Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Hi Dr Thrasher, How are you ?? Thank you very much for clarifying about MCS in a court with a WDB................. yet however it can be used in disability cases. It is a shame because it has been recognized in other countries but then I guess big Chem doesn't have a hold like here. I was able to get my SS based on MCS without an attorney on my own and it took me after the initial problems 8 months or so to do so. It would have taken me less but I had no means to do paper and such which I do not tolerate at all. Thanks to a friend who handled that part of it for me. I got my disability based on MCS as it states on my SS letter. I had spoken with attorneys not knowledgeable in my area and they were all quite useless so I decided to it myself, rather than be more aggravated by them and ignorance. Really from many others with MCS I have spoken to they use MCS only inside the community and not in other arena's due to the problems encountered with the term. ________________________________ From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 2:04:28 PM Subject: Re: [] Re: food allergy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 But they do recognize organ damage with MCS. Many with MCS do not feel they also have TE only some. CIRS I think we have Over-lapping Syndromes not just CIRS since many have multiple diseases as a result of CIRS , then there maybe overlapping not that one is the other. IMO ________________________________ From: osisposis <jeaninem660@...> Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 12:19:45 PM Subject: [] Re: food allergy in other words, MCS and TE, with WDB exposures pretty much are the same illness but with different levels of damage. to me, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 I agree more papers need to be written, more studies need to be done. I think CIRS leads in WDB to a host of others diseases. IMO Toxic Injury would be inclusive of both TE and MCS and any other TI that may occur threw chemical, solvent, gas or any other exposures. God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: osisposis <jeaninem660@...> Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 3:07:01 PM Subject: [] Re: food allergy your welcome, and I do understand your view, but maybe only because I understand better than most the role actual tissue and organ damage plays here and that TE and CIRS are the terms we should be useing. I also understand when refering to chemical sensitivies thats the term we should use, not MCS. I understand that MCS is not supported by any diagnostic criteria,but you can get dianosed with it. all our experts now diagnose TE, but theres doctors out there that are diagnosing MCS and if someone from WDB exposure goes to one of those doctors, thats what those doctors are going to see and diagnose. seems a paper writen this subject alone would help alot. (hint) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 do we really have mutiple overlapping diseases? or do we have mutiple organ damage and CIRS? if someone doesn't fell like they have CIRS and TE, what can I say, give it time? or thank your lucky stars and hopfully with practicing advoidance and time you may heal because you may have a pretty mild level of organ damage and inflammatory issues and maybe your immune system didn't get tottally wacked and if you quickly get in gear with practicing advoidance , give your body a chance to heal and some time and if your still at a healable stage you may heal. and for gods sake dont go running around like a idiot shoving everything into your system that someone say helps because theres now a very thin line between the benifits advoidance and over kill of things your trying that may in combination or even to much of any one thing that may be hindering, not helping. I'm not sure I can explain any other way. > > But they do recognize organ damage with MCS. > > Many with MCS do not feel they also have TE only some. > > CIRS I think we have Over-lapping Syndromes not just CIRS since many have > multiple diseases as a result of CIRS , then there maybe overlapping not that > one is the other. IMO > > ________________________________ > From: osisposis <jeaninem660@...> > > Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 12:19:45 PM > Subject: [] Re: food allergy > > > in other words, MCS and TE, with WDB exposures pretty much are the same illness > but with different levels of damage. > > to me, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 If they have not had appropriate neuropsychological and neurophysiological testing they cannot say they do not have brain damage. [] Re: food allergy in other words, MCS and TE, with WDB exposures pretty much are the same illness but with different levels of damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 The chemistry industry has introduced the term idiopathic chemical sensitivity. They have done everything possible to instill this into the medical profession, which has bought their claims. Re: [] Re: food allergy Thank you very much for clarifying about MCS in a court with a WDB................. yet however it can be used in disability cases. It is a shame because it has been recognized in other countries but then I guess big Chem doesn't have a hold like here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Thank you that is helpful too !! I had the testing done, so I do know I have damage. Others should get tested at least this test is not a struggle to get done. God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 7:56:37 PM Subject: Re: [] Re: food allergy If they have not had appropriate neuropsychological and neurophysiological testing they cannot say they do not have brain damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 I agree it is always an opposer the makes life difficult for everyone. Just so they do not have to pay damages. More so apparently in USA since in other countries MCS is accepted. Take Japan for instance. If it is not Big Ins, Big Chem or Big Pharma always a problem. God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 7:58:33 PM Subject: Re: [] Re: food allergy The chemistry industry has introduced the term idiopathic chemical sensitivity. They have done everything possible to instill this into the medical profession, which has bought their claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 YES, Give it time, keep exposing yourself and thinking other exposures are nothing. That weakened trigeminal nerve will give in at some point. The ones I speak of not (?) exposed to WDB only other toxins. very true when taking things, know what you are taking and how even if natural will help or hinder something else you are taking. ex. If you have a Vit K problem you do not go and take Vit E. counter productive. For others combos work, as do calcium and magnesium together. etc. God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: osisposis <jeaninem660@...> Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 7:26:35 PM Subject: [] Re: food allergy do we really have mutiple overlapping diseases? or do we have mutiple organ damage and CIRS? if someone doesn't fell like they have CIRS and TE, what can I say, give it time? or thank your lucky stars and hopfully with practicing advoidance and time you may heal because you may have a pretty mild level of organ damage and inflammatory issues and maybe your immune system didn't get tottally wacked and if you quickly get in gear with practicing advoidance , give your body a chance to heal and some time and if your still at a healable stage you may heal. and for gods sake dont go running around like a idiot shoving everything into your system that someone say helps because theres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 and I should have said mutiple organ and system damage and CIRS. > > do we really have mutiple overlapping diseases? or do we have mutiple organ damage and CIRS? > if someone doesn't fell like they have CIRS and TE, what can I say, give it time? or thank your lucky stars and > hopfully with practicing advoidance and time you may heal because you may have a pretty mild level of organ damage and inflammatory issues and maybe your immune system didn't get tottally wacked and if you quickly get in gear with practicing advoidance , give your body a chance to heal and some time and if your still at a healable stage you may heal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Hi Mayleen- I must second this as well. I had just enough diagnostic criteria align with with credible medical evidence to support a favorable SSDI award primarily based on CFS but also ended up including MCS in the award terminology. One huge reason for my favorable award was no doubt linked to a very well respected Occupational Health Clincal Center practitioner versed at providing compelling testimony and documentation that makes it difficult for a judge to deny. But I also must give a gateful nod to my judge who was awesome, such a kind and compassionate man. Contrary to most stories, my court experience was very different from some of the war stories I have heard. Either way, every month when the check hits my account, I feel such a sense of gratitude to a great doc, great lawyer and wonderful judge. Kathy >Thanks to a friend who handled that part of it for me. I got my disability based on MCS as it states on my SS letter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 > > Hi Dr Thrasher, > > Thank you very much for clarifying about MCS in a court with a > WDB................. yet however it can be used in disability cases. It is a > shame because it has been recognized in other countries but then I guess big > Chem doesn't have a hold like here. > > I think I agree, I would not say MCS to anyone else. I use Chemical/mold injury. I usually say I was made very sick working in a moldy room and was further inured by the chemicals they used to hide the mold. Is the a proper way to address this curse? Meredith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 --- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> wrote: > > If they have not had appropriate neuropsychological and neurophysiological testing they cannot say they do not have brain damage. > I tried to get testing done that was recomennded by Sr. Heuser but to no avail. IS there any test for thoses that you could recommend? I saw a neurologist who after 10 minutes decided I was dandy. I asked if he could do the sway test as my vertigo was terrible but he ssid it was not necessary. I gues I should have fallen over in his office! Meredith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 I have read similar information. Makes sense to me too. ap ---From: barb b w I'm beginning to think food allergies are due to the health of your gut...what the make up is of what is growing in your gut..what the mix is..whether you have leaky gut or not, etc. I have read that and it makes sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I appreciated this explanation Barb, thanks. anita ---From: barb b w p.s. From the animation I saw and also Croft's description and some other sources, my own ENT, the gi tract is lined with cilia which makes inside surface look to me somewhat like carpet pile, they are tightly together fibers that stick upward. On top of that is a mucous layer, which is really a biofilm, hopefully a biofilm of beneficial bacteria. The moisture in your mouth is a biofilm of beneficial bacteria. Of course if candida takes over it is biofilm of candida partly, i.e. thrush. Anyway, as your gut degrades from a variety of assaults, one being taking antibacterials and from toxins. Those are two, this biofilm degrades, and also cilia is damaged so maybe like a carpet with fibers wearing thin so that the back of carpet is easily reached or seen, so this layer of protection of cilia and mucous membrane are gone. That to my explanation is what causes leaky gut. Croft says cilia will not regenerate but you could get the mucous membrane back of beneficial bacteria. Where the cilia are gone, you will not absorb nutrients. Where barrier is not there, molecules will pass through barrier that should be protected but is not, allowing molecules to pass into blood stream that shouldn't go there. The protein molecules that pass through unhindered are the ones that cause an allergic reaction. Of course other things that pass through leaky gut can cause trouble also. Toxins could pass directly into blood stream there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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