My apologies for misquoting your name, but the question remains: what mite do you think is affecting your person? Do you think it's a bird mite? We have been diagnosed with bird mites but havent' seen them in motion. What do they look like in motion?> >>

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Rita, are you talking about static electricity air filters you put in an hvac

system or are you talking about an electronic/electic unit that's part of your

air system that actively cleans air, aside from the standard hvac filter. I

have a static electricity based air filter in place already...

> > >

> > > My apologies for misquoting your name, but the question remains: what

mite do you think is affecting your person? Do you think it's a bird mite? We

have been diagnosed with bird mites but havent' seen them in motion. What do

they look like in motion?

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How much did the air cleaner cost him, if you don't mind my asking?

> > >

> > > My apologies for misquoting your name, but the question remains: what

mite do you think is affecting your person? Do you think it's a bird mite? We

have been diagnosed with bird mites but havent' seen them in motion. What do

they look like in motion?

> > >

> >

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Yeah, I am experimenting with a small hunter air cleaner, put it in front of a mirror, windexed the mirror and ran the filter--seeing some white specs on mirror. I guess need to look into better air cleaner, if nothing else--maybe it brings the things into one spot so you can then windex them, vs floating all over the place. I recently saw an infomercial and it may be like you are talking about rita. It claimed to kill evrything in air

From: Rita and Mike Carlson <m.r.carlson@...>bird mites Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:31:23 AMSubject: Re: air cleaners

We bought a hepa air cleaner after we cleaned out our home and ripped up the carpets. We also have an static electronic air cleaner on our return air vent. What we discovered with the hepa air cleaner is that the "things" went right through the filter and blew up on to the wall. There is an air cleaner that doesn't use filters. It heats up a core to a high heat and as the air passes through this heated core it kills any thing alive that goes through it. I have not tried this type of air cleaner but my son has one because he has an allergy to dust mites. After one night of using this type of air cleaner in his room he woke the next morning and his nose was clear and had no sneezing. He keeps this unit running all the time. Rita

Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

I, too, am strongly considering an air cleaner. The good ones are pricey, though, so it's put the brakes on my plan. I need something that can recycle the air in the room in good time, like around 500-700 CFM, and I would like UV lights in it to kill whatever is trapped in the filters. I found one I liked a week ago, but it was upward of a thousand bucks and I'm very hesitant to shell out that kind of green for an air cleaner. I've since closed that tab in my browser so I'm back to square one in research. But what are the alternatives? I know these little demons float in the air just waiting to sink their claws into you as you walk through the room, so it'd make sense that this would be a highly effective way to murder them. If anyone here can share air cleaner experiences I'd sure like to hear about them. I've got those Ionic cleaners that Sharper Image sold, but they're worth a damn. I don't breathe easier with them on or off. I need something that

really moves the air.> >> > My apologies for misquoting your name, but the question remains: what mite do you think is affecting your person? Do you think it's a bird mite? We have been diagnosed with bird mites but havent' seen them in motion. What do they look like in motion?> >>

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My partner got me an air cleaner especially in the hope it would take

the white things out of the air along with the dust. It cost about

£100 in UK and supposedly has pre-filter, HEPA/carbon filter, Plasma

Module and UV/TIO2 photo catalytic technology (whatever that is) plus

ioniser. It supposedly kills viruses and bacteria, the plasma thingy is

supposed to eliminate particle pollutants and dust. Does it work? Well

it cleans the air in a room 3 times in an hour. I took the filters apart

and did find horrible white nasty mitey things in there on the other

side of the HEPA filter, so some are getting sucked in, but I'm not sure

if they get destroyed by the Plasma/TIO2/UV bits, or just crawl out

again. I keep it in the bedroom and think I am sleeping a bit better,

but that could be cos I am so exhausted all the time fighting this

futile fight.

> > >

> > > My apologies for misquoting your name, but the question remains:

what mite do you think is affecting your person? Do you think it's a

bird mite? We have been diagnosed with bird mites but havent' seen them

in motion. What do they look like in motion?

> > >

> >

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Kathy,

For removing particles like dust, dander and pollen? Or reducing

chemicals, odors, and fragrances?

HEPA is great for particles but not for chemicals, unless it has

Pounds and pounds of charcoal, potassium permanganage

(Purifil) and/or zeolite (depending on the type of chemicals to

remove).

The best way to get an objective comparision of types and brands

for particle removal (whether HEPA or not) is to compare the

Clean Air Delivery Rate (CADR). If it has one it will be posted on

the box.

