Re: Packing

[Guest guest]

so what you are saying is that they wrap the children in wet, cold sheets so that afterwards when they take them off the children will feel good??? OK I get it now-I should hit my head with a hammer every day so when i stop it'll feel great! Guess I'll start tomorrow.etic <etic38@...> wrote: Well, thanks for your quick answers. I was pretty sure that in spite of the English sounding name, this technic is probably a very French psy peculiarity. <<psychologists are the only ones that should be wrapped in cold, wet sheets. Maybe they'll come to their senses.I fully agree with you. Provided they tell us how better they feel afterwards. <<Holly Bortfeld <maximomcomcast (DOT) net> wrote: Oh my god, WTF? What on earth would cause someone to wrap a kid, much less an autistic kid, in cold wet bed sheets? What purpose could that possibly serve? I hope to hell that’s not some new treatment we’ll have to fight idiot psychologists over The idea is that our kids are not really aware of they body's boundaries. The idea is more or less the same as Temple Grandin's "squeezing" (???) machine. The refinement is just that after feeling cold and wet, the child supposedly enjoys the feeling of warming up his sheets

with his own body warmth... Just after getting a diagnosis for my 5 year old son 5 years ago, I remember bying my first three books about autism: Bettelheim, another one about autism=childhood psychosis, and this 3rd one about the "holding" and "packing" therapies (those were more or less the only books available at my bookstore at that time). We are going ahead, and the need for education is being more and more emphasized over here. But we still have interesting official trainings taking place for professionnals were things such as psychoanalysis and packing are still presented with the same emphasis as ABA or sensory therapies. We, as you can see, we are still far from being silly mercury freaks like you all American guys!! Best! Françoise

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[Guest guest]

Now you are talking about my buddy …

I *HEART* him….

I threw out a challenge he has never

picked up –if got 10,000 vax in one day –and lived to talk about

it, I would vax my 2.5 y/o old fully. Liam is unvaxed and I am not

worried –b/c I know 10,000 vaccine would kill the MORON Offit.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of hhofher@...

Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007

8:54 PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re:

" Packing "

What is this, Cuckoos Nest redux?

This is getting crazier by the day. Wrapping kids in cold wet bed-sheets?

What's the point?

Why not, wrap the pediatricians that

think mercury is a benign ingredient in vaccines. Start with that maniac

in Philly who believes kids can stand 10,000 injections.

Harry H.

[Guest guest]

Not to say this is *at all* anything less than abuse, but could it be

using hypothermia as a treatment of autism?

Debi

>

> Hi everybody,

>

> I am preparing a new topic for Autism One in French. Just a silly

question about the " packing " " technic " (wrapping a naked child into

cold wet bed-sheets...). My question is: do you know whether this

technic was ever used in the English speaking countries?

>

> Many thanks

>

> Françoise Ayzac

>

[Guest guest]

When I read about this, I remembered hearing about a Colorado girl

that died using this therapy. I found this article. This happened

in April of 2001.

Carline

Rebirthing therapy banned after girl died in 70 minute struggle

Deborah fson

Rebirthing therapy, a controversial treatment for reactive detachment

disorder, has been banned in the US state of Colorado one year after

it resulted in the death of a 10 year old girl.

Candace Newmaker died during a 70 minute session in which she was

wrapped from head to toe and surrounded by pillows. Despite the

girl's cries that she was suffocating, the therapists continued to

push her in an attempt to simulate uterine contractions. The episode

had been videotaped and was used in court against the therapists, who

were convicted of reckless child abuse resulting in death and

sentenced to 16-48 years' imprisonment.

The law, known as Candace's law, was signed by Colorado governor Bill

Owens last week.

Candace had been diagnosed with reactive detachment disorder, a

psychiatric illness thought to be caused by the failure of normal

bonding with a parent or care giver during infancy. The disorder

shares some features with post-traumatic stress disorder and

borderline personality disorder. People at risk include adopted

children and those who have been institutionalised. Though uncommon,

it is being diagnosed with increasing frequency, and 40 centres

around the United States have sprung up specialising in its

treatment. The disorder is often treated by psychotherapists and

social workers rather than by psychiatrists. It is listed

under " other disorders of infancy, childhood or adolescence " in the

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV).

