Leaving

[Guest guest]

cyndy,

best of luck to you and your family--i'll put in a prayer for you.

brigit

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/21/01 12:55:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sresley1980@... writes:

after a terrible night of not feeling well and a big incident with a member of this list (taking place on another list) I amm unsubscribing. I dont want

or need a problemm of fighting with anyone, and afterr seeing howw that lisst turnned against me aftter tryinng to bee nice, I dont want to stay around long enough for that to happeen again. I am surre you will heaar about this problem from the other person, butt pleasee remember there are alwayss two sides to everythinng. I trieed to heelp and peoplee are attackingg me for thatt. Noww I feell likee I am in the same situation ass thiss person and donnt much want to go on anymoore. The internnet is a place where people can comme together from everywhere and noot have to be judged and just forrm a cyberfamily. I triedd to do that only to be spat on. so much forr trying to be a kind person. I am donne

to all of you suffering through your various problemss. hold strong, forr tomorrow is a new day. I will prayy for all of you.

Hold on there , don't give the other person the satisfaction of quitting, then THEY WIN we llike your posts Anne

[Guest guest]

Dear & Co,

I'm well aware of what happened but can I show you both a couple of things...

1. Someone had a bad day, and reached out for help.

2. Someone reached back to help, from love, and took things a little far only cause they wanted to help - nothing more.

3. Cause both were very emotional at the time things were blown out of proportion.

I ask you this..... Does this not happen all the time in a family?

There are going to be times when we try too hard, say the wrong thing, push someone's buttons, shove both feet in our mouth, basically fuck up. Best intentions, via a joke, trying to help, asking for help - whatever! Its human. We all do it. (Except me of course because I'm beyond fitting in any more shoes!! And remember I love boots!!! LOL)

So please, be at peace and know that yes, you both had a bad day. It happens, even to the best of us, but as a family we are all here to support BOTH of you through anything.

Life is too short to be lived with any anger so let it go and be at peace.

If either of you need to or want to, drop me an email privately ok?

Much love,

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[Guest guest]

Please don't go Nerys.....

> Hi everyone

> I have been on this list since it started but I have decided to

leave. This group used to be supportive, non-judgmental, and everyone

cared about everyone else. I am not happy with the way things are now

and so think it is best for me to leave.

> I wish you all the best and hope you can be happy and without pain.

> Take care and long live chockie

> Lots of love

> Nerys

> nerick@w...

[Guest guest]

> Due to the way people had treated each other and the fact that I

have other issues I am leaving this list. I came here to get help and

lean about my disease so that I could learn to handle it. Lately I can

not do that.

> Sheryl

Sheryl, PLEASE, please, please don't leave the list! Because I let

other people's ugliness get to me and was involved in what happened

yesterday, I should be the one to leave....NOT YOU!!!! If you leave,

then the whole darn thing will be for nothing......the point being we

all need to treat each other with respect and I think you will see

that happening from this point forward. Please don't go........I have

so much respect for all you've overcome and really benefit from your

insight on many topics. Would ya at least sleep on it before you make

your decision?

Email me privately if you would like,

NurseDeb

[Guest guest]

Dear and Colleagues at Senate,

I shall be leaving HV teaching at the end of the month and just wanted

to say how much I have enjoyed the interesting and informative debates

that the forum has provided (even though I have not been a very active

member !).

I still care passionately about Health Visiting and feel cautiously

optimistic for the future when I read of all the very positive work that

Senate members are achieving. Although now retiring from Nescot I don't

intend to give up on Health Visiting just yet and hope in the coming

months to get some 'hands on' experience again.

I have always felt, and still do feel, very privileged to be part of

this profession where I have met some interesting clients and students

and, have also made some very dear friends along the way. So keep up the

good work and thank you.

Re: serious stuff indeed

Was interested in your analysis Xena - by the way how are you?

After you had originally written and responded, I had put the

e.mail aside to comment back as I wanted to say yes I agree about the

education whole heartedly and get more evidence about that by the day

but also that there was more to it than that.

