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the torch test is supposed to reveal poor functioning adrenals, because of low

aldosterone i believe.

i wonder if the opposite is true now? you have plenty of aldosterone for some

reason? perhaps there are other factors that cause this symptom. do you have

any adrenal tests? perhaps you could ask Val on NTHA adrenals about this, she

might know.

sorry i can't be more help

Chris

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Hi there,

I have the same - until I saw your note on this subject I thought it was just me - my pupils are tiny and never seem to go large like some people's do - I have adrenal issues and hashi's and Lupus so not sure what it all means.

Best wishes

Mandy

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Mine were larger when I had mercury fillings. But a friend's are smaller & still

has her fillings, didn't live in a wdb.

Seems there are a number of causes, including medicines.

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/symptoms/pupil_constriction/causes.htm

Red eyes is from mold. 

Kathy

<candalah@...>

 [] Small pupils

Has anyone had small pupils as a symptom of mold or other contaminants in

water damaged building exposure? I have this symptom and people around me are

starting to get it along with itchy watery eyes, bags under eyes etc. This is

effecfing cns right? Its very odd ro say the least

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Diane,

I've noticed mine being small since the wdb for 2 yrs. Lived in wdb 4 1/2 yrs. 

I don't know my gene type, put off -saying ins.won't pay for it.  

Has anyone had luck w insurance paying for genetic tests?

So, it would mean mold is constricting the blood vessels. I'm glad they improved

w CSM.

Kathy

 <dianekelly7@...>

 Re: Small pupils

My pupils are very small and I have biotoxin illness.    I have been on CMS

for 4 mos now with much improvement.  I also have the

dreaded genotype.

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Neurotoxins can cause abnormal pupil activity to light and pesticides are among

them. If your building is routinely treated or antifungals/mildicides are in

use, then that might cause it along with other aspects of neural hyperactivity.

Barb Rubin

www.armchairactivist.us

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> Mine were larger when I had mercury fillings. But a friend's are smaller &

still has her fillings, didn't live in a wdb.

>

> Seems there are a number of causes, including medicines.

>

> http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/symptoms/pupil_constriction/causes.htm

>

> Red eyes is from mold. 

>

> Kathy

>

>

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my pupils often dilate with exposures.

> >

> > Mine were larger when I had mercury fillings. But a friend's are smaller &

still has her fillings, didn't live in a wdb.

> >

> > Seems there are a number of causes, including medicines.

> >

> > http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/symptoms/pupil_constriction/causes.htm

> >

> > Red eyes is from mold. 

> >

> > Kathy

> >

> >

>

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Thanks For the replies everyone. I do feel its biotoxin related for me rather

than chemical but agree chemicals can so this too.

>

> Neurotoxins can cause abnormal pupil activity to light and pesticides are

among them. If your building is routinely treated or antifungals/mildicides are

in use, then that might cause it along with other aspects of neural

hyperactivity.

>

> Barb Rubin

> www.armchairactivist.us

>

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How often ? Anything else you notice with this ?

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From: Dana S <candalah@...>

Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 11:11:02 PM

Subject: [] Small pupils

Can't rememeber if I have asked this question before but wondering of anyone

else gets small pupils during exposure? I doubt this is from mould, prob more

likely bacteria or something like that. Amyone else? Any ideas whats happening?

Why this happens?

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Could be damage to the SNS

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From: Dana S <candalah@...>

Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 11:11:02 PM

Subject: [] Small pupils

Can't rememeber if I have asked this question before but wondering of anyone

else gets small pupils during exposure? I doubt this is from mould, prob more

likely bacteria or something like that. Amyone else? Any ideas whats happening?

Why this happens?

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Totally weird huh.. Its when im in certain places. The couch in this house is

seriously cross contaminated..i dont go near it...as are outside chairs and

increasingly my bed...joys.

