anyone doing nebulizer treatments?

[Guest guest]

I'm doing 2, the Albuterol helps alot with the airway restriction.

but I'm haveing problems with the Cromolyn,a mast cell stabilizer used to

prevent asthma attacks. only used it once sofar, after Albuterol treatment and

it caused the effects from the Albuteral to tottaly go away plus even more

felling of lung restiction and just felt bad in other ways, a little more off

balance and just ill effects.

I dont know weither to try it again, before the Albuteral treament or to just

not do those treatments. my guts just telling me to not do them. maybe it's

something about generic brand,?

also thought it might affect me different if I used it while actually haveing a

asthma attack, but other than re-exposures and a exercize induced asthma type

attack, that the Albuteral is listed as also helpful for, I just dont know if I

need the Cromolyn on a regular basis. is this a fell worse to fell better

reaction or I'm I haveing some type of problem with the Cromolyn itself?

my airways obviously deal with some level of restriction on a pretty regular

bases maybe just from breathing air and prior damage,inflammatory responce

disease.

other than that they become severely restricted with re-exposures.

[Guest guest]

Chromolyn ( Cromoglicic acid) is a plant derived compound. It is recommended

for use for asthma caused by an allergic (IgE) response to antigens. I suggest

that you read more about this chemical. It has other pharmacological actions

besides must mast cell release of histamine. Albuterol is a bronchiole dilator.

It is effective for all forms of bronchoconstriction (e.g. asthma, reactive

airway disease). If you do not have allergic asthma I suggest that you talk

with your doctor regarding the adverse reactions you are having. Reactive

airway disease (RADS) is a response related to inflammation. Inflammation is

not necessarily allergies.

[] anyone doing nebulizer treatments?

I'm doing 2, the Albuterol helps alot with the airway restriction.

but I'm haveing problems with the Cromolyn,a mast cell stabilizer used to

prevent asthma attacks. only used it once sofar, after Albuterol treatment and

it caused the effects from the Albuteral to tottaly go away plus even more

felling of lung restiction and just felt bad in other ways, a little more off

balance and just ill effects.

I dont know weither to try it again, before the Albuteral treament or to just

not do those treatments. my guts just telling me to not do them. maybe it's

something about generic brand,?

also thought it might affect me different if I used it while actually haveing

a asthma attack, but other than re-exposures and a exercize induced asthma type

attack, that the Albuteral is listed as also helpful for, I just dont know if I

need the Cromolyn on a regular basis. is this a fell worse to fell better

reaction or I'm I haveing some type of problem with the Cromolyn itself?

my airways obviously deal with some level of restriction on a pretty regular

bases maybe just from breathing air and prior damage,inflammatory responce

disease.

other than that they become severely restricted with re-exposures.

[Guest guest]

I tried Cromolyn and it definitely disagreed with my system so much so that i

ended up throwing the bottle away and went back to using ketoconazole only

[Guest guest]

Thank you Dr Thrasher. My dad is on that therapy for sleep apnea or something. I

will forward this to him.

Chris..

________________________________

From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 11:49:18 AM

Subject: Re: [] anyone doing nebulizer treatments?

 

Chromolyn ( Cromoglicic acid) is a plant derived compound. It is recommended for

use for asthma caused by an allergic (IgE) response to antigens. I suggest that

you read more about this chemical. It has other pharmacological actions besides

must mast cell release of histamine. Albuterol is a bronchiole dilator. It is

effective for all forms of bronchoconstriction (e.g. asthma, reactive airway

disease). If you do not have allergic asthma I suggest that you talk with your

doctor regarding the adverse reactions you are having. Reactive airway disease

(RADS) is a response related to inflammation. Inflammation is not necessarily

allergies.

[Guest guest]

I well, for now I'm just going to do the Albuteral.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

>

> Chromolyn ( Cromoglicic acid) is a plant derived compound. It is recommended

for use for asthma caused by an allergic (IgE) response to antigens. I suggest

that you read more about this chemical. It has other pharmacological actions

besides must mast cell release of histamine. Albuterol is a bronchiole dilator.

