Re: OT: Beta - Glucan

[Guest guest]

Well, chemotherapy drugs are toxic and they are used to get rid of cancer, but

*I would never take them. There are different viewpoints by individuals and by

institutions. I guess, in this area, you just pick your poison, so to speak.

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> We should never stimulate pro inflammatory cytokines? I can see avoiding this

if all beta glucans are a problem for us or if questionable but possibly there

is a role for beta glucans for some people and some conditions.

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> Everything is propaganda in one way or another. Everyone trying to prove they

are right or sell something. I get that very well. Robin

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> http://betterwayhealth.com/Beta-Glucan-60-Capsules-500-Mg-Immune-Enhancer.html

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[Guest guest]

When considering why some otherwise harmful substances

result in improvement, don't forget about " masking. "

Masking of physical symptoms should not be confused with

improvement of health. Consider smoking. It is a fantastic mask

for all kinds of ailments. Until the lung cancer or other respiratory

diseases kill you.

Go to 's Web site at: http://drclaudiamiller.com/ for

excellent information on masking. She is the one who figured out

why others couldn't devise a statistically valid " measure " of

impact for chemical (and now some mold exposures). They didn't

consider the complicating factor of " masking. "

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

[Guest guest]

Good point Carl.

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[Guest guest]

Robin, one thing that might come into play with weither some can tolerate or get

benifits from even a pure beta gluten might depend on

what kind of damages they suffered with their WDB exposure.

one that comes to mind is CNS damage. some might not tolerate haveing their

immune systems overly stimulated to well. seems if the brain and the body are

not communicateing like they should, it could have no effect or a bad effect.

the important thing, if your going to try it is to first get to a state were you

can reconize if it has a bad effect or no effect or good effect. I dont think

anyone can tell you if something is going to work for you or not. I dont think

anyone can truely say it worked or didn't work for me so it has to be the same

for you.

somethings you just have to try I guess, if your convienced it might help, later

on when you get to the point of trying it, you can report to us the results.

however it's kind of like beating a dead horse to keep hashing on it, see what

I'm saying? I'm not saying that to be mean. for some things your not going to

get a answer, you can only get opinions.

it is a fungal by product, risk of getting a pure form might be iffy.

if your looking for someone to say it's good and you should do it, I dont think

you'll get that answer hear. ps, some of us dont tolerate anything fermented and

even probiotics can have bad side effects and you can find information out there

that even to much of that isn't good. you go to researching enough and your

going to find that for every claim of good, theres also claims of bad. than you

have to view both sides and try to deturmine what fits with our illness.

the medical field of science is not perfect by a long shot.

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> We should never stimulate pro inflammatory cytokines? I can see avoiding this

if all beta glucans are a problem for us or if questionable but possibly there

is a role for beta glucans for some people and some conditions.

>

> Everything is propaganda in one way or another. Everyone trying to prove they

are right or sell something. I get that very well. Robin

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with Jeanine. Plus medical science is mostly investigating

pharmaceutical drugs back by that money and other research is inadequate due to

lack of funding. You have to read and come to your own conclusions on

conflicting information and opinions.

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> > We should never stimulate pro inflammatory cytokines?

[Guest guest]

Robin, I fell like during our exposure our immune system is in over drive and to

me it doesn't seem logical to take anything that causes the immune system to

over react. if your body sences beta gluten as a danger, it's going to over

react to it.

you might do a search of " the danger signal theory " it's a very interesting

concept and for me it answered alot of questions that I wasn't seeing answered

by the self,non-self models and what can happen with exposures. and I think it's

proveing itself to be very true. I think I also posted some info about

macrophages gone bad, where they go from helping to harming after toxin

exposures. another interesting thought. I will see if I can locate them if you

cant, sorry dont remeber the headings I might of posted them under.

I usually posted stuff like that under the title of the study or article.

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> Hi Jeanine.. I agree with you. Thank you. What I am hashing out though is the

its all bad concept. Its not, right? If it is and there is good evidence or

reasoning, I would like to know.

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> No one can

[Guest guest]

I believe we have to take our supplements on a case by case method. For example,

I take red yeast rice for cholesterol. Since, I have been taking it, my numbers

have been perfect. Back when I was living in the moldy house, I would not

considered taking red yeast rice.

