Re: Sauna therapy L. Ron Hubbard

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Don't know R.Hubbard. Sauna really helps detoxing, making spinal chord souple

again after exposure heavy metal and fungi. Not shure if it is specially good

for one or both.

>

> Has anyone ever tried Ron Hubbard's protocal for dexto in your sauna? I have

Mercury and yeast (and maybe mold) I have a Heavenly Heat sauna and have been

using for two days now and have noticed some improvment in eyes and taste.

>

[Guest guest]

i don't think sauna gets the heavy metals out so much as detoxing

chemicals and mold toxins. sue v.

>Hello,

>Don't know R.Hubbard. Sauna really helps detoxing, making spinal chord

>souple again after exposure heavy metal and fungi. Not shure if it is

>specially good for one or both.

>

>--- In , " deb3857wick " <deborahkharper@...>

>wrote:

>>

>> Has anyone ever tried Ron Hubbard's protocal for dexto in your sauna?

>I have Mercury and yeast (and maybe mold) I have a Heavenly Heat sauna

>and have been using for two days now and have noticed some improvment in

>eyes and taste.

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would have to disagree with you about this one Sue. When I came to Dallas to

EHC I had very high mercury and got it down to normal. No Ivs or chelation, just

sauna... and did it faithfully for over a year. D

>

> i don't think sauna gets the heavy metals out so much as detoxing

> chemicals and mold toxins. sue v.

>

>

> >Hello,

> >Don't know R.Hubbard. Sauna really helps detoxing, making spinal chord

> >souple again after exposure heavy metal and fungi. Not shure if it is

> >specially good for one or both.

> >

> >--- In , " deb3857wick " <deborahkharper@>

> >wrote:

> >>

> >> Has anyone ever tried Ron Hubbard's protocal for dexto in your sauna?

> >I have Mercury and yeast (and maybe mold) I have a Heavenly Heat sauna

> >and have been using for two days now and have noticed some improvment in

> >eyes and taste.

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Diane,

That is interesting to know, I think Dr. Rea told me that sauna didn't

pull out much in the way of metals, glad to hear that, how many times a

week did you sauna for that year, and did you do the long list of

supplements that are part of dr rea's sauna protocol, or did you just

replace minerals?

thanks, sue v.

>I would have to disagree with you about this one Sue. When I came to

>Dallas to EHC I had very high mercury and got it down to normal. No Ivs

>or chelation, just sauna... and did it faithfully for over a year. D

>

>

>>

>> i don't think sauna gets the heavy metals out so much as detoxing

>> chemicals and mold toxins. sue v.

>>

[Guest guest]

For the few people that emailed me personally about this, may I suggest you read

" Detoxify or Die " by Sherry . I am not comfortable giving suggestions on

how to remove mercury/heavy metals with sauna therapy as everyone is so

different. I also think if you are detoxing metals, a doctor should be available

to you for consult and necessary lab work. D

> >

> > i don't think sauna gets the heavy metals out so much as detoxing

> > chemicals and mold toxins. sue v.

> >

> >

> > >Hello,

> > >Don't know R.Hubbard. Sauna really helps detoxing, making spinal chord

> > >souple again after exposure heavy metal and fungi. Not shure if it is

> > >specially good for one or both.

> > >

> > >--- In , " deb3857wick " <deborahkharper@>

> > >wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Has anyone ever tried Ron Hubbard's protocal for dexto in your sauna?

> > >I have Mercury and yeast (and maybe mold) I have a Heavenly Heat sauna

> > >and have been using for two days now and have noticed some improvment in

> > >eyes and taste.