The disorder is characterised by difficulties in establishing and

maintaining trusting relationships and by emotional disturbances in

social situations. It starts before the age of 5 years. Symptoms

include failure to establish eye contact, persistent lying and

stealing, poor impulse control, cruelty to animals, and a seeming

lack of conscience. Both inhibited and disinhibited types occur. The

inhibited type avoids tactile contact, is resistant to comforting and

is hypervigilant, while the disinhibited type may be engaging and

form superficial relationships with strangers.

Conventional treatment for the disorder relies on intensive

psychotherapy with the patient and family, as well as " holding

therapy " in which the patient is hugged, held, and cuddled by the

therapist and care giver(s).

In the case of Candace Newmaker, " rebirthing therapy " was used.

Traditional rebirthing therapy is itself a fringe treatment and was

developed in the 1970s by Leonard Orr, a psychotherapist. It is

predominantly a breathing technique and rarely lasts more than 15

minutes.

The therapy used on Candace Newmaker was a variant designed to

simulate the birth process and is a type of regression therapy. Her

therapists, social workers Connell Watkins and Ponder, and two

assistants restrained the girl. Ultimately, they crushed her with a

combined weight of 304 kg, continually taunting her and exhorting her

to squeeze through and be reborn. When Candace Newmaker was unwrapped

she was cyanotic and apnoeic. Cardiopulmonary resuscitation was

started but the girl died the next day. A postmortem examination gave

the cause of death as asphyxiation.

The new Colorado law will ban all psychotherapies from using active

restraint.

>

> These are the kind of things you hear about where the kid ends up

dead and

> the parents are saying " He liked being wrapped tight, we asked him

if it was

> too tight, but he didn't answer, we didn't realized it was b/c he

was in a

> hypothermic coma and his lungs were crushed...

>

> ...mercury freaks... if you could see my eyes rolling...

>

> Re: " Packing "

>

> This reminds me of that Elvis/ Tyler movie, Change of

> Habit. Elvis played a doctor who cured a child by holding him in

> that movie. Not much chemistry between Elvis and Tyler ,

> though.

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

The worst kind of quackery.

> >

> > These are the kind of things you hear about where the kid ends up

> dead and

> > the parents are saying " He liked being wrapped tight, we asked him

> if it was

> > too tight, but he didn't answer, we didn't realized it was b/c he

> was in a

> > hypothermic coma and his lungs were crushed...

> >

> > ...mercury freaks... if you could see my eyes rolling...

> >

> > Re: " Packing "

> >

> > This reminds me of that Elvis/ Tyler movie, Change of

> > Habit. Elvis played a doctor who cured a child by holding him in

> > that movie. Not much chemistry between Elvis and Tyler ,

> > though.

> > Kathy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't be surprised. This would be a " wonderful " therapy for our children

who also

have Primary Immune Deficiencies.

This makes me want to throw the idiots implementing this into an ice fishing

hole for

about 5 minutes and see how they feel.

> >

> > Hi everybody,

> >

> > I am preparing a new topic for Autism One in French. Just a silly

> question about the " packing " " technic " (wrapping a naked child into

> cold wet bed-sheets...). My question is: do you know whether this

> technic was ever used in the English speaking countries?

