Re: scared and confused / mycos outdoors

[Guest guest]

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> To my experience, the greatest thing about winter is it kills all the bugs so

I can be outside without getting bitten and the mold count goes down, pollen and

air bourne allergens are gone. It for all things, except getting around in a

car, its' the best time for allergy and mold sufferers. Air is crisp and clean.

My best friend thinks I should move to Alaska.

Do you have a sense of how just your mold toxin symptoms (rather than also

problems that come from allergens, pollutants and bugs) are in winter vs.

summer?

The best description I've found for allergic vs. toxicity symptoms is from this

site, described below. Is this how the folks on this board are understanding

this?

http://www.stachy.5u.com/posts.html

I often veer away from the use of the word " mycotoxins " because the Air Quality

people have some specific definition for it that, to my understanding, does not

include all of the toxic chemicals made by toxic molds. I more tend to use

" mold toxins, " " mold poisons, " " toxic mold " or even (since the allergens are not

a concern for me) " mold " as shorthand for the poisonous effects of toxic molds.

I can be more careful here if those terms are confusing though.

The Moldies I know from the " civilized " areas of Alaska express great

dissatisfaction with that state. They cite the poor building construction with

leaks, flat roofs with snow accumulations, short days and gray skies as

problematic. Likely the really unpopulated areas are better, I'd imagine.

Best,

http://www.stachy.5u.com/posts.html

Allergic symptoms to mold would include sneezing; a running and itchy nose;

watering and itching of the eyes; nasal stuffiness; respiratory symptoms such as

wheezing and coughing, especially in asthmatics; itching of the skin.

Toxic symptoms are due to mycotoxins on the mold spores. They can include:

memory loss ; attention deficit/concentration problems ; personality changes

such as irritability or depression; neurological disorders such as tremors;

tingling or burning of nose, mouth; chronic fatigue; dizziness; nausea/vomiting;

bleeding in the lungs; suppression of the immune system; headache; flu-like

symptoms; red eyes (without watering or itching); incoordination; muscle spasms

and cramps; damage to internal organs. Toxic symptoms from these mycotoxins have

similarities to toxic symptoms from poisoning.

Stachybotrys spores produce multiple mycotoxins, including trichothecenes.

Trichothecenes have been produced commercially for use in biological warfare.

These are strong neurotoxins. Mycotoxins are nearly all cytotoxic, disrupting

various cellular structures such as membranes, and interfering with vital

cellular processes such as protein, RNA and DNA synthesis

If you were to meet a person suffering from allergy to mold, that person would

most likely complain of symptoms similar to those of `hay fever'. Those symptoms

are detailed above under " allergic symptoms " . The symptoms would most likely be

described as annoying (with varying degrees of annoyance); they would not,

however, be described as devastating. Their symptoms would be rather straight

forward , easily observable and easily understandable.

If you were to meet a person suffering from toxicity due to mold mycotoxins,

your first impression might be that the person is affected by a mental problem.

Your first thought might be that the person would be best off consulting a

psychiatrist or a psychologist. The person might have a lot of vague symptoms –

symptoms way out of proportion to what you could observe – symptoms that might

be difficult for the affected person to explain and for you to understand. But,

the underling theme, if you listened carefully, would be that of toxicity. Most

likely the toxic person would complain of extreme fatigue, weakness, tiredness,

flu-like symptoms, and often respiratory problems: but not usually coughing or

wheezing. Instead, he/she would complain of terrible burning or soreness in

his/her lungs, possibly aggravated with exertion or exercise. And, instead of

telling you that the experience was one of annoyance (to a lesser or greater

degree) as allergy sufferers would tell you, the toxic sufferer would more

likely describe her/his experience as a hellish nightmare.

The toxic sufferer's behavior would more likely be that of a frantic effort to

get away from the contaminated source and an almost paranoiac effort to rid

themselves of contaminated materials. This is in stark contrast to the allergic

sufferer who would most likely find the offending mold to be more of a nuisance

rather than a substance sent from hell.

[Guest guest]

I don't have any of the allergy symptoms listed and never had but I do have many

toxic symptoms, but my point is how do you know it is specially 'mycotoxins'

when you are **outdoors. Same symptoms can be for any toxins and there are

bunch of them so all this conjecture about where mycotoxin might be is a waste

of time I think. If there is water damage building stay out, if you are

bothered by a place outdoors, get away but trying to figure out where you can

expect to find specifically the 'mycotoxin' toxin seems a waste of time to me.

