Re: OT: rant: I cannot believe it's all come back - one more note: NO ANIMALS

[Guest guest]

PS

I am very sorry to say, we had to put down a very beloved cat too. he was very

infected with spores.the second to last move he was about the only ting we

brought, and he immediately reinfested everything new. the only way to " clean "

him would have had to use chemicals that would have anyway killed him, there's

simply no way to deal with ANY ANIMALS AT ALL. I'm sure he wasn't happy either,

but it's a sad, sad thing to face. pray for the greater good. God will protect

you and Angels will guide you.

good luck,

sorry the advice is so harsh

this is what we had to do

we struggled for THREE YEARS before the ultimate solution

>

> Hi all, I'm sorry to be off-topic. I guess I just hope anyone can send a word

of comfort. I am so angry. I left to go to my MIL's, and felt so much better. My

dizziness, vertigo, ear pain, sinus pain, had etc. left. I started Cipro for my

two infections. I had a small episode of allergies from petting and kissing

cats, but otherwise felt, relatively speaking, great. I get back to the moldy

condo, and what happens? Some allergies, no big deal, just some eyes weeping,

nose running. Okay, I can deal with that, I think. After all, I have a cat here,

maybe she's made me sick and I'll just have a few allergy symptoms like at my

MIL's. Maybe most of my symptoms were related to the infections, I think. Maybe

they seemed worse than they really were, I reason. Oh, no. Symptoms after

symptoms have piled up through the night. My skin itches all over, my ear canals

feel like someone is drilling through them, the bridge of my nose and cheeks

feel like a fist is inside, pushing out against my skin. My skin starts burning

up, I feel really sick, and for the first time I have a fever. I'm just so

upset. I don't know how much more evidence I need, or how many more times it

will take for me to leave and feel halfway normal again, only to return and feel

the onslaught, for me to realize that this building is sick. Sick to me, sick to

my cat, sick to my husband (though not as much as to me).

>

> Does this happen to anyone else--do you go through this thing where you leave,

feel better, start thinking it's not as bad as you think, and then return and

wonder why in the heck you ever questioned yourself?

>

> It's just so hard because I am an evidence-based person, a skeptic at heart.

This whole thing puts me into mental gymnastics. I have my own evidence--at

least, a strong correlation, which is all anybody has without absolute cause and

effect--but it is so hard for me because as has been said so often, I will never

have certainty. I suppose nothing is certain, though. There is evidence for all

sorts of scientific theory we accept as fact, but not necessarily a

cause-and-effect-level of certainty. Sigh.

>

> Thanks for reading.

>

[Guest guest]

With all due repect D , PLEASE do not suggest people put their animals down

if they have mold or mycotoxins. I had a beautiful golden retriver and NEVER

would have made that decision in a million years. They deserve to get well as

much as we do, and they count on us to make sure that happens. Diane

>

> PS

> I am very sorry to say, we had to put down a very beloved cat too. he was very

infected with spores.the second to last move he was about the only ting we

brought, and he immediately reinfested everything new. the only way to " clean "

him would have had to use chemicals that would have anyway killed him, there's

simply no way to deal with ANY ANIMALS AT ALL. I'm sure he wasn't happy either,

but it's a sad, sad thing to face. pray for the greater good. God will protect

you and Angels will guide you.

>

> good luck,

> sorry the advice is so harsh

> this is what we had to do

>

> we struggled for THREE YEARS before the ultimate solution

>

[Guest guest]

Did the vet who put him down say he was too infected?? I am sorry but killing

your pet is going too far! Heck, why didn't you just shave him if you were that

worried???

>

> PS

> I am very sorry to say, we had to put down a very beloved cat too. he was very

infected with spores.the second to last move he was about the only ting we

brought, and he immediately reinfested everything new. the only way to " clean "

him would have had to use chemicals that would have anyway killed him, there's

simply no way to deal with ANY ANIMALS AT ALL. I'm sure he wasn't happy either,

but it's a sad, sad thing to face. pray for the greater good. God will protect

you and Angels will guide you.

>

> good luck,

> sorry the advice is so harsh

> this is what we had to do

>

> we struggled for THREE YEARS before the ultimate solution

>

[Guest guest]

sometimes the most humane thing to do for a pet thats very ill is to put them

out of their misery. I wouldn't do for fear of cross contamination, I'd just fix

them a place to live outside for awhile, but if they are ill, sometimes it the

best choise.

> >

> > PS

> > I am very sorry to say, we had to put down a very beloved cat too. he was

very infected with spores.the second to last move he was about the only ting we

brought, and he immediately reinfested everything new. the only way to " clean "

him would have had to use chemicals that would have anyway killed him, there's

simply no way to deal with ANY ANIMALS AT ALL. I'm sure he wasn't happy either,

but it's a sad, sad thing to face. pray for the greater good. God will protect

you and Angels will guide you.

