Guest guest Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 Emphatic yes. Thats why they say killing mold colonies is not good. Mold dies, dries up, breaks into tiny particles that are more dangerous than the mold spores were. (Although breathing in alot of mold spores can cause serious health problems too). Killing mold spores w disinfectant on kitchen surfaces, or spores floating through air like most air has is not a problem because there isn't the 'volume' as killing a mold colony. I think I have that right, Carl? > > Fragments of mold and other wet buidling material nasties... > > Do they become too small for a hepa filter to grab? > > Thanks... > > Robin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 My parents remediator " " used a ton of microban in their house. This has been more stressful for me than our situation. They used microban (I know.. a chmical and have thought some of their illness might be from that) on probably all surfaces of their house and in the HVAC (8 gallons.. I am not able to picture how this was done). Will the fragments and dead mold spores (are any left whole) show up on an ERMI or air sample, tape lift? are they able to identify? The fact that they are wiping would hopefully mean they have wiped away many of the fragments? We have dusted our house with Thieves oil (which folks have said may or ont even kill the mold) and hoping thats been ok. We are leaving but I want to be able to sell the house. How do you get rid of the fragments? I am getting DONT KILL THE MOLD so much that I am now terrified of the fragments... Robin > > > > Fragments of mold and other wet buidling material nasties... > > > > Do they become too small for a hepa filter to grab? > > > > Thanks... > > > > Robin > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 I think when they talk about not killing mold, they mean moldy things, like dry wall or studs or whatever is moldy, so rather than killing mold on drywall and leaving drywall and painting over it, you remove it. For airbourne fragments, good filters will take out larger particles and for smaller ones you probably have to let them land and wipe surfaces. I will let experts answer that. I think the goal is to prevent the fragments in the first place by not killing 'mold colonies' in interior space but removed them carefully under containment. That's my take on what I have heard said here. Sometimes it may help to hear it described in different ways. I don't think anyone means that killing 'any mold' scattered here and there in air with vinegar, chlorox, tea tree oil or whatever is dangerous. > > How do you get rid of the fragments? > > I am getting DONT KILL THE MOLD so much that I am now terrified of the fragments... > > Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Killing mold is dangerous to me, and it may be to other people on this site, I know that was how Diane was made sick, by trying to blleach mold. When the spores, or a colony (mold you can see) feels a threat, they release toxin and MVOC' s. These can very much effect your health, even in small amounts, and in large amounts make you very sick > > > > How do you get rid of the fragments? > > > > I am getting DONT KILL THE MOLD so much that I am now terrified of the fragments... > > > > Robin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 , I was referring to say wiping kitchen counters down with an disinfectant, like even tea tree oil for example, or worrying about killing mold spores that are brought in with fresh air by an open window as someone voiced concern over a couple weeks ago, as if one should be afraid to kill a single mold spore anywhere. But a question here, what do you do about some mold on bathroom tile for example, or grout around tile? I don't remove the tile. I clean the tile and grout of mold. I don't care if they live through it or not. > > > > I think when they talk about not killing mold, they mean moldy things, like dry wall or studs or whatever is moldy, so rather than killing mold on drywall and leaving drywall and painting over it, you remove it. For airbourne fragments, good filters will take out larger particles and for smaller ones you probably have to let them land and wipe surfaces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 A Teaspoon! Are they insane! You need almost pure bleach or hydrogen peroxide to do any damage to mold. What you did was just make the mold wet again and activating it so it smelled. They should be ashamed of themselves! > > I think you make a good point. Five years ago I found mold around all 15 windows in the mobile home I was living in for 8 yrs. I called the state Dept of Health, was told to fill a 1-gallon jug with water and add 1 teaspoon bleach. That began my 2-year nightmare-- the moving around and going though a large chunck of my retirement savings. >  > I put some water-bleach misture into a spray bottle and sprayed it lightly on the mold around all the windows as the man had said. Before I could go around wiping the mold, the fumes from it caused the usual symptoms-- headache, burned my eyes, mouth, throat, irritated my stomach & lungs, coughing. I