> >

> > Many thanks

> >

> > Françoise Ayzac

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Grrr... I hate this.Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Trudy <trudykinsey@...>Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:19:31 -0700 (PDT)Hcv< >Subject: [ ] Packing Teri must be getting lots of boxes packed! http://facebook.com/people/andTrudy-Kinsey/1340460877 " " A well- behaved woman never made history " ...Mae Westhttp://oktravels.wordpress.comhttp://allrecipes.com/cook/TrudyK/profile.aspx

[Guest guest]

For me, I accomplished a lot. Tomorrow I have Bruce to help... actually he's home for the next 2 days so we should be in stellar shape by nightfall on Wednesday!TeriFrom: Trudy <trudykinsey@...>Hcv < >Sent: Mon, June 14, 2010 5:19:31 PMSubject: [ ] Packing

Teri must be getting lots of boxes packed!

http://facebook.com/people/andTrudy-Kinsey/1340460877 "

"A well- behaved woman never made history"...Mae West

http://oktravels.wordpress.com

http://allrecipes.com/cook/TrudyK/profile.aspx

[Guest guest]

Yea !!!http://facebook.com/people/andTrudy-Kinsey/1340460877 " "A well- behaved woman never made history"...Mae Westhttp://oktravels.wordpress.com http://allrecipes.com/cook/TrudyK/profile.aspx On Jun 15, 2010, at 1:39 AM, Teri Gottlieb <theresagottlieb@...> wrote:

For me, I accomplished a lot. Tomorrow I have Bruce to help... actually he's home for the next 2 days so we should be in stellar shape by nightfall on Wednesday!TeriFrom: Trudy <trudykinseysbcglobal (DOT) net>Hcv < >Sent: Mon, June 14, 2010 5:19:31 PMSubject: [ ] Packing

Teri must be getting lots of boxes packed!

http://facebook.com/people/andTrudy-Kinsey/1340460877 "

"A well- behaved woman never made history"...Mae West

http://oktravels.wordpress.com

http://allrecipes.com/cook/TrudyK/profile.aspx

[Guest guest]

Somehow, and I'm not really sure how, but I think Don's hair was involved, I have stopped stressing about this move. It will happen. The owners of the house signed the lease today, we get occupancy on the 25th and have to be out of here on the 30th. Going to attempt to get the movers on the 29th so we have the 30th to come back here and make this house sparkle so I can get my 2 grand security deposit back. Our only big issue is my son's car that is in our driveway and not working. He's gonna have to have that towed to the new house. And Mom isn't paying for this one!TeriFrom: Trudy <trudykinsey@...>" " < >Cc: " " < >Sent: Tue, June 15, 2010 1:56:09 AMSubject: Re: [ ] Packing

Yea !!!http://facebook. com/people/ andTrudy- Kinsey/134046087 7 " "A well- behaved woman never made history"...Mae Westhttp://oktravels. wordpress. com http://allrecipes. com/cook/ TrudyK/profile. aspx On Jun 15, 2010, at 1:39 AM, Teri Gottlieb <theresagottlieb> wrote:

For me, I accomplished a lot. Tomorrow I have Bruce to help... actually he's home for the next 2 days so we should be in stellar shape by nightfall on Wednesday!TeriFrom: Trudy <trudykinsey@ sbcglobal. net>To:

Hcv < >Sent: Mon, June 14, 2010 5:19:31 PMSubject: [ ] Packing

Teri must be getting lots of boxes packed!

http://facebook. com/people/ andTrudy- Kinsey/134046087 7 "

"A well- behaved woman never made history"...Mae West

http://oktravels. wordpress. com

http://allrecipes. com/cook/ TrudyK/profile. aspx

[Guest guest]

Be strong, Tug. You have many many people here cheering you on ......

This is tough, but you are tougher. You will get around this mountain...I am so

sorry that you are having to go through this alone, without your GF. I feel your

pain and know how difficult it is.

You can lean this way, whenever you need. I am so sorry that life has been so

difficult. There is nothing that will comfort you, but I always believe there is

a reason for everything..... no matter what. You may not be able to see it in

the short term, but trust. I use my faith to get me through. I am not telling

you to do that, I am only saying what helps me. Isn't it wonderful there are so

many supportive

people here to listen to your sadness!! You are not alone, not by a long shot.