It is effective for all forms of bronchoconstriction (e.g. asthma, reactive

airway disease). If you do not have allergic asthma I suggest that you talk

with your doctor regarding the adverse reactions you are having. Reactive

airway disease (RADS) is a response related to inflammation. Inflammation is

not necessarily allergies.

>

[Guest guest]

Humm, I dont think he prescribed Chromolyn for allergies, although

I did test highly allergic to many molds after exposure and had IgE to some, he

said his testing showed I had no allergies or IgE to anything. I'll see what he

says but I didn't like the reaction it caused so I'm not doing it.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

>

> Chromolyn ( Cromoglicic acid) is a plant derived compound. It is recommended

for use for asthma caused by an allergic (IgE) response to antigens. I suggest

that you read more about this chemical. It has other pharmacological actions

besides must mast cell release of histamine. Albuterol is a bronchiole dilator.

It is effective for all forms of bronchoconstriction (e.g. asthma, reactive

airway disease). If you do not have allergic asthma I suggest that you talk

with your doctor regarding the adverse reactions you are having. Reactive

airway disease (RADS) is a response related to inflammation. Inflammation is

not necessarily allergies.

>

[Guest guest]

Skin testing does not necessarily mean you have an allergy. An immediate skin

reaction suggests an allergy, however, delayed skin reaction shows probable

hypersensitivity types II and IV. You can find a definition of Hypersensitivity

Types I, II, III and IV by doing a google search.

If you have normal ranges of IgE immunoglobulin, then you are most likely not

atopic. Atopy, means high levels of IgE and the person is prone to Type I

hypersensitivities.

[] Re: anyone doing nebulizer treatments?

Humm, I dont think he prescribed Chromolyn for allergies, although

I did test highly allergic to many molds after exposure and had IgE to some,

he said his testing showed I had no allergies or IgE to anything. I'll see what

he says but I didn't like the reaction it caused so I'm not doing it.

>

> Chromolyn ( Cromoglicic acid) is a plant derived compound. It is recommended

for use for asthma caused by an allergic (IgE) response to antigens. I suggest

that you read more about this chemical. It has other pharmacological actions

besides must mast cell release of histamine. Albuterol is a bronchiole dilator.

It is effective for all forms of bronchoconstriction (e.g. asthma, reactive

airway disease). If you do not have allergic asthma I suggest that you talk with

your doctor regarding the adverse reactions you are having. Reactive airway

disease (RADS) is a response related to inflammation. Inflammation is not

necessarily allergies.

>

[Guest guest]

What is the best way to deal with inflammation besides a steriod inhaler?

Singulair?

Thank you..

Robin

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

>

> Chromolyn ( Cromoglicic acid) is a plant derived compound. It is recommended

for use for asthma caused by an allergic (IgE) response to antigens. I suggest

that you read more about this chemical. It has other pharmacological actions

besides must mast cell release of histamine. Albuterol is a bronchiole dilator.

It is effective for all forms of bronchoconstriction (e.g. asthma, reactive

airway disease). If you do not have allergic asthma I suggest that you talk

with your doctor regarding the adverse reactions you are having. Reactive

airway disease (RADS) is a response related to inflammation. Inflammation is

not necessarily allergies.

>

>

>

> [] anyone doing nebulizer treatments?

>

>

>

> I'm doing 2, the Albuterol helps alot with the airway restriction.

> but I'm haveing problems with the Cromolyn,a mast cell stabilizer used to

prevent asthma attacks. only used it once sofar, after Albuterol treatment and

it caused the effects from the Albuteral to tottaly go away plus even more

felling of lung restiction and just felt bad in other ways, a little more off

balance and just ill effects.

> I dont know weither to try it again, before the Albuteral treament or to

just not do those treatments. my guts just telling me to not do them. maybe it's

something about generic brand,?

> also thought it might affect me different if I used it while actually

haveing a asthma attack, but other than re-exposures and a exercize induced

asthma type attack, that the Albuteral is listed as also helpful for, I just

dont know if I need the Cromolyn on a regular basis. is this a fell worse to

fell better reaction or I'm I haveing some type of problem with the Cromolyn

itself?

> my airways obviously deal with some level of restriction on a pretty regular

bases maybe just from breathing air and prior damage,inflammatory responce

disease.

> other than that they become severely restricted with re-exposures.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Robin I go the natural route - tumeric & American Biologics Inf Zyme Forte.

