food allergy

[Guest guest]

Dear Allan

Please do not confuse correlation and causality. Fibro may well be affected

by the food you eat as it has a strong relationship with IBS, but it

certainly cannot be shown to be caused by diet.

R

Re: Food allergy

> Other people with Fibro has came to her asking what she does. She tells

> them the limited food she eats. They do the same and get better also.

> Maybe not completely healed but better. I am almost positive food in the

> U.S. is causing Fibro.

>

> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:

> Perhaps this is evidence there is something in your house that is

> causing her problems.

>

> Edgar

>

> On Feb 11, 2008, at 7:48 PM, pilotdad28645 wrote:

>

> > We just got back from Costa Rica. My wife has Fibromyalgia. She could

> > function here in the U.S. with a limited diet. But in Costa Rica she

> > ate everything with no ill effects. She felt great. We went hiking,

> > Horseback riding, somedays went 12 hours a day non stop. I think the

> > food in the U.S. is what's making people sick. She has been telling

> > people here what she eats to feel better. The one's that listen do

> > feel better.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

When I saw one of the worlds most reknowned FM experts (Dr at

Oregon Health Science U. in Portland) he said mine was caused by so many

years of unresolved CFS (immune system derangement) and was definitely

exacerbated by a bad car wreck I'd recently been in. Not like i havent'

tried it all, and oh that it would be so easy to just change diet.

Sometimes things run a lot deeper in FM, FM can also piggy back onto other

serious illness's.

Marcia

Re: Food allergy

>

>

> > Other people with Fibro has came to her asking what she does. She tells

> > them the limited food she eats. They do the same and get better also.

> > Maybe not completely healed but better. I am almost positive food in the

> > U.S. is causing Fibro.

> >

> > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:

> > Perhaps this is evidence there is something in your house that is

> > causing her problems.

> >

> > Edgar

> >

> > On Feb 11, 2008, at 7:48 PM, pilotdad28645 wrote:

> >

> > > We just got back from Costa Rica. My wife has Fibromyalgia. She could

> > > function here in the U.S. with a limited diet. But in Costa Rica she

> > > ate everything with no ill effects. She felt great. We went hiking,

> > > Horseback riding, somedays went 12 hours a day non stop. I think the

> > > food in the U.S. is what's making people sick. She has been telling

> > > people here what she eats to feel better. The one's that listen do

> > > feel better.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Ah, there it is. She has fibromyalgia, not CFIDS. Most of us here have

CFIDS.

alan parker wrote:

>

> Other people with Fibro has came to her asking what she does. She

> tells them the limited food she eats. They do the same and get better

> also. Maybe not completely healed but better. I am almost positive

> food in the U.S. is causing Fibro.

>

> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@... <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net>> wrote:

> Perhaps this is evidence there is something in your house that is

> causing her problems.

>

> Edgar

>

> On Feb 11, 2008, at 7:48 PM, pilotdad28645 wrote:

>

> > We just got back from Costa Rica. My wife has Fibromyalgia. She could

> > function here in the U.S. with a limited diet. But in Costa Rica she

> > ate everything with no ill effects. She felt great. We went hiking,

> > Horseback riding, somedays went 12 hours a day non stop. I think the

> > food in the U.S. is what's making people sick. She has been telling

> > people here what she eats to feel better. The one's that listen do

> > feel better.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is something that is making me a little uncomfortable here. It feels

like the government, and medical profession, have denied the experiences we

are having with our CFS and Fibro, for so long, that it is really important

that us as a community support each others experiences instead. None of us

completely know for sure the cause and disease process, of our illness; we

have been left for so long on our own to discover what works for us, and

some of us have been quite successful, but these are not " one cure, cures

all " illnesses. If Alan's wife finds restricting her diet, really helps her

fibro, that is fantastic, and we should support them. Diet may help some but

not others.

Dr Myhill wrote to me once, saying that she is coming to the belief that

some fibro pain may be caused by a build up of toxins in the muscles. She

used toxins in the general sense, but included the toxins produced by food

sensitivity. My partner and I now have no " fibro " pain (as part of our CFS),

even post exercise, as a result of removing all the different foods that we

are sensitive too, from our diet. A big one for us was Soya, aspartaine and

(sadly) Xylotol in too great a quantity. Plus of course the addition of

masses of magnesium, both by injection and orally, has also helped with the

pain.