You can't say a 'toxic symptom' is a 'myco toxic symptom' when you are outside.

The perfect example is the Monsanto article. They are spraying Roundup

EVERYWHERE. Read the side affects possible to humans on Roundup or any toxin

for that matter, but you can go ahead and theorize on just myocotoxin if you

want. I just think it is a waste of time. I don't think mycotoxins are

probably a problem outdoors unless you are camping in a river valley or near

water damaged buildings like in New Orleans. Elsewhere you are probably dealing

with deisel fuel, Round up and other pesticides and all the numerous chemical

spewed by the chemical factories, into the water, which then could evaporate

into the air or directly into the air or into the soil you are camping near or

living nearby. However, this is exhausting me because I know you are sure it is

*myco* toxins so I'm not going to comment about this anymore. I just think you

have convinced yourself that every reaction is a reaction to mycotoxins and I

doubt that is true.

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> The problem that I have with this hypothesis is that now, when I'm around the

chemicals that I KNOW are in the environment, I'm not bothered by them.

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> It used to be that things like air fresheners, perfume, bleach, insect spray,

paint, rubber, cigarettes and an infinite array of other chemicals were

extremely debilitating to me.

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> Now those things are not any more of an issue for me than they seem to be for

normal people. Even things like asphalt construction and roof tar are not

horrendously debilitating, if I'm forced to come into contact with them.

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[Guest guest]

symptoms of hay fever are not a allergy! wrong,wrong,wrong, people that hang on

to old ways of thinking really are not thinking, but maybe they dont get it

cause haven't be made ill from a WDB that included mycotoxin exposure. ask a

farm girl thats sick from WDB exposure whats in that moldy hay causeing

headackes and " flu type symptoms " . now if I'm wrong, than mycotoxins are a

allergen!

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>Do you have a sense of how just your mold toxin symptoms (rather than also

problems that come from allergens, pollutants and bugs) are in winter vs.

summer?

>

> The best description I've found for allergic vs. toxicity symptoms is from

this site, described below. Is this how the folks on this board are

understanding this?

>

>

> http://www.stachy.5u.com/posts.html

>

> I often veer away from the use of the word " mycotoxins " because the Air

Quality people have some specific definition for it that, to my understanding,

does not include all of the toxic chemicals made by toxic molds. I more tend to

use " mold toxins, " " mold poisons, " " toxic mold " or even (since the allergens are

not a concern for me) " mold " as shorthand for the poisonous effects of toxic

molds. I can be more careful here if those terms are confusing though.

>

> The Moldies I know from the " civilized " areas of Alaska express great

dissatisfaction with that state. They cite the poor building construction with

leaks, flat roofs with snow accumulations, short days and gray skies as

problematic. Likely the really unpopulated areas are better, I'd imagine.

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> Best,

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> http://www.stachy.5u.com/posts.html

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> Allergic symptoms to mold would include sneezing; a running and itchy nose;

watering and itching of the eyes; nasal stuffiness; respiratory symptoms such as

wheezing and coughing, especially in asthmatics; itching of the skin.

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> Toxic symptoms are

[Guest guest]

and we have had people from alaska in this group, yes, indoors in alaska may

have moldy indoor problems, it's called snow melting and run off, and leaks,ect.

I still bet their outside air is pretty desent

and as I remember thats exactly what one alaskian said. they dont have a outdoor

mold problem, they have indoor mold problems.

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> > To my experience, the greatest thing about winter is it kills all the bugs

so I can be outside without getting bitten and the mold count goes down, pollen

and air bourne allergens are gone. It for all things, except getting around in

a car, its' the best time for allergy and mold sufferers. Air is crisp and

clean. My best friend thinks I should move to Alaska.

[Guest guest]

I would expect indoor problems in Alaska, subject is just outside. Since I know

to watch for indoor problems, a friend who know I look forward to winter, 'joke'

that I should live in Alaska but I think I would be better off there actually

but don't want to freeze year round outdoors.

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> > > To my experience, the greatest thing about winter is it kills all the bugs

so I can be outside without getting bitten and the mold count goes down, pollen

and air bourne allergens are gone. It for all things, except getting around in

a car, its' the best time for allergy and mold sufferers. Air is crisp and

clean. My best friend thinks I should move to Alaska.