could not live there anymore. Even 4 mos later when I went in, I got the same symptoms so I gave up on the house. During that 4-month period a few friends and other people were in there for an hour or 2 at a time-- most were aware of nothing, the others said they smelled something but did not get symptoms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Inhaling the bleach could have made you ill, or maybe both, together. > > I think you make a good point. Five years ago I found mold around all 15 windows in the mobile home I was living in for 8 yrs. I called the state Dept of Health, was told to fill a 1-gallon jug with water and add 1 teaspoon bleach. That began my 2-year nightmare-- the moving around and going though a large chunck of my retirement savings. >  > I put some water-bleach misture into a spray bottle and sprayed it lightly on the mold around all the windows as the man had said. Before I could go around wiping the mold, the fumes from it caused the usual symptoms-- headache, burned my eyes, mouth, throat, irritated my stomach & lungs, coughing. I could not live there anymore. Even 4 mos later when I went in, I got the same symptoms so I gave up on the house. During that 4-month period a few friends and other people were in there for an hour or 2 at a time-- most were aware of nothing, the others said they smelled something but did not get symptoms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 A contractor from a local university told me to clean up mold with 5 parts of water to one part bleach...that would be like 5 cups of water to one cup of bleach. he said pure Clorox would make it worse. Pure Clorox will make the mold worse. In fact, I tried it in the basement of my mold house because I did not believe it when someone told me not to use pure bleach. The surface which did not have existing mold turned into green mold. Back in my mold days, I experimented a lot! > > A Teaspoon! Are they insane! You need almost pure bleach or hydrogen peroxide to do any damage to mold. What you did was just make the mold wet again and activating it so it smelled. They should be ashamed of themselves! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Barb, I really believe we make ourselves sicker by using so many products in and effort to get rid of the mold. I know I did for a fact. > > Inhaling the bleach could have made you ill, or maybe both, together. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 True- I am amazingly not sensitive to bleaches so I can use them but I have also used vodka (crazy but it works) and vinegar. Be careful with the bleach. > > > > I think you make a good point. Five years ago I found mold around all 15 windows in the mobile home I was living in for 8 yrs. I called the state Dept of Health, was told to fill a 1-gallon jug with water and add 1 teaspoon bleach. That began my 2-year nightmare-- the moving around and going though a large chunck of my retirement savings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Hi Robin, The " Don't Kill the Mold Message " is a valid concern. However, simply removing the moisture can kill the mold. Yes, the mold is more buoyant and more easily aerosolized when dead. There is also a concern that molds make more spores as they start to die. There are more important considerations than the debate over killing. Appropriate engineering controls and containment barriers should be employed prior to disturbing moldy surfaces. Antimicrobial agents are generally not necessary unless the water is Category 2 or 3 (surface or ground water, sewage, water from ponds, lakes, etc., water that travels over dirty surface.) Containment areas must always be HEPA-vacuumed and damp-wiped. If moldy areas could not or were not isolated, cross-contamination should be assumed, and all surfaces must be HEPA-vacuumed and damp-wiped. Contents must be addressed on a case by case basis, with consideration given to degree of contamination, underlying health of individuals, and longevity of contamination. I have a post regarding contends on my blog site, cleanlinest.wordpress.com Connie Morbach, M.S., CHMM, CIE Sanit-Air, Inc. Troy, MI > > My parents remediator " " used a ton of microban in their house. This has been more stressful for me than our situation. They used microban (I know.. a chmical and have thought some of their illness might be from that) on probably all surfaces of their house and in the HVAC (8 gallons.. I am not able to picture how this was done). > > Will the fragments and dead mold spores (are any left whole) show up on an ERMI or air sample, tape lift? are they able to identify? > > The fact that they are wiping would hopefully mean they have wiped away many of the fragments? > > > We have dusted our house with Thieves oil (which folks have said may or ont even kill the mold) and hoping thats been ok. We are leaving but I want to be able to sell the house. > > > How do you get rid of the fragments? > > I am getting DONT KILL THE MOLD so much that I am now terrified of the fragments... > > Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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