Personally if someone says they have found something that has helped, I am

over the moon for them, and may consider trying it for myself. At the moment

it feels as if the only people out there, who are trying to help, are some

brave doctors and some even braver patients. And I am very grateful to them

(us) all.

Cheeky grin

Tansy

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[Guest guest]

Yes, _I believe many of us understand diet alone does not cause CFS/FMS_

but I believe many of us feel better watching our intake of healthier

choices of foodstuffs as it aggravates what we already have. I

personally believe my father-in-law's cancer was a result of very poor

eating habits (he told us he used to eat a half-gallon of ice cream

EVERY night after he came home from work, for years, and later became

diabetic, duh, then used all the " sugar-free " type chemicals, of which I

am convinced was the cause of his cancer). He used no supplementation

of herbs, vitamins or minerals, which certainly helps me feel better and

have more energy. Just my opinion and observations after reading what

everyone writes in my 55 year lifetime.

in La Selva Beach CA

Windsor wrote:

>

> Dear Allan

> Please do not confuse correlation and causality. Fibro may well be

> affected

> by the food you eat as it has a strong relationship with IBS, but it

> certainly cannot be shown to be caused by diet.

> R

> Re: Food allergy

>

> > Other people with Fibro has came to her asking what she does. She tells

> > them the limited food she eats. They do the same and get better also.

> > Maybe not completely healed but better. I am almost positive food in

> the

> > U.S. is causing Fibro.

> >

> > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@... <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net>> wrote:

> > Perhaps this is evidence there is something in your house that is

> > causing her problems.

> >

> > Edgar

> >

> > On Feb 11, 2008, at 7:48 PM, pilotdad28645 wrote:

> >

> > > We just got back from Costa Rica. My wife has Fibromyalgia. She could

> > > function here in the U.S. with a limited diet. But in Costa Rica she

> > > ate everything with no ill effects. She felt great. We went hiking,

> > > Horseback riding, somedays went 12 hours a day non stop. I think the

> > > food in the U.S. is what's making people sick. She has been telling

> > > people here what she eats to feel better. The one's that listen do

> > > feel better.

>

[Guest guest]

Priscilla,

That's great news! I too, feel better than I have in years. I also hope to be

able to start

weight training again. I still have some major tendinitis injuries that I'm

waiting to heal.

These take a long time. But, I'm confident that if I continue to give my body

the right foods, I

will continue to improve and be able to exercise again. Finally, I'm seeing

some progress. I'm

excited!

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From : Hagerty[mailto:hgrty777@...]

Sent : 6/28/2008 3:17:06 PM

To :

Cc :

Subject : RE: Food allergy

Hi

I recently started a new diet where you have to keep track of what you eat and I

am seeing all

kinds of relationships between the foods I eat and the symptoms I have each day.

These last two

weeks I am feeling better and the only change is my foods and my vitamins. I

also started back at

the gym 3x a week with the weight training.

God Bless

Priscilla

[Guest guest]

Hi Rishi,

Did you do a parasitology test?

My son got a lot of allergies a few years ago and it seams now that

it's because of parasites.

Maia.

>

> Hi,

>

> I have a son 3 years old, who gets allergic to any thing he eats. His IgG

allergy panel about 10 months ago, which showed several things like, rice, milk,

soy, corn, oat egg etc as 3 start allergic. We took thoses foods out and started

foods like lentil, buckwheat, millet, quinoa etc with houstan enzymes(we could

not go to complete SCD as he has feeding issues; we needed to blend all foods,

so cannot survive without grains).

>

> Now we just got report of another IgG food panel test, where it's showing

lentils, buckwheat, quinoa as allergic. Older allergy on rice, soy etc has gone

down as single star.

>

>

> I am running out of ideas what should we feed him. It appears his digestive

system is not responding to any grains. Please give me some idea. Any treatment

specifically for food allergy?

>

> Thanks,

> Rishi

>

[Guest guest]

> I have a son 3 years old, who gets allergic to any thing he eats.

At the beginning of biomedical, my son tolerated no foods.

I used HNI enzymes, and was able to add back most foods. There were still a few

foods I had to eliminate.

ALA chelation and several supplements healed his gut. Today he can eat anything

he wants, without enzymes.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Many times the gut is so compromised that it doesn't matter what foods you

reduce the diet to, those foods too eventually become problematic. Healing the

gut is a complicated process because every child is an individual.