's suggest that it has been over the last eight years since things

have started not to be so right and particularly surface. I am sure the

timing is right and I think up until then there had been enough legacy

around from the past and an active enough professional organisations to

try to address issues and to show the world that they were trying. But

it is from 1996 or so that we began to see the idea - health visiting is

nursing - and we are all the same and this push at national level to

make HVs nurses and that is where I think your confusion comments about

the role really fit Xena. Not that we were not confused before - that

has always been a debate in health visiting - but I think as health

visitors we felt allowed and were enabled to talk about it then but it

has felt over recent years that if you raised such issues you would be

black listed as perhaps some of us have at times.

I know we as health visitors - and that is not just the grey haired ones

like me - but all HVs both in practice and not - need to debate how we

see the role happening and use the policy that is around to our

advantage. We need to be quite selfish at present I think and from the

ground debate health visiting, what it is where it is going, how we

embrace the role of school nurses as an integral and equal part of

health visiting and so on.

This I think needs to be national and it should be nationally led and

enable just like Patient Choice and of course we need to include the

clients views- not someone telling us what we should think. And when we

have done this again we need to be enabled - and not forced down a line

or told what to do - to make it happen in practice and have proper

leadership and all that.

As a side point I did a conference on HV about two weeks ago - a week

before the CPHVA conference and a third repeat - and got 40 people eager

to debate the role and where we were going - it is so necessary.

Another thing that has interested me on Senate this week is the

reference to mental health. All the research evidence, the stats etc

would point to this being something HV and Sn will come across

constantly because of its prevalence and we need to have the skills to

deal with it and this may be population skills but certainly it will be

one to one skills and good interpersonal skills and I ask myself

frequently what happened to those in health visiting and indeed in

nursing.

I could go on but like you will finish with a comment on the role and

where it is going - I thibk we are going to have to have two parts to

the role and for students I thibk we are going to need to make sure that

on qualification they do a bit of both. the children's NSF and I hope

the forthcoming public health white paper will help us to do this -

certainly this is something I

am beginning to suggest to people when I work with them. If we can be

clear as Hv about what we need to to do then we can direct this in

organisations - so often at present decisions about role and function

are being made by others with not understanding of clinical need,

history and so on.

Take care

Margaret

serious stuff indeed

>

>

> , wow, well doesn't that highlight all that is so confusing and

> wrong about health visiting at present. The fact is, we are so

> confused about our own roles, that how can we really defend complaints

> about us. Half of us are trying to move forward to address the wider

> determinants of health, as long-term solutions, in partnership with

> other organisations and agencies, just as we are meant to be doing,

> and half are continuing with the close one-to-one client contact that

> is so valued for the short term. My own job/role is completely

> reflective of this. I am literally half and half. I have a small

> (but very intense/high need) caseload to work on as a health visitor,

> but half my role and remit is to do exactly as I said, tackling the

> long-term issues to improve health and reduce health inequalities,

> which, of course, is impossible for a lone organisation and forces the

> partnership working. That is a whole different story.

> Meanwhile, our standards in health visiting are so variable. I am

> staggered to hear of so many complaints against health visitors.

> Where are we going so wrong in people's eyes? In practice, I do

> wonder if many colleagues really explain to clients what our role is

> and what they can expect from us. that is pretty fundamental, as

> disappointment and misunderstanding often results in complaints. I

> always ask people when they move into my caseload if they understand

> what health visitors do/if anyone explained our role to them before,

> and invariably they say no-one explained the role properly and are

> relieved to know exactly what we are about. If we are to continue to

> work directly with the public on a one-to-one basis, we clearly cannot

> afford to lose any of our skills. Yet you say training is already

> causing that to happen. Individual clients don't give a toss about

> our skills in community development and partnership working.

> they only care that we are offering appropriate and effective (and,

> more importantly delivered in a way that works for them)

> help/information.

>

> You also raise the issue about breastfeeding. This is such an old hot

> potato. We HVs always see that women battle to breast feed to keep

> the midwife happy and are relieved when they no longer visit so they

> can stop. Yet midwives see us as people that cause the stoppage. It

> is a 50/50 problem. Just as many women don't get the help they need

> in hospital and the first few days as that don't get good support from

> health visitors. It is an ongoing blame culture, which again, is not

> what collaborative working is about. I have always spoken out for us

> to sell ourselves and the work we do more effectively. We are very

> bad at that, yet expect people not only to

> to know what we do, but respect it. I think our target group has to

> be midwives. How often do we offer to take them out for a day to see

> what we do? So this is what happens when they don't understand us.