When i get this symptom I also get neck pain, headache, jaw pain, rings uner

eyes, sore eyes and very very tired near very contaminated objects. Around just

mold i get diff symptoms. My eyes have also started to become dry. Getting worse

all the time and i feel it may be related. I hear a lot of people speak about

the dry eyes, but not the small pupils. I saw my boyfriend today a d noticed he

has this too, his pupils and eyes look strange and never did before and he has

the red eyes as well. since hes living in an EXTREMELY moldy house i want to

warn him for the hundrenth time what could be happening to him with a good idea

of what the symptom might actually indicate. Hes lost weight too :(

I wonder how many people does this freakin illness have to take down? Want my

bf to leave before it's too late for him but he's one who though he believes

me.. doesnt realise/ believe just how bad mold is or what it's done to me. What

it could be doing to him. He says he'll move eventually. I have to keep trying

to make it through to him before his immune system gets as screwed as mine. He

believes i got ill because my immune system is weak but i believe it was the

other way around. The mold/ microbial contamination caused the immune system to

break. He gets angry when i keep bringing it up but i have to persist.

Gah! Can you relate to the symptom? Thank you for asking.

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On 2011-02-09 17:04:51 +1100 dragonflymcs <dragonflymcs@...> wrote:

>

> How often ? Anything else you notice with this ?

>

> ________________________________

> From: Dana S <candalah@...>

>

> Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 11:11:02 PM

> Subject: [] Small pupils

>

>

> Can't rememeber if I have asked this question before but wondering of anyone

> else gets small pupils during exposure? I doubt this is from mould, prob more

>

> likely bacteria or something like that. Amyone else? Any ideas whats

> happening?

> Why this happens?

>

>

>

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Yes, the cns? That is what i feel, my cns feels very weak, vulberable.

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On 2011-02-09 17:04:55 +1100 dragonflymcs <dragonflymcs@...> wrote:

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> Could be damage to the SNS

>

> ________________________________

> From: Dana S <candalah@...>

>

> Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 11:11:02 PM

> Subject: [] Small pupils

>

>

> Can't rememeber if I have asked this question before but wondering of anyone

> else gets small pupils during exposure? I doubt this is from mould, prob more

>

> likely bacteria or something like that. Amyone else? Any ideas whats

> happening?

> Why this happens?

>

>

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This is a very interesting post to me b/c I have small pupils and recently I

found a pic of me from 30 yrs ago that revealed rather large pupils.  I never

noticed the pupils changing, matter of fact, I thought the small pupils were

normal.  And that my son's large pupils were normal for him.  A health food

store owner/iridologist looked at my eyes 22 yrs ago and said I had a very

strong constitution but something was wrong with my autonomic nervous system. 

To my knowledge at that time I was not obviously exposed to mold but I was

living in So FL where  I find it difficult to live b/c of the high humidity &

mold in many HVAC systems.  Earlier this week I was there & exposed to mold (I

can smell the mold in the air).  I have a not so good genotype, took CMS for 4

mos, now on 1 dose da and feel better but still have small pupils.  Although,

when I am exposed to mold I react, I think quicker but I seem to recover

quickly.  The key for my mold

exposure is to get away from it, breathe healthy air, & take CMS.  But

the challenge most of us have is finding the safe place. Yet, we have to keep

searching for it b/c it is out there.  Case in point:  I was in So FL for 8

days and I reacted in public library &  3 of my friends

homes. Yet,  in another one of my friends apt,  our rental property, &

our motorhome I was fine.  Back to the small pupils-it would be great to know

more about it.

 

 

>

> Could be damage to the SNS

>

> ________________________________

> From: Dana S <candalah@...>

>

> Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 11:11:02 PM

> Subject: [] Small pupils

>

>

> Can't rememeber if I have asked this question before but wondering of anyone

> else gets small pupils during exposure? I doubt this is from mould, prob more

>

> likely bacteria or something like that. Amyone else? Any ideas whats

> happening?

> Why this happens?

>

>

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Sorry Dana, Have not noticed those. Most all mine are respiratory now

cognitive too.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: Dana S <candalah@...>

Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 1:31:35 AM

Subject: Re: [] Small pupils

Totally weird huh.. Its when im in certain places. The couch in this house is

seriously cross contaminated..i dont go near it...as are outside chairs and

increasingly my bed...joys.

