Help : Candida Thrush

[Guest guest]

Both Carl and I have gone over this issue several times. Candida is normally

found in our bodies. Various exposure can cause Candidiasis. One of them is

water-damaged buildings. It usually results from immune suppression.

[] Re: Help : Candida Thrush

I know many of the patients at Dr. Rea's had candida overgrowth. I think that

its possible that the WDB caused stress on the body and immune system and gave

the candida an opportunity to take hold. Makes sense, doesnt it? D

>

> Thank you Dr Thrasher,,,,,,,,

>

> I do understand that the Candida is not the problem ,,,,,,,,,, I was just

> looking for a paper regarding the connection between Candida and WDB. People

> have said to me that you cannot get Candida in a WDB. I know many who have

> been in a WDB have developed Candida and sometimes was the first thing

noticed

> with many.

>

>

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

>

[Guest guest]

Yes. Suppressed immune system. I am looking for maybe a paper that has been

written on this. Maybe someone should write one on the connection. Maybe a

clue to a physicians who are not familiar with CIRS. I have not found it

listed as a condition connected to a WDB either

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: dianebolton52 <dianebolton@...>

Sent: Wed, January 26, 2011 2:15:24 PM

Subject: [] Re: Help : Candida Thrush

I know many of the patients at Dr. Rea's had candida overgrowth. I think that

its possible that the WDB caused stress on the body and immune system and gave

the candida an opportunity to take hold. Makes sense, doesnt it? D

[Guest guest]

Yes thank you Dr Thrasher

I do understand but others do not believe therefore I was looking for a paper

that maybe showed the connection. So they could understand too.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

Sent: Wed, January 26, 2011 3:31:00 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Help : Candida Thrush

Both Carl and I have gone over this issue several times. Candida is normally

found in our bodies. Various exposure can cause Candidiasis. One of them is

water-damaged buildings. It usually results from immune suppression.

[] Re: Help : Candida Thrush

I know many of the patients at Dr. Rea's had candida overgrowth. I think that

its possible that the WDB caused stress on the body and immune system and gave

the candida an opportunity to take hold. Makes sense, doesnt it? D

[Guest guest]

There are no such papers as I initially reported on this forum.

[] Re: Help : Candida Thrush

I know many of the patients at Dr. Rea's had candida overgrowth. I think that

its possible that the WDB caused stress on the body and immune system and gave

the candida an opportunity to take hold. Makes sense, doesnt it? D

[Guest guest]

I got a rare red candida in the mouth, only aids and cancer people get it mu Dr

said, really shook her up

>

> me either

>

> Maybe we should do a poll on how many got thrush after exposure. As maybe

one

> of the first signs of illness ?

>

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

[Guest guest]

Mayleen, this is exactly what happened to me in 1983. The doctor that I finally

found, after so many that didn't have a clue,  treated me with nystatin and a

low carb /low sugar diet, along with a low dose of armour thryoid for my low

body temperature... I was exposed to a school roof that had leaked and had water

damaged tiles above my head.There was mold behind the lowered ceiling, bu they

never repaired the leak, even though they cleaned the area with bleach.

 My partner that shared the room with me didn't experience a thing. So now I

know that I have the genotype and she didn't. ( I have had my test) There was

asbestos in this building too and there were many deaths of young teachers in

their 40's and 50's.  But the mold absolutely suppressed my immune system. I do

hope someone finds an article detailing this. BUT I am living proof of this

happening. ( I was in four school s at the time and this was the only one that

made me ill) I never was sick until starting work in this building. It changed

my life forever.......and a pregnancy too

Kathi

Re: [] Re: Help : Candida Thrush

 

Yes. Suppressed immune system. I am looking for maybe a paper that has been

written on this. Maybe someone should write one on the connection. Maybe a

clue to a physicians who are not familiar with CIRS. I have not found it

listed as a condition connected to a WDB either

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathi,

Sorry about so much loss of life.

You got the point, A paper somebody write one please. It may help other Dr have

a clue as to what may be happening to a person besides steroids, antibiotics,

etc. That a WDB can have this effect on a human body by suppressing the immune

system. They maybe these uneducated physicians can have a clue as to what maybe

making a person ill.