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

your suggestions are great.

if i may add something. i have heavy metal toxicity, mercury. i found through

hair test and urine. many of us with damaged immune sys, have more than one

problem. i am chelating under dr andrew culter's protocol. his is the

shoemaker of mercury

for anyone interested in learning more about mercury, there is a group,

frequent dose chelation (it is dr cutler's group). it is helping me to educate

myself and chelate and detox properly. dr are hard to find, for they believe

about mercury as many dr believe about mold, unfortunately

denise

[Guest guest]

Yes, Diane, it is imperative that detoxing be done under the guidance

of your doctor who can monitor liver enzymes, etc. Mycotoxins take

their toll the same way with everyone, but affect organs differently

in varying degrees.

Barth

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d> For the few people that emailed me personally about this, may I suggest you

read " Detoxify or Die " by Sherry . I am not comfortable giving suggestions

on how to remove mercury/heavy metals

d> with sauna therapy as everyone is so different. I also think if you are

detoxing metals, a doctor should be available to you for consult and necessary

lab work. D

[Guest guest]

I did daily sauna for a year and also did the supplements that they give you at

EHC before and after the sauna. I sweat so fiercely that they would always

comment on it so I think that is why I was so successful with that therapy. D

> >>

> >> i don't think sauna gets the heavy metals out so much as detoxing

> >> chemicals and mold toxins. sue v.

> >>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Sherry book is also confusing because she says you can take this,

or you can take that, or .... too many options...

So, what is the correct way, I have a sauna and would like to be using

it in the most beneficial way possible, there is a lot of conflicting

info on best type of sauna, best way to do it, etc. all very confusing,

what have you found most helpful for you, recognizing that might not be

the right thing for me or anyone else, and that you are not giving me

medical advice. thanks, sue v

>I did read Sherry book and I was not impressed. She does give

>some good information, but there is also some information that is not

>correct at all. I would not use this as a strict guideline. I have

>done 5 years of research and have a good knowledge base. I have also

>seen a lot of doctors that do not believe in this. So to find a doctor

>that can help is a real challange. I have more luck doing my own thing

>and have seen more improvement in my health with what I have done.

>Sauna therapy is vey helpful if you do it the correct way.

>

[Guest guest]

I read Detoxify or Die and tried to follow the protocal but the vitamin regimen

was tough. I cut it down to what I could deal with trying to get at least one

of every category.

Sherry also states that she did not sweat, nor did I. Sort of

frustrating as that is why you are there. You an also do a scrub with sea salt

or epsom salts starting at the feet and scrub up.

Some people get sick doing all this. Of course there is coffee colonics to help

get rid of toxins? Maybe a combination? Just an idea.

Meredith

>

> Has anyone ever tried Ron Hubbard's protocal for dexto in your sauna? I have

Mercury and yeast (and maybe mold) I have a Heavenly Heat sauna and have been

using for two days now and have noticed some improvment in eyes and taste.

>

[Guest guest]

I didn't sweat for many, many years also. I wonder why that happens.

Barth

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f> I read Detoxify or Die and tried to follow the protocal but the vitamin

regimen was tough. I cut it down to what I could deal with trying to get at

least one of every category.

f> Sherry also states that she did not sweat, nor did I. Sort of

frustrating as that is why you are there. You an also do a scrub with sea salt

or epsom salts starting at the feet and scrub

f> up.

f> Some people get sick doing all this. Of course there is coffee colonics to

help get rid of toxins? Maybe a combination? Just an idea.

f> Meredith

f> --- In , " deb3857wick " <deborahkharper@...>

wrote:

>>

>> Has anyone ever tried Ron Hubbard's protocal for dexto in your sauna? I have

Mercury and yeast (and maybe mold) I have a Heavenly Heat sauna and have been

using for two days now and have noticed

>> some improvment in eyes and taste.

>>

[Guest guest]

I sweat less & feel cold easier since mold exposure

I guess it means we're holding onto toxins. Can mean thyroid & or adrenals.

We need iodine to heat the body to help our thyroids. Some use sea salt for

thyroid, but may need more than that. Fluoride & other toxins  deplete iodine.

We have to be choosy w brands of sea salt, some are bleached.

 Read aluminum was added to regular bleached/white salt.