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[Guest guest]

yep Barb, I would move there with ya if it weren't for the freezeing part thats

just to hard on my nerve damage.

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> > > > To my experience, the greatest thing about winter is it kills all the

bugs so I can be outside without getting bitten and the mold count goes down,

pollen and air bourne allergens are gone. It for all things, except getting

around in a car, its' the best time for allergy and mold sufferers. Air is

crisp and clean. My best friend thinks I should move to Alaska.

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[Guest guest]

Slaya, you know whats really weird, my exposure caused me to supposedly now be

highly allergic to many molds. whats really strange is that I hardly ever have

sneezing and runny nose effects and here I am liveing in this moldy state, you'd

think my nose would be contantly red and sore from wipeing it so much and that I

would have sneezed my brains out by now, but my sneezing and runny nose events

are so rare that when it actually does happen I'm just tottally confused as to

why. and it always ends as fast as it began so I dont even deal with it long

enough to put my finger on a cause.

now isn't that just weird?

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Do you have a sense of how just your mold toxin symptoms (rather than also

problems that come from allergens, pollutants and bugs) are in winter vs.

summer?

>

> The best description I've found for allergic vs. toxicity symptoms is from

this site, described below. Is this how the folks on this board are

understanding this?

>

>

> http://www.stachy.5u.com/posts.html

>

> I often veer away from the use of the word " mycotoxins " because the Air

Quality people have some specific definition for it that, to my understanding,

does not include all of the toxic chemicals made by toxic molds. I more tend to

use " mold toxins, " " mold poisons, " " toxic mold " or even (since the allergens are

not a concern for me) " mold " as shorthand for the poisonous effects of toxic

molds. I can be more careful here if those terms are confusing though.

>

> The Moldies I know from the " civilized " areas of Alaska express great

dissatisfaction with that state. They cite the poor building construction with

leaks, flat roofs with snow accumulations, short days and gray skies as

problematic. Likely the really unpopulated areas are better, I'd imagine.

>

> Best,

>

>

> http://www.stachy.5u.com/posts.html

>

[Guest guest]

this statement just cracks me up,lol's.

The toxic sufferer's behavior would more likely be that of a frantic effort to

get away from the contaminated source and an almost paranoiac effort to rid

themselves of contaminated materials. This is in stark contrast to the allergic

sufferer who would most likely find the offending mold to be more of a nuisance

rather than a substance sent from hell.

>

> Do you have a sense of how just your mold toxin symptoms (rather than also

problems that come from allergens, pollutants and bugs) are in winter vs.

summer?

>

> The best description I've found for allergic vs. toxicity symptoms is from

this site, described below. Is this how the folks on this board are

understanding this?

>

>

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[Guest guest]

and before anyone wants to tell me that hay fever is not just about hay, I'm

aware of that, same can apply to fall when weeds,grasses,ect. are dieing and

composting. hey, hay is hay, dieing,dead grasses, a few weeds, ect. compost

piles made of yard grass klippings, thats hay. you know whats really weird, I

used to mow grass 6 months out of the year for the highway department. yep, that

was me on that tractor you tried to run over, lol's,

I'll admit that I suffered a few headackes during the fall with the last

cutting, sometimes but nothing major. how crazy is it that now it just wipes me

out to even be in the area of something that I used to be around most of my

life. so really, I can see were mold and it's toxins, in outdoor environments,

mycotoxins more so, from certain sorces ( not in air without a close by sorse)

can give regular people headackes, or hay fever symptoms, and I know what it can

do to people that have been exposed to a WDB. and it's not just about a mold

" allergy " . unless mycotoxins are allergens??? and toxins.

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> >Do you have a sense of how just your mold toxin symptoms (rather than also

problems that come from allergens, pollutants and bugs) are in winter vs.

summer?

> >

> > The best description I've found for allergic vs. toxicity symptoms is from

this site, described below. Is this how the folks on this board are

understanding this?

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[Guest guest]

and in all fairness to hay, cut grass , we can't leave out all the toxic

particles that land out of the air. so really, who noses what all is really in

that smell,air plume or what ever you want to call it. toxic dust, toxic

particle reactivity, whatever.

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> >Do you have a sense of how just your mold toxin symptoms (rather than also

problems that come from allergens, pollutants and bugs) are in winter vs.

summer?