Kathi

Kathi

>

> Yesterday was by the worst day I had in terms of my symptoms, I felt so bad

that I stayed in bed all day. This morning when I woke up while my condition did

improve I still felt pretty crappy so I decided to start getting what few things

I have together and move. Im not sure exactly where Im going yet but I do plan

on staying in hotel for the next 3 days. If I cant find permanent affordable

housing here I'll more than likely move back to my home town were finding

someplace to live wont be such a challenge. My relationship with my g/f is all

but over as there's no way I can put her through having to decontaminate herself

everytime we want to see each other again, we went through that for 4 months

already and it's just to difficult for both of us. I'll be honest Im sitting

here crying, I just cant for the life of me understand how something like this

can happen. It's one thing to become afflicted with something that threatens

your health but to lose everything that you've ever loved because of it is just

cruel. I've said this a few times but I honestly wish I had cancer, at least I

know there would be an end to the suffering but with mold you never know when

your going to be exposed again but when you are it's guaranteed its going to

cost you everything that means anything to you.

>

> I think what scares me the most is I cant figure out whats the safest way to

move and not contaminate my new residence. The only thing Im taking with me is

my cell phone. What concerns me is my truck , there's no way I can afford to get

rid of it if it's contaminated.

>

> Beings I wont have my laptop I'll try to post periodically from my cell phone.

>

> Tug

>

[Guest guest]

I'm so sorry.   You've been through a hard time w loosing 2 important loves in

your life.

I'm sorry to bring my religion in. It's what sustains me. I believe no matter

what I have to go through in my life God give me the strength to get through it,

crying or not.  

It's okay to cry. I believe there is more waiting for me than what I have here.

I have to keep trying. Many days will be hard. Some will be better. The old

saying time will heal is true. You're in the beginning, in time it will get

better.

We wish we had concrete answers. We're doing the best we can & keep trying. I

don't think you want cancer. You'd have an answer but no guarantee  of

remission, no guarantee it wouldn't come back.

You need to let go your worry about contaminating a new place. You didn't bring

anything besides your cell, computer, & clean clothes.

Your truck should be fine. You replaced the carpet & had it detailed awhile

back. 

You'll get through this 1 day at a time. We're all

here for you anytime you need us.

See if there is relaxing or religious music on. A religious show helps. God will

be there for us no matter what. Ask him for strength & healing. I hope I'm

helping. 

God Bless, Kathy

[Guest guest]

((((hugs))))

so sorry for everything you are going through. you are brave. you'll find your

way.

From: Tug <tug_slug@...>

Subject: [] Packing

Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 5:42 PM

Yesterday was by the worst day I had in terms of my symptoms, I felt so bad

that I stayed in bed all day. This morning when I woke up while my condition did

improve I still felt pretty crappy so I decided to start getting what few things

I have together and move.

[Guest guest]

Tug, Im sending a hug too.

Robin

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave,

Congratulations, you have just taken the first step to guarantee that you will

have a happy and healthy life. I'm sorry that, like myself, in the past, you had

to descend into the depths of misery and suffering, to enable you to take your

life-saving action. Many years ago, I lost my girlfriend due to my mold

suffering. As I wandered the streets, homeless, and crying over the hopelessness

of my situation, I could not imagine that my life had any future at all. Today,

I am a happy, healthy person, without any mold suffering. All I retain, from

those days, is the memory of the horror, and the potential for being plunged

back into misery, by any future mold exposures.

I'm glad to hear that you are planning your move. One of the primary signs that

it is too late to regain your health, is when your mind is too " stuck " in

weighing the the alternatives to moving, to permit you to take this life-saving

action.

I suggest that you should move into the smallest possible rental apartment, in

an apartment building, to narrow the possibilities of encountering an unhealthy

environment, in your NEW home. Most mold problems are found in " basements " ,

" attics " , and " crawl spaces " which do not exist in apartment buildings. After

you regain your health, you can make long-term plans for permanent housing.

