Re: Would you give up your sense of smell to not react?

[Guest guest]

Even if you stuffed your nose, cut it off, got rid of it.  Sorry it would not

work. For example the fragrance reaction is thought to be threw your trigeminal

nerve not your nose.  you suffer exposure threw your eyes as well as skin. So

if

you could not smell itI believe then you may not know the danger until you

reacted very badly or so.  Unless you had an immediate reaction your loss of

smell would place you in danger.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: shom41 <shom41@...>

Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 5:05:12 PM

Subject: [] Would you give up your sense of smell to not react?

 

If you feel your MCS is caused by particles (likely mold/mycotoxin/neurotoxin)

landing on your olfactory

neuroepithelium, which results in electrical impulses and excitotoxicity, why

can't we just block that from happening?

I understand this sounds ridiculous, but if I put cotton in my nostrils, my

chemical sensitivities go away. I breathe through my mouth and it can touch my

skin, but it's only during my nose breathing that I have a reaction which I

control with GABA agonists and NMDA antagonists.

[Guest guest]

Tom,

I've had a number of clients over the years who had no sense of

smell but would react to fragrances. If they stuffed their nose or

wore a nose clip they didn't react.

That tells me they weren't reacting from fear because the smelled

something. They couldn't smell anything!

It also tells me the effect on the body wasn't dependant upon a

functioning sense of smell.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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If you feel your MCS is caused by particles (likely

mold/mycotoxin/neurotoxin) landing on your olfactory

neuroepithelium, which results in electrical impulses and excitotoxicity,

why can't we just block that from happening?

I understand this sounds ridiculous, but if I put cotton in my nostrils, my

chemical sensitivities go away. I breathe through my mouth and it can

touch my skin, but it's only during my nose breathing that I have a

reaction which I control with GABA agonists and NMDA antagonists.

So, the olfactory epithelium is 2.5cm^2 up behind your nose. Why can't I

just insert a thin plastic (I'm not sure what to use that wouldn't cause me

harm) layer that would cover it up and prevent the reaction from ever

starting? If it's a thin layer, it won't be as obstructive as shoving cotton in

your nose which changes your voice and breathing through your mouth

all day is not pleasant.

I think when I had a solvent exposure, I injured my mucosal layer, or

created new nerve fibers that extend to the olfactory bulb ultimately

reaching the amygdala causing fight or flight anxiety/hypersensitivity.

Now, I'm susceptible to one type of something which I suspect is a

mold/mycotoxin.

Yes, this is a crazy idea, but I'm dead serious about using some sort of

lubricant, patch, layer etc. to do this. It wouldn't be permanent of course

as it could be rinsed out or removable. If you think about it, it's no

crazier than implants, heart stents or any other odd thing you can think

of.

Obviously though, you're blocking your smell receptors when this is in.

Tom

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[Guest guest]

Most likely the trigeminal nose is the source of the reaction to volatiles.

Re: [] Would you give up your sense of smell to not

react?

Tom,

I've had a number of clients over the years who had no sense of

smell but would react to fragrances. If they stuffed their nose or

wore a nose clip they didn't react.

That tells me they weren't reacting from fear because the smelled

something. They couldn't smell anything!

It also tells me the effect on the body wasn't dependant upon a

functioning sense of smell.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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[Guest guest]

Tom, I'll share something kindof like that, I sometimes took gause rolled it up

and wetted it and it help catch particles,ect. that

would give me some short lived relief to many things that were aggervateing my

sinus damage if it was something I couldn't get away from immediatly and the

moisture helped relieve some of the pain

exspecially if your haveing problems with dryness.

also in some situations if I know I'm going to be getting assulted at least a

damp washrag held over and around the nose can help to some degree,for a little

bit.

washing my sinuses out after known re-exposures also helps.

I dont believe that loseing your sence of smell is going to stop re-exposures

from causeing effects. and you really need that sence of smell to help protect

you. of corse there is probably a difference in loseing your sence of smell and

the damage that may go along with that in a WDB exposure and haveing a operation

to lose your sence of smell. that might sound like a tempting idea, but I

wouldn't do it.

you need to have a deep sinus wash than do it on a regular dailey basis and with

re-exposures to help. I have polops and cysts and they can cause pain, washing

my sinuses is the only thing I've found to keep some of this under control.

you can buy nasal rinces in squirt bottles in the store, dump out their solution

if it doesn't agree with you and add your own, carry them with you and dip into

a bathroom for a quick nasal rince if needed, this has help me get through a few

situations.