> We are clearly not valued by them as a profession.

>

> To sum up, this really highlights that we have to really come to a

> decision about where we are going as a profession. There are two

> schools of thought about public health. I know Senate is very pro

> that role and community development etc. etc. but the reality in

> practice is that it is clearly not what existing clients want. We

> either branch into two different professions or try and bring the two

> together more effectively.

> Meanwhile, until we sort our own house out, it is going to be

> difficult defending our corner. We have to respond though.

> Anyway, that is just my first thoughts!!

> Take care , I hope you are well and not doing too much!!!

> Xena

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Best wishes in your new role. Ann

>From: " , " <cphillips@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: RE: Leaving

>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:08:34 +0100

>

>Dear and Colleagues at Senate,

>I shall be leaving HV teaching at the end of the month and just wanted

>to say how much I have enjoyed the interesting and informative debates

>that the forum has provided (even though I have not been a very active

>member !).

>I still care passionately about Health Visiting and feel cautiously

>optimistic for the future when I read of all the very positive work that

>Senate members are achieving. Although now retiring from Nescot I don't

>intend to give up on Health Visiting just yet and hope in the coming

>months to get some 'hands on' experience again.

>I have always felt, and still do feel, very privileged to be part of

>this profession where I have met some interesting clients and students

>and, have also made some very dear friends along the way. So keep up the

>good work and thank you.

>

> Re: serious stuff indeed

>

>

>Was interested in your analysis Xena - by the way how are you?

>

>After you had originally written and responded, I had put the

>e.mail aside to comment back as I wanted to say yes I agree about the

>education whole heartedly and get more evidence about that by the day

>but also that there was more to it than that.

>

>'s suggest that it has been over the last eight years since things

>have started not to be so right and particularly surface. I am sure the

>timing is right and I think up until then there had been enough legacy

>around from the past and an active enough professional organisations to

>try to address issues and to show the world that they were trying. But

>it is from 1996 or so that we began to see the idea - health visiting is

>nursing - and we are all the same and this push at national level to

>make HVs nurses and that is where I think your confusion comments about

>the role really fit Xena. Not that we were not confused before - that

>has always been a debate in health visiting - but I think as health

>visitors we felt allowed and were enabled to talk about it then but it

>has felt over recent years that if you raised such issues you would be

>black listed as perhaps some of us have at times.

>

>I know we as health visitors - and that is not just the grey haired ones

>like me - but all HVs both in practice and not - need to debate how we

>see the role happening and use the policy that is around to our

>advantage. We need to be quite selfish at present I think and from the

>ground debate health visiting, what it is where it is going, how we

>embrace the role of school nurses as an integral and equal part of

>health visiting and so on.

>This I think needs to be national and it should be nationally led and

>enable just like Patient Choice and of course we need to include the

>clients views- not someone telling us what we should think. And when we

>have done this again we need to be enabled - and not forced down a line

>or told what to do - to make it happen in practice and have proper

>leadership and all that.

>As a side point I did a conference on HV about two weeks ago - a week

>before the CPHVA conference and a third repeat - and got 40 people eager

>to debate the role and where we were going - it is so necessary.

>

>Another thing that has interested me on Senate this week is the

>reference to mental health. All the research evidence, the stats etc

>would point to this being something HV and Sn will come across

>constantly because of its prevalence and we need to have the skills to

>deal with it and this may be population skills but certainly it will be

>one to one skills and good interpersonal skills and I ask myself

>frequently what happened to those in health visiting and indeed in

>nursing.

>

>I could go on but like you will finish with a comment on the role and

>where it is going - I thibk we are going to have to have two parts to

>the role and for students I thibk we are going to need to make sure that

>on qualification they do a bit of both. the children's NSF and I hope

>the forthcoming public health white paper will help us to do this -

>certainly this is something I

>am beginning to suggest to people when I work with them. If we can be

>clear as Hv about what we need to to do then we can direct this in

>organisations - so often at present decisions about role and function

>are being made by others with not understanding of clinical need,

>history and so on.

