Re: Packing

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the tips, y! I'm packing today, travelling tomorrow - have to travel as light as possible. I'll have 2 shoulder-bags (not suitcase).

I'll be going no-mail in about 24 hours from now - won't have email while I'm away, but HOPE to be back home about a week later. (not looking forward to the 3-hour ambulance ride!) My surgery is Wed 21 July. I'll be back on list as soon as I can sit at my computer, and will catch up then.

Best wishes to all.

Margaret in Israel

Blessings as you go, Margaret. I will be thinking of you perhaps as I go.

I was thinking about packing as I got up this morning. I guess I should be

getting at it. LOL I am scheduled third in line, to be in surgery somewhere around 11:00 AM EST. What time are you, do you know? I found out this time that they are to do an epidural and will use cement.

Marge

He lives!

[Guest guest]

Hi, Gals!

I'm 48 days out from under the Wizard of OS's knife, and it appeared

that I am surviving fairly well. I have survived, it appears, and the

chances are that you will, too. I find that I am walking around the

house now without an visible or invisible means of support, such as

canes or crutches.

I urge you to do as much physiotherapy as you can after your funtime

with the surgeon. You need to get the muscles back in functioning

order in order to function well--sort of a truism.

Don't expect a picnic, but don't expect perpetual torture. Think of it

as one of life's numerous adventures, one that many of us, it appears,

have been going through these days.

I wish you both the best.

Courage,

Je t'embrasse,

Staninfrance

> Thanks for the tips, y! I'm packing today, travelling tomorrow

- have to travel as light as possible. I'll have 2 shoulder-bags (not

suitcase).

>

> I'll be going no-mail in about 24 hours from now - won't have email

while I'm away, but HOPE to be back home about a week later. (not

looking forward to the 3-hour ambulance ride!) My surgery is Wed 21

July. I'll be back on list as soon as I can sit at my computer, and

will catch up then.

> Best wishes to all.

> Margaret in Israel

> Blessings as you go, Margaret. I will be thinking of you perhaps as

I go.

> I was thinking about packing as I got up this morning. I guess I

should be

> getting at it. LOL I am scheduled third in line, to be in surgery

somewhere around 11:00 AM EST. What time are you, do you know? I

found out this time that they are to do an epidural and will use

cement.

> Marge

> He lives!

[Guest guest]

Tutti

I have found that I can use my grabber quite well to aid me in

dressing.

The grabber is a great thing. It enabled me to grab the pretty French

nurses that passed by. Some nurses are male, so you may find a similar

use! (Just kidding)

Staninfr

> In a message dated 7/18/2004 12:30:27 AM Central Standard Time,

> margaret@a... writes:

> What's a dressing stick? I already have the other irems.

>

> _____

> A relatively useless wooden stick with a curved hook at one end and

something

> like a sharper hook at the other end. I don't recall seeing many

people use

> it. If we had an O.T. on the list, I'm sure they could help tell

you.

> y

[Guest guest]

Hi Sally,

Thanks! and good luck to you too. Yes, the final days are jittery! Tonight is my last pre-op night at home - and I keep thinking, have I forgotten anything? Like you, my fears are less about the surgery itself, but how I'm going to feel and manage afterwards. I did a large load of food-shopping today - so I'm stocked up for a siege! And I had that hair cut.

I've booked my taxi for tomorrow, to take me to the hotel in Jerusalem where I'll be staying the night before my admission. And I've found a friend who is willing to travel to Jerusalem and ride back home with me in the ambulance on the day I'm discharged - that's a great relief! So the logistics are taken care of, as far as I can. It's worse than getting ready for a trip abroad!

Wishing you all the best - and looking forward to comparing experiences afterwards!

Margaret

----- Original Message -----

From: Sally Eller

Good luck, Margaret!I'm sure you will do fine (and me, too) but these preop days are jittery, arent' they? I am not worried about the surgery, pain, etc. but rather about being prepared to make the recovery as smooth and fast as possible.And I totally agree about the hair cut! AND I am getting my Standard Poodles groomed very short --- that will make life easier!I will be eager to hear how it all goes for you!Sally in the Finger Lakas

[Guest guest]

Thanks Marge, and good luck to you too. I don't know the time of my surgery yet. Only that it is some time Wednesday. My time zone is GMT+3 hours (normally +2, but we're on summer time now.) I guess that's 8 hours ahead of you?