Depends where it is too - ice packs on muscles, starving myself if it's in my

gut, treating infection (with MANY other things) if that's the cause

Sometimes purple light. Here's the site.

http://www.dinshahhealth.org/

One time expense of the book $12, colored filters $35, a lamp maybe $10 & some

cookie sheets or oven liners to retrofit the lamp. The effects are subtle but I

left the lights on me overnight twice & then not subtle at all.

>

> What is the best way to deal with inflammation besides a steriod inhaler?

Singulair?

>

> Thank you..

>

> Robin

>

[Guest guest]

Have you tried nebulized glutathione, Robin?  That has helped my bronchial/lung

inflammation, as I cannot use inhalers of any kind.  sally

________________________________

From: safersmilesdentallab <safersmilesdentallab@...>

Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 7:26:54 PM

Subject: [] Re: anyone doing nebulizer treatments?

 

Robin I go the natural route - tumeric & American Biologics Inf Zyme Forte.

Depends where it is too - ice packs on muscles, starving myself if it's in my

gut, treating infection (with MANY other things) if that's the cause

Sometimes purple light. Here's the site.

http://www.dinshahhealth.org/

One time expense of the book $12, colored filters $35, a lamp maybe $10 & some

cookie sheets or oven liners to retrofit the lamp. The effects are subtle but I

left the lights on me overnight twice & then not subtle at all.

>

> What is the best way to deal with inflammation besides a steriod inhaler?

>Singulair?

>

> Thank you..

>

> Robin

>

[Guest guest]

Avoid what irritates you. Chronic use of steroids may lead to fungal invasion,

e.g. aspergillosis.

[] anyone doing nebulizer treatments?

>

>

>

> I'm doing 2, the Albuterol helps alot with the airway restriction.

> but I'm haveing problems with the Cromolyn,a mast cell stabilizer used to

prevent asthma attacks. only used it once sofar, after Albuterol treatment and

it caused the effects from the Albuteral to tottaly go away plus even more

felling of lung restiction and just felt bad in other ways, a little more off

balance and just ill effects.

> I dont know weither to try it again, before the Albuteral treament or to

just not do those treatments. my guts just telling me to not do them. maybe it's

something about generic brand,?

> also thought it might affect me different if I used it while actually

haveing a asthma attack, but other than re-exposures and a exercize induced

asthma type attack, that the Albuteral is listed as also helpful for, I just

dont know if I need the Cromolyn on a regular basis. is this a fell worse to

fell better reaction or I'm I haveing some type of problem with the Cromolyn

itself?

> my airways obviously deal with some level of restriction on a pretty regular

bases maybe just from breathing air and prior damage,inflammatory responce

disease.

> other than that they become severely restricted with re-exposures.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I didn't know that Dr Thrasher but do avoid meds since it always leads to some

problem.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

>

> Avoid what irritates you. Chronic use of steroids may lead to fungal

invasion, e.g. aspergillosis.

[Guest guest]

My understanding is that the chromalyn sodium is kind of a s benign

substitute for the steroids nebulizer, Dr. Gray told us that steroids

are not good for someone with mold exposures as it can promote mold growth....

Neither the chromalyn sodium or the steroid inhalers/nebulizers would

stop an asthma attack in progress, for the chromalyn sodium to be

effective takes a month or so of regular use...

My son is doing the chromalyn sodium 3X per day and has been since last

Nov., doesn't see that it changes anything for him, he also did a form

of albuterol regularly for a while, he didn't see that it helped

either. Oxygen therapy seemed to help stop his constant throat clearing

and coughing for a while, but he didn't like doing it.....about to go

repeat lung function test and see if his lungs are holding steady or not...

sue v.

>Avoid what irritates you. Chronic use of steroids may lead to fungal

>invasion, e.g. aspergillosis.

> [] Re: anyone doing nebulizer treatments?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i am curious about others experiences w/nebulized glutathione, dr gray

prescribed it for my son, we didn't see any change with it, dr rea

doesn't seem to be a big fan of it, says it can irritate and damage the

lungs.....

sue v.

