Re: Dr. Thrasher, this is the specific IgE and IgG testing I had,

[Guest guest]

same type testing but not from this lab.

mine was called HYTEC 288.

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> notice levels of specific IgE and also IgG 1-V1 , increaseing levels of

antibody.

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> I also had specific IgG.

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> http://www.biosignlabs.com/Sample_Lab_Report.html

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> PROFILE MOLD BT/ 011070 -02

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> Level of Specific IgE kU / L

Class Description

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> <0.05

0 Negitive

> 0.05 - 0.07

0/I Equivocal

> 0.08 - 0.15

I Increasing

> 0.16 - 0.50

II Levels

> 0.51 - 2.50

III of

> 2.51 - 12.50

IV Specific IgE

> 12.51- 62.50

V Antibody

> 62.51- >100.00

VI

>

[Guest guest]

The MFPT test indicates the presence of invasive fungal infections within the

human body caused by one, or more species of pathogenic fungi.

so, sence 2004 I had these records in my medical files and still no doctor's

would treat me for fungal infection.

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> notice levels of specific IgE and also IgG 1-V1 , increaseing levels of

antibody.

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> I also had specific IgG.

[Guest guest]

I need more information before I can make any statement. Where was the test

done? What are the reference values. What were your actual values.

[] Dr. Thrasher, this is the specific IgE and IgG

testing I had,

notice levels of specific IgE and also IgG 1-V1 , increaseing levels of

antibody.

I also had specific IgG.

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http://www.biosignlabs.com/Sample_Lab_Report.html

PROFILE MOLD BT/ 011070 -02

Level of Specific IgE kU / L Class Description

<0.05 0 Negitive

0.05 - 0.07 0/I Equivocal

0.08 - 0.15 I Increasing

0.16 - 0.50 II Levels

0.51 - 2.50 III of

2.51 - 12.50 IV Specific IgE

12.51- 62.50 V Antibody

62.51- >100.00 VI

[Guest guest]

done at a allergy,immology clinic, Dr. was AAEM listed member.

for IgE same reference levels as here.

Level of Specific IgE kU / L Class Description

class Conc IU/ml

<0.05 0 Negitive

0.05 - 0.07 0/I Equivocal

0.08 - 0.15 I Increasing

0.16 - 0.50 II Levels

0.51 - 2.50 III of

2.51 - 12.50 IV Specific IgE

12.51- 62.50 V Antibody

62.51- >100.00 VI

my IgE, ( I had limited testing)

egg white class 1 0.68

cow milk class 1 0.61

wheat neg.

penicillium notatum class 11 0.71

aspergillus fumigatus class 1 0.61

alternaria tenius class 1 0.63

specific IgG

level class discription

class Conc ug/ml (backwards u with tail)

neg.<1.00

1 1.00-3.00

11 3.00-10.00

111 10.00-30.00

1V >30.00

my testing

pencillium notatum class 1 14.22

candida albicans class 11 17.06

alternaria tenius class 111 36.24 (which is actually a class 1V)

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

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> I need more information before I can make any statement. Where was the test

done? What are the reference values. What were your actual values.

>

[Guest guest]

on specific IgG print out it says dilution ratio 1:100

from what I understand these are tottal IgE and IgG, than the class relates to

level of involement,

class 1 IgE-allergy hypersensitivity

IgG-non-allergic hypersensitivity

class 11 immunological involvement,cell injury

class 111 systemic, (vasculitis)

class 1V systemic with altered immune responce

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXh33sFsP8A

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> done at a allergy,immology clinic, Dr. was AAEM listed member.

> for IgE same reference levels as here.

> Level of Specific IgE kU / L Class Description

>

> class Conc IU/ml

> <0.05 0 Negitive

> 0.05 - 0.07 0/I Equivocal

> 0.08 - 0.15 I Increasing

> 0.16 - 0.50 II Levels

> 0.51 - 2.50 III of

> 2.51 - 12.50 IV Specific IgE

> 12.51- 62.50 V Antibody

> 62.51- >100.00 VI

>

> my IgE, ( I had limited testing)

> egg white class 1 0.68

> cow milk class 1 0.61

> wheat neg.

>

> penicillium notatum class 11 0.71

> aspergillus fumigatus class 1 0.61

> alternaria tenius class 1 0.63

>

> specific IgG

>

> level class discription

> class Conc ug/ml (backwards u with tail)

> neg.<1.00

> 1 1.00-3.00

> 11 3.00-10.00

> 111 10.00-30.00

> 1V >30.00

>

> my testing

>

> pencillium notatum class 1 14.22

> candida albicans class 11 17.06

> alternaria tenius class 111 36.24 (which is actually a class 1V)

>

[Guest guest]

what do you mean, please explain.

tottal IgE-immediate allergic respomce

tottal IgG -delayed non-allergic responce

and levels of gell and combs are not worth their salt?

tottal IgE and IgG do not relate to gell and combs levels?