Food Allergy

Hi,

I have a son 3 years old, who gets allergic to any thing he eats. His IgG

allergy panel about 10 months ago, which showed several things like, rice, milk,

soy, corn, oat egg etc as 3 start allergic. We took thoses foods out and started

foods like lentil, buckwheat, millet, quinoa etc with houstan enzymes(we could

not go to complete SCD as he has feeding issues; we needed to blend all foods,

so cannot survive without grains).

Now we just got report of another IgG food panel test, where it's showing

lentils, buckwheat, quinoa as allergic. Older allergy on rice, soy etc has gone

down as single star.

I am running out of ideas what should we feed him. It appears his digestive

system is not responding to any grains. Please give me some idea. Any treatment

specifically for food allergy?

Thanks,

Rishi

[Guest guest]

We just started NAET for allergies. You can find info at www.NAET.com. I have

head that it really works for some kids.

[Guest guest]

I agree NAET or BioSET can be helpful, maybe doing a rotation diet would be best

in your son's case until his gut is healed.

>

> We just started NAET for allergies. You can find info at www.NAET.com. I

have head that it really works for some kids.

>

[Guest guest]

Wondering if anyone here can explain why and or how food allergies can be caused

by mold illness/exposure?

thanks, Ian

[Guest guest]

often food sensitivities will not come out positive in blood tests (IgG or IgE),

however it's clear to most people that they can't eat a particular food because

it gives them severe symptoms, such as vomiting and diarrhea.

In order for you to test positive for blood tests, the food needs to be absorbed

into your blood stream. If there is not adequate absorption of the food, your

body cannot create antibodies to these foods. Therefore if you're body is

eliminating these food that you are sensitive or allergic to while still in the

digestive tract and not absorbing them, it probably won't come up in blood

tests. also if you haven't eaten a certain food for a long period of time, you

also won't come up positive for food allergies.

as for the cause of food allergies from mold, from my understanding is complex.

any toxin that enters into the blood stream will need to be processed by the

liver. the more toxins the liver is holding, the less it will be able to deal

with other toxins, regardless of if it's airborne or food. therefore foods that

have chemicals, preservatives, additives, food coloring, processed foods etc can

be perceived as more toxins to the liver and the liver will try to get rid of it

quickly upon absorption.

in the case of mold, what happens is that it damages the integrity of the

digestive tract. when normal flora is disturbed, you will end up with

opportunistic infections of yeast (candida etc). the yeast tends to brew in the

gut, which then is absorbed back into the liver, which further complicates

toxicity levels, which then makes you more allergic to food and the environment.

so when there's yeast overgrowth, most people will develop food issues with

simple carbohydrates (sugar), alcohol, fermented foods, gluten, diary, etc,

because these food items tend to increase the growth of yeast.

Most symptoms from mold are a byproduct of the body trying to get rid of the

toxin out of the body or ways that the body is trying to prevent the mold toxin

from doing further damage or entering different systems. the body is always

trying to maintain integrity under all adverse situations.

i hope that i may have answered some of your questions and i hope others may

have more information on food allergies, because i'd like to learn more too.

thank you.

>

> 2009 Apr 1;98(7):375-87.

>

> [Food allergy, food intolerance or functional disorder?]

> [Article in German]

>

> Wüthrich B.

>

> Praxis für Allergologie und Dermatologie, Spital Zollikerberg, Zollikerberg.

brunello.wuethrich@...

>

> The term " food allergy " is widely misused for all sorts of symptoms and

diseases caused by food. Food allergy (FA) is an adverse reaction to food (food

hypersensitivity) occurring in susceptible individuals, which is mediated by a

classical immune mechanism specific for the food itself. The best established

mechanism in FA is due to the presence of IgE antibodies against the offending

food. Food intolerance (FI) are all non-immune-mediated adverse reactions to

food. The subgroups of FI are enzymatic (e.g. lactose intolerance due to lactase

deficiency), pharmacological (reactions against biogenic amines, histamine

intolerance), and undefined food intolerance (e.g. against some food additives).

The diagnosis of an IgE-mediated FA is made by a carefully taken case history,

supported by the demonstration of an IgE sensitization either by skin prick

tests or by in vitro tests, and confirmed by positive oral provocation. For

scientific purposes the only accepted test for the confirmation of FA/FI is a

properly performed double-blind, placebo-controlled food challenge (DBPCFC). A

panel of recombinant allergens, produced as single allergenic molecules, may in

future improve the diagnosis of IgE-mediated FA. Due to a lack of causal

treatment possibilities, the elimination of the culprit " food allergen " from the

diet is the only therapeutic option for patients with real food allergy.

