Re: ozone therapy Reply to Mr Grimes (Ozone is a pollutant)

February 5, 2010

From: " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...>

Date: Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:29 pm

Subject: Re: []^ Ozone educational web sites

This is my last comment on this ozone discussion: Ozone is not

enriched oxygen. Ozone is a pollutant. The two have different

properties.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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From: " Jim H. White " <systemsa@...>

Date: Sat Jun 25, 2005 1:20 pm

Subject: Re: [iequality] IAQ in central ac systems systemsa@...

iequality/message/3299

Ozone generators and/or ozone should never be used in occupied spaces as it

does lung damage even at low concentrations. Any employee satisfaction can

be due to damage smell sensors in the nasal passages, not in a real

improvement. See Health Canada

(http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hecs-sesc/cps/publications/ozone.htm

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hecs-sesc/cps/publications/ozone_qa.htm) and the US

EPA (http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html

http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/airclean.html) sites for reasons why you should

not use ozone indoors.

Jim H. White SSAL

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From: Jeff May <Jeff@...>

Date: Thu Oct 7, 2004 10:31 pm

Subject: Re: Ozone for killing mold

1. Common indoor molds (Penicillium, Aspergillus, Cladosporium, etc.)

are NOT wood-destroying organisms (many cannot even digest cellulose),

so they do not consume wood in our houses. Even Stachybotrys, which can

be cellulolytic, does not destroy wood; these molds are called

microfungi. Brown rots and white rots (mushroom-forming fungi or

macrofungi) destroy wood, digesting either cellulose, lignin or both..

Though there are outdoor (and indoor) spores in the air, mold is not all

around us and in every room (unless in a very problem environment).

4. As Jim Holland noted in a previous e-mail, FDA-approved ozone

generators do NOT inhibit the growth of fungi or even kill spores. On

the other hand, many ozone generators create concentrations of ozone

above the FDA limit of .05 ppm. (Anyone with an ionizer or ozone

generator concerned about ozone concentrations can purchase a two-test

kit from IQAir for about $8.)

5. Filtration is the most effective means to remove aerosolized

particulates.

6. Air purifiers may remove spores from the air, but they do NOT control

mold. As you noted, the only way to control mold growth is to control

relative humidity and water. It is foolish to spend money on any type of

air purifier without eliminating the obvious sources of spores first.

Jeff May

Author, " The Mold Survival Guide "

s Hopkins University Press

>1. Our focus should first be protecting ourselves from the effects of

mold spores... and secondly protecting out home from mold... We must

remember that mold to grow must consume cellulose thus mold in a home is

slowly consuming the wood from which the house was built.. Mold is all

around us and in every room... What affects us is a high concentration

of mold spores; at a certain level we become affected... Good

ventilation and controlled humidity

are important... A sealed building invites mold development.

>4. Ozone generators can inhibit growth of fungi/mold.. The mustiness

of a mildewed room can be controlled/eliminated by ozone generators..

>5. Ion generators electrify the air and make it difficult for mold

spores to float thus making it somewhat difficult for the eyes and nose

to be troubled by the " spore dust " ..

>6. Some air purifiers work and work well at controlling mold but many

do not.... I'd only buy one with a satisfaction guarantee where you get

your money back within 20 days if it doesn't work to your

satisfaction...

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From: RLLIPSEY87@...

Date: Wed May 28, 2003 8:53 am

Subject: Re: [] Digest Number 1636

Ozone is a toxic chemical whether it is produced naturally in a thunderstorm

or

produced by ozonators or " air purifiers " (or sold by any other name) .

Ozone is an OSHA regulated toxic chemical which is 500 times more toxic than

carbon monoxide (CO) that kills hundreds of people each year. The federal air

standard for ozone is only 0.1 ppm while it is 50 ppm for CO. Ozone attacks

mucous membranes, ie the lungs, and causes chronic respiratory disease.