>

>Take care

>

>Margaret

>

>

> serious stuff indeed

>

>

> >

> >

> > , wow, well doesn't that highlight all that is so confusing and

> > wrong about health visiting at present. The fact is, we are so

> > confused about our own roles, that how can we really defend complaints

>

> > about us. Half of us are trying to move forward to address the wider

> > determinants of health, as long-term solutions, in partnership with

> > other organisations and agencies, just as we are meant to be doing,

> > and half are continuing with the close one-to-one client contact that

> > is so valued for the short term. My own job/role is completely

> > reflective of this. I am literally half and half. I have a small

> > (but very intense/high need) caseload to work on as a health visitor,

> > but half my role and remit is to do exactly as I said, tackling the

> > long-term issues to improve health and reduce health inequalities,

> > which, of course, is impossible for a lone organisation and forces the

>

> > partnership working. That is a whole different story.

> > Meanwhile, our standards in health visiting are so variable. I am

> > staggered to hear of so many complaints against health visitors.

> > Where are we going so wrong in people's eyes? In practice, I do

> > wonder if many colleagues really explain to clients what our role is

> > and what they can expect from us. that is pretty fundamental, as

> > disappointment and misunderstanding often results in complaints. I

> > always ask people when they move into my caseload if they understand

> > what health visitors do/if anyone explained our role to them before,

> > and invariably they say no-one explained the role properly and are

> > relieved to know exactly what we are about. If we are to continue to

> > work directly with the public on a one-to-one basis, we clearly cannot

>

> > afford to lose any of our skills. Yet you say training is already

> > causing that to happen. Individual clients don't give a toss about

> > our skills in community development and partnership working.

> > they only care that we are offering appropriate and effective (and,

> > more importantly delivered in a way that works for them)

> > help/information.

> >

> > You also raise the issue about breastfeeding. This is such an old hot

>

> > potato. We HVs always see that women battle to breast feed to keep

> > the midwife happy and are relieved when they no longer visit so they

> > can stop. Yet midwives see us as people that cause the stoppage. It

> > is a 50/50 problem. Just as many women don't get the help they need

> > in hospital and the first few days as that don't get good support from

>

> > health visitors. It is an ongoing blame culture, which again, is not

> > what collaborative working is about. I have always spoken out for us

> > to sell ourselves and the work we do more effectively. We are very

> > bad at that, yet expect people not only to

> > to know what we do, but respect it. I think our target group has to

> > be midwives. How often do we offer to take them out for a day to see

> > what we do? So this is what happens when they don't understand us.

> > We are clearly not valued by them as a profession.

> >

> > To sum up, this really highlights that we have to really come to a

> > decision about where we are going as a profession. There are two

> > schools of thought about public health. I know Senate is very pro

> > that role and community development etc. etc. but the reality in

> > practice is that it is clearly not what existing clients want. We

> > either branch into two different professions or try and bring the two

> > together more effectively.

> > Meanwhile, until we sort our own house out, it is going to be

> > difficult defending our corner. We have to respond though.

> > Anyway, that is just my first thoughts!!

> > Take care , I hope you are well and not doing too much!!!

> > Xena

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

, myself and a couple of friends (not on Senate) have received one. Hope you have a good trip to NZ and enjoy some summer sun.

Best wishes

June

[Guest guest]

thank you for your contributions, not only on Senate but

elsewhere, and good luck for the future.

We are just beginning to get back responses from the national survey

posted a couple of weeks ago to 10% of all health visitors (I hope some

Senate members are included in the sample!) and it is very noticeable

that a really high proportion are either fully retired, or retired, but

doing a few hours a week on the bank.

I am delighted that Mark announced at conference that CPHVA is

pressing for another 1000 health vissitors, as well as the 1500 extra

school nurses proposed by the CNO; but where on earth are we to get them

from?

, wrote:

>Dear and Colleagues at Senate,

>I shall be leaving HV teaching at the end of the month and just wanted

>to say how much I have enjoyed the interesting and informative debates

>that the forum has provided (even though I have not been a very active

>member !).

>I still care passionately about Health Visiting and feel cautiously

>optimistic for the future when I read of all the very positive work that

>Senate members are achieving. Although now retiring from Nescot I don't

>intend to give up on Health Visiting just yet and hope in the coming

>months to get some 'hands on' experience again.