>

> PMID: 19340768 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

>

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19340768?ordinalpos=1 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEn\

trez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_SingleItemSupl.Pubmed_Discovery_RA & linkpo\

s=3 & log$=relatedarticles & logdbfrom=pubmed

>

> 2008 Jul;6(7):573-83.

>

> Food allergy.

> [Article in English, German]

>

> Werfel T.

>

> Department of Dermatology and Venerology, Medical University of Hannover,

Germany. werfel.thomas@...

>

> Food allergy is defined by a specific sensitization against food allergens

which is associated with a clinical reaction. Immediate reactions are most

common and the skin is most often involved in food allergy. Most food allergies

are IgE-mediated although eczema reactions in atopic dermatitis and in

hematogenous contact dermatitis to foods can be mediated by specific

T-lymphocytes. Only few foods are responsible for the majority of most reactions

in childhood. In adults up to 60% of all food allergic reactions are due to

cross reactions between foods and inhalative allergens. A stepwise procedure

which takes individual factors into account is necessary in the diagnostics of

food allergy. The diagnostic algorithm in food allergy is not significantly

different from that of other allergies. The oral provocation is the only method

to prove food allergy in patients without a convincing history. A specific

elimination diet is the only intervention which has been proven to be effective.

Further therapeutic approaches are still under study and include specific

immunotherapy, specific oral tolerance induction and treatment with anti-IgE

antibodies.

>

> PMID: 18611176 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

>

> 2003 Oct;36(5):917-40.

>

> Approaches to testing for food and chemical sensitivities.

> Gordon BR.

>

> Department of Otology and Laryngology, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA, USA.

>

> Testing for food and chemical sensitivities usually becomes necessary as part

of the evaluation of otolaryngology patients who have chronic illness. The more

complex the patient, and the more recalcitrant the problem is to treatment, the

more likely it is that allergies, and especially food or chemical sensitivities,

are involved in the pathogenesis of the illness. Failure to consider all major

allergen contacts, including foods and chemicals, can lead to inadequate

therapy. Similarly, failure to understand total allergic and oxidant load and

the effects of chemical toxicity can lead to inappropriate or ineffective

treatment. Clinically, food allergies occur in two different types: immediate,

anaphylactic, fixed reactions and delayed, chronic, cyclic reactions. Different

test methods have been developed for the two types. Fixed food allergies can be

safely and efficiently detected by in vitro specific IgE or histamine release

tests. Cyclic food allergies are best detected by either oral food challenges or

by the IPDFT test. Choosing the best test for a particular patient requires a

clear understanding of the two food allergy types and how their clinical

presentations differ. Other tests for food allergies are compared and contrasted

with these primary tests. Chemical sensitivity also occurs in two different

clinical types: allergic, and toxic. True allergy to chemical haptens, either

type I, IgE-mediated, or type IV, delayed hypersensitivity, occurs with

significant frequency but is often unsuspected. Chemical toxicity can be caused

by the aftereffects of an acute exposure or as a result of chronic, low-level

exposure, but is even more frequently unsuspected and will not be diagnosed

without a high index of suspicion. Both types of chemical sensitivity need to be

addressed in any patients who have either a high allergen or chemical exposure

load [105]. Either in vitro or in vivo tests can be used for chemical allergy

detection; the advantages of each are outlined. Chemical toxicity screening

tests are available and useful but do not detect all possible toxicants.

Definitive toxic chemical tests usually require specialized laboratory

facilities and expert consultation, for which possible sources are specified.

The most important point in testing for food or chemical sensitivity is to be

aware that food or chemical sensitivity can be contributing to a specific

patient's clinical problems. Only then can appropriate investigations be

undertaken to understand and then, perhaps, to intervene successfully in that

illness.

>

> PMID: 14743781 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

>

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14743781?ordinalpos=1 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEn\

trez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_SingleItemSupl.Pubmed_Discovery_RA & linkpo\

s=5 & log$=relatedreviews & logdbfrom=pubmed

>

[Guest guest]

Candida drills holes in your gut, thats why it is called permeable gut.

molecules from food get through, causing food reactivity. Repair the gut, it

goes away.

karen

>

>

>

> Wondering if anyone here can explain why and or how food allergies can be

caused by mold illness/exposure?