Pink Mediterranean salt & Himalayan salt is rich in iodine & other minerals.

Kathy

From: Patilla DaHun <glypella@...>

Subject: Re: [] Re: Sauna therapy L. Ron Hubbard

I didn't sweat for many, many years also. I wonder why that happens.

Barth

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[Guest guest]

Dr. Rea says the non-sweaters have a damaged autonomic nervous system. Its your

brain/body conncection that makes you sweat when hot and shiver when cold. That

part of the nervous system gets injured and then does not respond appropriately.

D

>

> I didn't sweat for many, many years also. I wonder why that happens.

>

> Barth

>

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>

> f> I read Detoxify or Die and tried to follow the protocal but the vitamin

regimen was tough. I cut it down to what I could deal with trying to get at

least one of every category.

> f> Sherry also states that she did not sweat, nor did I. Sort of

frustrating as that is why you are there. You an also do a scrub with sea salt

or epsom salts starting at the feet and scrub

> f> up.

> f> Some people get sick doing all this. Of course there is coffee colonics to

help get rid of toxins? Maybe a combination? Just an idea.

> f> Meredith

>

> f> --- In , " deb3857wick " <deborahkharper@>

wrote:

> >>

> >> Has anyone ever tried Ron Hubbard's protocal for dexto in your sauna? I

have Mercury and yeast (and maybe mold) I have a Heavenly Heat sauna and have

been using for two days now and have noticed

> >> some improvment in eyes and taste.

> >>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Group-

It can be frustrating to be an ineffective sweater as after all, it's one of the

three natural human pathways of detoxification, which are urine, stool and

sweat. If one is detox impaired, it may show up in one of those three as well

as others.

I have to go to extremes to sweat such as running on a 100 degree day. Fellow

runners will be drenched, me not as much. I always have that feeling like my

skin/body is plugged up. Even saunas, even extreme body brushing, even extreme

exercise in heat never really gives me that feeling like my skin is wide open

and my body is just breathing. And that's saying a lot considering the skin is

the body's largest organ.

Of everything I have tried including sauna, chelation, preservative free allergy

shots, boatloads of herbs and supplements...four things have been in my regime

that I don't know if I would be functioning without:

1. Dr Sherry Detox Cocktail

2. Dr Sherry and/or Hulda Liver & Gallbladder Flush

3. Dr Serafina Corsello's Detox Tea

4. Quarterly systemic cleanses

Kathy

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I

didn't sweat for many, many years also. I wonder why that happens.

Barth www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html

SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html

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I read Detoxify or Die and tried to follow the protocal but the vitamin regimen

was tough. I cut it down to what I could deal with trying to get at least one

of every category. Sherry also states that she did not sweat, nor did I.

Sort of frustrating as that is why you are there. You an also do a scrub with

sea salt or epsom salts starting at the feet and scrub up. Some people get sick

doing all this. Of course there is coffee colonics to help get rid of toxins?

Maybe a combination? Just an idea. Meredith

[Guest guest]

interesting....i know a lot of EI patients have difficulty sweating at

least initially...

sue

>Dr. Rea says the non-sweaters have a damaged autonomic nervous system.

>Its your brain/body conncection that makes you sweat when hot and shiver

>when cold. That part of the nervous system gets injured and then does

>not respond appropriately. D

>

>

>>

>> I didn't sweat for many, many years also. I wonder why that happens.

>>

>> Barth

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>> f> I read Detoxify or Die and tried to follow the protocal but the

>vitamin regimen was tough. I cut it down to what I could deal with

>trying to get at least one of every category.

>> f> Sherry also states that she did not sweat, nor did I. Sort

>of frustrating as that is why you are there. You an also do a scrub

>with sea salt or epsom salts starting at the feet and scrub

>> f> up.

>> f> Some people get sick doing all this. Of course there is coffee

>colonics to help get rid of toxins? Maybe a combination? Just an idea.

