Re: OT: rant: I cannot believe it's all come back = THE FINAL ESCAPE. NOT EASY.

September 5, 2010

I'll be blunt. The only way I got away from this with my wife, was to completely

destroy all our possessions and start over with nothing but our wedding rings.

100%. no excuses.

we did it four times keeping some things, and everytime, the mold and symptoms

came back and reestablished..

if you really, reallly want to be free, leave it all behind.

don't despair. It's just stuff. GOD will provide, and Angels will help.

All computers must have data sent over internet to new servers and re download

into new computers. do NOT keep ANYTHING. you will just prolong the agaony

get rid of any cars too. they will just immediately reinfect

remediation is a joke, it's literallly, scientifically, IMPOSSIBLE.

save yourself years of further torture. destroy everything. make NO EXCEPTIONS

find out where the nearest toxic materials dump is and have it taken there.

we moved FOUR TIMES and didnt' destroy all, it never worked !

at the end, we arranged for friends to buy us new clothes, new glasses, new

keys, new drivers license, and we tripped bagged up our last clothes leaving a

note of special instructions for the hotel and ran accross a hotel hall NAKED (a

kind of air lock maneurver !) to our new stuff. the spores are invisible and get

into everything.

we have been CLEAR for the past 8 years, since, and recovered our health.

i don't use this email. if you want' to talk, I'm at cell phone 626 277 3581. or

email david@.../ I'm busy and moving right now but I'm glad to talk.

yes, it's extreme. but, are you ready for it to be OVER for GOOD??

david clark,

http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidfclark/

>

> Hi all, I'm sorry to be off-topic. I guess I just hope anyone can send a word

of comfort. I am so angry. I left to go to my MIL's, and felt so much better. My

dizziness, vertigo, ear pain, sinus pain, had etc. left. I started Cipro for my

two infections. I had a small episode of allergies from petting and kissing

cats, but otherwise felt, relatively speaking, great. I get back to the moldy

condo, and what happens? Some allergies, no big deal, just some eyes weeping,

nose running. Okay, I can deal with that, I think. After all, I have a cat here,

maybe she's made me sick and I'll just have a few allergy symptoms like at my

MIL's. Maybe most of my symptoms were related to the infections, I think. Maybe

they seemed worse than they really were, I reason. Oh, no. Symptoms after

symptoms have piled up through the night. My skin itches all over, my ear canals

feel like someone is drilling through them, the bridge of my nose and cheeks

feel like a fist is inside, pushing out against my skin. My skin starts burning

up, I feel really sick, and for the first time I have a fever. I'm just so

upset. I don't know how much more evidence I need, or how many more times it

will take for me to leave and feel halfway normal again, only to return and feel

the onslaught, for me to realize that this building is sick. Sick to me, sick to

my cat, sick to my husband (though not as much as to me).

>

> Does this happen to anyone else--do you go through this thing where you leave,

feel better, start thinking it's not as bad as you think, and then return and

wonder why in the heck you ever questioned yourself?

>

> It's just so hard because I am an evidence-based person, a skeptic at heart.

This whole thing puts me into mental gymnastics. I have my own evidence--at

least, a strong correlation, which is all anybody has without absolute cause and

effect--but it is so hard for me because as has been said so often, I will never

have certainty. I suppose nothing is certain, though. There is evidence for all

sorts of scientific theory we accept as fact, but not necessarily a

cause-and-effect-level of certainty. Sigh.

>

> Thanks for reading.

>

September 5, 2010

I feel your pain, I can relate. I had to leave my husband and move into a hotel

to test a change in environment. I had to visit several hotels first because I

became suddenly allergic to cats, pollen, dust mites,etc, so I found one that

did not allow pets, the windows did not open, the air conditioning was inside,as

opposed to hanging out the window. then I covered the bed with plastic and

bought new linens of my own. Got a book called My House is Kiling Me. Spent a

few days there recovering, felt so much better, Within a day of returning home

I felt that old searing pain return to all the mucus membranes in my face, eyes.

I knew aJt that point something drastic needed to be done to the house or leave.

We did the best we could to make it a place I could live, like replacing carpets

with hardwood, all curtains thrown out, totally painted, and more. Then we

discovered the big monster in the master shower - it was totally molded behind

the walls

all the way up to the ceiling and into the attic. This mold had blown all over

everything we owned and loved, including our children,pets. At this point, I

knew I had to move out or I would die. I had surgery to remove lesions from my

sinus, I was losing tons of weight because I couldn & #39;t come out of my bubble

long enough to cook a meal. My husband would throw a carryout into my clean

room like a caged animal would live.

At first, the husband was upset, because strangely he did not have my symptoms.

I packed a very small bag of clothing, a few personals, told him I loved him but

had to leave or I would die. I moved into my favorite hotel and that is where I

stayed for the next 5 months while the home continued to be remediated. It was

hard to tell him I would never be able to return, no matter what the

remediation. How lonely to spend x-mas, thanksgiving, new years in a hotel.

But you will do this so you can breathe without pain.

we are living in a rented home for now and he is more understanding now that the

doctor has explained things.

We have the luxury of experimenting with what we can bring and not. My

experience has been that things like dishes, that are nonporous, can be washed

offsite somewhere and brought into the new location. Think laundromat or self

car wash. Had trouble with the dog despite thorough weekly baths. May shave off

most fur and try again, but no sure yet. Compauters with fans or keyboards with

gaps where dust has settled are not allowed. we went out and bought some cheap,

minimal furniture and clothes at wall-mart.So this is our life now, need to dump

our stuff from the old house and eventually sell and move on. Not easy. I am

now a completely different person. Minimalist, not very social due to allergens

carried in house. Hope to get better some day. Good luck with your tough

decisions --I make my husband go naked too, from the garage door right to the

shower! This is the only fun I have lately.

