Investigation PROCESS [was: Re: AirCleanerUpdate]

[Guest guest]

I strongly suggest we stick to WDB for water damaged buildings. This

encompasses all that is present in WDB. I have been involved in Sick Buildings

since approximately 1984. The acronym SBS was coined in the early days.

However, we did not recognize in the early years the role that moisture and

microbes (fungi and bacteria) played in SBS. We do today. I remember being a

consulting expert to the employees at the EPA headquarters in DC in 1988. Over

120 employees were so ill that they were allowed to work at home. The building

was a mess. We did not look for the microbes during the early inspections.

Several years later I spoke with some of the employees allowed to work at home.

At the time of the conversation we had learned sufficient information on

moisture and microbes. The employees answered my questions with respect to

moisture and microbes present in 1988. They all said yes!!!!!! We learn and

must change and use the names that fit the contamination. Interestingly, the

then director of the EPA admitted that SBS existed, but it was not present at

the EPA headquarters.

In a message dated 1/28/2011 11:36:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

apami@... writes:

How about SBB - Sick building biocontaminants or biotoxins (is biotoxins a

word?).

---From: osisposis

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filth is another word, but it might tend to make new comers think dirt.

maybe sick building contaminants? SBC, I dont know. it just needs to be short

or abreveated , something simple and something that well catch on.

[Guest guest]

Jack is right on, in my opinion.

Otherwise, we can create our own language and vocabulary and

we will all know what we are talking about and understand what

we mean.

But if we take that private language to those outside of this group

they won't know what we are talking about and rightly criticize us

for not being aware of anything beyond ourselves. (Ironically, that

is their error also).

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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I strongly suggest we stick to WDB for water damaged buildings. This

encompasses all that is present in WDB. I have been involved in Sick

Buildings since approximately 1984. The acronym SBS was coined in the

early days. However, we did not recognize in the early years the role that

moisture and microbes (fungi and bacteria) played in SBS. We do today.

I remember being a consulting expert to the employees at the EPA

headquarters in DC in 1988. Over 120 employees were so ill that they

were allowed to work at home. The building was a mess. We did not look

for the microbes during the early inspections. Several years later I spoke

with some of the employees allowed to work at home. At the time of the

conversation we had learned sufficient information on moisture and

microbes. The employees answered my questions with respect to

moisture and microbes present in 1988. They all said yes!!!!!! We learn

and must change and use the names that fit the contamination.

Interestingly, the then director of the EPA admitted that SBS existed, but

it was not present at the EPA headquarters.

In a message dated 1/28/2011 11:36:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

apami@... writes:

How about SBB - Sick building biocontaminants or biotoxins (is

biotoxins a

word?).

---From: osisposis

_ _

(mailto: )



filth is another word, but it might tend to make new comers think dirt.

maybe sick building contaminants? SBC, I dont know. it just needs to be

short

or abreveated , something simple and something that well catch on.

[Guest guest]

I think we make a statement on group home page and in group intro sheet to new

members that in water damaged buildings includes all the things it includes,

along w link to info on that, and state that many people will use the word

'mold', it is not limited to that because we can talk about this until the end

of time but people are just not going to use letter abreviations instead of the

word mold bec we type too much and it takes more time, put cap lock on and then

half the time the letters are not in the right order, WBD or if they are,

inevitably people will ask what does that mean, which is more work, EVEN people

who know that other things other than mold are present in WDB. Cant get people

to trim their posts here and that entails: 1.) remembering to do it, and 2.)

take the two seconds it takes to do it. Besides it doesn't fit in many ways,

i.e. testing for 'mold', i.e. testing for WDB doesn't work, testing for 'mold,

etc' does. I think most people here know that mold isn't the whole story but is

an indicator that there are unhealthy conditions in building. In a way it

doesn't matter what you test for, if the thing is something that can only be

present in water damaged building, like mold, you know you have a problem and

that it has to be found and taken care of. The only thing that it is an issue

is in lawsuit or connecting bldg health to persons health, then it becomes an

issue in identifying what is present but that can be discussed on an individual

basis. With the experts its different bec something you say could be restated

w your name on it, but a member who knows there are other pathogens always

present it's just an abreviation really.

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> Jack is right on, in my opinion.

>

> Otherwise, we can create our own language and vocabulary and

> we will all know what we are talking about and understand what

> we mean.

>