RE: Kidney Problems/ to Jack Trasher

[Guest guest]

Jack,

 

I had a test done at Dr. Hooper and have very high levels of trichothecenes,

aflatoxins and ochratoxin. And I have kidney disease.

 

What can we do to change the situation and get the toxins flushed?

Are there any medical doctors who are able to treat? 

Can cholestyramine be helpful?

From: Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. <toxicologist1@...>

Subject: RE: [] Kidney Problems

Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 5:38 PM

Robin: I have been working with Drs. Gray and Hooper on this issue. Penicillium

species in WDB produce ochratoxn. It is a urinary tract and kidney toxin. We

have 8 cases of kidney (renal cell) cancer and another case of stage IV kidney

failture. We haeve detected ochratoxin A in biopsy spedimens from all 9 cases.

In addtion, we have identified Aspergillus DNA in the bioopsiies. I suggeste

that you have early morning urine specimens testes for trichothecenes, alatoxins

and ochratoxin. All three are kidney toxins.

Jack Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist, Immunotoxicologist, Fetal toxicologist

Cell - 575-937-1150 Cell-Thrasher

Crawley, M.ED., LADC

Trauma Specialist

Cell -775-309-3994

www.drthrasher.org

[Guest guest]

At this stage we are not certain what will work. We did not see patients until

they eiher developed kidney cancer or kidney failture. However, cholestyraimine

will help. The only doctor I know who would be of benefit is R. Gray,

M.D., Benson Arizona. I am away from the office until tomorrow afternoon.

Email me directely and I will give you the contact information of Dr. Gray. He

has protocosl that he uses, depending upon the health conditions of each

patient.

Jack Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist, Immunotoxicologist, Fetal toxicologist

Cell - 575-937-1150 Cell-Thrasher

Crawley, M.ED., LADC

Trauma Specialist

Cell -775-309-3994

www.drthrasher.org

From: k23la@...

Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:32:03 -0700

Subject: RE: [] Kidney Problems/ to Jack Trasher

Jack,

I had a test done at Dr. Hooper and have very high levels of trichothecenes,

aflatoxins and ochratoxin. And I have kidney disease.

What can we do to change the situation and get the toxins flushed?

Are there any medical doctors who are able to treat?

Can cholestyramine be helpful?

From: Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. <toxicologist1@...>

Subject: RE: [] Kidney Problems

Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 5:38 PM

Robin: I have been working with Drs. Gray and Hooper on this issue. Penicillium

species in WDB produce ochratoxn. It is a urinary tract and kidney toxin. We

have 8 cases of kidney (renal cell) cancer and another case of stage IV kidney

failture. We haeve detected ochratoxin A in biopsy spedimens from all 9 cases.

In addtion, we have identified Aspergillus DNA in the bioopsiies. I suggeste

that you have early morning urine specimens testes for trichothecenes, alatoxins

and ochratoxin. All three are kidney toxins.

Jack Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist, Immunotoxicologist, Fetal toxicologist

Cell - 575-937-1150 Cell-Thrasher

Crawley, M.ED., LADC

Trauma Specialist

Cell -775-309-3994

www.drthrasher.org

[Guest guest]

My real time lab urine test was neg but I am hearing that can be the case when

toxins are sequestered (?). I can kick myself for not trusting my instincts and

using first AM urine.. and real time for not specifying esp when I asked. That's

not a cheap test, and I feel it was wasted on me given I did afternoon urine.

I also am wondering the same as questions below.

Thank you,

Robin

>

>

> From: Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. <toxicologist1@...>

> Subject: RE: [] Kidney Problems

>

> Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 5:38 PM

>

>

> Robin: I have been working with Drs. Gray and Hooper on this issue.

[Guest guest]

Robin: the test can be done again. According to Dr. Gray the mycotoxins

continue to be spilled in the urine for sometime., even after sequestering. I

spoke with Dr. Hooper of RealTime. They are moving the lab to a bigger facility

and are reducing the prices considerably. This will occur in the middle of

September. Therefore, watch the RealTime Lab web site for the announcement.

Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

www.drthrasher.org

toxicologist1@...

Off: 916-745-4703

Cell: 575-937-1150

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Trauma Specialist

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Dr Thrasher. This is relieving good news.

I think I used the word sequestered wrong. Im wondering if a neg urine can show

up esp with a random sample taken in afternoon (in stead of first AM urine or a

24 hour sample) when one has the " dreaded " gene and is not eliminating toxins.

Would they still show up in urine.

I talked with someone with a lot of experience with mold illness who told me she

also tested negative but had a lot fo stachy exposure.. Im wondering how

reliable a spot urine test is esp for flks who are not eliminating toxins.