> >

> > good luck,

> > sorry the advice is so harsh

> > this is what we had to do

> >

> > we struggled for THREE YEARS before the ultimate solution

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I agree. My wonderful old dog is the only thing I have from my old life. He

was sick also, and recovered. He gets the runs like I do if around mold. I have

shaved and bathed him whenever we have to de-contaminate. He has never

contaminated anything. He has got my back on camping trips to get healthy ,and

has chased off cougers when we lived in a tent. How else could a woman alone

live without fear outside for years. My faithful companion has meant everything

to me.

>

> With all due repect D , PLEASE do not suggest people put their animals

down if they have mold or mycotoxins. I had a beautiful golden retriver and

NEVER would have made that decision in a million years. They deserve to get well

as much as we do, and they count on us to make sure that happens. Diane

>

a

[Guest guest]

My feelings exactly Jackie. No one should ever post that there is " no

way to deal with animals at all. " Terrible advice. Animals are part of the

family and need to be cared for like anyone else... D

> >

> > PS

> > I am very sorry to say, we had to put down a very beloved cat too. he was

very infected with spores.

[Guest guest]

So sorry you lost Honey. My Ellie protects me and warns me before I am aware of

dangers. I had to go pay on my storage unit; typically, she comes in to visit

with the manager, who loves dogs. However, she started whining and would not

stay, trying to pull me away from a conversation. I told the manager that she

responds to chemicals/mold that could hurt me and sometimes whines and pulls on

the lead if I don't listen. She sat outside the office, missing treats he was

offering. It turned out that he had just treated the floor with a chemical,

long enough before that I didn't smell it...but she did and wanted me out of

there. Amazing little miniature Australian shepherd--she also helps me pick out

shampoos, conditioners, etc. Lots of the " organic " and " chemical free " products

offered at the health food store still have ingredients that I react to and that

aren't listed in terms I can understand. I have Ellie smell them; if she

sneezes or lifts a paw and backs up, I don't buy them; if she licks my hand, I

know it's safe. She is the ultimate decision-maker for products I use to clean.

(Vinegar sometimes doesn't agree with me; I keep trying to find something else

that is safe and effective. She helped me do so.) Anyway, there was one widely

recommended " safe " cleanser; she smelled it and started whining and backed away.

She wouldn't come near it. I then had her smell my second choice for " natural "

cleaners; she licked my hand. Since Ellie's refusal of this product, I have

heard of adverse reactions by a number of people to the cleaner she rejected.

She's my flawless consultant, a virtual mold and allegen/chemical detector.

Why, I'm wondering, are folks not able to use the anti-fungal shampoos that are

avaiable by prescription on their pets? They do not contain any of the

chemicals and poisons that some harsh pet shampoos contain. (And they don't

make Ellie sneeze!) Also, I wondered if animals could take glutathione, so I

went to a naturopathic veterinary site, asking about the use of glutathione for

animals and the use of cholestyramine for animals in detoxing/healing. I can't

prescribe or recommend, as I am not a vet. Please do a google search and ask

about " detoxing " an animal via methods that we ourselves use. These animals ask

so little of us and will do almost anything to please us. They give us so much;

we can offer them humane, effective treatment. We just have to find the right

vet, who is aware of and will advise about these issues. Sadly, I had to

abandon my traditional vet, who I thought loved my animals but who no longer

treats my animals after he mocked my concerns about giving my sensitive dog

Frontline. Before my exposure, I thought I was a good " mom, " a responsible pet

owner who did what the vet said and went to all appointments as directed. I

told the vet, before my exposure, that I was concerned about this product

Frontline; it seemed like her little tummy just seemed to be hot, hot. She

would jump in the water whenever she could, just lying there in the mud, and

also seemed more hyperactive and unfocused whenever she had this in her system.

The vet, who is well-regarded, said this reaction wouldn't be from the product,

which was harmful only to fleas and ticks; he said her reaction was probably

from something she had eaten. (Note: She's around other dogs at the dog park

and attracts ticks that are in the grasses where we walk.) I believed the

vet...one more time. However, after my repeated exposure and the SHIFT of

sensitivity, I petted my cat. I grieved; all of a sudden, my hand just burned

up and turned bright red. I told my " new " doctor that I feared that now I was

allergic to my animals; she said my reaction was probably due to the pesticides

in flea products like Frontline or shampoos or collars. After I became

sensitive, my hands would trob and turn beat red after petting my cat, who

didn't seem to have any reaction to this product. Now, I knew what my dog had

experienced. It's a miserable feeling, it's like pins and needles that are

hot!!! (Again, I just petted my cat; I didn't have the product put on my skin.)