I haven't started my packing yet either! - will have time tomorrow morning before the taxi comes.

Margaret in Israel

----- Original Message -----

From: marge

Blessings as you go, Margaret. I will be thinking of you perhaps as I go.

I was thinking about packing as I got up this morning. I guess I should be

getting at it. LOL I am scheduled third in line, to be in surgery somewhere around 11:00 AM EST. What time are you, do you know? I found out this time that they are to do an epidural and will use cement.

Marge

He lives!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/18/2004 9:50:05 AM Central Standard Time, sallyeller@... writes:

Are we allowed to sit in the shower or is standing better? I will have a 6.5 step up and over the rim, but that can't be changed.

_____

You can definately sit in the shower......get one of the shower chairs. I like the ones with a back on them....makes me feel more secure. The legs are adjustable. Getting over the rim can be fun......be sure and have them practice that with you in rehab.

y

[Guest guest]

HEY Margaret--you are on a roll. You have done a wonderful job!

I thought you might be amused at what is in store for me. I have to be at a daughter's house--a half hour away from my home--well before 5:30 tomorrow morning. Her husband has Lyme disease and needs to see his doctor before I am totally out of commission. Why me? Because I am the only person on the face of the earth who has guts enough to stay with seven of her kids while they both are gone from home. I rather imagine she will take the nursing two month old with her. She has to be back in time for me to go to rehab at 1:30. Then I will get my nails done somewhere. LOL With clear polish as instructed. Another daughter is coming from five states away to sit up all night with me at the hospital. She will arrive that evening.

On Tuesday, I will pack and have a gathering of the clan at a nearby restaurant for supper. I do not think I am going to have much time to get jittery any more. I am to present my body at the hospital at 7 AM Wednesday morning, and come back when it is finished, a la Bob. vaya con Dios.

Marge

Hi Sally,

Thanks! and good luck to you too. Yes, the final days are jittery! Tonight is my last pre-op night at home - and I keep thinking, have I forgotten anything? Like you, my fears are less about the surgery itself, but how I'm going to feel and manage afterwards. I did a large load of food-shopping today - so I'm stocked up for a siege! And I had that hair cut.

I've booked my taxi for tomorrow, to take me to the hotel in Jerusalem where I'll be staying the night before my admission. And I've found a friend who is willing to travel to Jerusalem and ride back home with me in the ambulance on the day I'm discharged - that's a great relief! So the logistics are taken care of, as far as I can. It's worse than getting ready for a trip abroad!

Wishing you all the best - and looking forward to comparing experiences afterwards!

Margaret

[Guest guest]

Tutti

Worry all you want about what you are going to do after you return

home, but...the worrying won't accomplish much.

I found that after I returned home (alone in the house), I just took

one thing at a time. It wasn't easy, but I'm still living to tell that

I survived. Life has its challenging moments, and this is one of those

moments. As I said, try to think of it as an adventure. Writing about

your feelings and experiences might help--something like therapy.

Success!

Staninfrance

>

> HEY Margaret--you are on a roll. You have done a wonderful job!

> I thought you might be amused at what is in store for me. I have to

be at a daughter's house--a half hour away from my home--well before

5:30 tomorrow morning. Her husband has Lyme disease and needs to see

his doctor before I am totally out of commission. Why me? Because I

am the only person on the face of the earth who has guts enough to

stay with seven of her kids while they both are gone from home. I

rather imagine she will take the nursing two month old with her. She

has to be back in time for me to go to rehab at 1:30. Then I will get

my nails done somewhere. LOL With clear polish as instructed.

Another daughter is coming from five states away to sit up all night

with me at the hospital. She will arrive that evening.

>

> On Tuesday, I will pack and have a gathering of the clan at a

nearby restaurant for supper. I do not think I am going to have much

time to get jittery any more. I am to present my body at the hospital

at 7 AM Wednesday morning, and come back when it is finished, a la

Bob.

> vaya con Dios.

> Marge

> Hi Sally,

> Thanks! and good luck to you too. Yes, the final days are jittery!

Tonight is my last pre-op night at home - and I keep thinking, have I

forgotten anything? Like you, my fears are less about the surgery

itself, but how I'm going to feel and manage afterwards. I did a large

load of food-shopping today - so I'm stocked up for a siege! And I had

that hair cut.