Have you tried nebulized glutathione, Robin?  That has helped my

>bronchial/lung

>inflammation, as I cannot use inhalers of any kind.  sally

>

[Guest guest]

I take singulair once a day for my asthma. It controls it well. If I stop I

have an asthma attack

Janet

In a message dated 8/25/2010 9:52:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

listspub@... writes:

What is the best way to deal with inflammation besides a steriod inhaler? S

ingulair?

Thank you..

Robin

[Guest guest]

Yes. The adverse effects of corticosteroids has been in the medical literature

for years. However, it an be beneficial to help reduce inflammation. Dr, Gray

limits its use in his patients to no more than 2 weeks.

[] Re: anyone doing nebulizer treatments?

I didn't know that Dr Thrasher but do avoid meds since it always leads to some

problem.

>

> Avoid what irritates you. Chronic use of steroids may lead to fungal

invasion, e.g. aspergillosis.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . I stopped the steriod spray years ago after a year on it and

singular recently thought of taking again with the RAD like raction ot the dust.

I think serrapeptase helps and might ahve cleared the thickening in the

bronchial tubes that I ct scanned for once then neg a few years later.

Ill look into the zymes and the light. Ice packs is an intereting idea.. my

chest wall does also feel inflammed when I have these experiences.

Thanks..

Robin

>

> Robin I go the natural route - tumeric & American Biologics Inf Zyme Forte.

Depends where it is too - ice packs on muscles, starving myself if it's in my

gut, treating infection (with MANY other things) if that's the cause

> Sometimes purple light. Here's the site.

> http://www.dinshahhealth.org/

> One time expense of the book $12, colored filters $35, a lamp maybe $10 & some

cookie sheets or oven liners to retrofit the lamp. The effects are subtle but I

left the lights on me overnight twice & then not subtle at all.

>

[Guest guest]

steroids and me dont get along at all, a streoid nasal spray a ENT gave me

,burned like hick and set my vessels and nerves on fire for about a week.

wouldn't recomend that.

>

> My understanding is that the chromalyn sodium is kind of a s benign

> substitute for the steroids nebulizer, Dr. Gray told us that steroids

> are not good for someone with mold exposures as it can promote mold growth....

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm pretty convienced that histamine intolerance is a factor of these reactions

I had from Chromolyn. I'm pretty familuar with these symptoms from other

re-exposure effects. you can measure histamine cant you?

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

>

> Avoid what irritates you. Chronic use of steroids may lead to fungal

invasion, e.g. aspergillosis.

>

[Guest guest]

Have they checked for vocal cord dysfunction ?

 

 http://cantbreathesuspectvcd.com/

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: sue <svican@...>

Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 1:11:24 AM

Subject: Re: [] Re: anyone doing nebulizer treatments?

 

My understanding is that the chromalyn sodium is kind of a s benign

substitute for the steroids nebulizer, Dr. Gray told us that steroids

are not good for someone with mold exposures as it can promote mold growth....

Neither

[Guest guest]

I took pill steroids for a year gained 90 pounds. Hate the stuff

Janet

In a message dated 8/26/2010 7:00:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jeaninem660@... writes:

steroids and me dont get along at all, a streoid nasal spray a ENT gave me

,burned like hick and set my vessels and nerves on fire for about a week.

wouldn't recomend that.

[Guest guest]

Sue,

As far as I know, neither steroid or chromalyn in any form will stop any asthma

attack in progress. Med-wise that can only be done by a rescue medication like

albuterol. Maybe that was what you actually meant to say, if so please

disregard. I just wanted to make sure that you do not try and make use of these

meds to relieve your sons asthma in the middle of an attack.Best,Sam 

Neither the chromalyn sodium

or the steroid inhalers/nebulizers would stop an asthma attack in progress, for

the chromalyn sodium to be effective takes a month or so of regular use...

[Guest guest]

I've heard the same thing. But I think some docs like Dr. Zeim have at least in

the past and may still use it.  Altho I don't know if she used it as asthma

specific treatment. The one person I know that did it as a patient of hers used

it with no problems, but did not have asthma.

I'm trying transdermal glutathione for a number of reasons, but also hope that

in time raising my glutathione levels may help my breathing.