I too am an example, living proof of Candida Thrush and I have 2 others due

to suppression of the immune system in a WDB. Exactly what happened to me. 2

years of Dr's telling them I was ill, and I kept mentioning mold. They said no

way mold won't make you ill. I had a thrush they could not even see. Starring

them right in their faces. Someone please give them a clue.....

Was it the first thing you noticed or got ??

So sorry, would you like to talk about the pregnancy or not ?

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: " kpmanganaro@... " <kpmanganaro@...>

Sent: Wed, January 26, 2011 5:10:17 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Help : Candida Thrush

Mayleen, this is exactly what happened to me in 1983. The doctor that I finally

found, after so many that didn't have a clue, treated me with nystatin and a

low carb /low sugar diet, along with a low dose of armour thryoid for my low

body temperature... I was exposed to a school roof that had leaked and had water

damaged tiles above my head.There was mold behind the lowered ceiling, bu they

never repaired the leak, even though they cleaned the area with bleach.

My partner that shared the room with me didn't experience a thing. So now I

know that I have the genotype and she didn't. ( I have had my test) There was

asbestos in this building too and there were many deaths of young teachers in

their 40's and 50's. But the mold absolutely suppressed my immune system. I do

hope someone finds an article detailing this. BUT I am living proof of this

happening. ( I was in four school s at the time and this was the only one that

made me ill) I never was sick until starting work in this building. It changed

my life forever.......and a pregnancy too

Kathi

[Guest guest]

The sad thing about this..... after nearly dying from the pregnancy ( all my

organs were failing and the twins did not make it and only lived for less than

24 hours) I was moved out of the building in 1992. I wasn't 100%, but I managed

fairly well. I was Ok during the day, but was limited after a 45 minute drive to

and from work and had to curtail evening activities. I managed because I had

summers off..... which helped.

Then in the early 2000's I was put in a basment room in another building. " You

guessed it.... if only I would have known the room was getting me sick. I

progressively got sick and sicker until I couldn't even walk by May of 2007. I

only learned it was this room because the teacher that used the room after me

also got sick in that room. Then a doctor caused a heart attack by

overmedicating me and put me in heart failure. I got well only to succumb again.

Now I am disabled. That is why I feel so strongly about getting the word out to

doctors and have called the Academy of Family Physicians several times about

educating doctors.

Kathi

Re: [] Re: Help : Candida Thrush

 

Im sorry to hear that Kathi. Sounds like how thr government treated me when

I got sick from mold. I wish you all the best Janet

In a message dated 1/26/2011 5:55:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

kpmanganaro@... writes:

Mayleen, this is exactly what happened to me in 1983. The doctor that I

finally found, after so many that didn't have a clue, treated me with

nystatin and a low carb /low sugar diet, along with a low dose of armour thryoid

for my low body temperature... I was exposed to a school roof that had

leaked and had water damaged tiles above my head.There was mold behind the

lowered ceiling, bu they never repaired the leak, even though they cleaned the

area with bleach.

My partner that shared the room with me didn't experience a thing. So now

I know that I have the genotype and she didn't. ( I have had my test) There

was asbestos in this building too and there were many deaths of young

teachers in their 40's and 50's. But the mold absolutely suppressed my immune

system. I do hope someone finds an article detailing this. BUT I am living

proof of this happening. ( I was in four school s at the time and this was

the only one that made me ill) I never was sick until starting work in this

building. It changed my life forever.......and a pregnancy too

Kathi

[Guest guest]

Kathi,

I agree.............I had a Dr take away my oxygen I had had for 2 years because

of ignorance. Not that I did not need it. He was prejudice against all I had.

He even dismissed the tests he himself ordered. Little did he know I was so

fed up of Dr I had recorded our conversation. I am going to go to his office

and give him the shame of his life that he so deserves for nearly killing me.