>> f> Meredith

[Guest guest]

does dr rea say your autonomic nervous sys can heal?

what is EI patients?

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From: sue <svican@...>

Sent: Mon, January 24, 2011 4:59:54 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Sauna therapy L. Ron Hubbard

interesting....i know a lot of EI patients have difficulty sweating at

least initially...

sue

[Guest guest]

You're not sweating in the Heavenly Heat sauna?

>

> Hi Group-

>

> It can be frustrating to be an ineffective sweater as after all, it's one of

the three natural human pathways of detoxification, which are urine, stool and

sweat. If one is detox impaired, it may show up in one of those three as well

as others.

>

> I have to go to extremes to sweat such as running on a 100 degree day. Fellow

runners will be drenched, me not as much. I always have that feeling like my

skin/body is plugged up. Even saunas, even extreme body brushing, even extreme

exercise in heat never really gives me that feeling like my skin is wide open

and my body is just breathing. And that's saying a lot considering the skin is

the body's largest organ.

>

> Of everything I have tried including sauna, chelation, preservative free

allergy shots, boatloads of herbs and supplements...four things have been in my

regime that I don't know if I would be functioning without:

>

> 1. Dr Sherry Detox Cocktail

> 2. Dr Sherry and/or Hulda Liver & Gallbladder Flush

> 3. Dr Serafina Corsello's Detox Tea

> 4. Quarterly systemic cleanses

>

> Kathy

[Guest guest]

when we saw dr rea he sent my son to an energy worker for his out of

whack autonomic nervous system, it did not help him and it cost lots of

money, we could have done it for years if we stayed in dallas, i know a

patient who did it for over a year, maybe $30,000 into it, it did not

help her either, i think meditation, relaxation therapy, yoga might help

and per dr rea also. google dr vinitsky, he has a book about resetting

the autonomic nervous system, again meditation, but you have to be

willing to work at it, since my son believes nothing will help, he will

not try these things, and he won't get well either.

EI is short for environmental illness

sue v

does dr rea say your autonomic nervous sys can heal?

>

>what is EI patients?

>

>

>

>________________________________

>From: sue <svican@...>

>

>Sent: Mon, January 24, 2011 4:59:54 PM

>Subject: Re: [] Re: Sauna therapy L. Ron Hubbard

>

>

>interesting....i know a lot of EI patients have difficulty sweating at

>least initially...

>

>sue

>

[Guest guest]

What symptoms does he have for his autonomic system showing it is off? I missed

your post that started topic.

>

> when we saw dr rea he sent my son to an energy worker for his out of

> whack autonomic nervous system, it did not help him and it cost lots of

> money, we could have done it for years if we stayed in dallas, i know a

> patient who did it for over a year, maybe $30,000 into it, it did not

> help her either, i think meditation, relaxation therapy, yoga might help

> and per dr rea also.

[Guest guest]

I think it depends on the severity of damage as to weither it well heal or not.

the nerve endings can fray to the point where they dont heal.

loss of the protective matter/fat around the nerve endings, demylination,ect.

mycotoxins can distroy the protective matter.

I still have problems with not sweating when I should be,

but when I finally do it's drenching. usually along with very painful migraines,

extremely sore neck,shoulders,back, and kidney pain.

I always fell better after sweating like that.

> >

> > when we saw dr rea he sent my son to an energy worker for his out of

> > whack autonomic nervous system, it did not help him and it cost lots of

> > money, we could have done it for years if we stayed in dallas, i know a

> > patient who did it for over a year, maybe $30,000 into it, it did not

> > help her either, i think meditation, relaxation therapy, yoga might help

> > and per dr rea also.

>

[Guest guest]

Does anyone what L Ron Hubbard's sauna technique is? or how it differs from

Sherry . I didn't know he wrote about health issues.

>

> Has anyone ever tried Ron Hubbard's protocal for dexto in your sauna? I have

Mercury and yeast (and maybe mold) I have a Heavenly Heat sauna and have been

using for two days now and have noticed some improvment in eyes and taste.