Sam

i am curious about others experiences w/nebulized glutathione, dr gray

prescribed it for my son, we didn't see any change with it, dr rea

doesn't seem to be a big fan of it, says it can irritate and damage the

lungs.....

sue v.

[Guest guest]

Ditto.  I've fought with so many doctors; one refused to accept that I had

gained twenty pounds on it.  I'm 5'2 " , so this is a lot of weight to gain.  I

was also a raving lunatic.  Although my current doctor validates my reaction,

very few doctors accept my extreme sensitivity to medications, especially any

level of steroid in any form.  Not glad that you have the adverse reaction but

validated by your similar response. 

Sally

________________________________

From: " Gingersnap1964@... " <Gingersnap1964@...>

Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 7:03:13 AM

Subject: Re: [] Re: anyone doing nebulizer treatments?

 

I took pill steroids for a year gained 90 pounds. Hate the stuff

Janet

In a message dated 8/26/2010 7:00:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jeaninem660@... writes:

steroids and me dont get along at all, a streoid nasal spray a ENT gave me

,burned like hick and set my vessels and nerves on fire for about a week.

wouldn't recomend that.

[Guest guest]

THANK you for the explanation. I didn't show positive for allergic but this

explains why the albuterol helps me. I am still trying to get out of my

apartment. It's very hard to try to get this all done and to make sense to

others but I am hanging in here. I am not always able to get back to the

computer and am finding that when i check in to the group I learn another thing

that makes sense and helps me understand what others seem to blow off. I am

astounded how even doctors don't get it about the mold exposure. I thank you all

for your input and you are making a difference as a group. Have a nice day! I

read something about the alrternaria tenius i think that's what it was and your

joints that also makes alot of sense to me. My friend back home has had this

already affect her they are going to replace her knee at the end of the month.

She is worried the doctor is going to mess her up. They are talking replacing

other parts also not just this knee. I haven't told her yet what I read. I kep

telling her she needs to tell the doctors about her house but she's not getting

it and they don't seem to bea ble to find out what's wrong. She hasn't done a

test like i did but she had the sewarage backup in her kitchen, gas leak and her

tub is aboput to fall into theis leaking water onto the ceiling in her bathroom.

Hoping to feel good enough to try to get to the post office and send her some

info. It's hard boith of us talk to each other and feel like death has warmed

over. I am wondering what my body is going to do when i get out of here. Now

this Chromolyn is part of the medicine right? is it a plant you can buy? I

know

plants are good to have I had to throw mine all out the soil was contaminated

and I am waiting til i move to replace them.

Donna

________________________________

From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 9:49:18 AM

Subject: Re: [] anyone doing nebulizer treatments?

 

Chromolyn ( Cromoglicic acid) is a plant derived compound. It is recommended for

use for asthma caused by an allergic (IgE) response to antigens. I suggest that

you read more about this chemical. It has other pharmacological actions besides

must mast cell release of histamine. Albuterol is a bronchiole dilator. It is

effective for all forms of bronchoconstriction (e.g. asthma, reactive airway

disease). If you do not have allergic asthma I suggest that you talk with your

doctor regarding the adverse reactions you are having. Reactive airway disease

(RADS) is a response related to inflammation. Inflammation is not necessarily

allergies.

[] anyone doing nebulizer treatments?

I'm doing 2, the Albuterol helps alot with the airway restriction.

but I'm haveing problems with the Cromolyn,a mast cell stabilizer used to

prevent asthma attacks. only used it once sofar, after Albuterol treatment and

it caused the effects from the Albuteral to tottaly go away plus even more

felling of lung restiction and just felt bad in other ways, a little more off

balance and just ill effects.

I dont know weither to try it again, before the Albuteral treament or to just

not do those treatments. my guts just telling me to not do them. maybe it's

something about generic brand,?

also thought it might affect me different if I used it while actually haveing a

asthma attack, but other than re-exposures and a exercize induced asthma type

attack, that the Albuteral is listed as also helpful for, I just dont know if I

need the Cromolyn on a regular basis. is this a fell worse to fell better

reaction or I'm I haveing some type of problem with the Cromolyn itself?

my airways obviously deal with some level of restriction on a pretty regular

bases maybe just from breathing air and prior damage,inflammatory responce

disease.

other than that they become severely restricted with re-exposures.