>

> thanks, Ian

>

[Guest guest]

Just my opinion from what I've read. I don't see a likely connection betw

toxins and food allergies. You could be reacting to food or not feel well after

eating certainly if it is contaminated w things that are toxic, but I wouldn't

call that a food allergy. For example, I have an allergy to mango. It's fresh

mango I have trouble with. I can eat it already peeled and out of the jar but I

bought the whole fruit once and peeled it and ate it. Some fruit was left on

the peel so I ate it off the peel wheren my lips touched the underside of the

peel and afterwards my lips swelled up. I mentioned to an allergist I just

happen to be going to. Only went to see him a few times and he said there is

something called 'mango allergy' and it is a protein in the skin. Most

allergies, true allergies anyway, caused by a protein in the food your body

misinterprets. I think if you gut was intact this protein substance may not

even *touch* any part of your body that it could irritate. I think a leaky gut

could allow this protein to get into body directly, undigested, where it doesn't

belong and body react to that but this is just my interpretation of what I have

read. I'm not retelling it exactly as read and it just a theory. I think we

lump everything to much into a toxic reaction but certainly toxins do cause the

digestive tract to degrade, hurt the digestive tract. In croft's writing says

that the destruction of digestive tract is substantial and in advanced cases

does not repair, damages the cilia which is the part of gut that absorbs the

nutrients.

>

> as for the cause of food allergies from mold, from my understanding is

complex. any toxin that enters into the blood stream will need to be processed

by the liver. the more toxins the liver is holding, the less it will be able to

deal with other toxins, regardless of if it's airborne or food. therefore foods

that have chemicals, preservatives, additives, food coloring, processed foods

etc can be perceived as more toxins to the liver and the liver will try to get

rid of it quickly upon absorption.

> in the case of mold, what happens is that it damages the integrity of the

digestive tract. when normal flora is disturbed, you will end up with

opportunistic infections of yeast (candida etc). the yeast tends to brew in the

gut, which then is absorbed back into the liver, which further complicates

toxicity levels, which then makes you more allergic to food and the environment.

> so when there's yeast overgrowth, most people will develop food issues with

simple carbohydrates (sugar), alcohol, fermented foods, gluten, diary, etc,

because these food items tend to increase the growth of yeast.

> Most symptoms from mold are a byproduct of the body trying to get rid of the

toxin out of the body or ways that the body is trying to prevent the mold toxin

from doing further damage or entering different systems. the body is always

trying to maintain integrity under all adverse situations.

> i hope that i may have answered some of your questions and i hope others may

have more information on food allergies, because i'd like to learn more too.

> thank you.

[Guest guest]

I think what means, and I have been told same thing but not using the

words 'holes', is that gut looses its barrier and is more permeable not an

actual hole all the way through to your body, that say contents of gi tract,

bacteria and all would leak out into your body cavity. I've seen video

explaining this phenom but I don't know if I can find it. It was one of those

sites posted here where biological processes have been animated and they are

quit good.

>

> , can you find me a reference to that somewhere?

>

> My understanding of " leaky gut syndrome " as explained by a

> microbiologist is that gasses in the gut from too high a ph level just

> leak out by osmosis - not holes. I won't go into a lengthy description

> of how that happens, but I seriously doubt that candida literally

> punches holes in your gut or you would either die or wind up in

> emergency surgery for bowel resection.

>

> Barth

>

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>

> c> Candida drills holes in your gut, thats why it is called permeable gut.

molecules from food get through, causing food reactivity. Repair the gut, it

goes away.

> c> karen

>

[Guest guest]

p.s. From the animation I saw and also Croft's description and some other

sources, my own ENT, the gi tract is lined with cilia which makes inside surface

look to me somewhat like carpet pile, they are tightly together fibers that

stick upward. On top of that is a mucous layer, which is really a biofilm,

hopefully a biofilm of beneficial bacteria. The moisture in your mouth is a

biofilm of beneficial bacteria. Of course if candida takes over it is biofilm

of candida partly, i.e. thrush. Anyway, as your gut degrades from a variety of

assaults, one being taking antibacterials and from toxins. Those are two, this

biofilm degrades, and also cilia is damaged so maybe like a carpet with fibers

wearing thin so that the back of carpet is easily reached or seen, so this layer

of protection of cilia and mucous membrane are gone. That to my explanation is

what causes leaky gut. Croft says cilia will not regenerate but you could get

the mucous membrane back of beneficial bacteria. Where the cilia are gone, you

will not absorb nutrients. Where barrier is not there, molecules will pass

through barrier that should be protected but is not, allowing molecules to pass

into blood stream that shouldn't go there. The protein molecules that pass

through unhindered are the ones that cause an allergic reaction. Of course

other things that pass through leaky gut can cause trouble also. Toxins could

pass directly into blood stream there.