My saturation was 82 by the time I got my oxygen back. I was weak and who

knows what damage that has done to me. This is what we get out here in the

ignorant world of Dr's. Is their a magic number that have to die or be injured

before they take action and educate.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: " kpmanganaro@... " <kpmanganaro@...>

Sent: Wed, January 26, 2011 10:55:52 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Help : Candida Thrush

The sad thing about this..... after nearly dying from the pregnancy ( all my

organs were failing and the twins did not make it and only lived for less than

24 hours) I was moved out of the building in 1992. I wasn't 100%, but I managed

fairly well. I was Ok during the day, but was limited after a 45 minute drive to

and from work and had to curtail evening activities. I managed because I had

summers off..... which helped.

[Guest guest]

Hi Dr Thrasher-

OMG sitting at my computer reading your posting shouting " yo hoo " out loud cause

this is EXACTLY what I have been trying to circle my mind around for such a long

time on this topic.

Ok so here's my question and hope you can bear with me here cause I know what I

want to ask but not sure how to ask it. Ok let me try it this way...

If someone has chronic systemic inflammation

And may have a genetic or epigenetic signal problem

Or maybe they don't have a signal problem

If they do have the signal problem, are there external supports that a person

can try in spite of the signal problem...a supplement, drug, other treatment?

Or say the person does not have a signal problem yet has an obvious inflammation

problem, are you aware of any suggested therapies that may address just the

inflammation? Or can that not be separated from treating a dysfunctional immune

system at the same time?

I go round and round with my thinking of cart before horse or horse before cart

when it comes to inflammation in relation to immune system. My treatment

protocols have changed throughout the years...sometimes on bolstering immune

system, sometimes reducing inflammation or sometimes doing both. Not much has

worked until 2 years ago with the discovery/removal of a section of my mouth and

jaw that was so infected and diseased that it was liquefied by the time they got

in there. After years of targeted transfer factors, beta glucans and other

immune type stuff, once this massive infective was removed there has been a huge

improvement in my immune system. Makes sense since it's not in total overdrive

fighting off this huge mouth infection

BUT

still not where I want to be health-wise. I don't know if I have a signal

problem and even so, not sure which direction to focus on. Not sure if I should

go in the direction of immune support, inflammation suppression or both.

Hard to state what I am trying to say so hope this makes sense and if not, feel

free to have a good laugh..lol....

Kathy

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--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:> That is the question. No one has figured this out yet. We have only

just begun to understand the mechanism (s). Drs. Shoemaker, Gray, McMahon and

Hope are able to accomplish some turn off, but not completely. It is turning off

the genetic signals in the macrophage that cause the inflammation and turning on

the signals that revert them back to normal function. If the turned on genetic

signals are epigenetic (not mutations) the chore will be even more difficult,

but may be accomplished. The key is as Carl, , me and the above doctors

say, " prevent and/or stay away from exposures that exacerbate your condition " .

> denise

>

[Guest guest]

This is another sad story, Mayleen. You as a patient were harmed, which could

have resulted in more serious consequences. Life is precious and one must not

take what happens to them lightly.  I suggest you at least report this to the

licensing bureau in your state. The bureau  won't do anything if one person

reports something..... even three or four, BUT when the numbers start to creep

up, they begin to take notice. It would be beneficial  to report what happened

,because it starts to show a pattern.  Once there is evidence of a

 consistent pattern.... there is more chance of the physician having a

judgement against them.

 The pendulum of physician  punishment has swung the other way in favor of the

physician. I believe at one time it was in favor of the patient .I don't think

either party should be favored, it should be balanced and fair.  We must see

that it come to the midline...with both parties being given dignified treatment

and justice.  We as patients must stand our ground and report abuses. It takes

only a  minimal amount of time to write a simple report and file it with your

licensing bureau. The caveat ..... the doctor may lose their license in one

state , but then can go on to the next state and request a license.  However,

I still feel that it is worthwhile to do due diligence and report abuse  when

something like this happens to you, Mayleen.  If we as patients  do

nothing..... then we can expect no change. I am not against physicians. I am

against ass 2 ( squared ) medicine, as Dr. Shoemaker would call it.

The Academy of Family Physicians told me they only give continuing education

subject credits based on physician requests. If your physician doesn't request

mold information, then they won't be as apt to formulate a course concerning

this subject. If you are able .... ask your PCP or family physician to become

acquainted with the subject of mold and ask for continuing education credits on

the subject.  