> I've booked my taxi for tomorrow, to take me to the hotel in

Jerusalem where I'll be staying the night before my admission. And

I've found a friend who is willing to travel to Jerusalem and ride

back home with me in the ambulance on the day I'm discharged - that's

a great relief! So the logistics are taken care of, as far as I can.

It's worse than getting ready for a trip abroad!

>

> Wishing you all the best - and looking forward to comparing

experiences afterwards!

>

> Margaret

[Guest guest]

To those of you about to go under the knife: Loads of luck!! I'm now 8 weeks post-op, and definitely beginning to feel "normal" again. There is life after surgery. Solve one problem at a time as it arises. Take it easy, and be good to yourself. Charlotte in CTStan <sagebush2020@...> wrote:

TuttiWorry all you want about what you are going to do after you return home, but...the worrying won't accomplish much.I found that after I returned home (alone in the house), I just took one thing at a time. It wasn't easy, but I'm still living to tell that I survived. Life has its challenging moments, and this is one of those moments. As I said, try to think of it as an adventure. Writing about your feelings and experiences might help--something like therapy.Success!Staninfrance> > HEY Margaret--you are on a roll. You have done a wonderful job! > I thought you might be amused at what is in store for me. I have to be at a daughter's house--a half hour away from my home--well before 5:30

tomorrow morning. Her husband has Lyme disease and needs to see his doctor before I am totally out of commission. Why me? Because I am the only person on the face of the earth who has guts enough to stay with seven of her kids while they both are gone from home. I rather imagine she will take the nursing two month old with her. She has to be back in time for me to go to rehab at 1:30. Then I will get my nails done somewhere. LOL With clear polish as instructed. Another daughter is coming from five states away to sit up all night with me at the hospital. She will arrive that evening. > > On Tuesday, I will pack and have a gathering of the clan at a nearby restaurant for supper. I do not think I am going to have much time to get jittery any more. I am to present my body at the hospital at 7 AM Wednesday morning, and come back when it

is finished, a la Bob. > vaya con Dios.> Marge> Hi Sally,> Thanks! and good luck to you too. Yes, the final days are jittery! Tonight is my last pre-op night at home - and I keep thinking, have I forgotten anything? Like you, my fears are less about the surgery itself, but how I'm going to feel and manage afterwards. I did a large load of food-shopping today - so I'm stocked up for a siege! And I had that hair cut.> I've booked my taxi for tomorrow, to take me to the hotel in Jerusalem where I'll be staying the night before my admission. And I've found a friend who is willing to travel to Jerusalem and ride back home with me in the ambulance on the day I'm discharged - that's a great relief! So the logistics are taken care of, as far as I can. It's worse than getting ready for a trip abroad!> > Wishing you all the best - and looking forward to comparing

experiences afterwards!> > Margaret

[Guest guest]

Marge - wow, that is a complicated programme! Glad you're managing to fit the surgery in somewhere around all those other commitments! At least I only have myself to worry about for these few days.

My cousin in England had TRHR 4 days ago - I phoned her at the clinic yesterday evening and spoke with her - she sounded great, feeling well and optimistic - encouraging for me! She's 75.

I hope all goes well with yours, Marge. We'll compare notes on the "other side".

All the best,

Margaret

Re: Re: Packing

HEY Margaret--you are on a roll. You have done a wonderful job!

I thought you might be amused at what is in store for me. I have to be at a daughter's house--a half hour away from my home--well before 5:30 tomorrow morning. Her husband has Lyme disease and needs to see his doctor before I am totally out of commission. Why me? Because I am the only person on the face of the earth who has guts enough to stay with seven of her kids while they both are gone from home. I rather imagine she will take the nursing two month old with her. She has to be back in time for me to go to rehab at 1:30. Then I will get my nails done somewhere. LOL With clear polish as instructed. Another daughter is coming from five states away to sit up all night with me at the hospital. She will arrive that evening.

On Tuesday, I will pack and have a gathering of the clan at a nearby restaurant for supper. I do not think I am going to have much time to get jittery any more. I am to present my body at the hospital at 7 AM Wednesday morning, and come back when it is finished, a la Bob. vaya con Dios.

Marge

[Guest guest]

Jackie...

Wishing you all the best. Please let us know how everything goes.

Oh, I brought warmer socks cause those booties they give you are never

warm enough.