Robin

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

>

> Robin: the test can be done again. According to Dr. Gray the mycotoxins

continue to be spilled in the urine for sometime., even after sequestering. I

spoke with Dr. Hooper of RealTime. They are moving the lab to a bigger facility

and are reducing the prices considerably. This will occur in the middle of

September. Therefore, watch the RealTime Lab web site for the announcement.

>

> Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D.

> Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

> www.drthrasher.org

> toxicologist1@...

> Off: 916-745-4703

> Cell: 575-937-1150

>

>

> L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC

> Trauma Specialist

> sandracrawley@...

> 916-745-4703 - Off

> 775-309-3994 - Cell

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[Guest guest]

Every individual I have sent to RealTime had positive results. I always use

early morning urine. It must be in the lab no later than 24 hours after

collection, by overnight FEDEX. I would have to know more about the collection

of the urine and its shipping. Also, we must remember there are two strains of

Stachybotys. One produces macrocyclic trichothecens and the other spirocyclic

drimanes.

[] Re: Kidney Problems/ to Jack Trasher

Thanks Dr Thrasher. This is relieving good news.

I think I used the word sequestered wrong. Im wondering if a neg urine can

show up esp with a random sample taken in afternoon (in stead of first AM urine

or a 24 hour sample) when one has the " dreaded " gene and is not eliminating

toxins. Would they still show up in urine.

I talked with someone with a lot of experience with mold illness who told me

she also tested negative but had a lot fo stachy exposure.. Im wondering how

reliable a spot urine test is esp for flks who are not eliminating toxins.

Robin

[Guest guest]

My Stachy IGG came back 7.2 does that mean anything ??

GRAM STAIN:00436145FINAL

SPUTUM

ADEQUATE

MODERATE WHITE BLOOD CELLS SEEN

FEW EPITHELIAL CELLSMODERATE GRAM NEGATIVE BACILLI

MODERATE GRAM POSITIVE COCCI

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 9:14:48 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Kidney Problems/ to Jack Trasher

 

Every individual I have sent to RealTime had positive results. I always use

early morning urine. It must be in the lab no later than 24 hours after

collection, by overnight FEDEX. I would have to know more about the collection

of the urine and its shipping. Also, we must remember there are two strains of

Stachybotys. One produces macrocyclic trichothecens and the other spirocyclic

drimanes.

[Guest guest]

I believe mine was afternoon collection, frozen and shipped the next day with

next day AM delivery. So that would be over 24 hours. What really frustrates me

is that I asked how to do this properly and sent what.. 700$ on this test and it

may be wrong because the directions I was given were not proper.

How do you tell the stachy strains and why no test for this other toxin? Im not

sure an ERMI will tell.

I also did speak to someone who def had stachy exposure and sickness who tested

neg. Maybe her sample was also not first AM and within 24 hours. They really

need to get the directions correct and I would like a re test. Very frustrating.

700$ is a huge deal.

Robin

[Guest guest]

It should have been fresh, not frozen. Again, you must realize that there are

two strains of Stachybotrys. One does not produce macrocyclic trichothecenes.

[] Re: Kidney Problems/ to Jack Trasher

I believe mine was afternoon collection, frozen and shipped the next day with

next day AM delivery. So that would be over 24 hours. What really frustrates me

is that I asked how to do this properly and sent what.. 700$ on this test and it

may be wrong because the directions I was given were not proper.

How do you tell the stachy strains and why no test for this other toxin? Im

not sure an ERMI will tell.

I also did speak to someone who def had stachy exposure and sickness who

tested neg. Maybe her sample was also not first AM and within 24 hours. They

really need to get the directions correct and I would like a re test. Very

frustrating. 700$ is a huge deal.

Robin

[Guest guest]

IgG is an antibody test. Dr. Hooper reports ppb of mycotoxins.

Re: [] Re: Kidney Problems/ to Jack Trasher

My Stachy IGG came back 7.2 does that mean anything ??

GRAM STAIN:00436145FINAL

SPUTUM

ADEQUATE

MODERATE WHITE BLOOD CELLS SEEN

FEW EPITHELIAL CELLSMODERATE GRAM NEGATIVE BACILLI

MODERATE GRAM POSITIVE COCCI

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

[Guest guest]

Thank you.  What is ppb ??

 

 Does that level IGG mean anything at all. I knwo you cannot diagnose and not

looking for such.  Your Opinion is very valued.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 11:35:21 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Kidney Problems/ to Jack Trasher

 

IgG is an antibody test. Dr. Hooper reports ppb of mycotoxins.

Re: [] Re: Kidney Problems/ to Jack Trasher

My Stachy IGG came back 7.2 does that mean anything ??