My friend had a serious case of cancer a few months ago and is taking beta -

glucan and and medicinal mushrooms, she thinksher suppliments are keeping her

cancer free and I am not one to doubt her. There have been positive studies

regarding this product when used as a part of cancer prevention so I just don't

want to throw the baby out with the bath.

Many say it really keeps their allergies at bay.

We have to remember, when reacting to a sick building we do become sensitive to

a lot of foods as well as supplements. I would not eat bread back then because

of the yeast contents but I will now because I am no longer in a sick building

and basically about well from it all.

I have not tried the beta - glucan. I don't need supplements at this time for

my immunity as I have gotten pretty healthy. I am no longer suffering from mold

issues and I keep my allergies controlled with shots.

Some say to drink a little red wine for health. For me, I won't touch wine

because my sister passed away with liver disease and she was not a drinker. I

don't know if wine will harm me or not but why take the chance? Also, if one is

in a sick building, wine is another product one should not ingest.

All being said, back when I was living in a sick building and I was very ill, I

was very careful with my foods and supplements. I would not take suppliments

which contained yeast nor would I eat cheeses. Now that I am well, I can relax

and have some cheese with my yeast roll. This is now and that was then. What

might be good for one, might not be good for all.

IMO, we need to stress the dangers of smoking while living in a sick building. I

would like to know how many people who are suffering from sick building are

still smoking. I don't think we discuss near enough the dangers of smoking and

what it does to our health. What about the house which homed smokers for years.

Wouldn't such a home be considered a sick building? IMO, yes. I get sick if I

go into such a building even if smokers no longer live there. I would rather

ingest yeast than to poison my body with smoke and nicotine. And yes, I was once

a smoker.

[Guest guest]

This is very helpful. Thank you. I have to order new supps to take to new

location and will try to keep the yeasty supps out as much as possible and then

add in at a later date if see the need... same with foods. The problem is that

there are quite a few supps made from yeasts including b vitamins. Its also nice

to hear how your process. Thanks for this..

Robin

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> I believe we have to take our supplements on a case by case method. For

example, I take red yeast rice for cholesterol. Since, I have been taking it,

my numbers have been perfect. Back when I was living in the moldy house, I

would not considered taking red yeast rice.

>

> My friend

[Guest guest]

You can get your b vitamins from a non yeast source. I can't remember the maker

but I am pretty sure it is Nature's Plus. Nature's Plus has some of the best and

most pure vitamins on the market.

>

> This is very helpful. Thank you. I have to order new supps to take to new

location and will try to keep the yeasty supps out as much as possible and then

add in at a later date if see the need... same with foods. The problem is that

there are quite a few supps made from yeasts including b vitamins. Its also nice

to hear how your process. Thanks for this..

>

> Robin

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[Guest guest]

Now that this has been addressed, I have to respond.  I read a post, somewhere

in a discussion on this site, I think, in which a person severely ill from

exposure and sensitivities said that smoking didn't create any

reactions!  Yikes!  I can see that smoking would cause the " masking " that

Dr.

discusses.  I know that I thought that having my martini on Fridays

actually made me feel better; it seemed that my lungs hurt less.  I'm sure

that's another example of masking!  The moment I discovered that my liver had

to be detoxed, I quit even the occasional social drinking I did.  Why further

work an already overworked organ so necessary to my survival?  

While some ask for the science that backs certain claims, we need not look

farther than the cigarette packs themselves to find the warning.  We know,

without a doubt, the poisons that are contained within cigarettes.  I don't

understand, truly, anyone who reaches the point of chemical sensitivity that

some of us have reached and who still continues smoking.  It's like reaching

out

for a life preserver while you are drowning, while at the same time, attaching

your ankle to a 1000-pound cement anchor. 

I smoked at one time, and I so understand how difficult it is to quit.  Best

thing I ever did...difficult, but do-able!  Good thoughts, folks.  No judgment

but wishes of health for all of our wonderful members!!  sally

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From: CU <jackiebreeze@...>

Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 7:56:06 PM

Subject: [] Re: OT: Beta - Glucan

 

I believe we have to take our supplements on a case by case method. For example,