Debi

>

> I am packing for my trip to hospital. I am taking my knitting and

> ipod. Any suggestions on what I will need?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jackie, Did you pack a tootbush and robe I had my operations six years ago a hip replacement and four years ago a knee replacement for the hospital I didn't need that much when I went to the Nurseing home I needed my clothes then I was their for two weeks not good for people who have replacements . Well I wish you the best of luck and a speedy recovery . Well you take care and have a nice weekend. SusieJackie Crosby <mrsjac2001@...> wrote: I am packing for my trip to hospital. I am taking my knitting andipod. Any suggestions on what I will

need?

[Guest guest]

Hi

Perhaps he meant he didn't say anything about removing the packing, rather than not putting any in there in the first place. There is a gel-like packing you could have had... or at least one which dissolves into a gel and which then discharges from the ear almost like infected pus. Did you have any discharge at and for any time after surgery? That could be the answer.

Just a thought.

Kazzy :-)

Packing

Hi,I posted a while back about my cholesteatoma possibly being back from what the MRI showed and that my doctor doesn't think it is. I still haven't gotten a second opinion yet because of some health problems with my husbands parents and that I really don't know who else i can see without having to travel very far. The Otologist I use is the only one in this area and he is considered to be "the best in the field" by all the ENT's around here. Which I have never doubted him until now. One thing I have read is that everyone who has this surgery has packing put in after surgery. Well I didn't. My husband said that when he talked to him after surgery he told him I had packing and that he would remove it when I had my post-op visit. My sister and her husband were there and they confirmed that he said that. So I was thinking all the time I had packing and would have it removed when I went back. Well, we asked him at the post-op visit wasn't he going to remove the packing and he said he didn't use any. We told him what he said to my husband and he just said he didn't say that, and that was that. I was wondering if it was because the C-Toma was in the Mastoid area and maybe that was why he didn't use any or what. Has anyone else had a C-Toma removed and not had packing used? My husband said I should have really pressed him on the subject, but I was just glad to have it out and not to have any complications, so I just let it go. Anyway, any advice would be helpful and if anyone has had the surgery and not had packing could you let me know. I guess this is kinda freaking me out a little. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi

>

> Perhaps he meant he didn't say anything about removing the

packing, rather than not putting any in there in the first place.

There is a gel-like packing you could have had... or at least one

which dissolves into a gel and which then discharges from the ear

almost like infected pus. Did you have any discharge at and for any

time after surgery? That could be the answer.

>

> Just a thought.

>

> Kazzy :-)

>

>

> Packing

>

>

> Hi,

> I posted a while back about my cholesteatoma possibly being back

> from what the MRI showed and that my doctor doesn't think it is.

I

> still haven't gotten a second opinion yet because of some health

> problems with my husbands parents and that I really don't know

who

> else i can see without having to travel very far. The Otologist

I

> use is the only one in this area and he is considered to be " the

> best in the field " by all the ENT's around here. Which I have

never

> doubted him until now.

> One thing I have read is that everyone who has this surgery has

> packing put in after surgery. Well I didn't. My husband said

that

> when he talked to him after surgery he told him I had packing

and

> that he would remove it when I had my post-op visit. My sister

and

> her husband were there and they confirmed that he said that. So

I

> was thinking all the time I had packing and would have it

removed

> when I went back. Well, we asked him at the post-op visit wasn't

he

> going to remove the packing and he said he didn't use any. We

told

> him what he said to my husband and he just said he didn't say

that,

> and that was that. I was wondering if it was because the C-Toma

was

> in the Mastoid area and maybe that was why he didn't use any or

> what. Has anyone else had a C-Toma removed and not had packing

used?

> My husband said I should have really pressed him on the subject,

but

> I was just glad to have it out and not to have any

complications, so

> I just let it go.

> Anyway, any advice would be helpful and if anyone has had the

> surgery and not had packing could you let me know. I guess this

is

> kinda freaking me out a little. Thanks.

>

>

Hi Kazzy,

Yeah, I've read about the gel packing. I haven't had anything come

out of my ear since the surgery. I just don't understand how I could

have had the surgery and he didn't have to put packing in.

Especially after reading all the messages I've read on here and

everyone else seems to have had it. It really has me curious and

worried. He also didn't see any need to do another MRI or CT Scan

for two years. Considering the fact that thats the only way they

knew it was there in the first place I wanted to at least repeat the

scans within the year just to be safe. The only way I got an MRI

when the symptoms returned was because i went to the ER in severe

pain and they ordered one. I don't know what to do.

[Guest guest]

I don't remember someone not having packing, my only

guess would be that the doc had a reason not to put it

in. The packing itself has antibiotics in the gel

they use plus the packing helps keep things in place

while healing. Just ask the Doc as to why not any

packing, he should be able to explain it....

tom hansen

--- gingerale39111 <bkb369@...> wrote:

> Hi,

> I posted a while back about my cholesteatoma

> possibly being back

> from what the MRI showed and that my doctor doesn't

> think it is. I

> still haven't gotten a second opinion yet because of

> some health

> problems with my husbands parents and that I really

> don't know who

> else i can see without having to travel very far.

> The Otologist I

> use is the only one in this area and he is

> considered to be " the

> best in the field " by all the ENT's around here.

> Which I have never

> doubted him until now.

> One thing I have read is that everyone who has this

> surgery has

> packing put in after surgery. Well I didn't. My

> husband said that

> when he talked to him after surgery he told him I

> had packing and

> that he would remove it when I had my post-op visit.

> My sister and

> her husband were there and they confirmed that he

> said that. So I

> was thinking all the time I had packing and would

> have it removed

> when I went back. Well, we asked him at the post-op

> visit wasn't he

> going to remove the packing and he said he didn't

> use any. We told

> him what he said to my husband and he just said he

> didn't say that,

> and that was that. I was wondering if it was because

> the C-Toma was

> in the Mastoid area and maybe that was why he didn't

> use any or

> what. Has anyone else had a C-Toma removed and not

> had packing used?

> My husband said I should have really pressed him on

> the subject, but

> I was just glad to have it out and not to have any

> complications, so

> I just let it go.

> Anyway, any advice would be helpful and if anyone

> has had the

> surgery and not had packing could you let me know. I

> guess this is

> kinda freaking me out a little. Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

You should of had some sort of packing...odd. Not even a cipro-soaked wad of cotton? The doctor that did my first mastoidectomy (a real quack, not associated with Michigan Ear or U of M) packed mine full of cipro drops behind the ear drum, left a hole to ventilate, then packed the outside with some kind of cipro soaked wadding - which he removed a week later. I'd give it more time (2 to 3 months, depending on your age and health). I'm trying the patience method myself. Take care. - Culp gingerale39111 <bkb369@...> wrote: Hi,I posted a while back about my cholesteatoma possibly being back from what the MRI showed and that my doctor doesn't think it is. I still haven't gotten a second opinion yet because of some health problems with my husbands parents and that I really don't know who else i can see without having to travel very far. The Otologist I use is the only one in this area and he is considered to be "the best in the field" by all the ENT's around here. Which I have never doubted him until now. One thing I have read is that everyone who has this surgery has packing put in after surgery. Well I didn't. My husband said that when he talked to him after surgery he told him I had packing and that he would remove it when I had my post-op visit. My sister and her husband were there and they confirmed that he

said that. So I was thinking all the time I had packing and would have it removed when I went back. Well, we asked him at the post-op visit wasn't he going to remove the packing and he said he didn't use any. We told him what he said to my husband and he just said he didn't say that, and that was that. I was wondering if it was because the C-Toma was in the Mastoid area and maybe that was why he didn't use any or what. Has anyone else had a C-Toma removed and not had packing used? My husband said I should have really pressed him on the subject, but I was just glad to have it out and not to have any complications, so I just let it go. Anyway, any advice would be helpful and if anyone has had the surgery and not had packing could you let me know. I guess this is kinda freaking me out a little. Thanks.

Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.

[Guest guest]

> Hi,

> I posted a while back about my cholesteatoma possibly being back

> from what the MRI showed and that my doctor doesn't think it is. I

> still haven't gotten a second opinion yet because of some health

> problems with my husbands parents and that I really don't know who

> else i can see without having to travel very far. The Otologist I

> use is the only one in this area and he is considered to be " the

> best in the field " by all the ENT's around here. Which I have

never

> doubted him until now.

> One thing I have read is that everyone who has this surgery has

> packing put in after surgery. Well I didn't. My husband said that

> when he talked to him after surgery he told him I had packing and

> that he would remove it when I had my post-op visit. My sister and

> her husband were there and they confirmed that he said that. So I

> was thinking all the time I had packing and would have it removed

> when I went back. Well, we asked him at the post-op visit wasn't

he

> going to remove the packing and he said he didn't use any. We told

> him what he said to my husband and he just said he didn't say

that,

> and that was that. I was wondering if it was because the C-Toma

was

> in the Mastoid area and maybe that was why he didn't use any or

> what. Has anyone else had a C-Toma removed and not had packing

used?

> My husband said I should have really pressed him on the subject,

but

> I was just glad to have it out and not to have any complications,

so

> I just let it go.

> Anyway, any advice would be helpful and if anyone has had the

> surgery and not had packing could you let me know. I guess this is

> kinda freaking me out a little. Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously

low rates.

>

[Guest guest]

Parotid gland problem is no fun, beleive me...the antibiotic steroid combo isnt helping me much with mine. Next appointment is on June 26 to see what happens next (I also had a call from the hospital today that did the parotid sialogram last week but they didn't leave a message - caller id showed they called. Probably taking a survey...I hope). Now my left side is becoming number (roof of my mouth, left side of tongue)...thats the side they havent worked on yet...joy. Time to meditate some more.gingerale39111 <bkb369@...> wrote: > Hi,> I posted a while back about my cholesteatoma possibly being back > from what the MRI showed and that my doctor doesn't think it is. I > still haven't gotten a second opinion yet because of some health > problems with my husbands parents and that I really don't know who > else i can see without having to travel very far. The Otologist I > use is the only one in this area and he is considered to be "the > best in the field" by all the ENT's around

here. Which I have never > doubted him until now. > One thing I have read is that everyone who has this surgery has > packing put in after surgery. Well I didn't. My husband said that > when he talked to him after surgery he told him I had packing and > that he would remove it when I had my post-op visit. My sister and > her husband were there and they confirmed that he said that. So I > was thinking all the time I had packing and would have it removed > when I went back. Well, we asked him at the post-op visit wasn't he > going to remove the packing and he said he didn't use any. We told > him what he said to my husband and he just said he didn't say that, > and that was that. I was wondering if it was because the C-Toma was > in the Mastoid area and maybe that was why he didn't use any or > what. Has anyone else had a C-Toma removed and not had packing used?

> My husband said I should have really pressed him on the subject, but > I was just glad to have it out and not to have any complications, so > I just let it go. > Anyway, any advice would be helpful and if anyone has had the > surgery and not had packing could you let me know. I guess this is > kinda freaking me out a little. Thanks.> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.>

Sports Fantasy Football ’06 - Go with the leader. Start your league today!

[Guest guest]

What is this, Cuckoos Nest redux? This is getting crazier by the day. Wrapping kids in cold wet bed-sheets? What's the point?

Why not, wrap the pediatricians that think mercury is a benign ingredient in vaccines. Start with that maniac in Philly who believes kids can stand 10,000 injections.

Harry H.AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

the psychologists are the only ones that should be wrapped in cold, wet sheets. Maybe they'll come to their senses.Holly Bortfeld <maximom@...> wrote: Oh my god, WTF? What on earth would cause someone to wrap a kid, much less an autistic kid, in cold wet bed sheets? What purpose could that possibly serve? I hope to hell that’s not

some new treatment we’ll have to fight idiot psychologists over. From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of eticSent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 7:11 PMTo:

EOHarm Subject: "Packing" Hi everybody, I am preparing a new topic for Autism One in French. Just a silly question about the "packing" "technic" (wrapping a naked child into cold wet bed-sheets...). My question is: do you know whether this technic was ever used in the English speaking

countries? Many thanks Françoise Ayzac

8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut.

[Guest guest]

Psychiatrists dominate in France and the refrigerator mother theory

prevails. Mothers of autistic children in France are suffering at the

hand of psychiatry.

On Mar 14, 2007, at 7:13 PM, Holly Bortfeld wrote:

> Oh my god, WTF?  What on earth would cause someone to wrap a kid, much

> less an autistic kid, in cold wet bed sheets?  What purpose could that

> possibly serve?  I hope to hell that’s not some new treatment we’ll

> have to fight idiot psychologists over. 

>

>  

>

>

> From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf

> Of etic

> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 7:11 PM

> EOHarm

> Subject: " Packing "

>

>  

>

> Hi everybody,

>

>  

>

> I am preparing a new topic for Autism One in French. Just a silly

> question about the " packing " " technic " (wrapping a naked child into

> cold wet bed-sheets...). My question is: do you know whether this

> technic was ever used in the English speaking countries?

>

>  

>

> Many thanks

>

>  

>

> Françoise Ayzac

>

>

J. Krakow

Attorney At Law

2001 Marcus Avenue, Suite N125

Lake Success, New York 11042

(516) 354-3300

(646) 349-1771 (fax)

(212) 227-0600 (NYC telephone)

[Guest guest]

Well, thanks for your quick answers. I was pretty sure that in spite of the English sounding name, this technic is probably a very French psy peculiarity.

<<psychologists are the only ones that should be wrapped in cold, wet sheets. Maybe they'll come to their senses.I fully agree with you. Provided they tell us how better they feel afterwards.

<<Holly Bortfeld <maximomcomcast (DOT) net> wrote: Oh my god, WTF? What on earth would cause someone to wrap a kid, much less an autistic kid, in cold wet bed sheets? What purpose could that possibly serve? I hope to hell that’s not some new treatment we’ll have to fight idiot psychologists over

The idea is that our kids are not really aware of they body's boundaries. The idea is more or less the same as Temple Grandin's "squeezing" (???) machine. The refinement is just that after feeling cold and wet, the child supposedly enjoys the feeling of warming up his sheets with his own body warmth...

Just after getting a diagnosis for my 5 year old son 5 years ago, I remember bying my first three books about autism: Bettelheim, another one about autism=childhood psychosis, and this 3rd one about the "holding" and "packing" therapies (those were more or less the only books available at my bookstore at that time). We are going ahead, and the need for education is being more and more emphasized over here. But we still have interesting official trainings taking place for professionnals were things such as psychoanalysis and packing are still presented with the same emphasis as ABA or sensory therapies.

We, as you can see, we are still far from being silly mercury freaks like you all American guys!!

Best!

Françoise

[Guest guest]

This reminds me of that Elvis/ Tyler movie, Change of

Habit. Elvis played a doctor who cured a child by holding him in

that movie. Not much chemistry between Elvis and Tyler ,

though.

Kathy

>

> A technique similar to this was used with children who

had " reactive

> attachment disorder. " This disorder is often seen in foster

children.

> Children with this disorder display behaviors similar to autistic

behaviors.

>

>

>

> When I worked in Child Protective Services/ Care I had

zealous foster

> parents implement this technique. When I was informed of this

happening I

> immediately removed the foster child and made sure these 2 idiot

foster

> parents were left with a record….which will not allow them to work

with

> children again.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On

Behalf Of

> etic

> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 6:11 PM

> EOHarm

> Subject: " Packing "

>

>

>

> Hi everybody,

>

>

>

> I am preparing a new topic for Autism One in French. Just a silly

question

> about the " packing " " technic " (wrapping a naked child into cold wet

> bed-sheets...). My question is: do you know whether this technic

was ever

> used in the English speaking countries?

>

>

>

> Many thanks

>

>

>

> Françoise Ayzac

>

[Guest guest]

Where in darnation did you come up with this insane idea? I doubt that it has been used with autistic kids in any country, let alone in English-speaking countries. If it has, the purveyors of this sick crap ought to be hung up by their toes, or perhaps by their balls, whatever is more uncomfortable. After a bit of a search on the Internet about this 'technique', it does seem to exist in some folks' imaginations, but I seriously hope that it is not actually being used by anyone, at least not with children with neurological problems. Aasa http://www.totse.com/en/erotica/erotic_fiction_as_to_az/awetpack.htmletic <etic38@...> wrote: Hi everybody, I am preparing a new topic for Autism One in French. Just a silly question about the "packing" "technic" (wrapping a naked child into cold wet bed-sheets...). My question is: do you know whether this technic was ever used in the English speaking countries? Many thanks Françoise Ayzac

[Guest guest]

A technique similar to this was used with children

who had “reactive attachment disorder.”  This disorder is often

seen in foster children.  Children with this disorder display behaviors similar

to autistic behaviors.

When I worked in Child Protective

Services/ Care I had zealous foster parents implement this technique.  When

I was informed of this happening I immediately removed the foster child and

made sure these 2 idiot foster parents were left with a record….which

will not allow them to work with children again.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of etic

Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007

6:11 PM

EOHarm

Subject:

" Packing "

Hi everybody,

I am preparing a new topic for Autism One in French. Just a

silly question about the " packing " " technic " (wrapping a

naked child into cold wet bed-sheets...). My question is: do you know

whether this technic was ever used in the English speaking countries?

Many thanks

Françoise Ayzac