GRAM STAIN:00436145FINAL

SPUTUM

ADEQUATE

MODERATE WHITE BLOOD CELLS SEEN

FEW EPITHELIAL CELLSMODERATE GRAM NEGATIVE BACILLI

MODERATE GRAM POSITIVE COCCI

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

[Guest guest]

I asked if I should freeze and I was told that was a good idea.:-(

Can you tell me more about the other strain.. the name and why this toxin is not

tested for?

Thanks, Dr. Thrasher...

Robin

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

>

> It should have been fresh, not frozen. Again, you must realize that there are

two strains of Stachybotrys. One does not produce macrocyclic trichothecenes.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Parts per billion.  Do you mean IgE?? Then I would ask what that is because I

dont know...

From: dragonflymcs <dragonflymcs@...>

Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 10:50:10 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Kidney Problems/ to Jack Trasher

 

Thank you.  What is ppb ??

 

 Does that level IGG mean anything at all. I knwo you cannot diagnose and not

looking for such.  Your Opinion is very valued.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

[Guest guest]

ppb = parts per billion

IgG antibodies only means at sometime in the past you have been exposed to an

antigen that caused the immune response.

Re: [] Re: Kidney Problems/ to Jack Trasher

Thank you. What is ppb ??

Does that level IGG mean anything at all. I knwo you cannot diagnose and not

looking for such. Your Opinion is very valued.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

[Guest guest]

That is blood work.  IGG IGI, IGM, IGA, IGD

 

Checking for antobiodies : 

Immunoglobulins

An immunoglobulins test is done to measure the level of immunoglobulins, also

known as antibodies, in your blood.

Antibodies are substances made by the body's immune system in response to

bacteria, viruses, fungus, animal dander, or cancer cells. Antibodies attach to

the foreign substances so the immune system can destroy them. See a picture of

the immune system .

Antibodies are specific to each type of foreign substance. For example,

antibodies made in response to a tuberculosis infection attach only to

tuberculosis bacteria. Antibodies also work in allergic reactions. Occasionally,

antibodies may be made against your own tissues. This is called an autoimmune

disease.

If your immune system makes low levels of antibodies, you may have a higher

chance of developing repeated infections. You can be born with an immune system

that makes low levels of antibodies, or your system may make low levels of

antibodies in response to certain diseases, such as cancer.

The five major types of antibodies are:

 

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/immunoglobulins

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: <unitedstatesvet@...>

Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 10:04:53 AM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Kidney Problems/ to Jack Trasher

 

Parts per billion.  Do you mean IgE?? Then I would ask what that is because I

dont know...

[Guest guest]

Cross post from the aspergillus board.

Ig stands for

immunoglobulin and the next letter " E " stands for what they are testing

your blood for. The test that shows what your IgE is shows antibodies

to things you are allergic to. They can even do an IgE specific test

for aspergillus. There are other " Ig " tests as follows:

IgM - a response triggered by the first encounter with an antigen -

primary antibody response.

IgG - this is produced when a particular antigen is encountered again.

This response is called the secondary antibody response.

IgA - these antibodies help defend against the invasion of

microorganisms through body surfaces line with mucous membrane,

including those of the nose, eyes, lungs, and digestive tract.

IgE - these antibodies trigger immediate allergic reactions. This is

the only class of antibody that often seems to do more harm than good.

However it may help defend against certain parasitic infections that

are common in some developing countries.

IgD - small amounts of these antibodies are present in the bloodstream,

but the function of IgD is not well understood

>

> That is blood work.  IGG IGI, IGM, IGA, IGD

>  

> Checking for antobiodies : 

> Immunoglobulins

> An immunoglobulins test is done to measure the level of immunoglobulins, also

> known as antibodies, in your blood.

> Antibodies are substances made by the body's immune system in response to

> bacteria, viruses, fungus, animal dander, or cancer cells. Antibodies attach

to

> the foreign substances so the immune system can destroy them. See a picture of

> the immune system .

> Antibodies are specific to each type of foreign substance. For example,

> antibodies made in response to a tuberculosis infection attach only to

> tuberculosis bacteria. Antibodies also work in allergic reactions.

Occasionally,

> antibodies may be made against your own tissues. This is called an autoimmune

> disease.

>

> If your immune system makes low levels of antibodies, you may have a higher

> chance of developing repeated infections. You can be born with an immune

system

> that makes low levels of antibodies, or your system may make low levels of

> antibodies in response to certain diseases, such as cancer.

> The five major types of antibodies are:

>  

> http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/immunoglobulins

>

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: <unitedstatesvet@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 10:04:53 AM

> Subject: Re: [] Re: Kidney Problems/ to Jack Trasher

>

>  

> Parts per billion.  Do you mean IgE?? Then I would ask what that is because I

> dont know...