>

> My understanding of " leaky gut syndrome " as explained by a

> microbiologist is that gasses in the gut from too high a ph level just

> leak out by osmosis - not holes. I won't go into a lengthy description

> of how that happens, but I seriously doubt that candida literally

> punches holes in your gut or you would either die or wind up in

> emergency surgery for bowel resection.

>

> Barth

>

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>

> c> Candida drills holes in your gut, thats why it is called permeable gut.

molecules from food get through, causing food reactivity. Repair the gut, it

goes away.

> c> karen

>

[Guest guest]

again, food allergies are complex and there are different theories as why they

even exist.

if something doesn't feel good after you eat it, if you throw it up, get

diarrhea or any other symptoms, it doesn't really matter if you call it a food

allergy, food sensitivity, food intolerance or something else, the matter is,

you probably shouldn't be eating it and it's not doing your health any good.

reacting from the peel of a fruit but not the flesh of a fruit is common. there

could be several explanations for this. it could be to do with pesticides on the

skin of the fruit. it could be to do with the fact that the skin has a higher

concentration of pectin or different proteins, nutrients etc that is not found

in the flesh or at least in lower concentration. therefore, allergic reactions

happens with many different types of fruit skins. keep in mind you may not have

positive blood tests, but you may still be getting symptomatic from coming into

contact with specific foods.

most people with candida won't be able to eat any fruit during initial stages of

treatment due to the high sugar content as well as the fact that some fruits get

moldy quickly due to poor storage.

when there's leaky gut or the intestines have lost the ability to break down

food properly and there is a problem with absorption, you'll end up absorbing

larger, less broken down foods, which tends to create reactions - i don't want

to say " allergic " because it may not in theory be an allergic reaction you're

having. if you have yeast in your gut, you'll be absorbing yeast back into the

blood stream too along with poorly digested food. sound delicious? remember,

you're not what you eat, you're what you absorb.

>

> Just my opinion from what I've read. I don't see a likely connection betw

toxins and food allergies. You could be reacting to food or not feel well after

eating certainly if it is contaminated w things that are toxic, but I wouldn't

call that a food allergy. For example, I have an allergy to mango.

[Guest guest]

A link would be great for a visual. We were shown slides of cross

sections of the bowel. I just didn't want anyone to panic thinking

that they were full of " holes " or to go to their doctors telling them

this.

Barth

www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html

SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html

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bbw> I think what means, and I have been told same thing but not using the

words 'holes', is that gut looses its barrier and is more permeable not an

actual hole all the way through to your

bbw> body, that say contents of gi tract, bacteria and all would leak out into

your body cavity. I've seen video explaining this phenom but I don't know if I

can find it. It was one of those sites

bbw> posted here where biological processes have been animated and they are quit

good.

[Guest guest]

Same here. Mold has caused my food intolerances. Coincided with my sickness.

Grains, dairy, fermented foods, sugars etc make my symptoms much worse

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On 2011-02-11 10:15:41 +1100 Gingersnap1964@... wrote:

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> I did not haver all these food allergy till after I got sick

> Janet

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> In a message dated 2/10/2011 11:43:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> barb1283@... writes:

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> Just my opinion from what I've read. I don't see a likely connection betw

> toxins and food allergies. You could be reacting to food or not feel well

> after eating certainly if it is contaminated w things that are toxic, but I

> wouldn't call that a food allergy. For example, I have an allergy to mango.

> It's fresh mango I have trouble with. I can eat it already peeled and out

> of the jar but I bought the whole fruit once and peeled it and ate it. Some

> fruit was left on the peel so I ate it off the peel wheren my lips touched

> the underside of the peel and afterwards my lips swelled up. I mentioned to

> an allergist I just happen to be going to. Only went to see him a few

> times and he said there is something called 'mango allergy' and it is a

> protein

> in the skin. Most allergies, true allergies anyway, caused by a protein in

> the food your body misinterprets. I think if you gut was intact this

> protein substance may not even *touch* any part of your body that it

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[Guest guest]

Agree. Leaky gut was explained to me that it starts when the mucosal lining of

your intestines gets inflamed and then is unable to keep toxins, bacteria, etc.

from entering the bloodstream. D

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> > , can you find me a reference to that somewhere?