I must take a minute and give  credit where credit is due. I was over on the

me-cfscommunity website a year after my heart attack and was just in the

infancy of learning about CFS ( I never knew one other person with it..nor did

my  doctor) . Then I ran across and . Had I not heard what they had

to say  about mold AND also learned that the teacher who used my room after me

, which was in the basement, got sick too... I would have never put the entire

puzzle together. I now have a very detailed anecdotal history of what my life

was like before mold exposure and what it has been like after mold/chemical

exposure. Had they not taken the time to enlighten me on the subject, I would

not be on this group today. Trust me.. I had no clue..until given a few  more

puzzle pieces. Then I took those pieces and put together the pieces already in

my possession. Once I did, it  became as clear as day.... Oh my goodness did

it become clear.   At first I must admit learning about this was overwhelming,

but once I got on several groups.... ......I was astounded. BUT   I needed the

few pieces that were missing , which and supplied, to put the whole

picture together.  I nearly died twice and would never have had a clue or

inkling as to why... First I lost the twins .....then the heart attack. Now I am

wondering.... was this a part of my ruptured appendix that nearly killed me when

I was three??

The heart attack brought me to cardiologists, hematolo gists, PCP's CFS doctors

etc etc adnosium... Not one of these people told me about mold until I happened

to be on a CFS website. I could have died and no one would have ever known

 why.. I am the dreaded genotype....as indicated by testing last July.  Is

this not disgusting or what?????It was a grass roots effort by two people

that introduced me to mold toxicity.  Medicine and my doctors should be the

ones to educate me... that is what I am paying them for. But sadly that is not

the case and we must take this into our own hands..I have been into alternative

medicine since getting sick in 1983, but even at that ...no one warned me about

mold becoming toxic. This is truly scary, Mayleen.

Kathi

Re: [] Re: Help : Candida Thrush

Kathi,

I agree.............I had a Dr take away my oxygen I had had for 2 years because

of ignorance. Not that I did not need it. He was prejudice against all I had.

He even dismissed the tests he himself ordered. Little did he know I was so

fed up of Dr I had recorded our conversation. I am going to go to his office

and give him the shame of his life that he so deserves for nearly killing me.

My saturation was 82 by the time I got my oxygen back. I was weak and who

knows what damage that has done to me. This is what we get out here in the

ignorant world of Dr's. Is their a magic number that have to die or be injured

before they take action and educate.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

[Guest guest]

Dr. Vojdani has sent me his papers on Th-17 T cells and chronic inflammation.

He has suggestions on what one can do regarding this condition. I will forward

his two papers to you directly.

With respect to your mouth and jaw, were cultures done to determine the if

yeast, fungi or bacteria were involved?

Candida is a very interesting yeast. In its normal state (noninfectious) it

stays in the yeast form and does its typical budding. However, in the

infectious and invasive form it becomes filamentous and appears as hyphae. It

is very treatable in the yeast state but in the filamentous state the treatment

is not easy. Bacteria can also cause the condition you described.

[] Re: Help : Candida Thrush

Hi Dr Thrasher-

OMG sitting at my computer reading your posting shouting " yo hoo " out loud

cause this is EXACTLY what I have been trying to circle my mind around for such

a long time on this topic.

Ok so here's my question and hope you can bear with me here cause I know what

I want to ask but not sure how to ask it. Ok let me try it this way...

If someone has chronic systemic inflammation

And may have a genetic or epigenetic signal problem

Or maybe they don't have a signal problem

If they do have the signal problem, are there external supports that a person

can try in spite of the signal problem...a supplement, drug, other treatment?

Or say the person does not have a signal problem yet has an obvious

inflammation problem, are you aware of any suggested therapies that may address

just the inflammation? Or can that not be separated from treating a

dysfunctional immune system at the same time?

I go round and round with my thinking of cart before horse or horse before

cart when it comes to inflammation in relation to immune system. My treatment

protocols have changed throughout the years...sometimes on bolstering immune

system, sometimes reducing inflammation or sometimes doing both. Not much has

worked until 2 years ago with the discovery/removal of a section of my mouth and

jaw that was so infected and diseased that it was liquefied by the time they got

in there. After years of targeted transfer factors, beta glucans and other

immune type stuff, once this massive infective was removed there has been a huge

improvement in my immune system. Makes sense since it's not in total overdrive

fighting off this huge mouth infection

BUT

still not where I want to be health-wise. I don't know if I have a signal

problem and even so, not sure which direction to focus on. Not sure if I should

go in the direction of immune support, inflammation suppression or both.