IgE or IgG to a specific mold doesn't show a allergy or intolerance to that

mold?

or that none of this testing proves colonization or fungal infection?

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> > notice levels of specific IgE and also IgG 1-V1 , increaseing levels of

antibody.

> >

> > I also had specific IgG.

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

this is who I went to. Dr. AAEM member

http://www.allergy-solutions.com/Benefits/ScientificEvidence/default.aspx

http://www.allergy-solutions.com/Default.aspx

if you read about their new building they are not tottally stupied about

chemical exposures.

this doc's testing showed me that I had developed a severe intolerance to corn

that alone was priceless to me.

yes, I have had a few rounds of intradermal testing that has shown I'm highly

allergic to several molds. includeing done again with other testing done here.

the last time IgE was tested it was 0. the only thing I can make of that is that

by practiceing advoidance my tottal IgE has gone down.

> >

> > This is not worth its salt. It does not tell you what mold. It could be a

yeast or some type or possible fungus

> >

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[Guest guest]

sorry, haven't been felling to great, I'm not sure what your asking.

this testing was along with allergy,intradermal testing and some double blind

oral ,food/chemical/additive challanges,along with memory test while challanged.

I was suffering a exposure from the hotel hallway, capet fresh, when I got there

and he noted the pupils were dilated and I had dry lung,balance,ect.

the oral challanges probably would have went a little better if I hadn't of

gotten exposure at the hotel, was still suffering some from that, but still

could tell the effects of some of the oral challanges pretty well, like corn and

yeast. these were drops placed under the tounge, than after doing the memory

test and noteing numbing of lips, and any other reactions, I was given another

drop to counteract the first one.

he dignosed me with chemical sensivity and allergies.

actually MCS and allergies.

you can poohoo this all you want, I understand, however,

the fact remains that had I not done the double blind oral challange tests, I

may have never figured out that corn and corn products were

severly affecting my stomach for one thing and I hate to think of what shape I'd

be in now if I hadn't found this out.

corn products are in so many foods it would have been probably immposable for me

to ever realize my adversity to it.

I dont think my stomach and the bloody dierrhea would have even had a chance to

get any better had I not found this out.

and I do have chemical sensitivy, so considering the was a allergy and

immunology clinic and 2004, I felt pretty good about getting there and haveing

the kind of testing I had.

you really didn't explain your thoughts behind why you fell the testing isn't

reliable.

the interpatation of the results might be debatable depending on who you ask,

but are you saying the machine and the results themself are not reliable? from

what I've came across it appears that the results are trustable. how they are

interpited,I understand theres still dispute over.

to me it seems reasonable that with gell and combs levels 111 and 1V

and exposure in a WDB and organ damage that goes along with these levels could

very well include possable fungal infection and a very good chance of

colonization.

however I understand that when it comes to IgE and IgG and tottal counts, theres

alot of questions.

but still, just because some dont show IgE and/or IgG it doesn't mean they

should be tottally ignored, just like haveing mold allergies on top of toxicity

and colonization, from WDB exposures shouldn't be ignored.

from what I've read there could be several reasons why one doesn't show these

and it's not all related to allergies.

theres been discusion of IgG level 3 and HP and that not being allergy, yet I

present this and it gets poohooed. whys that?

there is a few articles out there that bring up IgG and non-allergy.

has there ever been testing for IgG with colonization?

maybe there should be.

I dont think we can poohoo something on the bases that science doesn't have all

the answers.

I've came across memtion of use of HYTEC 288 in several allergy

studies so some must think it's pretty reliable.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

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> I still do not know the method of tests that were performed.

>

> [] Re: Dr. Thrasher, this is the specific IgE and IgG

testing I had,

>

> done at a allergy,immology clinic, Dr. was AAEM listed member.

> for IgE same reference levels as here.

> Level of Specific IgE kU / L Class Description

>

> class Conc IU/ml

> <0.05 0 Negitive

> 0.05 - 0.07 0/I Equivocal

> 0.08 - 0.15 I Increasing

> 0.16 - 0.50 II Levels

> 0.51 - 2.50 III of

> 2.51 - 12.50 IV Specific IgE

> 12.51- 62.50 V Antibody

> 62.51- >100.00 VI

>

> my IgE, ( I had limited testing)

> egg white class 1 0.68

> cow milk class 1 0.61

> wheat neg.

>

> penicillium notatum class 11 0.71

> aspergillus fumigatus class 1 0.61

> alternaria tenius class 1 0.63

>

> specific IgG

>

> level class discription

> class Conc ug/ml (backwards u with tail)

> neg.<1.00

> 1 1.00-3.00

> 11 3.00-10.00

> 111 10.00-30.00

> 1V >30.00

>

> my testing

>

> pencillium notatum class 1 14.22

> candida albicans class 11 17.06

> alternaria tenius class 111 36.24 (which is actually a class 1V)

>

[Guest guest]

P.S. no biggy really, but I do think there may be value in the oral challange

for those that have alot of problems with stomach and foods.

regardless of weither they have any proven validity or not.

just my opinion.

also interesting that my intradermal testing included

T.C.E.