>I have always felt, and still do feel, very privileged to be part of

>this profession where I have met some interesting clients and students

>and, have also made some very dear friends along the way. So keep up the

>good work and thank you.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would like say many thanks to and also wish her all the best on

behalf of the many students who undertook their training at NESCOT.

played a pivotal in ensuring that NESCOT (one of the selected few)offered a

degree pathway for Community Health at Nescot, and along with her collegue Jean

were able to offer alternative practice placements in places such as Holland.

Thankyou on behalf of us all (ex Nescotee's) not only for the quality

and support but also the content of the training provision and you will be

missed.

Best wihes Yasmin & Co

[Guest guest]

serious stuff indeed

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > , wow, well doesn't that highlight all that is so confusing and

> > > wrong about health visiting at present. The fact is, we are so

> > > confused about our own roles, that how can we really defend complaints

> >

> > > about us. Half of us are trying to move forward to address the wider

> > > determinants of health, as long-term solutions, in partnership with

> > > other organisations and agencies, just as we are meant to be doing,

> > > and half are continuing with the close one-to-one client contact that

> > > is so valued for the short term. My own job/role is completely

> > > reflective of this. I am literally half and half. I have a small

> > > (but very intense/high need) caseload to work on as a health visitor,

> > > but half my role and remit is to do exactly as I said, tackling the

> > > long-term issues to improve health and reduce health inequalities,

> > > which, of course, is impossible for a lone organisation and forces the

> >

> > > partnership working. That is a whole different story.

> > > Meanwhile, our standards in health visiting are so variable. I am

> > > staggered to hear of so many complaints against health visitors.

> > > Where are we going so wrong in people's eyes? In practice, I do

> > > wonder if many colleagues really explain to clients what our role is

> > > and what they can expect from us. that is pretty fundamental, as

> > > disappointment and misunderstanding often results in complaints. I

> > > always ask people when they move into my caseload if they understand

> > > what health visitors do/if anyone explained our role to them before,

> > > and invariably they say no-one explained the role properly and are

> > > relieved to know exactly what we are about. If we are to continue to

> > > work directly with the public on a one-to-one basis, we clearly cannot

> >

> > > afford to lose any of our skills. Yet you say training is already

> > > causing that to happen. Individual clients don't give a toss about

> > > our skills in community development and partnership working.

> > > they only care that we are offering appropriate and effective (and,

> > > more importantly delivered in a way that works for them)

> > > help/information.

> > >

> > > You also raise the issue about breastfeeding. This is such an old hot

> >

> > > potato. We HVs always see that women battle to breast feed to keep

> > > the midwife happy and are relieved when they no longer visit so they

> > > can stop. Yet midwives see us as people that cause the stoppage. It

> > > is a 50/50 problem. Just as many women don't get the help they need

> > > in hospital and the first few days as that don't get good support from

> >

> > > health visitors. It is an ongoing blame culture, which again, is not

> > > what collaborative working is about. I have always spoken out for us

> > > to sell ourselves and the work we do more effectively. We are very

> > > bad at that, yet expect people not only to

> > > to know what we do, but respect it. I think our target group has to

> > > be midwives. How often do we offer to take them out for a day to see

> > > what we do? So this is what happens when they don't understand us.

> > > We are clearly not valued by them as a profession.

> > >

> > > To sum up, this really highlights that we have to really come to a

> > > decision about where we are going as a profession. There are two

> > > schools of thought about public health. I know Senate is very pro

> > > that role and community development etc. etc. but the reality in

> > > practice is that it is clearly not what existing clients want. We

> > > either branch into two different professions or try and bring the two

> > > together more effectively.

> > > Meanwhile, until we sort our own house out, it is going to be

> > > difficult defending our corner. We have to respond though.

> > > Anyway, that is just my first thoughts!!

> > > Take care , I hope you are well and not doing too much!!!

> > > Xena

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Good luck . I wish you well in the future.

