Re: Closed up building--what should I check for?

January 26, 2011

Hi An ,

Many who have been made ill by mold cannot tolerate a remediated home either.

The stucco should not go down to the soil because it would then act a wick for

water.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: Advocate_Now <advocate_now@...>

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Sent: Wed, January 26, 2011 7:42:18 PM

Subject: [] Closed up building--what should I check for?

Experts: I'm looking at a beautifully restored house. It has sat on the market

since August, partly because it's a bad market and partly because it is too

small for a family.

January 26, 2011

Thanks, Mayleen. I thought the stucco going down the soil might be a wick. It's

good for me to be clear-eyed about this. I have a tendency to fall in love with

charm, the kind of charm that comes with old buildings--old buildings that

usually have problems! Sigh.

From: dragonflymcs <dragonflymcs@...>

Subject: Re: [] Closed up building--what should I check for?

Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 5:02 AM

Hi An ,

Many who have been made ill by mold cannot tolerate a remediated home either.

The stucco should not go down to the soil because it would then act a wick for

water.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

January 27, 2011

moisture damage and visible stains? Nuts to buy it. My NPO rented an old

building, gutting it, it had mold on the rafters, but they fixed the leaks and

put in new insulation and sheetrock. I lasted an hr in there before I nearly

croaked, ruined my clothes also, with for me a classic mold exposure/ reaction

>

> Experts: I'm looking at a beautifully restored house. It has sat on the market

since August, partly because it's a bad market and partly because it is too

small for a family.

>

January 27, 2011

My pleasure . anything before 1978 will have most probably a lead problem

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: Advocate Now <advocate_now@...>

Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 2:03:56 AM

Subject: Re: [] Closed up building--what should I check for?

Thanks, Mayleen. I thought the stucco going down the soil might be a wick. It's

good for me to be clear-eyed about this. I have a tendency to fall in love with

charm, the kind of charm that comes with old buildings--old buildings that

usually have problems! Sigh.

January 27, 2011

I have to agree, we are constantly bombarded about terms to use.

the mold task force uses the term mold, but we use it and we are jumped on.

we all are aware of the complexity of WDB's.

none of our damages are caused by one specific thing but a combination of

everthing involved.

the damage these exposures cause and what damages your left with and trying to

deal with and find answers for cures, and prevent more damages,house wise,body

wise and so on, and what your tested for and not tested for , all play a role.

people are not going to post about bacterias if they haven't had them found in

their homes or found in their body.

that in no way means we are ignorant to the role they may play.

and there are situations where bacteria may not be a big factor.

we are ill, we dont always function the best, theres lots of times it takes alot

of effort to just reply to a post, let alone force our brains and spend hours

trying to make sure we spell correctly or use all the proper terms. heck, I can

read stuff and understand it

very well but not be able to convay to another what it says.

I wouyld hope that the support of the group is understanding of the difficults

we might suffer.

maybe I somehow got into a different group and didn't know it, this use to be a

group for support, and it should be support regardless of how well you function,

how proper the terms are that you use,

and it is very aggervateing because you could use about ten different terms to

cover many illnesses that might be involved and

every doctor wants his terms used.

maybe some one can just tell me if this group has turned into something other

than a support group.

I've been around along time, I've done alot of research that has ended up on a

few peoples web sites, one that I regret basiclly because she was emailing me

and asking for anything else I had and than I was one of the first to be asked

to join a certain org. but than became listed as a supporter and thats about all

I'm going to say on that, she knows who she is. orther that have put in alot of

years and effort that I know were treated much the same.

but also, I dont care to be told I need to go read something when I'm the one

that found,studied, and knew enough about what I was reading to post it, like

the danger zone and macrophages on the dark side.

I really dont care that someone than puts these things on their web sites, it's

all about getting knowledge out there to the public, but remember where it came

from and so a little respect.

on the note of respect, I denfinitly fell respect,understanding and support go

hand and hand.

>

> My " etc. " was meant to cover molds plus. I haven't forgotten any of the

lessons learned here, but it's annoying to continually retype everything

associated with WDBs.

>

> The walls were removed, the whole thing gutted. So no visible stains on them.

There is only the staining here and there on the rafters that I had in my old

house since most every house I've ever seen has leaked at one point. So I'm not

sure if that's mold. In fact, I misspoke in my first email. I assumed there were

leaks and mold damage, but looking back on the photos the design firm posted on

their web site, I don't see any real damage to the old roof, and the windows

were carefully boarded up by the neighborhood. It just looked bad because vines

were growing all over the stucco and some of the facia had rotted from not being

painted (now replaced). And because of those stains on the rafters.

>

> Still sound like a " stay away " situation? I guess I'm more concerned with it

being shut up for some months.