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> > My understanding of " leaky gut syndrome " as explained by a

> > microbiologist is that gasses in the gut from too high a ph level just

> > leak out by osmosis - not holes. I won't go into a lengthy description

> > of how that happens, but I seriously doubt that candida literally

> > punches holes in your gut or you would either die or wind up in

> > emergency surgery for bowel resection.

> >

> > Barth

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> >

> > c> Candida drills holes in your gut, thats why it is called permeable gut.

molecules from food get through, causing food reactivity. Repair the gut, it

goes away.

> > c> karen

> >

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[Guest guest]

food allergies, allergies caused by WDB exposures are different from food

intolerance. one can get both allergies and intolerances from WDB

exposures. molds produce proteins, in a high dose exposure you can get

allergies weither your atopic or not.

if atopic it probably takes alot less to become allergic to something.

if you have food allergies you probably have other allergies.

there can be cross-reactivity with proteins, where you might show allergy

symptoms to things that have the same type proteins.

high dose exposures can cause immune disfunction and or autoimmunity.

I think it's when the immune disfunctions accure that you can become

allergic if your not atopic , autoimmunity, and/or intolerant, immune

disfunction.

many toxins are antigen presented just like allergens, you can become both

allergic and non-allergic/intolerant to those toxins.

the danger model explains that our bodies reconize danger signals.

danger signals can be from both environmental toxins or toxins from our own

cells,released as in autoimmunity.

so in a high dose exposure in a WDB you can be getting exposure to high amounts

of proteins, and environmental toxins and toxins released by your own cells.

I think you may also become allergic to other things during your WDB exposure

because of 1. cross reactivity, 2. based more so on immune function/disfunction.

molecular mimicry is discribed as autoimmunity, molecular mimicry is when

environmental molds and human fungi are reconized by the body as same. the

immune system attacks both because it cant reconize the differences. I think

this plays a big role with high dose exposures in WDB's and maybe why some

become allergic when they are not atopic.

than the macrophages go to the dark side which basicly means you not have immune

disfunctions and the kind of inflammatory disorder known as CIRS. not a good

inflammatory responce that heals with healing, a bad one that causes more damage

to tissues.

I didn't become either allergic or non-allergic, intolerant with my first

exposure, but became both in my second exposure.

I no doubt was to some extent sensatized by things involved in my first

exposure, sensory wise, but I become both allergic and a

full blown MCS'ER during my second exposure.

I had stomach affects during my first exposure,chronic dierrhea basicly just

because of the exposure in there was no specific foods that caused it, it was

everytime I ate.

the second exposure brought on both allergic and non-allergic reactions to

specific foods according to weither there was some non-allergic something in

them I was now reactive to in small amounts or something I was now allergic to

in small amounts.

why some become allergic when not atopic , from WDB exposures and some dont may

just depend on the exposure and nothing else.

now you can get MCS, non-allergic intolerance to toxins and some can get

allergic sensitivities right along with this and a allergy is not just a simple

runny nose and sneezing when your immune system has gone haywire, it becomes

something not so different from what MCS'er experience from a toxic reaction.

they can go hand and hand, better known as anaphalaxtic and

anaphalaxtoid<spelling.

in the WDB exposure when things go systemic so does allergy.

MCS actually started out as being thought of as both allergic and non-allergic

sensitivities, now we know they can be either or both involved. so just like

the term SBS has a bad rap, so does MCS because of history of what these terms

first ment.

to me the term MCS relates more to the sensory system alone but

thats not the only system it involves. however that is the main system

involvement when it comes to sensory reactions to chemicals,voc's. but there can

be tissue damage involved too.

olfactory involvement, but the more damage to even this area the more it also

plays in with allergy issues as well as toxic reactions.