For example if one filter sounds great and promotes cleaning

large rooms and is cheaper than another without as many claims,

the way to accurately compare them is by their CADR. If the less

expensive one has about the same or higher CADR then it is a

deal. If it is signifiantly less than the CADR for the more

expensive one, it is a bum deal.

A CADR of 200-300 is about the best that is affordable. 80-120 is

reasonable and usually a good enough balance between cost and

effectiveness. 40 and below is almost always a waste of money.

Yet, there are some units, such as those generating ozone, which

are rated at 30 or less and cost more than a HEPA with a CADR

of 300.

If they don't list their CADR then you can't compare and I be very

resistant to buying it.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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I'll read the files but asking your experience.

What kind of air cleaners are the best & most affordable that sit

individually in rooms?

Thanks, Kathy

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Id love to have one of those but cant afford it

In a message dated 7/27/2010 12:55:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

katsdream17@... writes:

I have an Austin Air and it has been worth every single penny. Several

other mold patients recommended it to me. I can't say enough about it. I

usually keep it on all the time but other times when I even sense something in

my sinuses and turn it on, the feeling goes away. You don't have to buy a new

filter for it for years so that helps with the sticker shock.

_http://www.austinair.com/_ (http://www.austinair.com/)

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I have an Austin Air and it has been worth every single penny. Several other

mold patients recommended it to me. I can't say enough about it. I usually keep

it on all the time but other times when I even sense something in my sinuses and

turn it on, the feeling goes away. You don't have to buy a new filter for it for

years so that helps with the sticker shock.

http://www.austinair.com/

>

> Kathy,

>

> For removing particles like dust, dander and pollen? Or reducing

> chemicals, odors, and fragrances?

>

> HEPA is great for particles but not for chemicals, unless it has

> Pounds and pounds of charcoal, potassium permanganage

> (Purifil) and/or zeolite (depending on the type of chemicals to

> remove).

>

> The best way to get an objective comparision of types and brands

> for particle removal (whether HEPA or not) is to compare the

> Clean Air Delivery Rate (CADR). If it has one it will be posted on

> the box.

>

> For example if one filter sounds great and promotes cleaning

> large rooms and is cheaper than another without as many claims,

> the way to accurately compare them is by their CADR. If the less

> expensive one has about the same or higher CADR then it is a

> deal. If it is signifiantly less than the CADR for the more

> expensive one, it is a bum deal.

>

> A CADR of 200-300 is about the best that is affordable. 80-120 is

> reasonable and usually a good enough balance between cost and

> effectiveness. 40 and below is almost always a waste of money.

> Yet, there are some units, such as those generating ozone, which

> are rated at 30 or less and cost more than a HEPA with a CADR

> of 300.

>

> If they don't list their CADR then you can't compare and I be very

> resistant to buying it.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

>

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Hi Carl,

Could you please contact me directly at 306 955-1212. I am nearing

completion of my book which tells my story about our " Toxic Little House on

the Prairie " and wish to include your contact information for those who may

learn from my experiences. I already have input from many of the most

recognized experts in the field and feel you would be such a great addition

as a source of information and assistance.

Thank you.

Marilyn Faye Parney

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Sent: July 26, 2010 9:48 PM

Subject: Re: [] Air cleaners

Kathy,

For removing particles like dust, dander and pollen? Or reducing

chemicals, odors, and fragrances?

HEPA is great for particles but not for chemicals, unless it has

Pounds and pounds of charcoal, potassium permanganage

(Purifil) and/or zeolite (depending on the type of chemicals to

remove).

The best way to get an objective comparision of types and brands

for particle removal (whether HEPA or not) is to compare the

Clean Air Delivery Rate (CADR). If it has one it will be posted on

the box.

For example if one filter sounds great and promotes cleaning

large rooms and is cheaper than another without as many claims,

the way to accurately compare them is by their CADR. If the less

expensive one has about the same or higher CADR then it is a

deal. If it is signifiantly less than the CADR for the more

expensive one, it is a bum deal.

A CADR of 200-300 is about the best that is affordable. 80-120 is

reasonable and usually a good enough balance between cost and

effectiveness. 40 and below is almost always a waste of money.

Yet, there are some units, such as those generating ozone, which

are rated at 30 or less and cost more than a HEPA with a CADR

of 300.

If they don't list their CADR then you can't compare and I be very

resistant to buying it.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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I'll read the files but asking your experience.

What kind of air cleaners are the best & most affordable that sit

individually in rooms?

Thanks, Kathy

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Carl, I don't know which. I'm looking for a good one to work on whatever we may

have.