>

January 27, 2011

you actually think that I need to understand that? I've been there done that.

I do understand that, I also know that alot of them ,in the condition they are

in are going to come back with the word " DUH? "

after you tell them to go read your article on the complexities of WDB's, more

than meets the eye.

you have to realize that these people have been through a life altering ordeal,

they fell bad, they cant think to great,

some are depressed, ect.

it's going to take them time, while they need to know what tests they need if

they can get to or find a doctor that does them, they dont need to be harped at

for how they try to discribe what they percieve

as their exposure, give them a chance to learn.

going through this nightmare is very overwelming all by it's self.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

>

> What you need to realize we always have newcomers. They need to be educated

as the composition of WDB.

January 27, 2011

what you need to realize is that those of us who have been there understand what

it's like for a newcomer, thats why we take a deep breath and once again try to

explain things in a way we hope they can understand and we do it over and over

again. yes, we sometimes lose our patients too. we often bring up that we need

to put together something we can post to newcomers to help us from haveing to

answer the same questions again and again, but that itself would probably get to

complacated. and we'd have to write a book to cover everything.

you just cant exspect so much out of people but at the same time you cant treat

them like they are retarded either.

>

> you actually think that I need to understand that? I've been there done that.

> I do understand that, I also know that alot of them ,in the condition they are

in are going to come back with the word " DUH? "

> after you tell them to go read your article on the complexities of WDB's, more

than meets the eye.

> you have to realize that these people have been through a life altering

ordeal, they fell bad, they cant think to great,

> some are depressed, ect.

> it's going to take them time, while they need to know what tests they need if

they can get to or find a doctor that does them, they dont need to be harped at

for how they try to discribe what they percieve

> as their exposure, give them a chance to learn.

> going through this nightmare is very overwelming all by it's self.

>

> --- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@>

wrote:

> >

> > What you need to realize we always have newcomers. They need to be educated

as the composition of WDB.

>

January 27, 2011

hi just wantedÂ to add i got a property here kinda same thing.it was cheap 4

grand for house and the lot.the roof leaked at chimney so we fixed that.house is

plaster and wood trim/floors.overall in good shape but been closed up for some

years.im going to gut and redo one bedroom keeping it closed off from the rest

of the house.no air exchange.if new plaster and redone wood trim and floors is

ok and i can live in that room then ill redo the rest of the house.if not it all

has to come down and a new house built.that way ill know and not spend a bunch

of money on a lost cause here.hope your situation works out thereÂ

From: dragonflymcs <dragonflymcs@...>

Subject: Re: [] Closed up building--what should I check for?

Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 3:32 PM

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My pleasure . anything before 1978 will have most probably a lead problem

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: Advocate Now <advocate_now@...>

Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 2:03:56 AM

Subject: Re: [] Closed up building--what should I check for?

Thanks, Mayleen. I thought the stucco going down the soil might be a wick. It's

good for me to be clear-eyed about this. I have a tendency to fall in love with

charm, the kind of charm that comes with old buildings--old buildings that

usually have problems! Sigh.

January 28, 2011

Brett

Will you be able to tolerate all the new construction from the remodel? I know

I wouldn't be able to. Will you be using non-toxic building and construction

materials?

ap

---From: brett michael

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hi just wanted to add i got a property here kinda same thing.it was cheap 4

grand for house and the lot.the roof leaked at chimney so we fixed that.house is

plaster and wood trim/floors.overall in good shape but been closed up for some

years.im going to gut and redo one bedroom keeping it closed off from the rest

of the house.no air exchange.if new plaster and redone wood trim and floors is

ok and i can live in that room then ill redo the rest of the house.if not it all

has to come down and a new house built.that way ill know and not spend a bunch

of money on a lost cause here.hope your situation works out there

January 28, 2011

anita i built a cabin on the property and i have it done just finishing the

floor.its a year old construction.yes im having problems with the new material.

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im also gonna gut and redon one room in the old house and put in new plaster and

sand refinish the floors and trim.

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i will have to wait awhile for things to calm down and outgas so im looking for

a rental in the meantime.the place is paid for and with my ssdi i cant afford to

buy anything else as far as houses go.i have an application in through the usda

office here but havent heard back yet on a house.

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so i am kinda stuck just not sure how long it will take for things to calm down

here..were thinking one too two more years then things should be livable for me

one way or the other here.

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and im always looking for rental but ive looked for years with no luck..brett

From: anita paulsen <apami@...>

Subject: Re: [] Closed up building--what should I check for?

Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 6:08 PM

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Brett

Will you be able to tolerate all the new construction from the remodel? I know I

wouldn't be able to. Will you be using non-toxic building and construction