> >

> > The best description I've found for allergic vs. toxicity symptoms is from

this site, described below. Is this how the folks on this board are

understanding this?

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[Guest guest]

Jeannine: Why do you say " that statement cracks you up? " In my experience, that

is an accurate description that gave about getting away from mycotoxins..

It was exactly that way with me when I was exposed. D

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> > Do you have a sense of how just your mold toxin symptoms (rather than also

problems that come from allergens, pollutants and bugs) are in winter vs.

summer?

> >

> > The best description I've found for allergic vs. toxicity symptoms is from

this site, described below. Is this how the folks on this board are

understanding this?

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[Guest guest]

Speaking of 's specific reaction. I need some help. I get a very specific

horrible emotional reaction to some items from my place and I am very confused.

I have to assume my whole place is toxic. I do not think I'm reacting to spores

because it is so EMOTIONAL. It is very specific. I get an exposure and I feel

chest pressure and an immediate horrible mood change (that reminds me of the

constant mood I had in my place except when I was running fans in the windows

all summer), I feel total despair and grief and accompanying rage but I think

the rage is an actual reaction to the other reaction (ie the rage comes a few

minutes later when I Realize I've had an exposure again).

I do not think I become tolerized to this because I lived with those feelings in

my place for quite a long time.

YET I seem to have brought down clothing I've been wearing, toiletries etc etc.

THe first thing I noticed reacting to was my small computer WHEN I opened it to

work on it. It happened four times so I bought a used netbook to use down here

for the time being. I closed up the computer (it doesn't seem nearly as bad

closed up) and put it in the trunk. I should have put it in a plastic bag but I

didn't so what's done is done.

I can open the trunk and move things and not react however so maybe most of the

problem is inside the computer and when its turned on it spews it out.

Then my bf shipped down a few items (he went back to pack up things etc and I'm

now in Atlanta for a few weeks by myself). I opened them in the UPS store and

got the horrible reaction. I threw them all out.

NOW, I am packing my stuff to move into the small apt I'm hopefully renting. I

opened a small bag he'd sent down with two clothing items and a sound machine,

that was in a plastic bag in the back of the car. I looked inside and I had the

HORRIBLE reaction. I threw out the sound machine, and I left the bag for the

time being on top of the car.

What I don't understand is--why I react so badly to certain items? They were not

all stored in one place. I have to assume it's throughout the whole apartment. I

don't know what to do about this. It's really upsetting me as I don't want to

make big mistakes. I'm going to have to let go of lots of expensive furniture

that even at firesale prices on craigslist nobody is interested in at all (must

be the economy). Can I take my beautiful glass and metal Ikea desk, and my metal

container store drawers? If washed down and wiped with alcohol can they be

" saved " ?

Why is the contamination only so obvious on certain items? I am totally

confused. Back to packing but if anyone can explain it or hazard a hypothesis I

would be grateful as I have some big decisions to make. All I know is I do NOT

want this horrible depression back, that I seem to get to either mold spores or

mold toxins from my place. I get physical symptoms from other molds, and I also

have mold allergies, but this black depression seems specific to contaminated

items from my place. Altho it may be in my bldg too as my neighbor across the

hall seems to have gone into a severe depression (he had a major flood two years

ago).

> It's just this one very specific " sensation " that bothers me. And it can

occur just as easily in buildings in the wilderness as in the city.

>

> If I find it in a building and ask around, there usually is some evidence that

it's had water damage.

>

> Just last week, I once again matched it to a very small amount of dark green

mold that someone pointed out to me.

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> I'm not going to rule out the idea that some other very specific chemicals

might be bothering me too, but I'm not sure which ones these might be.

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> I'm certainly open to suggestions though.

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> Best,

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[Guest guest]

D. just the use of words, you had to of been there, nevermind.

but,I do have a question, how do you know it was mycotoxins you were trying to

get away from?

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> Jeannine: Why do you say " that statement cracks you up? " In my experience,

that is an accurate description that gave about getting away from

mycotoxins.. It was exactly that way with me when I was exposed. D

[Guest guest]

it affects the parts of your brain that are involved with moods. so a

re-exposure well affect it again. this is something you cant control other than

advoiding whats causeing it. you may also be haveing a reaction to haveing this

reaction because you get aggervated and confused by the reaction and it's alot

to deal with. you can also be reacting to the smell of these things in to ways,

one would be a actual re-exposure which you really shouldn't be dealing with.

the other could be a reaction that is where memory comes in and where people

have a pleasant or bad memory related to certain smells and smelling that smell

again can trigger those memories, good or bad.

or supposedly trigger fellings tied to those memories.

so actually you could be haveing 3 different brain responces from that smell.

the most important one would be if the level of contamination is causeing a

re-exposure. do you open these boxes outside? you might try that and let them

air out for awhile and see if that helps any. it should also cut down on

re-exposure issues to some extent.you might try very hot water and ammonia and

dawn dish soap for things you can wash. careful not to breath in the fumes from

the ammonia.

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> > It's just this one very specific " sensation " that bothers me. And it can

occur just as easily in buildings in the wilderness as in the city.

> >

> > If I find it in a building and ask around, there usually is some evidence

that it's had water damage.

> >

> > Just last week, I once again matched it to a very small amount of dark green

mold that someone pointed out to me.

> >

> > I'm not going to rule out the idea that some other very specific chemicals

might be bothering me too, but I'm not sure which ones these might be.

> >

> > I'm certainly open to suggestions though.

> >

> > Best,

> >

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[Guest guest]

I don't know what you mean by " ..cracks me up? " I have had allergies, and

asthma, to mold and many other allergens, since the age of 9. I am now 67. I

have had Toxic Mold reactions for the last 12 years. The statement that cracks

you up, happens to be the most accurate description of my personal experiences

with both allergic and toxic mold reactions, that I have ever read. The author

of that statement, who I think is Dr. Klein, is not implying that toxic mold

sufferers must be crazy. He is simply stating that a bad toxic mold exposure can

" drive you crazy " . It has happened to me, a few times. So, what do you find

humorous about the original statement?

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> > Do you have a sense of how just your mold toxin symptoms (rather than also

problems that come from allergens, pollutants and bugs) are in winter vs.

summer?

> >

> > The best description I've found for allergic vs. toxicity symptoms is from

this site, described below. Is this how the folks on this board are

understanding this?

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[Guest guest]

I'm not saying this is not a fairly accurate statement. like I said, you'd just

have to of been there.

> The toxic sufferer's behavior would more likely be that of a frantic effort to

get away from the contaminated source and an almost paranoiac effort to rid

themselves of contaminated materials.

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[Guest guest]

Joe, heres the thing with this, and maybe it comes down to mainly the central

nervous system damage. but this reaction might be what I'd describe as a minor

exposure. heres why, with what I consider moerate exposures to toxins in general

some of my immediate responces can be my brain turning to kindof a mush state

where the ablity to realing put together thoughts kindof go out the window, 2nd,

the fight or flight responce just doesn't kick in, but I know the felling I'm

getiing and I do reconize that I need to move, but just how fast I can move is a

different story, and my speech usually gets slower and slurred so for example if

I'm somewhere with my daughter, I might say to her a few times that I need to

get out of here, but usually by the third time I might say this, I'm obviously

showing some signs, physically cause she looks at me and get's a little alarmed

and I know on some occasions my face might be getting a little white, others

times maybe it's how I'm slumping more, but anyway usually she is more the

action taker than me.

see what I'm saying?

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> I'm not saying this is not a fairly accurate statement. like I said, you'd

just have to of been there.

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> > The toxic sufferer's behavior would more likely be that of a frantic effort

to get away from the contaminated source and an almost paranoiac effort to rid

themselves of contaminated materials.

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[Guest guest]

Not sure what you mean by this but I find my allergies to mold more than a

nuisance.

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> >

> > this statement just cracks me up,lol's.

> > The toxic sufferer's behavior would more likely be that of a frantic effort

to get away from the contaminated source and an almost paranoiac effort to rid

themselves of contaminated materials. This is in stark contrast to the allergic

sufferer who would most likely find the offending mold to be more of a nuisance

rather than a substance sent from hell.

> >

[Guest guest]

So do I jackie.

> > >

> > > this statement just cracks me up,lol's.

> > > The toxic sufferer's behavior would more likely be that of a frantic

effort to get away from the contaminated source and an almost paranoiac effort

to rid themselves of contaminated materials. This is in stark contrast to the

allergic sufferer who would most likely find the offending mold to be more of a

nuisance rather than a substance sent from hell.

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

Jeannine: I had treated my basement with bleach (did not know then how bad that

was) and ended up in the hospital for a week I was so ill. It was Dr. Croft that

was the first person that explained what he thought has happened and it has been

talked about here many times. I did not kill the mold as intended, I " made it

angry " (his words) and then everything went wrong. I came out to Dr. Reas and

had tricothecene very high in my urine and also Aflatoxin in my sinuses. Also

had chemicals from urathaning my floors in my addition. I assumed it was

mycotoxins also because I would get the burning sensation all over my body and

in my lungs like pepper spray (Dr. Shoemakers words) So, I am not saying other

things were not involved, but I do believe mycotoxins and mold wre the things

that totally brought me down. D

> >

> > Jeannine: Why do you say " that statement cracks you up? " In my experience,

that is an accurate description that gave about getting away from

mycotoxins.. It was exactly that way with me when I was exposed. D

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Daine, yes, I think mold toxins play the major role in indoor exposures,

but often there are usually some form of other chemicals envolved, either from

what the mold is degradeing or offgassing of something in or used in the home.

even takeing meds or herbs, ect while being exposed in a indoor exposure can

affect us differently.

kindof like takeing to meds that react to each other. for example, haveing a

doctor treat you for depression with antidepressants while your being exposed in

a moldy home. many toxins just dont mix well.

I think alot of times what gets us in more serious trouble is a combined effect

of more than one type of toxin. mold toxins do enough damage on there own but

add another chemical, meds, cleaning products,bacterias, ect. and you have a

compounded effect which could severely confuse your system and cause even more

damage.

so really, there could be so many veriables going on with our exposures, it's

hard to say what caused what. even in a household where one gets sick and others

dont, not only would those closest to the mold mixture sorce, breathing it more

be more affected but those takeing meds, do more cleaning that wood possably

mean stirring up and breathing more contaminates, ect. would most likely become

more sick. just like those with a weakened immune system for whatever reasons,

and very young and very old. even if you ever had any sergery or have a weakened

organ, that organ would be more of a target because it's weakened.

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> > > Jeannine: Why do you say " that statement cracks you up? " In my experience,

that is an accurate description that gave about getting away from

mycotoxins.. It was exactly that way with me when I was exposed. D

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

I came out to Dr. Reas and had tricothecene very high in my urine and also

Aflatoxin in my sinuses. Also had chemicals from urathaning my floors in my

addition. I assumed it was mycotoxins also because I would get the burning

sensation all over my body and in my lungs like pepper spray (Dr. Shoemakers

words) So, I am not saying other things were not involved, but I do believe

mycotoxins and mold wre the things that totally brought me down. D

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Diane, I can't remember if you've looked at Dr. Rea's book series, but I found

them to be absolutely terrific. Not cheap and not necessarily easy reading, but

they definitely gave me a firmer foundation with regard to my own understanding

of this area.

Likely you've absorbed lots of this info as a result of spending time at Dr.

Rea's clinic.

What I'm not sure about is how far Dr. Rea has extended his general theory about

how man-made chemicals work to how mold-made chemicals work. He certainly

doesn't do that in the books. If he's not yet done so, that would explain why

it is that he's not been as successful as we would like to see at treating

people for mold illness.

[Guest guest]

I think Dr. Rea actually has a pretty good idea of whats going on.

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> I came out to Dr. Reas and had tricothecene very high in my urine and also

Aflatoxin in my sinuses. Also had chemicals from urathaning my floors in my

addition. I assumed it was mycotoxins also because I would get the burning

sensation all over my body and in my lungs like pepper spray (Dr. Shoemakers

words) So, I am not saying other things were not involved, but I do believe

mycotoxins and mold wre the things that totally brought me down. D

>

> >>>

> Diane, I can't remember if you've looked at Dr. Rea's book series, but I found

them to be absolutely terrific. Not cheap and not necessarily easy reading, but

they definitely gave me a firmer foundation with regard to my own understanding

of this area.

>

> Likely you've absorbed lots of this info as a result of spending time at Dr.

Rea's clinic.

>

> What I'm not sure about is how far Dr. Rea has extended his general theory

about how man-made chemicals work to how mold-made chemicals work. He certainly

doesn't do that in the books. If he's not yet done so, that would explain why

it is that he's not been as successful as we would like to see at treating

people for mold illness.

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