Re: candida discussion-milk

[Guest guest]

IMHO, moldies should not drink milk, period. Maybe some Kefir if they tolerate

it. My Dr Berkson says no milk by the glass for anyone, he says it is hard on

the liver. Drs I don't even know have stopped me in the Wall mart parking lot to

tell me not to drink milk or eat wheat, that they can cause immune issues. (I am

telling the truth!!!!!, I am a famous moldie in this town). As I have stated

before, Drs have told me milk will clog lymph. I find Coconut milk to be a good

substitute for all my needs.

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> I am posting this as informational : Weather or not we should as moldies

> consume this I do not know

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> http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/raw_milk_health_benefits.html

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> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

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> From: Danel <denise.danel@...>

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> Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 2:45:38 PM

> Subject: Re: [] Re: candida discussion

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> so we should eat , drink only raw dairy. raw cows milk?

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[Guest guest]

What about goat milk and goat yogurt? I have read that it is not so mucus

causing and easier to digest as it more closely resembles human milk. Also the

lactose intolerant can handle it apparently as it is low in lactose. I love

goat milk, yogurt and cheese.

ap

---In

carondeen wrote---



IMHO, moldies should not drink milk, period. Maybe some Kefir if they tolerate

it. My Dr Berkson says no milk by the glass for anyone, he says it is hard on

the liver. Drs I don't even know have stopped me in the Wall mart parking lot to

tell me not to drink milk or eat wheat, that they can cause immune issues. (I am

telling the truth!!!!!, I am a famous moldie in this town). As I have stated

before, Drs have told me milk will clog lymph. I find Coconut milk to be a good

substitute for all my needs.

[Guest guest]

at a friends insistence, I tried raw fresh from the goat milk, did the same

thing I associate with clogged lymph, great pain in the breasts.

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> What about goat milk and goat yogurt? I have read that it is not so mucus

causing and easier to digest as it more closely resembles human milk. Also the

lactose intolerant can handle it apparently as it is low in lactose. I love

goat milk, yogurt and cheese.

> ap

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[Guest guest]

What kind of milk have they told you to stay away from?? Raw milk, Organic

Milk, Regular Milk ??

That was too funny famous moldie LOL

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: carondeen <kdeanstudios@...>

Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 12:03:40 PM

Subject: [] Re: candida discussion-milk

IMHO, moldies should not drink milk, period. Maybe some Kefir if they tolerate

it. My Dr Berkson says no milk by the glass for anyone, he says it is hard on

the liver. Drs I don't even know have stopped me in the Wall mart parking lot to

tell me not to drink milk or eat wheat, that they can cause immune issues. (I am

telling the truth!!!!!, I am a famous moldie in this town). As I have stated

before, Drs have told me milk will clog lymph. I find Coconut milk to be a good

substitute for all my needs.

[Guest guest]

Goat milk, raw unhomogenized only, is more digestible. The way they homogenize

milk is to blast the fat molecures through tiny hols destroying the molecules

and making them undigestible. Heating kills any friendly bacteria which would

make it more digestible. If you let a quart of store bought milk and a quart of

raw milk on the counter in a couple days you would get spoiked milk and butter

milk. One is healthy one is not. In fact you can make " farmhouse " chees by

letting raw milk sit in a warm kitchen for a few days then draining it a

pressing it.

In the early 1900s doctors would prescribe a milk diet, milk only for weeks. A

friend did this and after three weeks her arthritis was healed.

I don't like milk that much!

Meredith

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> What about goat milk and goat yogurt? I have read that it is not so mucus

causing and easier to digest as it more closely resembles human milk. Also the

lactose intolerant can handle it apparently as it is low in lactose. I love

goat milk, yogurt and cheese.

> ap

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is interesting Meredith. Have you actually done this? Sometimes things

like this are printed but I wonder if they are true. I guess I could always try

this myself. If it is true, I would switch. Don't know about the lymph node

thing but I don't have a big appetite except for eggs and dairy for protein. If

anything if I thought it wasn't good for me, I would cut back but could not give

up entirely. Many times it is the only thing I can eat...mood affects my

appetite easily and I have no trouble digesting milk. From what I know you lose

the ability to digest milk if you stop drinking it for any length of time...its

like you have FINALLY been weened from it. Normally you would loose the ability

when you were a baby, so seems like it would make sense to stop but I'd need to

get protein then more from meat which I am totally turned off to now that I have

seen how animals for food are handled.