I can have both a all ergic and non-allergic reaction in my gut not only with

consumed foods but also from breathing those things I am both allergic and/or

intolerant of.

why I said that MCS, when it comes to TE and CIRS becomes like a symptom of

these condictions is based on organ and tissue damage,immune disfunction and

inflammation gone wild.

it is looked at as overlapping diseases because they can be seperate but that is

based on the level of organ damage and immune function.

both MCS and TE involved some level of organ/tissue damage.

so, while I can be diagnosed with MCS it's basicly a symptom of, because I have

TE and CIRS.

becoming allergic on top of all this to me can most be discribed as having many

more things you can have horiable,scary reactions to, on top of everything else

and a whole lot more inflammation issues because it is systemic and the immune

system has become foe not friend.

just my way of seeing things.

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> Wondering if anyone here can explain why and or how food allergies can be

caused by mold illness/exposure?

>

> thanks, Ian

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[Guest guest]

in other words, MCS and TE, with WDB exposures pretty much are the same illness

but with different levels of damage.

to me, a diagnoses of MCS falls short when it comes to WDB exposures in

reaconizing the level of organ damage and what role this plays exspecially with

the CIRS.

while MCS may include inflammation,sensory disfunction,ect. it falls short of

considering actual organ damage and the inflammation gone wild that these

damaged organs now suffer.

which can be multi-organ and actually probably in most cases tottal organ

involvement which TE better covers.

so for many of us, we could get diagnosed with MCS but we probably have TE.

truely a diagnoses of MCS fall short, but getting a diagnoses of MCS still is a

partial diagnoses of WDB exposure, it just cant stand alone with this, it puts

you in a catagory thats can be anywhere from mild to severe sensitivies and mild

to severe reactions but may be looked at on the milder side because many people

can relate to being sensitive to certain things,smells,foods, yet they are

nowhere close to the level of injury we suffer.

anyone can have some type of reaction to a chemical exposure, headake, sinus

pain, felling a little dizzy,ect. even that is a difference between have a

sensitivity and haveing MCS.

many times when I first tried explaining my reactivity issues with family or

friends, they would comment " yes,I cant stand that smell either " " gives me a

headake " things like that and they think they understand and thats why they just

dont get it on that level.

they dont get that it's way much more with us at very much lower amounts. they

cant see the difference in what they might experience

and how our reactions are way more involved and with tiny amount exposures that

they might not even notice are in their environment, or might not even smell.

MCS basic points to sensory, chemical sensitivities, without fully reconizing

the multi-organ damage involvement and the role that ends up playing. it does

fall short but still a diagnoses of it should lend credablity to the fact that

you have suffered injury from your exposure.

and yes, I think it would help if a paper was writen conserning this subject.

the level of damages which can be different with everybody needs to be fully

reaconized because it makes a hudge difference in treatment and recovery. not

ony one protocal can cure, and for some of us a cure might be very difficult or

imposable. so than it's comes down to management and the worse your injured that

harder that becomes.

[Guest guest]

Thank you. I have grown weary of everyone on this forum using MCS. MCS cannot

be supported by any diagnostic criteria. It is not accepted as an illness and

you will lose in court if this term is used. However, you may be able to

qualify for social security benefits only after long battles with the S.S.

system and its so called experts. TE and WDB can be defined by diagnostics.

People with TE and WDB have chemical sensitivity as a result of chronic

inflammation and in ability to detoxify the inhaled toxins.

[] Re: food allergy

in other words, MCS and TE, with WDB exposures pretty much are the same

illness but with different levels of damage.

to me, a diagnoses of MCS falls short when it comes to WDB exposures in

reaconizing the level of organ damage and what role this plays exspecially with

the CIRS.

[Guest guest]

your welcome, and I do understand your view, but maybe only because I understand

better than most the role actual tissue and organ damage plays here and that TE

and CIRS are the terms we should be useing.

I also understand when refering to chemical sensitivies thats the term we should

use, not MCS.

I understand that MCS is not supported by any diagnostic criteria,but you can

get dianosed with it. all our experts now diagnose TE, but theres doctors out

there that are diagnosing MCS and if someone from WDB exposure goes to one of

those doctors, thats what those doctors are going to see and diagnose. seems a

paper writen this subject

alone would help alot. (hint)

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

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> Thank you. I have grown weary of everyone on this forum using MCS. MCS

cannot be supported by any diagnostic criteria. It is not accepted as an illness

and you will lose in court if this term is used. However, you may be able to

qualify for social security benefits only after long battles with the S.S.

system and its so called experts. TE and WDB can be defined by diagnostics.

People with TE and WDB have chemical sensitivity as a result of chronic

inflammation and in ability to detoxify the inhaled toxins.

>