Hard to state what I am trying to say so hope this makes sense and if not,

feel free to have a good laugh..lol....

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your support Kathy and I am truly sorry for what you too have

endured. I too have nearly died at the hands of ignorance (discrimination)

seems they go hand in hand for me , someone needs to start educating them. It

should be mandatory for Dr to take updated classes every year on new illnesses.

Do not pass, no license renewal. It is done in other industries why not

theirs.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: " kpmanganaro@... " <kpmanganaro@...>

Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 10:19:28 AM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Help : Candida Thrush

This is another sad story, Mayleen. You as a patient were harmed, which could

have resulted in more serious consequences. Life is precious and one must not

take what happens to them lightly. I suggest you at least report this to the

licensing bureau in your state. The bureau won't do anything if one person

reports something..... even three or four, BUT when the numbers start to creep

up, they begin to take notice. It would be beneficial to report what happened

,because it starts to show a pattern. Once there is evidence of a consistent

pattern.... there is more chance of the physician having a judgement against

them.

The pendulum of physician punishment has swung the other way in favor of the

physician. I believe at one time it was in favor of the patient .I don't think

either party should be favored, it should be balanced and fair. We must see

that it come to the midline...with both parties being given dignified treatment

and justice. We as patients must stand our ground and report abuses.

[Guest guest]

Did you say something about being on beta glucans ? Just dawned on me

and cannot find the post .

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: " kpmanganaro@... " <kpmanganaro@...>

Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 10:19:28 AM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Help : Candida Thrush

This is another sad story, Mayleen. You as a patient were harmed, which could

have resulted in more serious consequences. Life is precious and one must not

take what happens to them lightly. I suggest you at least report this to the

licensing bureau in your state. The bureau won't do anything if one person

reports something..... even three or four, BUT when the numbers start to creep

up, they begin to take notice. It would be beneficial to report what happened

,because it starts to show a pattern. Once there is evidence of a consistent

pattern.... there is more chance of the physician having a judgement against

them.

The pendulum of physician punishment has swung the other way in favor of the

physician. I believe at one time it was in favor of the patient .I don't think

either party should be favored, it should be balanced and fair. We must see

that it come to the midline...with both parties being given dignified treatment

and justice. We as patients must stand our ground and report abuses. It takes

only a minimal amount of time to write a simple report and file it with your

licensing bureau. The caveat ..... the doctor may lose their license in one

state , but then can go on to the next state and request a license. However, I

still feel that it is worthwhile to do due diligence and report abuse when

something like this happens to you, Mayleen. If we as patients do nothing.....

[Guest guest]

Dr. Thrasher,

May I also have a copy Dr. Vojdani's papers. (I didn't have any luck trying to

get them from PubMed as you mentioned earlier.)

I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thank you,

Debbie H

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

>

> Dr. Vojdani has sent me his papers on Th-17 T cells and chronic inflammation.

He has suggestions on what one can do regarding this condition. I will forward

his two papers to you directly.

>

> With respect to your mouth and jaw, were cultures done to determine the if

yeast, fungi or bacteria were involved?

>

> Candida is a very interesting yeast. In its normal state (noninfectious) it

stays in the yeast form and does its typical budding. However, in the

infectious and invasive form it becomes filamentous and appears as hyphae. It

is very treatable in the yeast state but in the filamentous state the treatment

is not easy. Bacteria can also cause the condition you described.

>

> [] Re: Help : Candida Thrush

>

>

>

> Hi Dr Thrasher-

>

> OMG sitting at my computer reading your posting shouting " yo hoo " out loud

cause this is EXACTLY what I have been trying to circle my mind around for such

a long time on this topic.

>

> Ok so here's my question and hope you can bear with me here cause I know

what I want to ask but not sure how to ask it. Ok let me try it this way...