Thank You! I have heard of this co.  recommended by others.

Would most of you go with the bedroom unit?

>

> Kathy,

>

> For removing particles like dust, dander and pollen? Or reducing

> chemicals, odors, and fragrances?

>

> HEPA is great for particles but not for chemicals, unless it has

> Pounds and pounds of charcoal, potassium permanganage

> (Purifil) and/or zeolite (depending on the type of chemicals to

> remove).

>

> The best way to get an objective comparision of types and brands

> for particle removal (whether HEPA or not) is to compare the

> Clean Air Delivery Rate (CADR). If it has one it will be posted on

> the box.

>

> For example if one filter sounds great and promotes cleaning

> large rooms and is cheaper than another without as many claims,

> the way to accurately compare them is by their CADR. If the less

> expensive one has about the same or higher CADR then it is a

> deal. If it is signifiantly less than the CADR for the more

> expensive one, it is a bum deal.

>

> A CADR of 200-300 is about the best that is affordable. 80-120 is

> reasonable and usually a good enough balance between cost and

> effectiveness. 40 and below is almost always a waste of money.

> Yet, there are some units, such as those generating ozone, which

> are rated at 30 or less and cost more than a HEPA with a CADR

> of 300.

>

> If they don't list their CADR then you can't compare and I be very

> resistant to buying it.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

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Look for one with a HEPA filter and high CADR, properly sized for

the room (6-8 or 10 air exchanges per hour) and that has 2-5

pounds of a mix of charcoal and Purifil (potassium

permanganate).

Mostly metal instead of plastic if you are sendsitive to plastics,

sealed bearings in the motor (most but the cheapest ones have

sealed bearing), quiet enough for you when running on high

speed. High speed is the only way it cleans the air at the CADR

rating.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

Carl, I don't know which. I'm looking for a good one to work on whatever we may

have.

Thank You! I have heard of this co. recommended by others.

Would most of you go with the bedroom unit?

>

> Kathy,

>

> For removing particles like dust, dander and pollen? Or reducing

> chemicals, odors, and fragrances?

>

> HEPA is great for particles but not for chemicals, unless it has

> Pounds and pounds of charcoal, potassium permanganage

> (Purifil) and/or zeolite (depending on the type of chemicals to

> remove).

>

> The best way to get an objective comparision of types and brands

> for particle removal (whether HEPA or not) is to compare the

> Clean Air Delivery Rate (CADR). If it has one it will be posted on

> the box.

>

> For example if one filter sounds great and promotes cleaning

> large rooms and is cheaper than another without as many claims,

> the way to accurately compare them is by their CADR. If the less

> expensive one has about the same or higher CADR then it is a

> deal. If it is signifiantly less than the CADR for the more

> expensive one, it is a bum deal.

>

> A CADR of 200-300 is about the best that is affordable. 80-120 is

> reasonable and usually a good enough balance between cost and

> effectiveness. 40 and below is almost always a waste of money.

> Yet, there are some units, such as those generating ozone, which

> are rated at 30 or less and cost more than a HEPA with a CADR

> of 300.

>

> If they don't list their CADR then you can't compare and I be very

> resistant to buying it.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

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Carl,

Thank you. I developed sensitivities.  Kathy

From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...>

Subject: Re: [] Re: Air cleaners

Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 10:16 PM

Look for one with a HEPA filter and high CADR, properly sized for

the room (6-8 or 10 air exchanges per hour) and that has 2-5

pounds of a mix of charcoal and Purifil (potassium

permanganate).

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Have you or your health care providers been able to determine what you are

sensitive to and what you are not? Even if almost everything we don't react

equally to all and the impact will vary. Sorting it out can be difficult and

frustrating but the more you can figure out the better the chance for

improvement.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

(fm my Blackberry)

Re: [] Re: Air cleaners

Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 10:16 PM

Look for one with a HEPA filter and high CADR, properly sized for

the room (6-8 or 10 air exchanges per hour) and that has 2-5

pounds of a mix of charcoal and Purifil (potassium

permanganate).

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I swear by the Aller Aire. Not only was it the best for chemicals but

surprisingly made it possible for me to re-enter my kitchen when a long-standing

leak caused all kinds of multi-colored things growing under my sink.

>

>

> I'll read the files but asking your experience.

>

> What kind of air cleaners are the best & most affordable that sit individually

in rooms?

>

> Thanks, Kathy

>

>

>

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they did that to me at work couldn't go anywhere they finally got rid

of me

In a message dated 8/20/2010 7:36:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

madeskv@... writes:

Hi Robin,

Air cleaners do help somewhat especially if you have a small problem. A

colleague of mine in the very sick building I used to work in had some

success

creating a safe air bubble in her office. She had two air cleaners and a

fan

placed around her that kept her in better air. Of course she was exposed

to the

" bad " air when she left the bubble. Not an optimum solution. IMHO

Take care,

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Ionizers feel like they are tearing my lungs out

Janet

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Also- I meant to add- no ionizers- that makes many people worse-

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Thanks, .

I feel better when the austin airs are running, so maybe its helping with

something.

I cant take them with me.. i dont think or can I if I change the filter and hepa

vac, wipe down?

I am looking for replacements (use in bedrooms and main living area). The Blue

Air does create neg ions.. thats not a good thing?

It uses an electrostatic method to change ions to neg or pos (??) which makes

the particles more sticky so they stick to the filter better..

??

The place we are relocating to is new.. will be finished in about 3 weeks and it

will be offgassing.. this might be a problem. Not sure what to do other than

purifiers with carbon or zeolite?

Robin

>

> Hi Robin,

>

> Air cleaners do help somewhat especially if you have a small problem. A

> colleague of mine in the very sick building I used to work in had some success

> creating a safe air bubble in her office. She had two air cleaners and a fan

> placed around her that kept her in better air. Of course she was exposed to

the

> " bad " air when she left the bubble. Not an optimum solution. IMHO

>

> Take care,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Robin,

I don't know how bad the Austin Airs got in the moldy place, but I did have a

friend who bought a used Austin Air Healthmate Jr. A few days after getting it

she realized it was contaminated and their was acutal mold growth in the unit

itself. She was then very, very ill from mold exposure and lyme. She sent the

unit to a local place where she lived in Az that sold non-toxic products and

filters and they cleaned it out thoroughly and replaced all the filters as you

said. My friend never had a problem with the unit after that. 

But please, do not clean the unit yourself. If that was your only option you'd

be better off getting a replacement. Not worth an added exposure.

Sam 

--- On Sat, 8/21/10, listspub <listspub@...> wrote

Thanks, .

I feel better when the austin airs are running, so maybe its helping with

something.

I cant take them with me.. i dont think or can I if I change the filter and hepa

vac, wipe down?

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Sam.. thank you.. someone else told me that they also found mold growing in

their hepa. The mold has to have moisture to grow, right? Oh my. Thank you for

letting me know and its a relief she was able to recover the unit.. I agree I

dont need to come in contact with anything like that.

Robin

>

> Robin,

> I don't know how bad the Austin Airs got in the moldy place, but I did have a

friend who bought a used Austin Air Healthmate Jr. A few days after getting it

she realized it was contaminated and their was acutal mold growth in the unit

itself. She was then very, very ill from mold exposure and lyme. She sent the

unit to a local place where she lived in Az that sold non-toxic products and

filters and they cleaned it out thoroughly and replaced all the filters as you

said. My friend never had a problem with the unit after that. 

> But please, do not clean the unit yourself. If that was your only option you'd

be better off getting a replacement. Not worth an added exposure.

> Sam 

>

> --- On Sat, 8/21/10, listspub <listspub@...> wrote

>

> Thanks, .

>

> I feel better when the austin airs are running, so maybe its helping with

something.

>

> I cant take them with me.. i dont think or can I if I change the filter and

hepa vac, wipe down?

>

>

>

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Hi Robin,

You're welcome- I don't know if you should take them. I think I would buy new if

possible- then you can leave the others to keep running in your house. I have

not found that cross contamination has been a problem for me but some people

feel very strongly that it has been a very big problem for them. I think this is

something that may be different for all of us.

Take care,

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Happy to help Robin. But just to clarify, the mold was not in the hepa but

outside on the metal side I think up on the top of the unit. Having bought it

second hand, there could have been any number of reasons why it got moldy:

I do have a couple of Austin Airs and find them to be work well and was

affordable. One thing to also be careful of is to make sure that whatever air

purifier you buy that is does't off-gas. Some can do so via the motors, paint or

even the unit itself if made from plastic. Whatever you buy, make sure they are

clear about using non-toxic products or being safe for people with mcs as even

if you don't have mcs, I'd still recommend something that didn't produce any

added issues.

Please do share what you end up getting, 

Best,Sam

Sam.. thank you..

someone else told me that they also found mold growing in their hepa. The mold

has to have moisture to grow, right? Oh my. Thank you for letting me know and

its a relief she was able to recover the unit.. I agree I dont need to come in

contact with anything like that.

Robin

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