Regards,

Crome

serious stuff indeed

>

>

> >

> >

> > , wow, well doesn't that highlight all that is so confusing and

> > wrong about health visiting at present. The fact is, we are so

> > confused about our own roles, that how can we really defend complaints

>

> > about us. Half of us are trying to move forward to address the wider

> > determinants of health, as long-term solutions, in partnership with

> > other organisations and agencies, just as we are meant to be doing,

> > and half are continuing with the close one-to-one client contact that

> > is so valued for the short term. My own job/role is completely

> > reflective of this. I am literally half and half. I have a small

> > (but very intense/high need) caseload to work on as a health visitor,

> > but half my role and remit is to do exactly as I said, tackling the

> > long-term issues to improve health and reduce health inequalities,

> > which, of course, is impossible for a lone organisation and forces the

>

> > partnership working. That is a whole different story.

> > Meanwhile, our standards in health visiting are so variable. I am

> > staggered to hear of so many complaints against health visitors.

> > Where are we going so wrong in people's eyes? In practice, I do

> > wonder if many colleagues really explain to clients what our role is

> > and what they can expect from us. that is pretty fundamental, as

> > disappointment and misunderstanding often results in complaints. I

> > always ask people when they move into my caseload if they understand

> > what health visitors do/if anyone explained our role to them before,

> > and invariably they say no-one explained the role properly and are

> > relieved to know exactly what we are about. If we are to continue to

> > work directly with the public on a one-to-one basis, we clearly cannot

>

> > afford to lose any of our skills. Yet you say training is already

> > causing that to happen. Individual clients don't give a toss about

> > our skills in community development and partnership working.

> > they only care that we are offering appropriate and effective (and,

> > more importantly delivered in a way that works for them)

> > help/information.

> >

> > You also raise the issue about breastfeeding. This is such an old hot

>

> > potato. We HVs always see that women battle to breast feed to keep

> > the midwife happy and are relieved when they no longer visit so they

> > can stop. Yet midwives see us as people that cause the stoppage. It

> > is a 50/50 problem. Just as many women don't get the help they need

> > in hospital and the first few days as that don't get good support from

>

> > health visitors. It is an ongoing blame culture, which again, is not

> > what collaborative working is about. I have always spoken out for us

> > to sell ourselves and the work we do more effectively. We are very

> > bad at that, yet expect people not only to

> > to know what we do, but respect it. I think our target group has to

> > be midwives. How often do we offer to take them out for a day to see

> > what we do? So this is what happens when they don't understand us.

> > We are clearly not valued by them as a profession.

> >

> > To sum up, this really highlights that we have to really come to a

> > decision about where we are going as a profession. There are two

> > schools of thought about public health. I know Senate is very pro

> > that role and community development etc. etc. but the reality in

> > practice is that it is clearly not what existing clients want. We

> > either branch into two different professions or try and bring the two

> > together more effectively.

> > Meanwhile, until we sort our own house out, it is going to be

> > difficult defending our corner. We have to respond though.

> > Anyway, that is just my first thoughts!!

> > Take care , I hope you are well and not doing too much!!!

> > Xena

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Raeth,

We'll be here if you decide to return. You will still be considered a

member no matter where your travels lead you.

Tom

Hello,

I haven't posted much, but I would't like to go with out -anyone-

knowing.

This is a great list and has a magnificant throughput of messages, but

I'm afraid that's why I have to leave it for now.

I'm just too busy to read all the messages, and don't want to fill my

mailbox with the hundreds of letters each week. I know there's a

digest, but this place doesn't interest me anymore and I have other

things to persue.

See you all,

Raeth

[Guest guest]

Rather than leave for good, you can always put yourself on " no mail " and pop

back in anytime you feel like it.

If you still want to disenroll, I wish you all the best, and welcome back

anytime.

Inger

> I haven't posted much, but I would't like to go with out -anyone-

knowing.

This is a great list and has a magnificant throughput of messages, but

I'm afraid that's why I have to leave it for now.

I'm just too busy to read all the messages, and don't want to fill my

mailbox with the hundreds of letters each week. I know there's a

digest, but this place doesn't interest me anymore and I have other

things to persue.

See you all,

Raeth

FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and

acceptance. Everyone is valued.

Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the

folder marked " Other FAM Sites. "

[Guest guest]

There are some very kind people on this list serv, but also

others who seem to be very bitter and self-absorbed (and

dare I say US-centric?). It is starting to depress me!

Being an optimist, I'm off to hang out on the other THR/TKR

list, where people are more cheerful Good luck with

upcoming surgeries folks!