>

> If someone has chronic systemic inflammation

> And may have a genetic or epigenetic signal problem

> Or maybe they don't have a signal problem

>

> If they do have the signal problem, are there external supports that a

person can try in spite of the signal problem...a supplement, drug, other

treatment?

>

> Or say the person does not have a signal problem yet has an obvious

inflammation problem, are you aware of any suggested therapies that may address

just the inflammation? Or can that not be separated from treating a

dysfunctional immune system at the same time?

>

> I go round and round with my thinking of cart before horse or horse before

cart when it comes to inflammation in relation to immune system. My treatment

protocols have changed throughout the years...sometimes on bolstering immune

system, sometimes reducing inflammation or sometimes doing both. Not much has

worked until 2 years ago with the discovery/removal of a section of my mouth and

jaw that was so infected and diseased that it was liquefied by the time they got

in there. After years of targeted transfer factors, beta glucans and other

immune type stuff, once this massive infective was removed there has been a huge

improvement in my immune system. Makes sense since it's not in total overdrive

fighting off this huge mouth infection

>

> BUT

>

> still not where I want to be health-wise. I don't know if I have a signal

problem and even so, not sure which direction to focus on. Not sure if I should

go in the direction of immune support, inflammation suppression or both.

>

> Hard to state what I am trying to say so hope this makes sense and if not,

feel free to have a good laugh..lol....

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

I would appreciate copies too. Thanks!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 28, 2011, at 12:44 AM, " debh172 " <deb172@...> wrote:

Dr. Thrasher,

May I also have a copy Dr. Vojdani's papers. (I didn't have any luck trying to

get them from PubMed as you mentioned earlier.)

I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thank you,

Debbie H

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

>

> Dr. Vojdani has sent me his papers on Th-17 T cells and chronic inflammation.

He has suggestions on what one can do regarding this condition. I will forward

his two papers to you directly.

>

> With respect to your mouth and jaw, were cultures done to determine the if

yeast, fungi or bacteria were involved?

>

> Candida is a very interesting yeast. In its normal state (noninfectious) it

stays in the yeast form and does its typical budding. However, in the infectious

and invasive form it becomes filamentous and appears as hyphae. It is very

treatable in the yeast state but in the filamentous state the treatment is not

easy. Bacteria can also cause the condition you described.

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie-

I am going nuts over these papers and thanks to Dr Thrasher for posting about

it. I was hot and heavy into THelper stuff years ago but that was before the

Th17 discovery. So this opens up a brand new targeted treatment option that I

have not tried, which he disccuses in Part III.

Immuno's wesbite is finally up and running again and has Parts I, II and III

posted on their wesbite.

http://www.immunoscienceslab.com/articles.html

Kathy

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Re: Help : Candida Thrush

Dr. Thrasher,May I also have a copy Dr. Vojdani's papers. (I didn't have any

luck trying toget them from PubMed as you mentioned earlier.)

I'd greatly appreciate it.Thank you,Debbie H

[Guest guest]

If possible I would like to see the papers. I suspect I am at the budding stage

but can't afford treatment. I went to the best doctors when I had insurance and

could afford. But husband had open heart surgery and now we owe 100,000. Wonder

why most doctors don't know about this as with mold. I had my tongue cultured

about 2001 or 2002 can't remember, it was candida albicans and I am allergic to

it also. One doctor talked about being borderline imunosuppressive at the time

but yeast won't hurt you he said. Even went to Dr. Johanning, but he resigned

right after appointment so no treatment.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

>

> Dr. Vojdani has sent me his papers on Th-17 T cells and chronic inflammation.

He has suggestions on what one can do regarding this

[Guest guest]

Many of the people I know that are ill from water damage/indoor mold or even

those with chemical problems have the yeast problem.

My home that had mold had yeast as one of the samples tested. Also all the

antiobiotics they give us. I had severe uticaria so they had to give me

prendizone for several months not sure if that contributes to yeast. But also

the inhalers can cause it if you don't rinse even though I rinsed good after

using them.