>

[Guest guest]

The Immunoglobulins produce my the immune system are four types: IgA, IgE, IgM

and IgG. These interact with the foreign antigen to neutralize its adverse

effects on the human body.

ppb is a weight term. In others so many nanograms. It is not produced by the

immune system.

Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

www.drthrasher.org

toxicologist1@...

Off: 916-745-4703

Cell: 575-937-1150

L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC

Trauma Specialist

sandracrawley@...

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[Guest guest]

while we are on the subject, I read that IgE can be allergy or non-allergy. I've

been comeing to this same conclusion myself.

I thinking that maybe with chronic exposure and chronic histamine release that

also is not just related to allergies, but maybe high dose exposure to many

allergenic mold weither you are atopic or not may infact cause a IgE responce.

maybe somehow by the innate immune system calling on the aquired immune system,

in a feed back sort of way, when the dose is to much for the innate immune

system to take care of. ? all of this is about inflammation too, and I think my

WDB exposure has caused histamine intolerance because I had high dose exposure

and no doubt chronic histamine release.

there is a reason that I tested highly allergic to many mold mixes after my

exposure, there is a reason I had specific IgE and IgG to some molds. levels

1-1V, theres a reason why now,with advoidance , I have none of these. these

couldn't have been true allergies, I can't even say that I ever suffered what I

consider a allery responce to anything.

really the whole concept involved with allergies and allergy testing is just

flawed. a blur between allergies,sensitivity,hypersensitivy and intolerance.

I just dont believe that IgE is solely related only to allergies.

just like I think allergy testing is basicly showing a adnormal responce to

something and it doesn't mean it's only allergic reaction.

look at all the controversy surrounding just about any kind of allergy testing.

>

> Cross post from the aspergillus board.

>

>

>

> Ig stands for

> immunoglobulin and the next letter " E " stands for what they are testing

> your blood for. The test that shows what your IgE is shows antibodies

> to things you are allergic to. They can even do an IgE specific test

> for aspergillus. There are other " Ig " tests as follows:

> IgM - a response triggered by the first encounter with an antigen -

> primary antibody response.

> IgG - this is produced when a particular antigen is encountered again.

> This response is called the secondary antibody response.

> IgA - these antibodies help defend against the invasion of

> microorganisms through body surfaces line with mucous membrane,

> including those of the nose, eyes, lungs, and digestive tract.

> IgE - these antibodies trigger immediate allergic reactions. This is

> the only class of antibody that often seems to do more harm than good.

> However it may help defend against certain parasitic infections that

> are common in some developing countries.

> IgD - small amounts of these antibodies are present in the bloodstream,

> but the function of IgD is not well understood

[Guest guest]

7.2 to stachy is what ??   High , low ??

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: KC <tigerpaw2c@...>

Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 9:04:58 PM

Subject: [] Re: Kidney Problems/ to Jack Trasher

 

Cross post from the aspergillus board.

Ig stands for

immunoglobulin and the next letter " E " stands for what they are testing

your blood for. The test that shows what your IgE is shows antibodies

to things you are allergic to. They can even do an IgE specific test

for aspergillus. There are other " Ig " tests as follows:

IgM - a response triggered by the first encounter with an antigen -

primary antibody response.

IgG - this is produced when a particular antigen is encountered again.

This response is called the secondary antibody response.

IgA - these antibodies help defend against the invasion of

microorganisms through body surfaces line with mucous membrane,

including those of the nose, eyes, lungs, and digestive tract.

IgE - these antibodies trigger immediate allergic reactions. This is

the only class of antibody that often seems to do more harm than good.

However it may help defend against certain parasitic infections that

are common in some developing countries.

IgD - small amounts of these antibodies are present in the bloodstream,

but the function of IgD is not well understood

[Guest guest]

IGG       7.2         mcg/ml           to stachy is high

or low ?? 

 

IGM      461          mcg/dl          I know this was

high

What does this mean ??

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 9:04:21 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Kidney Problems/ to Jack Trasher

 

The Immunoglobulins produce my the immune system are four types: IgA, IgE, IgM

and IgG. These interact with the foreign antigen to neutralize its adverse

effects on the human body.

ppb is a weight term. In others so many nanograms. It is not produced by the

immune system.

Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

www.drthrasher.org

toxicologist1@...

Off: 916-745-4703

Cell: 575-937-1150

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Trauma Specialist

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[Guest guest]

Please scan the tests results and send me the tests results so I can actually

determine what tests were done.

Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D.

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www.drthrasher.org

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Thank you, OK, I will send it privately. 

Mayleen

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From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 1:02:04 AM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Kidney Problems/ to Jack Trasher

 

Please scan the tests results and send me the tests results so I can actually

determine what tests were done.

Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

www.drthrasher.org

toxicologist1@...

Off: 916-745-4703

Cell: 575-937-1150

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