>

> If you feel your MCS is caused by particles (likely mold/mycotoxin/neurotoxin)

landing on your olfactory

> neuroepithelium, which results in electrical impulses and excitotoxicity, why

can't we just block that from happening?

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've also read of a operation where they take a tissue graft and

place it in the nasal roof when it's damaged. but there were problems conserning

the graft takeing hold, sounded iffy to me.

believe me, I know where you are comeing from,spent some time researching this

looking for answers.

best advice I can give is washing the sinuses and advoidence.

maybe try a antifungal nasal spray.

it's not fun to have lost sence of smell and taste.

you well always crave to smell things like you did before and taste things you

can no longer taste, it may even lead to weight gain.

>

> If you feel your MCS is caused by particles (likely mold/mycotoxin/neurotoxin)

landing on your olfactory

> neuroepithelium, which results in electrical impulses and excitotoxicity, why

can't we just block that from happening?

>

> I understand this sounds ridiculous, but if I put cotton in my nostrils, my

chemical sensitivities go away. I breathe through my mouth and it can touch my

skin, but it's only during my nose breathing that I have a reaction which I

control with GABA agonists and NMDA antagonists.

>

> So, the olfactory epithelium is 2.5cm^2 up behind your nose. Why can't I just

insert a thin plastic (I'm not sure what to use that wouldn't cause me harm)

layer that would cover it up and prevent the reaction from ever starting? If

it's a thin layer, it won't be as obstructive as shoving cotton in your nose

which changes your voice and breathing through your mouth all day is not

pleasant.

>

> I think when I had a solvent exposure, I injured my mucosal layer, or created

new nerve fibers that extend to the olfactory bulb ultimately reaching the

amygdala causing fight or flight anxiety/hypersensitivity. Now, I'm susceptible

to one type of something which I suspect is a mold/mycotoxin.

>

> Yes, this is a crazy idea, but I'm dead serious about using some sort of

lubricant, patch, layer etc. to do this. It wouldn't be permanent of course as

it could be rinsed out or removable. If you think about it, it's no crazier

than implants, heart stents or any other odd thing you can think of.

>

> Obviously though, you're blocking your smell receptors when this is in.

>

> Tom

>

[Guest guest]

I have a little trick I use. If I'm in a store that is affecting me badly-the

floor cleaner or something smells wrong-I take out a small bottle of safe

scented oil and immediately put some on a tissue and hold it over my nose.

Sometimes, my brain can be " tricked " into forgetting the exposure especially if

I run out of the store. It has worked. So there is something to the sense of

smell being important. I'd give it up in a minute if I could be well again!

>

> If you feel your MCS is caused by particles (likely mold/mycotoxin/neurotoxin)

landing on your olfactory

> neuroepithelium, which results in electrical impulses and excitotoxicity, why

can't we just block that from happening?

>

> I understand this sounds ridiculous, but if I put cotton in my nostrils, my

chemical sensitivities go away. I breathe through my mouth and it can touch my

skin, but it's only during my nose breathing that I have a reaction which I

control with GABA agonists and NMDA antagonists.

>

[Guest guest]

Wow...again, I find some possible solutions to very challenging problems.  I'm

going to check these out.  I love the experience and wisdom found here. 

Gratitude to you,

sally

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From: surellabaer <surellabaer@...>

Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 6:57:27 AM

Subject: [] Re: Would you give up your sense of smell to not react?

 

I have a little trick I use. If I'm in a store that is affecting me badly-the

floor cleaner or something smells wrong-I take out a small bottle of safe

scented oil and immediately put some on a tissue and hold it over my nose.

Sometimes, my brain can be " tricked " into forgetting the exposure especially if

I run out of the store. It has worked. So there is something to the sense of

smell being important. I'd give it up in a minute if I could be well again!

>

> If you feel your MCS is caused by particles (likely mold/mycotoxin/neurotoxin)

>landing on your olfactory

> neuroepithelium, which results in electrical impulses and excitotoxicity, why

>can't we just block that from happening?

>

> I understand this sounds ridiculous, but if I put cotton in my nostrils, my

>chemical sensitivities go away. I breathe through my mouth and it can touch my

>skin, but it's only during my nose breathing that I have a reaction which I

>control with GABA agonists and NMDA antagonists.

>

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