--- In , " fontanafool " <productionking04@...>

wrote:

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> Goat milk, raw unhomogenized only, is more digestible. The way they

homogenize milk is to blast the fat molecures through tiny hols destroying the

molecules and making them undigestible. Heating kills any friendly bacteria

which would make it more digestible. If you let a quart of store bought milk

and a quart of raw milk on the counter in a couple days you would get spoiked

milk and butter milk. One is healthy one is not. In fact you can make

" farmhouse " chees by letting raw milk sit in a warm kitchen for a few days then

draining it a pressing it.

> In the early 1900s doctors would prescribe a milk diet, milk only for weeks.

A friend did this and after three weeks her arthritis was healed.

> I don't like milk that much!

>

> Meredith

>

[Guest guest]

Incidentally, I just hate the taste of goat milk. Do you acquire a taaste for

it?

--- In , " fontanafool " <productionking04@...>

wrote:

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> Goat milk, raw unhomogenized only, is more digestible.

[Guest guest]

I don't know what happened to me with regard to liking goat milk. When I was a

kid I sure remember not liking it, and I thought when I first tried some about 4

years ago that it still wouldn't taste good only to be surprised that I thought

it was delicious! I don't know how to account for that. Now I like goat milk,

goat yogurt and goat cheese far and away better than that of cow.

ap

[Guest guest]

It is true that raw milk is not even the same as Organic Milk. Raw milk is way

better. The processing of milk destroys benefits.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: barb b w <barb1283@...>

Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 11:12:49 AM

Subject: [] Re: candida discussion-milk

This is interesting Meredith. Have you actually done this? Sometimes things

like this are printed but I wonder if they are true. I guess I could always try

this myself. If it is true, I would switch. Don't know about the lymph node

thing but I don't have a big appetite except for eggs and dairy for protein. If

anything if I thought it wasn't good for me, I would cut back but could not give

up entirely. Many times it is the only thing I can eat...mood affects my

appetite easily and I have no trouble digesting milk. From what I know you lose

the ability to digest milk if you stop drinking it for any length of time...its

like you have FINALLY been weened from it. Normally you would loose the ability

when you were a baby, so seems like it would make sense to stop but I'd need to

get protein then more from meat which I am totally turned off to now that I have

seen how animals for food are handled.

[Guest guest]

Know the source. I've never heard of anyone getting deathly ill from drinking

pasteurized milk. But many have gotten very sick and on rare occasion people

have died from salmonella or other infections from raw milk. Raw milk from

smaller farms is usually safer than from larger farms. Even in states that

inspect farms and allow sale of raw milk, illnesses and deaths happen because of

raw milk.

If you can cite legitimate studies that prove benefits of raw milk, I would

love to read them. Otherwise stick with pasteurized milk from organic dairies,

or at least from those that certify no bovine growth hormone and no preventive

antibiotics.

Re: candida discussion-milk

Posted by: " dragonflymcs " dragonflymcs@... dragonflymcs

Date: Wed Feb 2, 2011 5:11 pm ((PST))

It is true that raw milk is not even the same as Organic Milk. Raw milk is way

better. The processing of milk destroys benefits.

[Guest guest]

Holy Cow are you kidding ?? Of course you need to know your source of anything

you consume. Are you talking about the 18 th century before cleaning

and pasteurizing ?? Cause I know recently their was a GIANT egg recall due

to salmonella in BIG farm for millions and millions of eggs. Know your source.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: Gil Vice <gilvice@...>

sick buildings < >

Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 2:25:36 PM

Subject: [] Re: candida discussion-milk

Re: candida discussion-milk

Posted by: " dragonflymcs " dragonflymcs@... dragonflymcs

Date: Wed Feb 2, 2011 5:11 pm ((PST))

It is true that raw milk is not even the same as Organic Milk. Raw

[Guest guest]

Hate to say it but that is mostly government hogwash. Look at this powerpoint:

http://www.realmilk.com/documents/SheehanPowerPointResponse2009Oct.pdf

Homo/pasteurized milk came into being for the same reason as picking fruit bfore

it was ripe, or washing eggs in chlorine, or waxing apples, or etc etc etc. So

it can be shipped across country.

I have no one getting sick from my eggs, look at the egg recall.

Raw milk is illegal to keep small farmers from making money.

Period. It is all for the CAFO dairy who donate millions to government

elections.

Meredith

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> Know the source. I've never heard of anyone getting deathly ill from

drinking pasteurized milk. But many have gotten very sick and on rare occasion

people have died from salmonella or other infections from raw milk. Raw milk

from smaller farms is usually safer than from larger farms. Even in states that

inspect farms and allow sale of raw milk, illnesses and deaths happen because of

raw milk.