NIOSH has published that ozone is not very effective in killing mold or

bacteria. Ozone is not " controversial " . It is toxic and dangerous and not

effective in controlling mold or bacteria and should never be used in a room

with people present, even to remove odors ie smoke damage odors.

Dr. L. Lipsey

Professor and Toxicologist

University of North Florida,

---OSHA HazMat Cert.

U. of Florida Med. Ctr, Jax

Poison Control Center Board

CV--Toxicology And Environmental Health Assoc

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From: RLLIPSEY87@...

Date: Tue Sep 6, 2005 8:42 am

Subject: Re: [] Digest Number 2563 RLLIPSEY87@...

All the talk about Ozone machines on this site concern me.

OZONE is relatively ineffective against mold but very effective against

odors according to NIOSH, US Public Health Service. They may be called Ionizing

machines or even air cleaners or 100 different names as dealers are trying to

hide the fact that they are nothing by ozone generators. NEVER allow these

machines to be used with people present in offices or homes. You never know

just how much ozone they are actually emitting. I have served as an expert

witness where these companies were sued.

OZONE is also 500 times more toxic than carbon monoxide gas and 100 times

more toxic than hydrogen cyanide gas used in Nazi concentration camps (NIOSH

Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards, 1997 comparing OSHA PEL's )..............so

why use these machines in homes?

Ultrasound bug killers are in the same class, or lack of class, in that

mosquitos do NOT hear ultrasound, nor do cockroaches, so why should ultrasound

machines drive them away. I put on a debate at the national meeting of the

Entomological Society of America many years ago in Detroit with EPA officers

present to hear first hand that those machines are absolutely

useless...........and the EPA officers commented that they cannot protect the

public from

harmless and useless devices and " let the buyer beware " .

Dr. L. Lipsey ( 904 ) 398-2168

Toxicologist and Instructor

University of North Florida, HazMat/OSHA

Univ. Fla. Medical Center Jax, Poison Control Board

Fla. Comm. College Jax, Institute of Occ. Safety & Health

www.richardlipsey.com

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Professor Shaughnessy, University of Tulsa

Docent Aino Nevalainen, KTL

Ulla Haverinen-Shaughnessy, PhD

-shaughnessy@...

Shaughnessy is program manager for the Indoor Air Pollution Research

Center at the University of Tulsa. He oversees IAQ training efforts for the U.S.

Environmental Protection Agency and serves as a consultant to the Consumer

Product Safety Commission on its review of ozone-generating air cleaners

International Society of Indoor Air Quality and Climate (ISIAQ)

Secretary, Shaughnessy

J. Shaughnessy, Ph.D., received his Ph.D. in Chemical Engineering from

the University of Tulsa. He has served as Program Director of IAQ Research at

the University of Tulsa since 1987. He has taught and conducted research abroad

in locations including Singapore, China, Australia, Philippines, and South

Africa. He has published extensively on indoor air with respect to his research

and studies. Dr. Shaughnessy has worked on U.S.EPA grant projects since 1990

encompassing issues such as training development, course delivery and outreach,

schools investigations, and implementation of the Tools for Schools Program. His

interests are primarily in particulate research, air cleaner evaluation, indoor

chemistry, school studies, flooring studies, asthma/housing research, and

studies related to resolution and remediation of bioaerosol-related problems. He

served on the ACGIH Bioaerosols Committee from 1996 through December, 2003 and

contributed to the writing of the 1999 ACGIH " Bioaerosols Assessment and

Control " Document. He is the primary author of two chapters of the book

pertaining to prevention and control, and remediation. He was a primary task

force member and moderator for the recent 2003 ACGIH-sponsored Symposium on Mold

Remediation. He assisted in the development of IICRC's S-520 document on mold

remediation, serving on the Standards Committee and the S-520 Editing Committee.