[Guest guest]

Oh, please don't leave on my account. I will leave so that you may stay. I don't

consider

myself US-centric, but I am a proud American. Our country has had enough bashing

of

late. It's time for us Americans to defend our native soil.

Arianne

>

> There are some very kind people on this list serv, but also

> others who seem to be very bitter and self-absorbed (and

> dare I say US-centric?). It is starting to depress me!

>

> Being an optimist, I'm off to hang out on the other THR/TKR

> list, where people are more cheerful Good luck with

> upcoming surgeries folks!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

OK, I can't let this one pass. The US is a world bully. Bashing from other people, or even from its own citizens is good for it. It needs waking up. No country that outsources its jobs, thereby abandoning its own citizens, deserves any praise.

Ann S.

Re: Leaving

Oh, please don't leave on my account. I will leave so that you may stay. I don't consider myself US-centric, but I am a proud American. Our country has had enough bashing of late. It's time for us Americans to defend our native soil.Arianne>> There are some very kind people on this list serv, but also> others who seem to be very bitter and self-absorbed (and> dare I say US-centric?). It is starting to depress me!> > Being an optimist, I'm off to hang out on the other THR/TKR> list, where people are more cheerful Good luck with> upcoming surgeries folks!> > >

[Guest guest]

This is your opinion, Ann, and you are entitled to it. I don't happen to agree.

We have built

up many nations in order to lift them out of poverty. I agree that there should

be stiff

sanctions and tariffs on American companies who choose to move off-shore.

Many companies, however, were forced to leave because of the devastating EPA

regulations, that would have shut them down. Yes, we need clean air and water,

but to put

the the eastern seaboard into 'The Northeast Corridor', rang the death Knoll for

many

companies. I haven't purchased many items from off-shore since the 1980's. I

could see

what was coming even then. Yes, we do without many items, but we choose it that

way.

Arianne

> >

> > There are some very kind people on this list serv, but also

> > others who seem to be very bitter and self-absorbed (and

> > dare I say US-centric?). It is starting to depress me!

> >

> > Being an optimist, I'm off to hang out on the other THR/TKR

> > list, where people are more cheerful Good luck with

> > upcoming surgeries folks!

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Tina-

Good luck. Have you thought about going on special notice only- that way you

could read when you have time. I know it helps to just know I am not the

only one going thru this.

But anyway- best of luck to you and your family.

JIll

On 6/19/08, Tina Schmidt <spydre_74@...> wrote:

>

> I'm leaving the group. I haven't been very vocal, but I have been

> reading. There is just a lot going on right now - my fibro was diagnosed,

> but within 2 weeks of that (3 days ago) I was also diagnosed with MS. Right

> now I " m kind of in a numb walking zombie state trying to process all this,

> and it's not working. I'm in the second flare in about 3 weeks - or maybe

> the first flare never stopped, and I'm trying to deal with my family (who

> are all shellshocked by the dx as well) and trying to make some life changes

> and find a job at the same time. It's nothing against you guys, it's just

> right now I can't keep up with the mail.

>

> Tina S.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tina,

I am sorry to see you go, but know you are in my thoughts and prayers.

Heidi M

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Jill Watkins <jill.watkins@...>

wrote:

> Tina-

>

> Good luck. Have you thought about going on special notice only- that way

> you

> could read when you have time. I know it helps to just know I am not the

> only one going thru this.

>

> But anyway- best of luck to you and your family.

>

> JIll

>

> On 6/19/08, Tina Schmidt <spydre_74@... <spydre_74%40>>

> wrote:

> >

> > I'm leaving the group. I haven't been very vocal, but I have been

> > reading. There is just a lot going on right now - my fibro was diagnosed,

> > but within 2 weeks of that (3 days ago) I was also diagnosed with MS.

> Right

> > now I " m kind of in a numb walking zombie state trying to process all

> this,

> > and it's not working. I'm in the second flare in about 3 weeks - or

> maybe

> > the first flare never stopped, and I'm trying to deal with my family (who

> > are all shellshocked by the dx as well) and trying to make some life

> changes

> > and find a job at the same time. It's nothing against you guys, it's just

> > right now I can't keep up with the mail.