When i get this symptom I also get neck pain, headache, jaw pain, rings uner

eyes, sore eyes and very very tired near very contaminated objects. Around just

mold i get diff symptoms. My eyes have also started to become dry. Getting worse

all the time and i feel it may be related. I hear a lot of people speak about

the dry eyes, but not the small pupils. I saw my boyfriend today a d noticed he

has this too, his pupils and eyes look strange and never did before and he has

the red eyes as well. since hes living in an EXTREMELY moldy house i want to

warn him for the hundrenth time what could be happening to him with a good idea

of what the symptom might actually indicate. Hes lost weight too :(

I wonder how many people does this freakin illness have to take down? Want my bf

to leave before it's too late for him but he's one who though he believes me..

doesnt realise/ believe just how bad mold is or what it's done to me. What it

could be doing to him. He says he'll move eventually. I have to keep trying to

make it through to him before his immune system gets as screwed as mine. He

believes i got ill because my immune system is weak but i believe it was the

other way around. The mold/ microbial contamination caused the immune system to

break. He gets angry when i keep bringing it up but i have to persist.

Gah! Can you relate to the symptom? Thank you for asking

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Not the CNS the SNS which is part of ANS. Sympathetic Nervous System.

The sympathetic nervous system activates what is often termed the fight or

flight response. Like other parts of the nervous system, the sympathetic nervous

system operates through a series of interconnected neurons.Sympathetic neurons

are frequently considered part of the peripheral nervous system (PNS), although

there are many that lie within the central nervous system (CNS).

Sympathetic neurons of the spinal cord (which is part of the CNS) communicate

with peripheral sympathetic neurons via a series of sympathetic ganglia.Within

the ganglia, spinal cord sympathetic neurons join peripheral sympathetic neurons

through chemical synapses

http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/s/sympathetic_nervous_system.htm

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: Dana S <candalah@...>

Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 1:32:16 AM

Subject: Re: [] Small pupils

Yes, the cns? That is what i feel, my cns feels very weak, vulberable.

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I want to warn him for the hundrenth time what could be happening to him with a

good idea of what the symptom might actually indicate. Hes lost weight too :(

>

I was in a roomthat made me extremely ill but others wre therre before me and

did not get sick that I know of at least. You never know how mold will affect

someone. All you can do is warn them and maybe give them a list of symptoms.

If they recognize them maybe they will believe you and get out. I send info to

my friends who are in the mildy building I was in just in case So far no one

admits they are sick from being in that blsg.

Meredith

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Okay now that makes sense. I have small pupils to the point it seems like

pretty soon I won't be able to see. I am also on edge, perhaps burnt adrenals?

I have anxiety, I am a redhead, yes that makes a difference, SO if it is the

SNS that makes sense.

Anxiety:

Does anyone else feel like they are always on edge, like when I try to relax I

am not at all relaxed, in fact I feel like I could curl into the fetal position

rather than sleep.

Am I alone here??? Makes it hard to sleep and i wake up with aches and pains.

Meredith

>

> Not the CNS the SNS which is part of ANS. Sympathetic Nervous System.

>

> The sympathetic nervous system activates what is often termed the fight or

> flight response. Like other parts of the nervous system, the sympathetic

nervous

> system operates through a series of interconnected neurons.Sympathetic neurons

> are frequently considered part of the peripheral nervous system (PNS),

although

> there are many that lie within the central nervous system (CNS).

> Sympathetic neurons of the spinal cord (which is part of the CNS) communicate

> with peripheral sympathetic neurons via a series of sympathetic ganglia.Within

> the ganglia, spinal cord sympathetic neurons join peripheral sympathetic

neurons

> through chemical synapses

>

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Meredith, my anxiety is through the roof. This morning I had to go to the

auto-body shop and then to Walmart and I honestly dont know how I did it. I was

shaking, everything around me was surreal and to make a bad situation worst we

just had 4 " of snow so the roads were snowpacked and extremely icy. By the time

I got home I was a nervous wreck but the longer I stayed in this house the worst

I felt so I left again, thank God the road conditions weren't nearly as bad and

I started to calm down.

--- In , " fontanafool " <productionking04@...>

wrote:

>

> Anxiety:

> Does anyone else feel like they are always on edge, like when I try to relax I

am not at all relaxed, in fact I feel like I could curl into the fetal position

rather than sleep.

>

> Am I alone here??? Makes it hard to sleep and i wake up with aches and pains.

> Meredith

>

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