ALTERNARIA

CLADOSPORIUM

MOLD A

ASPERGILLUS

PENCILLIUM

FORMALIN

STACHY

FUSARIUM

EPPICOCCUM

PULLUARIA

some I haven't heard much on as far as testing for.

possitive to these. that why I've wondered if intradermal testing would just as

likely show a result weither hypersensitivity was allergic or non-allergic.

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> sorry, haven't been felling to great, I'm not sure what your asking.

> this testing was along with allergy,intradermal testing and some double blind

oral ,food/chemical/additive challanges,along with memory test while challanged.

>

> I was suffering a

[Guest guest]

I have read all of those, I've posted them to the group a long time ago.

nevermind.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

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> You continue to look up the wrong trees. You post many materials on this

exchange that may or may not have anything to do with yours and others illness.

You need to understand the complexity of the biocontaminants in water damaged

buildings. The WHO document on dampness and mold clearly states that the indoor

environment resulting from microbes (mold and bacteria) and their toxins is very

complicated causing multiple symptoms and health problems in occupants. Because

of the complexity, not one element (e.g., molds) can be blamed for the illness,

but that there is an interaction of all of theses elements, including bacteria

such as mycobacterium, beta glucans, endotoxins, etc, etc.

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> You have probably developed a systemic condition of the innate immune system

that produces whenever you are exposed to xenobiotics pro-inflammatory

cytokines. These affect the brain and other organs causing your symptoms. Yes,

you probably have H.P. irritable bowel syndrome among other health problems.

Yes, you have symptoms of MCS, so do others. Again, this is a systemic

inflammatory response that affects the CNS and other organs.

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> Since you like to get into the literature, I suggest that you go to pubmed and

locate the two papers by Dr. Ari Vojdani regarding Th17 t-cells and chronic

inflammation. These papers tell the story of the role of Th17 and their

pro-inflammatory cytokines. It is the Jedi against the dark side as I have said

on my web site.

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> [] Re: Dr. Thrasher, this is the specific IgE and IgG

testing I had,

>

> sorry, haven't been felling to great, I'm not sure what your asking.

> this testing was along with allergy,intradermal testing and some double

blind oral ,food/chemical/additive challanges,along with memory test while

challanged

>

[Guest guest]

please dont make statements of any testing not being dependable if you dont know

for sure it's not. that's a matter of who you talk to I'm sure. regardlesss of

weither you want to take the allergy part of this ill serious or not is you

opinion, just like I have mine.

you haven't lived this. for one thing you need to realize that your contantly

telling a bunch of people that have problems with brain functions to go read

this and go read that and it's hard enough to absorb in everything we need to

know

and many aren't going to understand much of what they read anyway cause they

haven't spent their life centered around understanding how the body functions.

and reading about it and actually soaking it in and remembering it is very hard.

please dont belittle those of us that try very hard to understand because you

have no idea just how hard it is or you'd be pretty amased by what many have

managed to do dispite how they function or fell.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

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> You continue to look up the wrong trees. You post many materials on this

exchange that may or may not have anything to do with yours and others illness.

[Guest guest]

I'm fully aware of that. and I dont keep spending money on testing ,

this testing was done a long time ago, before I even came to this group. it was

basicly the first testing I had. other than a local allergest my doctor sent me

to.

I didn't even know about Shoemaker or Gray at that time.

your the one that goes on and on about haveing a dignoses of MCS if you have a

court case, is a bad thing. your the one that has caused me to try to get a

better understanding of this testing I had done 6 years ago because of that.

theres really not a whole lot I dont understand about whats happened to me

between my two exposures, I've done alot of research and most of it was centered

around what I knew happened to me.

I actually was even the first one to bring up the role inflammation surely

played in this illness, long before you even joined the group.

give me a little credit for all the hard work I've done.

and no, I dont like reading so much, it's hard for me, but I am in a hard spot

here and have been sence the beggening of this BS. and it's what I've had to

do.

damn, I tought myself anatomy and went from there. not one damn bit of it was

easy. there were no answers than.

I've had to basicly prove my case to my lawyer, do you get that?

and if I had money to spend it would be on the treatment not more testing. dont

asume nothing when it comes to me.

I've had about all the asumeing from people that I can take.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

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> Take time out and understand what I have written. I am not taking anything

lightly. You keep spending money on testing that probably are not revealing the

true nature of your illness, whether it be allergies, asthma, H.P. MCS. The

basic problem is chronic inflammation.

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> [] Re: Dr. Thrasher, this is the specific IgE and IgG

testing I had,

>

> please dont make statements of any testing not being dependable if you dont

know for sure it's not.

>