Guest guest Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 I was just given nystatin for thrush In a message dated 1/24/2011 5:43:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dragonflymcs@... writes: Hi, Does anyone have a published paper on candida thrush from a water damaged building??? God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Hi, Does anyone have a published paper on candida thrush from a water damaged building??? God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 I take swish and swallow Nystatin for over growth of yeast in the mouth Janet In a message dated 1/25/2011 6:53:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, denise.danel@... writes: so how does one get rid of the chronic inflammation by the innate immune system? there have to be answers for us to get our health back. seems we focus on what is wrong with us, and not what to do or take to help us thank you denise ________________________________ From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <_toxicologist1@..._ (mailto:toxicologist1@...) > _ _ (mailto: ) Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 2:04:22 PM Subject: Re: [] Help : Candida Thrush Candia takes over when there has been sufficient immune suppression to allow it to do so. People in WDB have many health problems including overgrowth of Candida. However, it is not the Candida that is causing the problem, it is the chronic inflammation by the innate immune system that is the problem. I doubt if there are any publications on Candida and WDB. I have not seen any to this effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Can anyone help me with a published paper on Candida in WDB or something similar?? God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Candia takes over when there has been sufficient immune suppression to allow it to do so. People in WDB have many health problems including overgrowth of Candida. However, it is not the Candida that is causing the problem, it is the chronic inflammation by the innate immune system that is the problem. I doubt if there are any publications on Candida and WDB. I have not seen any to this effect. Re: [] Help : Candida Thrush Can anyone help me with a published paper on Candida in WDB or something similar?? God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 But I never had the thrush problem until I was exposed. Janet In a message dated 1/25/2011 8:40:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, grimes@... writes: Aspergillus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 I now show up with yeast on and in my ears too Janet In a message dated 1/25/2011 8:40:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, grimes@... writes: To add to what Dr Thrasher contributed below, I think another concern is " do people get Candida from exposure to Candida organisms in WDB? " Like they do from Aspergillus or Stachybotrys, for example. The impact of all the components and the complexity of a WDB on the immune system can create the internal environment, along with other factors such as long term use of antibiotics, which allows the internal Candida to amplify beyond that of the other micro-flora of the gut. What this means is Candida is already present in the gut and other body locations, even without exposure to the organisms in WDB or anywhere else. When something interferes with the normal functioning of the body then Candida and/or other organism can expand. It is not presence inside or outside the body that is key, it is " growth " inside the body which the bodily functioning and immune system cannot control. Again, mere presence is not the problem. With radiation mere presence for even a moment can be very serious. But not necessarily with mold, yeast, and bacteria. For instance, it is now generally known and accepted that the number of mold, yeast, and bacteria in and on the human body outnumber the cells in the human body 10 to 1. Not all are harmful, some are needed, but the complex ecosystem of the body must be in some sort of balance. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- Candia takes over when there has been sufficient immune suppression to allow it to do so. People in WDB have many health problems including overgrowth of Candida. However, it is not the Candida that is causing the problem, it is the chronic inflammation by the innate immune system that is the problem. I doubt if there are any publications on Candida and WDB. I have not seen any to this effect. Re: [] Help : Candida Thrush Can anyone help me with a published paper on Candida in WDB or something similar?? God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: DEFAULT.BMP Date: 15 Jun 2009, 23:10 Size: 358 bytes. Type: Unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 so how does one get rid of the chronic inflammation by the innate immune system? there have to be answers for us to get our health back. seems we focus on what is wrong with us, and not what to do or take to help us thank you denise ________________________________ From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 2:04:22 PM Subject: Re: [] Help : Candida Thrush Candia takes over when there has been sufficient immune suppression to allow it to do so. People in WDB have many health problems including overgrowth of Candida. However, it is not the Candida that is causing the problem, it is the chronic inflammation by the innate immune system that is the problem. I doubt if there are any publications on Candida and WDB. I have not seen any to this effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 That is the question. No one has figured this out yet. We have only just begun to understand the mechanism (s). Drs. Shoemaker, Gray, McMahon and Hope are able to accomplish some turn off, but not completely. It is turning off the genetic signals in the macrophage that cause the inflammation and turning on the signals that revert them back to normal function. If