[Guest guest]

Mayleen,

As I read your posts, I see that you are saying that pasteurization is a good

thing, but that raw milk is way better than organic milk. You may not realize

you are contradicting yourself. Raw milk is not pasteurized. Pasteurization is

the heating procedure which kills salmonella and numerous other bacteria. There

are variations on pasteurization, all strictly regulated by USDA. Some heat the

milk in thin tubes to a high temperature. Because the tubes are narrow, the milk

can be cooled as quick as it was heated, preserving flavor. Some older, smaller

dairies cannot cool the milk so fast due to equipment limitations, somewhat

degrading the flavor, and maybe the nutritional value, though both are safe from

bacterial contamination. I would never recommend raw milk to any small children

or to people in less than the best of health, and even then only if they were

aware of the risks.

Gil

Re: candida discussion-milk

Posted by: " Gil Vice " gilvice@... gilvice

Date: Thu Feb 3, 2011 3:27 pm ((PST))

Know the source. I've never heard of anyone getting deathly ill from drinking

pasteurized milk. But many have gotten very sick and on rare occasion people

have died from salmonella or other infections from raw milk. Raw milk from

smaller farms is usually safer than from larger farms. Even in states that

inspect farms and allow sale of raw milk, illnesses and deaths happen because of

raw milk.

If you can cite legitimate studies that prove benefits of raw milk, I would love

to read them. Otherwise stick with pasteurized milk from organic dairies, or at

least from those that certify no bovine growth hormone and no preventive

antibiotics.

Re: candida discussion-milk

Posted by: " dragonflymcs " dragonflymcs@... dragonflymcs

Date: Wed Feb 2, 2011 5:11 pm ((PST))

It is true that raw milk is not even the same as Organic Milk. Raw milk is way

better. The processing of milk destroys benefits.

Re: candida discussion-milk

Posted by: " dragonflymcs " dragonflymcs@... dragonflymcs

Date: Thu Feb 3, 2011 6:17 pm ((PST))

Holy Cow are you kidding ?? Of course you need to know your source of anything

you consume. Are you talking about the 18 th century before cleaning

and pasteurizing ?? Cause I know recently their was a GIANT egg recall due

to salmonella in BIG farm for millions and millions of eggs. Know your source.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

[Guest guest]

Maybe cause I am ill and was annoyed but I have sent you the info OK. Best to

you I do mean Raw Organic Milk is better than Organic Processed Milk . Thanks

for catching it now I can clarify. I grew up on a family farm, most all came

from the earth and the animals. I got sick when I started consuming processed

foods in US. When I stopped the processed foods that particular very painful

condition that completely disrupted my life for years (15) magically went away.

Next time I will wait for my annoying to go away LOL

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The ideal raw milk is taken straight from animals fed only fresh, organic,

green grass, rapidly cooled to somewhere around 36-38 degrees F., and bottled.

That's it. No processing, just filtration, and cooling. Most milk produced today

undergoes some form of processing before it reaches the consumer.

I grew up on a family farm most everything came from the land, including raw

cow mild I never got sick. Goat milk too. You just have to know where you are

getting your milk from.

Raw milk from cows fed a large component of grain is just not as optimal a food

as grass-fed and lacks many of milk's self-protective properties. Milk like

this, potentially more easily contaminated, should be tested regularly, as

should all raw milk, for that matter.

Sick Milk

Some raw milk can make you very, very ill. Drinking milk destined for the

pasteurizer before it's sterilized can be like playing Russian roulette, but

with ALL the barrels loaded. Why? Mainly because cleanliness standards are far

lower for milk which will eventually be heat treated.

Supercows, bred for hyperactive pituitary glands or injected with stimulant

hormones (such as Posilac) produce an elevated quantity (as high as 13 gallons)

of milk daily, leading to inflamed teats. This condition, known as mastitis,

pumps high numbers of white blood cells, or pus, into the milk (9).

Supercows don't live nearly as long as naturally bred animals- perhaps they're

lucky in that respect...

Add the potential of toxic drug residues, antibiotics, larvicides (10),

pesticides (11,12), fertilizers and heavy metals (13) and you have quite a

witches brew. Many of the outbreaks of food related illnesses blamed on raw milk

can be traced to just such product somehow bypassing the pasteurization process.

http://dairy.ifas.ufl.edu/rns/2007/Beauchemin.pdf

http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/what_is_in_raw_milk.html

There is a lot of variation due to the many factors that go into its formation.

What the cow is fed, how and where it's raised, how the milk is collected all

play important roles in its safety and quality. Cows pastured on organic green

grass produce milk with amazing health benefits.

This is where you know your source

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen