Re: Smart Avoidance

[Guest guest]

lol's Carl, you know I have comments. how about advoidance as best we can

considering each others circumstances, affordability, and maybe just plain

stubborness,copeing with, or lact of what use to be will power. and maybe other

things like possable brain defects, cranial nerve damage,mental " mood disorders "

which might lend to a addictive personally trate that we didn't have before.

how many actually are able to fight off that over welming craving for sugar?

you know, for mind over matter responce you have to have a fulling functioning

mind. how many out there have experienced a level of damage low enough that

they still (if they were able before) to controll cravings. compulsion? anyone

have a weight problem before toxic mold exposure? smokeing problem, picking

their nose problem, picking their face problem,gambleing, ECT!

I dont think anyone can claim perfection, though some try.

and seems to me perfection just flys out the window with brain injury.

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> Jeanine referred to a recurring phrase which triggered something I've been

meaning to comment on: Extreme Avoidance.

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> A better phrase may be Practical Avoidance or Informed Avoidance or Priority

Avoidance.

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> Comments?

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> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

> (fm my Blackberry)

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> [] Re: Magnetic-Field-Induced DNA strand breaks in Brain

Cells of the Rat

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> but thats only part of the puzzle. for example, people who consider theirselfs

as practicing " extreme " advoidance might want to stay off the computer, quit

using cell phones,watching tv,using any electrical devices, live somewhere where

theres no electrical lines,ect. or they are just not practicing true " extreme "

exposure. and even than what's in the ground,water and air might just be pretty

hard to avoid unless your the bubble man.

> http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/en/pain/microsite/science4.html

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[Guest guest]

and what do we base what we should advoid on? I know for a fact it's not just

about what we were exposed to, but also becomes a matter of many things that

cause a responce,irritants,allergens,pathogens,toxins.

and dose is very very important. dose becomes even more important based on organ

damage to where and what. it is so important that I dont think anyone can fully

comprehend the differences in what they experience with what someone with more

organ damage experiences.

so people might truely need to be in a bubble. however, the differences in one

healing from organ damage would vary, and no matter what you do, some may never

heal from the nerve damage.

so just stick me in a bubble for the rest of my life? I dont think so.

I might get run over by a truck tomarrow,I have kids and grandkids that need me

to be a part of their lives.

so, in the grand sceme of things the only thing I'm indecisive about is really,

did or does smokeing cover up or protect. because even though I'd have to quit

cold turkey(been there done that before,with more will power than now) I was

going to do it, but I'm not to sure at this point now if it well help or hurt.

do you have a answer for that? does it cover up or protect? as far as lung

reactions. as far as more inflammation elsewhere,I'm not to convienced of that.

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> > > > I'm thinking Dr. Rhea has addressed EFS ? you know, I think maybe

nanoparticles would be involved in EFS.

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[Guest guest]

smoking,lungs

http://www.tobaccoinduceddiseases.com/content/2/1/3

you know, from what I can comprehend of this, the lung mucosa linings and mucas

filtration at pretty much the same as the filtration in the nose. and once again

it's all about dose and overload on the system by toxins that at high doses

overpower our defences. I have to wonder why smoking doesn't cause full blown

chemical sensitivity . some people after being in a heavily smokey room all

night might get headackes and cough up some junk but recover. now maybe smoking

covers up responce that might be worse if you dont smoke, or maybe theres

something protective about it. ? I've smoked before during and after my toxic

mold exposure. and I do know I've " unmasked " . am I now more sensitivy to those

chemicals in tobacco? yes, does it cause a full blown chemical hypersensitivy

responce? no. actually a very slight numbing of the lips is about it. now the

numbing of my lips and just how bad it gets

is for me a really good indacator of some toxin exposures, not all, but some.

in the big sceme of exposures related to everything we comsume but

breathing,eating and soak through our skin

how does smoking relate? well humm, I can get tottally wiped out by breathing

chimney smoke from a fireplace or smoke from a house burning or smoke from

burning trash. some really nasty cheap cigars have a really bad effect on me.

setting in a bar with smoke,perfume and offgassing of alchol I know wipes me out

and I haven't been to one for years because of that. a few times after my toxic

mold exposure I tried that and realized the only time I could tolerate it was

when it was raining and the doors were open bringing a nice clean draft of wind

through the place and taking all the airborn junk out with it.

and that was only in one old friendly bar which was long and narrow with doors

at each end. kindof mess going there sometimes, playing a game of pool and

drinking a pop. I aways got hurrassed cause I was a slow drinker, lol's but I

saved those " buy a round guys " lots of money. when I realized me and alcholol

no longer got along at all I saved them even more money. and holy cow what one

little sip could do to me was just not in the least fun. that was just beer, a

few years later a friend talked me into taking a sip of vodka and orange juice,

I hardly could walk to the car than grabbed his stering whell while he was

driving because I was halusinating that he was driving in incoming traffic lane.

no one tries to get me to drink anymore. lol's what a freaky illness.

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> > Jeanine referred to a recurring phrase which triggered something I've been

meaning to comment on: Extreme Avoidance.

> >

> > A better phrase may be Practical Avoidance or Informed Avoidance or Priority

Avoidance.

> >

> > Comments?

> >

> > Carl Grimes

> > Healthy Habitats LLC

> > (fm my Blackberry)

> >

> > [] Re: Magnetic-Field-Induced DNA strand breaks in

Brain Cells of the Rat

> >

> > but thats only part of the puzzle. for example, people who consider

theirselfs as practicing " extreme " advoidance might want to stay off the

computer, quit using cell phones,watching tv,using any electrical devices, live

somewhere where theres no electrical lines,ect. or they are just not practicing

true " extreme " exposure. and even than what's in the ground,water and air might

just be pretty hard to avoid unless your the bubble man.

> > http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/en/pain/microsite/science4.html

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[Guest guest]

and you know, some could argue that smoking set me up for this illness, really?

so what explains non-smokers getting it.

and gee, I worked highway construction and spent the other half of the year

mowing the banks. I worked around guys that smoked like chimneys and breathed

highway fumes a big part of their lifes.

they didn't get this disease.

during the exposure in my first home for several years, I had a boyfriend, my

illness was off and on just like our relationship.

when we were together and I spent most of my nights there, I recovered from the

effects from my home only to have it all come back when we broke up and I stayed

at my house.

actually without realizeing it, it probably had alot to do with my taking him

back over and over again when I never would have put up with his BS before. dang

myco's mess with your head even at lower doses and where you just might not even

reconize it.

and I'm serious. the pain in my back got better, I would fell pretty much normal

again than it would all come back if we broke up and I stayed at my own house.

and yes, I did suffer the effects of mold/yeast there to, more so at first when

my bedroom was on the second floor

where the actual roof ledge met the exterior walls.

lessor so when I moved to the first floor but where myco's prevailed more so.

still not even close to the damage the second home brought on. so really I do

have somewhat a sence of how different levels of exposures can play out. except

I cant say I have a sence in exactly how differences in chemical sensitivity

might play out except to fell pretty convienced that along with worse damage to

some organs there would be easier access and in the nose olfactory and brain

route

a difference in effects based on damage. just like the delayed effects,tissue

damage, infection,ect. might have a easier route to the brain with BBB damage.

what I do know is that one claiming a cure from " extreme " advoidance

only, might indicate a pretty mild exposure. but people do precieve levels of

pain differently. I've seen grown momma boy's cry over a scratch. lol's. not to

be confused with nerve damage and the pain felt with it sometimes where it hurts

to just be touched.

[Guest guest]

besides the flight or fright, receptor thing which I am aware but I promised my

daughter I'd babyset so I'm off to fight the real world for awhile, hopefully

uneventful, I hope. she promiced I wouldn't get asulted by colone,ect. well see.

sometimes it's ok, sometimes it's a wipeout.

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> smoking,lungs

> http://www.tobaccoinduceddiseases.com/content/2/1/3

> you know, from what I can comprehend of this, the lung mucosa linings and

mucas filtration at pretty much the same as the filtration in the nose. and once

again it's all about dose and overload on the system by toxins that at high

doses overpower our defences. I

[Guest guest]

I can totally relate to the fireplace smoke and cigars. We don't have a

fireplace but when neighbors are burning theirs I have to run from the house

to the car and cover my nose and hair or I get really sick. And cigars I

can't tolerate at all. We were at the beach once (downwind) from a group

smoking both cigarettes and cigars so we had to more. I was almost throwing up

by the time we got packed up and moved.

, I can get tottally wiped out by breathing chimney smoke from a fireplace

or smoke from a house burning or smoke from burning trash. some really

nasty cheap cigars have a really bad effect on me. setting in a bar with

smoke,perfume and offgassing of alchol I know wipes me out and I haven't been

to

one for years because of that. a few times after my toxic mold exposure I

tried that and realized the only time I could tolerate it was when it was

raining and the doors were open bringing a nice clean draft of wind through

the place and taking all the airborn junk out with it.

[Guest guest]

yep, my daughter lived by some old men for awhile and I think they burned

anything and everything they could. lol's good thing none of them were outside

cause they probably would have got a chewing on if I could manage to get the

words out. it was horrable. than her house had some problems too and I just

couldn't tolerate any of it. I'm so glad she moved and now is in a much better

house. I think at least some of my harping and them seeing how some places

affect me is actually making them think more about what their smelling on a

constant bases. thats could.

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> I can totally relate to the fireplace smoke and cigars. We don't have a

> fireplace but when neighbors are burning theirs I have to run from the house

> to the car and cover my nose and hair or I get really sick. And cigars I

> can't tolerate at all. We were at the beach once (downwind) from a group

> smoking both cigarettes and cigars so we had to more. I was almost throwing

up

> by the time we got packed up and moved.

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> , I can get tottally wiped out by breathing chimney smoke from a fireplace

> or smoke from a house burning or smoke from burning trash. some really

> nasty cheap cigars have a really bad effect on me. setting in a bar with

> smoke,perfume and offgassing of alchol I know wipes me out and I haven't been

to

> one for years because of that. a few times after my toxic mold exposure I

> tried that and realized the only time I could tolerate it was when it was

> raining and the doors were open bringing a nice clean draft of wind through

> the place and taking all the airborn junk out with it.

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