the turned on genetic signals are epigenetic (not mutations) the chore will be even more difficult, but may be accomplished. The key is as Carl, , me and the above doctors say, " prevent and/or stay away from exposures that exacerbate your condition " . Re: [] Help : Candida Thrush so how does one get rid of the chronic inflammation by the innate immune system? there have to be answers for us to get our health back. seems we focus on what is wrong with us, and not what to do or take to help us thank you denise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 To add to what Dr Thrasher contributed below, I think another concern is " do people get Candida from exposure to Candida organisms in WDB? " Like they do from Aspergillus or Stachybotrys, for example. The impact of all the components and the complexity of a WDB on the immune system can create the internal environment, along with other factors such as long term use of antibiotics, which allows the internal Candida to amplify beyond that of the other micro-flora of the gut. What this means is Candida is already present in the gut and other body locations, even without exposure to the organisms in WDB or anywhere else. When something interferes with the normal functioning of the body then Candida and/or other organism can expand. It is not presence inside or outside the body that is key, it is " growth " inside the body which the bodily functioning and immune system cannot control. Again, mere presence is not the problem. With radiation mere presence for even a moment can be very serious. But not necessarily with mold, yeast, and bacteria. For instance, it is now generally known and accepted that the number of mold, yeast, and bacteria in and on the human body outnumber the cells in the human body 10 to 1. Not all are harmful, some are needed, but the complex ecosystem of the body must be in some sort of balance. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- Candia takes over when there has been sufficient immune suppression to allow it to do so. People in WDB have many health problems including overgrowth of Candida. However, it is not the Candida that is causing the problem, it is the chronic inflammation by the innate immune system that is the problem. I doubt if there are any publications on Candida and WDB. I have not seen any to this effect. Re: [] Help : Candida Thrush Can anyone help me with a published paper on Candida in WDB or something similar?? God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Dr. Wm Crooks book " The Yeast Connection " actually makes the connection with unhealthy buildings and candida. Great read~ D --- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> wrote: > > Candia takes over when there has been sufficient immune suppression to allow it to do so. People in WDB have many health problems including overgrowth of Candida. However, it is not the Candida that is causing the problem, it is the chronic inflammation by the innate immune system that is the problem. I doubt if there are any publications on Candida and WDB. I have not seen any to this effect. > Re: [] Help : Candida Thrush > > Can anyone help me with a published paper on Candida in WDB or something > similar?? > > God Bless !! > dragonflymcs > Mayleen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 You can say that again, Dr Thrasher! take good care-- Vicki From: Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. <toxicologist1@...> Subject: Re: [] Help : Candida Thrush Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 12:14 AM  That is the question. No one has figured this out yet. We have only just begun to understand the mechanism (s). Drs. Shoemaker, Gray, McMahon and Hope are able to accomplish some turn off, but not completely. It is turning off the genetic signals in the macrophage that cause the inflammation and turning on the signals that revert them back to normal function. If the turned on genetic signals are epigenetic (not mutations) the chore will be even more difficult, but may be accomplished. The key is as Carl, , me and the above doctors say, " prevent and/or stay away from exposures that exacerbate your condition " . Re: [] Help : Candida Thrush so how does one get rid of the chronic inflammation by the innate immune system? there have to be answers for us to get our health back. seems we focus on what is wrong with us, and not what to do or take to help us thank you denise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Janet, I understand and agree. My point wasn't WDB can't or won't lead to Candida overgrowth. It was exposure to environmental Candida isn't what causes Candida overgrowth. We all have Candida already but most aren't " infected. " The damage to our immune system caused by many things, one of which is sometimes WDB, can cause Candida overgrowth and/or other damage. In my case my life-long Candida since childhood, unrecognized and untreated, came first. Later I began reacting to other things. Still later to even more. As I sorted it out and learned to manage my exposures and better interpret what was happening I am left again with primarily dealing with Candida. For others, such as yourself, the sequence was different, even opposite. It is one thing I can't fix beyond drugs. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC (fm my Blackberry) Re: [] Help : Candida Thrush I now show up with yeast on and in my ears too Janet In a message dated 1/25/2011 8:40:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, grimes@... writes: To add to what Dr Thrasher contributed below, I think another concern is " do people get Candida from exposure to Candida organisms in WDB? " Like they do from Aspergillus or Stachybotrys, for example. The impact of all the components and the complexity of a WDB on the immune system can create the internal environment, along with other factors such as long term use of antibiotics, which allows the internal Candida to amplify beyond that of the other micro-flora of the gut. What this means is Candida is already present in the gut and other body locations, even without exposure to the organisms in WDB or anywhere else. When something interferes with the normal functioning of the body then Candida and/or other organism can expand. It is not presence inside or outside the body that is key, it is " growth " inside the body which the bodily functioning and immune system cannot control. Again, mere presence is not the problem. With radiation mere presence for even a moment can be very serious. But not necessarily with mold, yeast, and bacteria. For instance, it is now generally known and accepted that the number of mold, yeast, and bacteria in and on the human body outnumber the cells in the human body 10 to 1. Not all are harmful, some are needed, but the complex ecosystem of the body must be in some sort of balance. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- Candia takes over when there has been sufficient immune suppression to allow it to do so. People in WDB have many health problems including overgrowth of Candida. However, it is not the Candida that is causing the problem, it is the chronic inflammation by the innate immune system that is the problem. I doubt if there are any publications on Candida and WDB. I have not seen any to this effect. Re: [] Help : Candida Thrush Can anyone help me with a published paper on Candida in WDB or something similar?? God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: DEFAULT.BMP Date: 15 Jun 2009, 23:10 Size: 358 bytes. Type: Unknown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Thank you Dr Thrasher,,,,,,,, I do understand that the Candida is not the problem ,,,,,,,,,, I was just looking for a paper regarding the connection between Candida and WDB. People have said to me that you cannot get Candida in a WDB. I know many who have been in a WDB have developed Candida and sometimes was the first thing noticed with many. God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 4:04:22 PM Subject: Re: [] Help : Candida Thrush Candia takes over when there has been sufficient immune suppression to allow it to do so. People in WDB have many health problems including overgrowth of Candida. However, it is not the Candida that is causing the problem, it is the chronic inflammation by the innate immune system that is the problem. I doubt if there are any publications on Candida and WDB. I have not seen any to this effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Thank you for your contributions also Carl. Are there Candida organisms in a WDB of a different species not albicans ?? Have you ever found any ?? God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...> Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 7:40:42 PM Subject: Re: [] Help : Candida Thrush To add to what Dr Thrasher contributed below, I think another concern is " do people get Candida from exposure to Candida organisms in WDB? " Like they do from Aspergillus or Stachybotrys, for example. The impact of all the components and the complexity of a WDB on the immune system can create the internal environment, along with other factors such as long term use of antibiotics, which allows the internal Candida to amplify beyond that of the other micro-flora of the gut. What this means is Candida is already present in the gut and other body locations, even without exposure to the organisms in WDB or anywhere else. When something interferes with the normal functioning of the body then Candida and/or other organism can expand. It is not presence inside or outside the body that is key, it is " growth " inside the body which the bodily functioning and immune system cannot control. Again, mere presence is not the problem. With radiation mere presence for even a moment can be very serious. But not necessarily with mold, yeast, and bacteria. For instance, it is now generally known and accepted that the number of mold, yeast, and bacteria in and on the human body outnumber the cells in the human body 10 to 1. Not all are harmful, some are needed, but the complex ecosystem of the body must be in some sort of balance. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 me either Maybe we should do a poll on how many got thrush after exposure. As maybe one of the first signs of illness ? God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: " Gingersnap1964@... " <Gingersnap1964@...> Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 9:17:31 PM Subject: Re: [] Help : Candida Thrush But I never had the thrush problem until I was exposed. Janet In a message dated 1/25/2011 8:40:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, grimes@... writes: Aspergillus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 How is that ? How do you know, what does it look like ?? God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: " Gingersnap1964@... " <Gingersnap1964@...> Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 9:18:07 PM Subject: Re: [] Help : Candida Thrush I now show up with yeast on and in my ears too Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 white spots in your mouth and throat or a white coating. Janet In a message dated 1/26/2011 8:15:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dragonflymcs@... writes: How is that ? How do you know, what does it look like ?? God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: " _Gingersnap1964@..._ (mailto:Gingersnap1964@...) " <_Gingersnap1964@..._ (mailto:Gingersnap1964@...) > _ _ (mailto: ) Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 9:18:07 PM Subject: Re: [] Help : Candida Thrush I now show up with yeast on and in my ears too Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Thank you Carl Janet In a message dated 1/25/2011 11:08:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, grimes@... writes: Janet, I understand and agree. My point wasn't WDB can't or won't lead to Candida overgrowth. It was exposure to environmental Candida isn't what causes Candida overgrowth. We all have Candida already but most aren't " infected. " The damage to our immune system caused by many things, one of which is sometimes WDB, can cause Candida overgrowth and/or other damage. In my case my life-long Candida since childhood, unrecognized and untreated, came first. Later I began reacting to other things. Still later to even more. As I sorted it out and learned to manage my exposures and better interpret what was happening I am left again with primarily dealing with Candida. For others, such as yourself, the sequence was different, even opposite. It is one thing I can't fix beyond drugs. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC (fm my Blackberry) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Good reminders, Carl and Dr. T. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:40 PM, " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote: To add to what Dr Thrasher contributed below, I think another concern is " do people get Candida from exposure to Candida organisms in WDB? " Like they do from Aspergillus or Stachybotrys, for example. The impact of all the components and the complexity of a WDB on the immune system can create the internal environment, along with other factors such as long term use of antibiotics, which allows the internal Candida to amplify beyond that of the other micro-flora of the gut. What this means is Candida is already present in the gut and other body locations, even without exposure to the organisms in WDB or anywhere else. When something interferes with the normal functioning of the body then Candida and/or other organism can expand. It is not presence inside or outside the body that is key, it is " growth " inside the body which the bodily functioning and immune system cannot control. Again, mere presence is not the problem. With radiation mere presence for even a moment can be very serious. But not necessarily with mold, yeast, and bacteria. For instance, it is now generally known and accepted that the number of mold, yeast, and bacteria in and on the human body outnumber the cells in the human body 10 to 1. Not all are harmful, some are needed, but the complex ecosystem of the body must be in some sort of balance. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 my allergist found it in my ears on them they looked like little scabs Janet In a message dated 1/26/2011 1:39:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dragonflymcs@... writes: On and in your ears I mean God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: " _Gingersnap1964@..._ (mailto:Gingersnap1964@...) " <_Gingersnap1964@..._ (mailto:Gingersnap1964@...) > _ _ (mailto: ) Sent: Wed, January 26, 2011 8:16:51 AM Subject: Re: [] Help : Candida Thrush white spots in your mouth and throat or a white coating. Janet In a message dated 1/26/2011 8:15:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, _dragonflymcs@..._ (mailto:dragonflymcs@...) writes: How is that ? How do you know, what does it look like ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 On and in your ears I mean God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: " Gingersnap1964@... " <Gingersnap1964@...> Sent: Wed, January 26, 2011 8:16:51 AM Subject: Re: [] Help : Candida Thrush white spots in your mouth and throat or a white coating. Janet In a message dated 1/26/2011 8:15:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dragonflymcs@... writes: How is that ? How do you know, what does it look like ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Im sorry to hear that Kathi. Sounds like how thr government treated me when I got sick from mold. I wish you all the best Janet In a message dated 1/26/2011 5:55:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kpmanganaro@... writes: Mayleen, this is exactly what happened to me in 1983. The doctor that I finally found, after so many that didn't have a clue, treated me with nystatin and a low carb /low sugar diet, along with a low dose of armour thryoid for my low body temperature... I was exposed to a school roof that had leaked and had water damaged tiles above my head.There was mold behind the lowered ceiling, bu they never repaired the leak, even though they cleaned the area with bleach. My partner that shared the room with me didn't experience a thing. So now I know that I have the genotype and she didn't. ( I have had my test) There was asbestos in this building too and there were many deaths of young teachers in their 40's and 50's. But the mold absolutely suppressed my immune system. I do hope someone finds an article detailing this. BUT I am living proof of this happening. ( I was in four school s at the time and this was the only one that made me ill) I never was sick until starting work in this building. It changed my life forever.......and a pregnancy too Kathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Like I said never had it till I was exsposed to large amounts of mold Janet In a message dated 1/26/2011 5:49:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, toxicologist1@... writes: There are no such papers as I initially reported on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 I know many of the patients at Dr. Rea's had candida overgrowth. I think that its possible that the WDB caused stress on the body and immune system and gave the candida an opportunity to take hold. Makes sense, doesnt it? D > > Thank you Dr Thrasher,,,,,,,, > > I do understand that the Candida is not the problem ,,,,,,,,,, I was just > looking for a paper regarding the connection between Candida and WDB. People > have said to me that you cannot get Candida in a WDB. I know many who have > been in a WDB have developed Candida and sometimes was the first thing noticed > with many. > > > God Bless !! > dragonflymcs > Mayleen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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