Re: 9/11, KATRINA CAUGH, TOXIC DUST, RADS

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heres the thing with this, and maybe if we can make sence of it we can

have a closer idea of what is affecting us. many have chemical sensitivity, if

that is classifed as a immediate responce in one or more organs (depending on

what organs have been previously damaged by exposures in WDB) a immediate

reactivity responce, like caughing and closeing up of airways and brain effects

to name just maybe the main ones,very possable a sensory reception/transmission

disorder,but which also would include somewhat delayed effects/further damage to

tissue and very possably a responce do to the tissue damage itself and a

responce in the blood vessels and what goes with that when toxins inter your

blood stream. even for some (maybe do to organ damage) might inhale a toxin that

gets to the stomach pretty quick and cause a immediate chemical reaction there

and delayed reactions

which I believe is very possable with certain organs being damaged.

where as eating something with something toxic could also and also have delayed

effects.

now this article says toxins and irritants.

I do fell pretty strongly that at least some mycotoxins dont cause a immediate

chemical sensitivity responce and that rarely but possable under certain

condicions some might get a exposure in a WDB that could be mainly a mycotoxin

exposure,so to say but still not completely only a mycotoxin exposure. in these

cases organ damage might be specific depending on type of mycotoxin and severity

of organ damage dependant on dose and time.

however according to this article a mycotoxin would have to not be considered as

a irritant, we know it's a toxin, but can it be a toxin

that does not cause any adverse immedite reactions but instead only reacts

somehow when it makes contact with tissue,cells, and damages the tissue/cells.

we know it is doing this. one way it might possably not cause a reconized

immediate reaction would be if it's governed by dose and in a this might be the

case as with possably the dose of many other toxins and irritants might be in

greater quanitys, but a continued low dose to mycotoxins could do alot of organ

damage over time and it's very possable that the cells surrounding the area of

where a mycotoxin ends up are going to suffer as a result, so if I'm

understanding halfway right, even though some mycotoxins cause apoptosis they

very possably lead to/or also cause necrosis and thus,organ damage. seems that

even if mycotoxins or some mycotoxins are not soluable, they could be kindof

acting in the way a metal or other non-soluable particle in that they would

possable take a long time to slowly degrade and would be setting there slowly

releaseing toxin that would continueally recall on a immune responce.

but anyway, back to a immediate responces of chemicals and irritants,

(and I'm not convienced that a allergic responce or a allergen would be

involved, but I do kindof believe a true allergy is something your born with,

but why your born with it could all lead back to the same topic,basicly) than

you get into allergens and antigen presentation and it appears how some

mycotoxins are presented and while at lower doses genitics may play more of a

role but compounding toxin exposures and or high dose exposures may override,

and or cause certain inhibiting factors of certain immune processes and so on.

than theres the mutating cells, ect. seems several ways possable that may keep

our immune system from ridding mycotoxins from our body, so they do go on to do

the organ damage, and what may rid circulateing ones might not rid those

imbedded somewhere in tissue that maybe only time well degrade and I can see

where this could lead to cancer.

but anyway, if allergens aren't envolved in a immediate chemical/toxin,irritant

responce and mycotoxins are attaching to antigens,which would possable exclude

it from the immediate chemical/toxin and irritant responce, and even affecting

danger signal responce because there affecting macrophages and dc cells and the

antigen presenting cells themself, it seems theres lots of ways myco's could get

into our system and do the damage without really alarming us in any way that

they have intered our body.

?? now I'm just kindof throwing this out there as something to think about and

hopefully if anyone know for a fact that mycotoxins are involved in a immediate

chemical sensitivity responce in any organ or all organs (dependant or previous

organ damage), or if it may be dose dependant,like any other chemical,irritant

and maybe high doses of allergens too ? I think it probaly would be if you

breathed in a high dose of mycotoxins at once. very high and it could kill ya.

seems that with organ damage a high dose of particles, regardless of what they

are is going to cause a responce, for sure in the airways and more so if your

mucosa lineings are damaged and to tight junction tissue/cells if it is. and

without tissue damage,if you have a very mild case of chemical sensitivity it

may go away after you get away from whats causeing it. and it really seems to

me that so much is based on the level of organ damage, that the more organ

damage you have, the less it would take for any type of reaction, noticed or

not.

hers what I do know, twice, I have been re-exposed to my home with known stachy,

more abundant than other molds found,visually and test wise. once was while

standing outside in what I thought was a safe distants from the rap around porch

that has a large stachy mold problem in the roof of it. enough of a breeze that

I caught wiffs of that old fimular smell and although I had no immediate

reaction, the same old reactions I suffered in that house were starting in

within a few minutes, and this was I believe a low dose exposure, responce

wasn't as full blown and as damageing but still the same responce I knew and

reconized and this doesn't go away in 3 or 4 days.

so anyway, thats kindof why I believe that we dont get exposed to high amounts

of mycotoxins, but yes,a chronic low dose exposure in a WDB can do alot of

damage and give the gift that keeps on giveing even after we are out for some

time.

but I think in the norm of living in non-overly contaminated homes and exposures

outside, we may get some myco exposures but not in amounts that may cause a

reconized responce, unless it's coming from a major sorce of mold contamination

and than theres a good chance your also breathing a lot of other toxic.chemical

particles with it, which would cause a CS responce.

how can you sort it out?

well for me and what I believe from my own experience, is that at least with

some myco's, the seperation comes by what I precieve as most toxins/chemical

exposures that are bad enough with lingering effects useually last about 3 or 4

days , while some myco effects may last months. not saying all myco's cause I

dont know about that.

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[Guest guest]

WDB, water damaged buildings.

[Guest guest]

there was another outside exposure that I'm pretty sure was myco related, my

first symptom my lips went numb within maybe a second the rest of the body

followed, than the spasms,twitching, weakness set in, next day was so sore all

over, several certain sore body parts sore in a almost different kind of way and

this stayed sore a lot longer than the muscle soreness and ackeness but I also

had a harder time with brain functioning worse again,some symptoms lasting

around 2 months.

this is what I consider a fairly bad outdoor exposure from a pretty bad sorce.

no instant lung/caughing reaction with this one either but it did become hardier

to breath. thing is that it caused the same certain organs to be sore as the

other exposure from the porch, but more intence

and the numbness,tingleing,spasms,twitches were bad, and weakness,ackeing, ect.

followed.

hay, crops and dumpsters seem to be some good possable sorces of myco exposure,

compost piles. cities that have alot of pollution are probably a higher sorce

but along with many other things in the air.

sewer sorces are but but other things there too. chronic low dose exposures to

filth could just keep you felling bad while other higher doses cause very

reconized immediate symptoms.

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[Guest guest]

sorry to newbee's and not being rude, just dont like replying to emails unless I

know you. and some things I prefer to keep to myself.

no offence.

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