September 5, 2010

I'm sorry but I cannot believe that not once in those 8 years you did not come

upon another bad exposure. Really? Then you do not have MCS or mold sickness

because mold is everywhere as far as I can tell and chemicals, etc are all over.

Unless you are a very lucky man! That's possible too.

PS I'm still waiting for God to provide...

>

> I'll be blunt. The only way I got away from this with my wife, was to

completely destroy all our possessions and start over with nothing but our

wedding rings. 100%. no excuses.

>

> we did it four times keeping some things, and everytime, the mold and symptoms

came back and reestablished..

>

> if you really, reallly want to be free, leave it all behind.

>

> don't despair. It's just stuff. GOD will provide, and Angels will help.

>

> All computers must have data sent over internet to new servers and re download

into new computers. do NOT keep ANYTHING. you will just prolong the agaony

>

> get rid of any cars too. they will just immediately reinfect

>

September 5, 2010

Thank you for sharing this.

I have some questions if you dont mind..

Im curious how long it took for you to get well once you took the final escape

and if you did any detox? or antifungal treatment?

How contaiminated was your house and was your cat ill?

What symptoms did you have, continued to have, and how long before they went

away? Any decrease at all, any relief with each move?

Im getting some people need to go more extreme than others. I know someone who

is at about 90% in less than a year relocating, brought in things, reacted to

them and had to let them go.. still in same house.. not mold checked. He may

find he needs to take further steps in the future. Still somewhat reactive to

certain environments but ti seems leaving them is fine for him. Biggest issue is

gut health.

He also used csm, antifungals, rife, an antiviral, sauna, colon cleanses and

more. ??

We are moving, taking our dog and nothing else. I am washing my glasses until I

can get new ones (its time anyway) and washing credit cards, etc. wiping off

cell phone until I can replace. changing out cars as well.

I am monitoring shoemaker biotins pthway labs and re testing for infections

(lyme, babesia, viral, etc) and keeping up with methylation protocol as well as

KPU and my gut, candida (am I am going to try no grain and sugar best I can)..

thus far I know to address these things.

The receptionist at my DR office has a sister who had stachy in hr bathoom. She

didnt leave the house during remediation or after and it seems she is fine. My

husband has one of shoemakers dreaded genes and he is fine as far as we can

tell... what he and I both would call minor symptoms.. so far. My kids, chronic

candida and gut issues. Animals all fine. So.. what is the right path to take???

I dont know. I just know to get out of here as cleanly as we can and then if

that doesnt work try again. I dont know how people figure out if they are

extreme responders unless through trial and error.

We are lucky to have a place to go that will not be permanant and are purchasing

cheap furniture, clothes, thinking sparse but comfortable for my kids. I could

care less at this point.

If I am still not better when we decide where to relocate, we will not take

anything with us again and consider the dog.. but I think like barb said.. the

coat does change and we hope bating her often will help, but we shall see. Its

the cats that concern me and are staying here until we decide what to do with

house here and them. I think I am sensitive to their dander and honestly dont

still have a grasp on how to keep a cat clean.. you would think they would get

sick more than the dog since they lick themselves and dont get baths.

Robin

>

> I'll be blunt. The only way I got away from this with my wife, was to

completely destroy all our possessions and start over with nothing but our

wedding rings. 100%. no excuses.

>

> we did it four times keeping some things, and everytime, the mold and symptoms

came back and reestablished..

>

> if you really, reallly want to be free, leave it all behind.

>

> don't despair. It's just stuff. GOD will provide, and Angels will help.

>

> All computers must have data sent over internet to new servers and re download

into new computers. do NOT keep ANYTHING. you will just prolong the agaony

>

> get rid of any cars too. they will just immediately reinfect

>

> remediation is a joke, it's literallly, scientifically, IMPOSSIBLE.

>

> save yourself years of further torture. destroy everything. make NO EXCEPTIONS

find out where the nearest toxic materials dump is and

September 6, 2010

Gail, you last statement made me chuckle. hehe, finding a joyfull minute in

all of this is priceless.

>

> I feel your pain, I can relate. I had to leave my husband and move into a

hotel to test a change in environment. I had to visit several hotels first

because I became suddenly allergic to cats, pollen, dust mites,etc, so I found

one that did not allow pets, the windows did not open, the air conditioning was

inside,as opposed to hanging out the window. then I covered the bed with

plastic and bought new linens of my own. Got a book called My House is Kiling

Me. Spent a few days there recovering, felt so much better, Within a day of

returning home I felt that old searing pain return to all the mucus membranes in

my face, eyes. I knew aJt that point something drastic needed to be done to the

house or leave. We did the best we could to make it a place I could live, like

replacing carpets with hardwood, all curtains thrown out, totally painted, and

more. Then we discovered the big monster in the master shower - it was totally

molded behind the walls

> all the way up to the ceiling and into the attic. This mold had blown all

over everything we owned and loved, including our children,pets. At this point,

I knew I had to move out or I would die. I had surgery to remove lesions from

my sinus, I was losing tons of weight because I couldn & #39;t come out of my

bubble long enough to cook a meal. My husband would throw a carryout into my

clean room like a caged animal would live.

>

> At first, the husband was upset, because strangely he did not have my

symptoms. I packed a very small bag of clothing, a few personals, told him I

loved him but had to leave or I would die. I moved into my favorite hotel and

that is where I stayed for the next 5 months while the home continued to be

remediated. It was hard to tell him I would never be able to return, no matter

what the remediation. How lonely to spend x-mas, thanksgiving, new years in a

hotel. But you will do this so you can breathe without pain.

>

> we are living in a rented home for now and he is more understanding now that

the doctor has explained things.

> We have the luxury of experimenting with what we can bring and not. My