>

[Guest guest]

i don't know for sure, but someone told me that dr rea based his sauna

protocol on l ron hubbards.... sue v

>Does anyone what L Ron Hubbard's sauna technique is? or how it differs

>from Sherry . I didn't know he wrote about health issues.

>

[Guest guest]

EI=Environmental Illness

Yes, he says that the toxic state of your body has affected your brain/central

nervous system and as you rid the body of toxins/heavy metals, etc. your body

" re-sets " itself. I had a scarey petscan and he told me it was all reversible

with treatment and time. D

>

> does dr rea say your autonomic nervous sys can heal?

>

> what is EI patients?

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: sue <svican@...>

>

> Sent: Mon, January 24, 2011 4:59:54 PM

> Subject: Re: [] Re: Sauna therapy L. Ron Hubbard

>

>

> interesting....i know a lot of EI patients have difficulty sweating at

> least initially...

>

> sue

>

[Guest guest]

Your autonomic nervous system is in charge oF keeping your body in balance. The

start of this thread Barb, was about the inability to sweat and I posted that

your autonomic nervous system is to blame for that. If you sweat too little or

too much even, its your autonomic nervous system is damamged and trying to

re-set itself. Anything you have no conscious control over, ex: heartbeat, is

controlled by your autonomic nervous system. That is why many EIs have rapid

pulse when exposed to toxins. Just an example, I find it all fascinating.

I know this question was for Sue, didnt mean to answer for you Sue.

> >

> > when we saw dr rea he sent my son to an energy worker for his out of

> > whack autonomic nervous system, it did not help him and it cost lots of

> > money, we could have done it for years if we stayed in dallas, i know a

> > patient who did it for over a year, maybe $30,000 into it, it did not

> > help her either, i think meditation, relaxation therapy, yoga might help

> > and per dr rea also.

>

[Guest guest]

GOD and diane thank you.

how are you doing now? are you successfully detoxing the toxins? do you have

mold only or other like mercury? i do have mercury, maybe other heavy metals as

well, taking csm and oral chelation of DMPS and ALA for mercury(per dr andrew

cutler's protocol on frequent dose chelation group site).

i see you have added this...

" Your autonomic nervous system is in charge oF keeping your body in balance. The

start of this thread Barb, was about the inability to sweat and I posted that

your autonomic nervous system is to blame for that. If you sweat too little or

too much even, its your autonomic nervous system is damamged and trying to

re-set itself. Anything you have no conscious control over, ex: heartbeat, is

controlled by your autonomic nervous system. That is why many EIs have rapid

pulse when exposed to toxins. Just an example, I find it all fascinating. "

this is so interesting b/c when exposed to mold or chem VOC's my nerves start to

vibrate like i am leaning up to a generator. my muscles also are locked in spasm

which started with the mold, but got severely worse when i went to a dentist, i

can't prove it but after that visit, i have never been the same and my mercury

was off the charts and all the mercury sx came along with it. i have had weird

experiences of meditation that i get up and all my muscles have relaxed. it is

like my brain through relaxation stops over firing and my system calms down, it

doesn't happen all the time but when it does it is such a relief. but as my

brain starts firing and over firing my muscles tighten up again. i hope by

detoxing all this stuff in my body, my cns and muscles will return to normal. i

have tired to explain this to so many dr and they think i am crazy. i just know

my toxic problem and muscles are intertwined together, and i was suspect of my

brain and meditation and muscles are also linked somehow and it is the csn.

thank you denise

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From: dianebolton52 <dianebolton@...>

Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 12:37:39 PM

Subject: [] Re: Sauna therapy L. Ron Hubbard

EI=Environmental Illness

Yes, he says that the toxic state of your body has affected your brain/central

nervous system and as you rid the body of toxins/heavy metals, etc. your body

" re-sets " itself. I had a scarey petscan and he told me it was all reversible

with treatment and time. D