> >

> > Tina S.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Tina, I'm so sorry for your new diagnosis. I wish you well as you deal

with all of your issues. Take care.

Sue

On Thursday, June 19, 2008, at 06:27 AM, Tina Schmidt wrote:

> I'm leaving the group. I haven't been very vocal, but I have been

> reading. There is just a lot going on right now - my fibro was

> diagnosed, but within 2 weeks of that (3 days ago) I was also

> diagnosed with MS. Right now I " m kind of in a numb walking zombie

> state trying to process all this, and it's not working. I'm in

> the second flare in about 3 weeks - or maybe the first flare never

> stopped, and I'm trying to deal with my family (who are all

> shellshocked by the dx as well) and trying to make some life changes

> and find a job at the same time. It's nothing against you guys, it's

> just right now I can't keep up with the mail.

>

> Tina S.

[Guest guest]

Hi Tina: I too, am sorry about your new diagnosis. I pray you can get

through this stressful time. God Bless you, as you have such a full

plate right now. Hugs, Barbara

>

> > I'm leaving the group. I haven't been very vocal, but I have been

> > reading. There is just a lot going on right now - my fibro was

> > diagnosed, but within 2 weeks of that (3 days ago) I was also

> > diagnosed with MS. Right now I " m kind of in a numb walking zombie

> > state trying to process all this, and it's not working. I'm in

> > the second flare in about 3 weeks - or maybe the first flare never

> > stopped, and I'm trying to deal with my family (who are all

> > shellshocked by the dx as well) and trying to make some life changes

> > and find a job at the same time. It's nothing against you guys, it's

> > just right now I can't keep up with the mail.

> >

> > Tina S.

>

[Guest guest]

hi tina, i'm so sorry for all you're going through! you just need to focus on

yourself & the issues you are facing in your everyday life. i know it's HARD to

deal with this all at once, but don't GIVE UP THE FIGHT!! god bless,melyndagamez

6/19/08 9:25p.m.central

[ ] Re: Leaving

Hi Tina:  I too, am sorry about your new diagnosis.  I pray you can get

through this stressful time.  God Bless you, as  you have such a full

plate right now. Hugs,  Barbara

>

> > I'm leaving the group. I haven't been very vocal, but I have been

> > reading. There is just a lot going on right now - my fibro was

> > diagnosed, but within 2 weeks of that (3 days ago) I was also

> > diagnosed with MS. Right now I " m kind of in a numb walking zombie

> > state trying to process all this, and it's not working. I'm in

> > the second flare in about 3 weeks - or maybe the first flare never

> > stopped, and I'm trying to deal with my family (who are all

> > shellshocked by the dx as well) and trying to make some life changes

> > and find a job at the same time. It's nothing against you guys, it's

> > just right now I can't keep up with the mail.

> >

> > Tina S.

>

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[Guest guest]

I had to leave group becaus too many e mails.. If you want e mail me please do

E mail with out group... I have too much to do... ok Thank you... May God Bless

You Hug from Jan from AZ

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Sun Mar 29, 2009 3:06 am (PDT)

I am leaving this group I've really tried hard to get the word out about LDN, done a ton of research, asked a lot of questions and tried very hard to listen to what some of the folks here who have experience with LDN have to say. Unfortunately, when I try to refer someone else to this site it's the same old responses, " Is this stuff for animals, are you telling me I'm going to have to start going to the vet!", " I can't tell what you should or shouldn't do cause everyone keeps debating how to use it!" It's hard to get people seriously interested in LDN if I send them here first. How sad is that?I know, I'm sure I'll hear ..."were all family, sometimes families don't agree" I heard that last time I spoke up and sadly people got defensive even then when my statement was made in general. I see some folks on here really working hard to try to build a credible foundation of positive feedback for LDN, to get the information out there to people so that it might have a positive impact on their health or quality of life. I have gone back and forth in my wanting to try LDN and I don't mind telling you, what throws me off, is taking this treatment serious when someone else is giving it to their pet. Now if that makes me shallow or stupid or whatever name you want to stick me with, well thats just fine, I'm ok with that. I'm sure I'm not the first, only or last to have the thought run through my head. Anyway, good luck to you folks who are suffering, I hope you find some relief and happiness. I'm going to put my energy into other things and give my email a much needed break.take care, good luck!

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