He was appointed in September, 2003 to the Oklahoma legislative task force on

mold, and is currently developing recommendations to the legislature on

mold-related legislation. He has recently been invited (December, 2003) by the

American Society of Microbiology (Washington, DC) to participate, with a select

group of 6 coauthors, in developing an informational brochure on addressing mold

in the indoor environment, for the purpose of formulating reasonable legislation

in the U.S. Congress. He has recently been appointed (Jan, 2004) by AIHA to the

Management/Editorial Committee overseeing the development of extensive new

guidance related to best practices in addressing the evaluation, assessment and

remediation of mold in the indoor environment. He is also assisting the NYC DOH

on new guidance that is being promulgated (January, 2004) related to worker

protection in mold remediation situations. He has recently been appointed

(December, 2003) for a three year term to the Board of Directors for the

International Society on Indoor Air Quality (ISIAQ).

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Subject: Aerotech Laboratories, IAQ Tech Tip #62: Ozone Generators and IAQ

Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:47:29 -0700

Ozone Generators and IAQ

With the considerable recent media attention focused on the issues of indoor air

quality, microbial contaminants in particular, ozone is once again being touted

as a remedy for all manner of indoor air quality concerns. Marketing literature

from distributors of ozone generators boast claims of eliminating microbial

contaminants through the use of ozone. One website claims " Ozone helps kill mold

and mold odors with large ozone dose shock treatments " and " Ozone may be the

only way to save your home from deadly mold " . The propaganda goes as far as

claiming that ozone destroys mold leaving only oxygen, hydrogen and carbon

dioxide. These are the kind of unsubstantiated claims that led to a $1.49

million civil penalty against Alpine Industries in April of 2001 and a Court

Order to cease making health claims for its ozone generators. A recent study has

demonstrated that gas phase ozone is ineffective in reducing the viability of

Penicillium spores on building materials at levels as high as 9 parts per

million (ppm), levels that are much higher than those attainable under field

conditions (Appl.Occup.Environ.Hyg. 12(8), August 1997). Recent studies have

also implicated a synergistic effect between fungal spores and ozone and

increased symptoms of asthma in asthma patients using an inhaler on an as-needed

basis (Am.J.Respir.Crit.Care.Med. 154(3 Pt 1):633-41, Sept. 1996).

The U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) limits ozone

exposure in industrial settings to 0.1 ppm over an eight hour day, six days per

week. The Food and Drug Administration has set a limit of 0.05 ppm for the ozone

generated from electronic air cleaners used as medical devices. The

Environmental Protection Agency has stated:

Available evidence shows that, at concentrations that do not exceed public

health standards, ozone is generally ineffective in controlling indoor air

pollution. The concentration of ozone would have to greatly exceed health

standards to be effective in removing most indoor air contaminants

To read the entire EPA article please visit " Ozone Generators that are Sold as

Air Cleaners "

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" Jim H. White " <systemsa@...>

fourbrownpaws

Re: [iequality] Ionizing air cleaners

Smogwatcher

Almost all of these are just ozone machines renamed. ozone kills lung tissue and

makes asthma worse.

Why are you considering one of these nefarious machine?

See the California publications on ozone machines in occupied dwellings. In

Canada, Health Canada also strongly recommends against them. The US EPA is

against them, but not quite as vehemently.

Jim H. White System Science Consulting

[iequality] Ionizing air cleaners

Does anyone know of research into effects of ion generating air

cleaning devices on respiratory health / asthma?

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February 5, 2010

I think we can all agree no one should ever breath Ozone. It is a pollutant in

that respect ofcourse. The Olympic pool for the 2008 Beijing Olympics (state of

the art) was cleaned and sanitized by one thing, it was Ozone. Not one drop of

Chlorine was used. Countless cities across the globe (not is usa i dont think)

are now using Ozone gas for purifying public water sources deemed safe for human

consumption. If you pick up some purified water bottles at your local grocery

store you will see the terms " filtered by ozonation " , some not all ofcourse. No

one should ever breath in Ozone, In my opinion it can kill you. But its obvious

some uses of Ozone can benefit society when done and used by professionals. IMHO

Elias

From: KC <tigerpaw2c@...>

Subject: [] Re: ozone therapy Reply to Mr Grimes (Ozone is a

pollutant)

Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:29 PM

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From: " Carl E. Grimes " <grimeshabitats (DOT) com>

Date: Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:29 pm

Subject: Re: [] ^ Ozone educational web sites

This is my last comment on this ozone discussion: Ozone is not

enriched oxygen. Ozone is a pollutant. The two have different

properties.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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From: " Jim H. White " <systemsa@.. .>

Date: Sat Jun 25, 2005 1:20 pm

Subject: Re: [iequality] IAQ in central ac systems systemsa@...

http://health. groups.. com/group/ iequality/ message/3299

Ozone generators and/or ozone should never be used in occupied spaces as it

does lung damage even at low concentrations. Any employee satisfaction can

be due to damage smell sensors in the nasal passages, not in a real

improvement. See Health Canada

(http://www.hc- sc.gc.ca/ hecs-sesc/ cps/publications /ozone.htm

http://www.hc- sc.gc.ca/ hecs-sesc/ cps/publications /ozone_qa. htm) and the US

EPA (http://www.epa. gov/iaq/pubs/ ozonegen. html

http://www.epa. gov/iaq/pubs/ airclean. html) sites for reasons why you should

not use ozone indoors.

Jim H. White SSAL

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From: Jeff May <Jeff@...>

Date: Thu Oct 7, 2004 10:31 pm

Subject: Re: Ozone for killing mold

1. Common indoor molds (Penicillium, Aspergillus, Cladosporium, etc.)

are NOT wood-destroying organisms (many cannot even digest cellulose),

so they do not consume wood in our houses. Even Stachybotrys, which can

be cellulolytic, does not destroy wood; these molds are called

microfungi. Brown rots and white rots (mushroom-forming fungi or

macrofungi) destroy wood, digesting either cellulose, lignin or both..

Though there are outdoor (and indoor) spores in the air, mold is not all

around us and in every room (unless in a very problem environment) .

4. As Jim Holland noted in a previous e-mail, FDA-approved ozone

generators do NOT inhibit the growth of fungi or even kill spores. On

the other hand, many ozone generators create concentrations of ozone

above the FDA limit of .05 ppm. (Anyone with an ionizer or ozone

generator concerned about ozone concentrations can purchase a two-test

kit from IQAir for about $8.)

5. Filtration is the most effective means to remove aerosolized

particulates.

6. Air purifiers may remove spores from the air, but they do NOT control

mold. As you noted, the only way to control mold growth is to control

relative humidity and water. It is foolish to spend money on any type of

air purifier without eliminating the obvious sources of spores first.

Jeff May

Author, " The Mold Survival Guide "

s Hopkins University Press

>1. Our focus should first be protecting ourselves from the effects of

mold spores... and secondly protecting out home from mold... We must

remember that mold to grow must consume cellulose thus mold in a home is

slowly consuming the wood from which the house was built.. Mold is all

around us and in every room... What affects us is a high concentration

of mold spores; at a certain level we become affected... Good

ventilation and controlled humidity

are important... A sealed building invites mold development.

>4. Ozone generators can inhibit growth of fungi/mold.. The mustiness

of a mildewed room can be controlled/eliminat ed by ozone generators..

>5. Ion generators electrify the air and make it difficult for mold

spores to float thus making it somewhat difficult for the eyes and nose

to be troubled by the " spore dust " ..

>6. Some air purifiers work and work well at controlling mold but many

do not.... I'd only buy one with a satisfaction guarantee where you get

your money back within 20 days if it doesn't work to your

satisfaction. ..

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From: RLLIPSEY87AOL (DOT) COM

Date: Wed May 28, 2003 8:53 am

Subject: Re: [] Digest Number 1636

Ozone is a toxic chemical whether it is produced naturally in a thunderstorm or