Just appalling. Apologies in advance to vets out there who don't promote these

pesticides, which not only harm our animals but those who breathe their fumes

for the month of active diffusion of poisons.

Anyway, please, Dick and others who are suggesting that euthanesia is the avenue

for mold-impacted animals. This seems the final step, if the animal cannot be

treated by any other methods. I cringe to hear this " advice. " Some of us have

grown children and are no longer married; for us, our family becomes a family

with fur and four legs. I didn't hear anything about an internal detoxing of

the animals. Please Google this topic. I learned a lot. Happy Monday, Sally

>

> Bless you,,,,,,,,In our case Honey was his way of knowing when he was going to

> get a drop attack. She forced him down , to lay down and knew when he was

going

> to be ill.  She never left his side if he was, watched his eyes closely for

any

> movement.  Hour upon hour she would lay be his side his faithful companion

> always.  He has been completely devastated by her passing as she was his

comfort

> in a time of need especially after the mold exposure .  She is dearly,

deeply

> missed by us both.  One is my shadow if I move he never losses sight of me. 

> They are the unconditional love that can only be gotten by them.

Unconditionally

> and forever.   

>  

>

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

>

[Guest guest]

Sally,

That's an amazing story. Animals can be wonderful companions. All they ask is us

to loved & fed. They don't care what we look like.

 We haven't  been back to our vet in years either. Holistic vets can be pricey. 

I wouldn't take mine unless I couldn't figure it out. I would go for a consult,

but find a natural way to treat if possible.  Try a Holistic vet book as dogs &

cats are different. The one we had had websites & vet contacts.

 

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8 & rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3AHolistic%20veterinary%20medi\

cine & page=1

I learned there to put coconut oil on our cat's rash, which was probably mold

related. It was itching. She got hoarse before we did when got that rash. She

was trying to tell us the 1st year the place was moldy.

I remember using those flee collars,  gave me a dry itchy feeling on my hands.  

Wonder how our cats felt. We use a plain fabric collar. 

She only

sits in the new chair that's cotton fabric. We have 1 other living room chair

&   working on new sofas. I have a problem with microfiber or anything velvet

now. I guess b/c it attracts dust. Don't know that much about how it's made.

I'm with you on giving them a chance. They are injured just as we are. I'm so

sorry about Honey Mayleen. It's hard to heal, but in time it will be possible. 

We're blessed ours made it. She was falling over & vomiting the last 2 weeks

there.  Another factor might be she only got her 1st set vaccines. I read about

them after our son was dx's & decided against them for our inside cat. Maybe

reducing & spacying the vac's your pet gets would help. I know not all can

escape some when they go outside & licenses issues.

 Other cat's I've had all got UTI's. She's the only 1 that didn't.  She eats

commercial organic food. She threw up the last 3 we tried national brands.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Your dog sounds amazing! How did you train her? Or was this just a natural

understanding? My dog will sneeze very delicately when we are near a person with

perfume but that's about it. He's a Lab/border collie mix, I would love to train

him to detect molds!

>

> So sorry you lost Honey. My Ellie protects me and warns me before I am aware

of dangers.

[Guest guest]

Mayleen,

Thank you. Petroleum explains the microfiber problem.   A poly camisole's been

burning. I'm with you w cotton.

Kathy

 <dragonflymcs@...  wrote: Re: OT: rant: I cannot believe it's all come

back - one more note: NO ANIMALS

Have little time but let me say microfiber is a polyester so it is a petroleum

by product and probably why you do not tolerate it.  I don't either.  I was

getting PJ burns back then and found out why.  Silky PJ are just poly. unless

they say silk 100%.  Now I only use cotton.  After a few washes if regular. 

[Guest guest]

Kathy! Your cats are lucky to have a sensitive, caring " mom. " I, too, only

give my furry family (dog and cat--the cat isn't as sensitive as my dog) food

with no cereal or fillers. Expensive? Yes, but I want them to be as

comfortable and healthy as possible. I would skip a meal (and do sometimes) if

it meant that they would be healthy. I adopted them; I'm responsible for them.

Right? Anyway, thanks for your great reply and your thoughtful responses. I

have given both glutathione, per advice found through a holistic, homeopathic

vet. Really helped symptoms in both. Good thoughts, sally

>

> Sally,

>

> That's an amazing story. Animals can be wonderful companions. All they ask is

us to loved & fed. They don't care what we look like.

>

>  We haven't  been back to our vet in years either. Holistic vets can be

pricey.  I wouldn't take mine unless I couldn't figure it out. I would go for a

consult, but find a natural way to treat if possible.  Try a Holistic vet book

as dogs & cats are different. The one we had had websites & vet contacts.

>  

>

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8 & rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3AHolistic%20veterinary%20medi\

cine & page=1

>

>