So I guess there are several things that contribute to the candida. Seems like

there would be an interest to do bloodwork on all people with this illness and

compare results-- but it would be too expensive.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

>

> Both Carl and I have gone over this issue several times. Candida is normally

found in our bodies. Various exposure can cause

[Guest guest]

The prednisone, steroids antibiotics all also contributes to getting sicker by

WDB too. Inhalers if they contain steroids as well.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: ldelp84227 <ldelp84227@...>

Sent: Fri, January 28, 2011 9:06:19 PM

Subject: [] Re: Help : Candida Thrush

Many of the people I know that are ill from water damage/indoor mold or even

those with chemical problems have the yeast problem.

My home that had mold had yeast as one of the samples tested. Also all the

antiobiotics they give us. I had severe uticaria so they had to give me

prendizone for several months not sure if that contributes to yeast. But also

the inhalers can cause it if you don't rinse even though I rinsed good after

using them.

So I guess there are several things that contribute to the candida. Seems like

there would be an interest to do bloodwork on all people with this illness and

compare results-- but it would be too expensive.

[Guest guest]

I have got to get out of here. I have had three consecutive treatments for yeast

and vaginosis and I am still in so much pain, still all symptoms. Back to the

doctor AGAIN for more useless treatments. I have gained back a little of the 30

pounds I lost, so no cancer, but now I have weird, constant breast pain. Ladies,

anyone willing to say if they've had anything like this? It's what I've read

described in nursing mothers with yeast infections in their chest, but I'm not a

nursing mother.

How do you know--what tests are there--when candidiasis is systemic? If it's not

one thing it's another--ear pain, eye weeping, nose running, itching. I'm sick

of it. Sick.

[Guest guest]

Many people , including my self , have had great luck using Three Lac probiotic.

It was engineered to scour the intestines and target candida, and it worked for

me.

>

> Many of the people I know that are ill from water damage/indoor mold or even

those with chemical problems have the yeast problem.

>

> My home that had mold had yeast as one of the samples tested. Also all the

antiobiotics they give us. I had severe uticaria so they had to give me

prendizone for several months not sure if that contributes to yeast. But also

the inhalers can cause it if you don't rinse even though I rinsed good after

using them.

>

> So I guess there are several things that contribute to the candida. Seems like

there would be an interest to do bloodwork on all people with this illness and

compare results-- but it would be too expensive.

>

> --- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@>

wrote:

> >

> > Both Carl and I have gone over this issue several times. Candida is

normally found in our bodies. Various exposure can cause

>

[Guest guest]

if your talking about sore niples and swelled breast, yes, I had those symptoms

..

>

> I have got to get out of here. I have had three consecutive treatments for

yeast and vaginosis and I am still in so much pain, still all symptoms. Back to

the doctor AGAIN for more useless treatments. I have gained back a little of the

30 pounds I lost, so no cancer, but now I have weird, constant breast pain.

Ladies, anyone willing to say if they've had anything like this? It's what I've

read described in nursing mothers with yeast infections in their chest, but I'm

not a nursing mother.

>

> How do you know--what tests are there--when candidiasis is systemic? If it's

not one thing it's another--ear pain, eye weeping, nose running, itching. I'm

sick of it. Sick.

>

[Guest guest]

My beast pain is clogged lymph, worse in the left breast as there is more lymph

there. Not drinking milk products of any kind helps as milk products clog lymph.

If I take ALA IV treatment, it goes away and I can drink Kefir again

>

> I have got to get out of here. I have had three consecutive treatments for

yeast and vaginosis and I am still in so much pain, still all symptoms. Back to

the doctor AGAIN for more useless treatments. I have gained back a little of the

30 pounds I lost, so no cancer, but now I have weird, constant breast pain.

Ladies, anyone willing to say if they've had anything like this? It's what I've

read described in nursing mothers with yeast infections in their chest, but I'm

not a nursing mother.

>

> How do you know--what tests are there--when candidiasis is systemic? If it's

not one thing it's another--ear pain, eye weeping, nose running, itching. I'm

sick of it. Sick.

>

[Guest guest]

also a very small amount of leakage sometimes and feverish.

I also get soreness off and on with the gland in my left breast, some glands in

other places too.

> >

but now I have weird, constant breast pain. Ladies, anyone willing to say if

they've had anything like this? It's what I've read described in nursing mothers

with yeast infections in their chest, but I'm not a nursing mother.

>