The whole issue of " cross-contamination " depends on your personal degree of mold

reactivity. Based on my own personal experience, I would suggest not taking any

soft " fabric " furniture, from your present home, into your NEW home. I would

also suggest that ALL of your washable clothing be brought directly from your

moldy home to a public laudromat [after checking the inside of the lids of the

detergent compartments of their washing machines for mold] and having them, or

yourself, wash the clothing before bringing them into your NEW home. This will

take a few days to accomplish.

My personal experience was, that even though my father died from mold exposure,

from his CAR, our home contained a high " background " level of mold, and other

allergens, that continued to make me a little sick. So, AFTER his death, I had a

junk man come in, and cart away all the soft furniture and the carpeting from

the floor. Within one week, my health improved about 80%. My remaining

allergy/asthma problems were resolved by switching from albuterol to Symbicort,

so now, with rare exceptions, I am healthy, for the first time in my life. It's

a strange feeling, being healthy.

Even something as minor as being exposed to flowers, in my Shul, during this

past week's Rosh Hashana holiday services, were enough to make me pretty sick,

from pollen allergy. Allergy, asthma, and toxic mold reaction, are things that

remain POTENTIAL sources of suffering for the rest of our life. That is why we

have to get our " reactivity " level as low as possible, in our daily life, so

that we can recognize our NEW exposures, when they come along. And they WILL

come along.

Your Mold Buddy,

Joe

...............................................

>

> Yesterday was by the worst day I had in terms of my symptoms, I felt so bad

that I stayed in bed all day.

[Guest guest]

Hi Joe,

Actually, depending on what part of the country you live in, apartment buildings

*will* have basements if not attics. In the Midwest, not having a basement or

crawl space can be worse for moisture and mold--with a slab on grade, moisture

from the ground wicks into the slab and up into drywall and carpet (not so much

carpet if a proper vapor barrier is down, but it isn't always). I would never

rent a place that was slab on grade.

As well, flat roofs (the only way you don't have an attic) are notorious for

leaks (in the Midwest in particular). I would not want to live in a building

with a flat roof, either.

You said your father's house had " background " molds. What do you mean by

" background " molds? Also, are you saying that you stayed in the house and didn't

have the mold remediated--you just had the carpet and soft furnishings removed?

Did you have any testing done after to ensure the place was " clean " ? I'm just

surprised because you told me to run!!! from my condo, but you're living in a

house that had a mold problem, if that's indeed what you are saying.

AN

From: joe <josephsalowitz@...>

Subject: [] Re: Packing

Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 3:52 AM

Hi Dave,

Congratulations, you have just taken the first step to guarantee that you will

have a happy and healthy life. I'm sorry that, like myself, in the past, you had

to descend into the depths of misery and suffering, to enable you to take your

life-saving action. Many years ago, I lost my girlfriend due to my mold

suffering. As I wandered the streets, homeless, and crying over the hopelessness

of my situation, I could not imagine that my life had any future at all. Today,

I am a happy, healthy person, without any mold suffering. All I retain, from

those days, is the memory of the horror, and the potential for being plunged

back into misery, by any future mold exposures.

I'm glad to hear that you are planning your move. One of the primary signs that

it is too late to regain your health, is when your mind is too " stuck " in

weighing the the alternatives to moving, to permit you to take this life-saving

action.

I suggest that you should move into the smallest possible rental apartment, in

an apartment building, to narrow the possibilities of

[Guest guest]

It's 2:00 am, I have probably slept maybe an hour every time I start to fall

asleep I get brain zaps and wake up instantly. Im not sure if this is something

thats being brought on by the mold or if its my subconscious mind working

overtime trying to figure out exactly how Im going to make this move a

successful one.

Last night I explained to my g/f that our relationship may not survive this. I

told her that once I move into my new place Im going to have to do everything

humanly possible avoid coming into contact with anything that is moldy or has

mold spores on it which includes her clothes. The first time we went through

this I lived in a hotel room, if she accidentally brought in any mold spores in

her clothing and contaminated the hotel room it would be easy enough to buy new

clothes and change rooms but this time it's different. This time if my apartment

becomes cross contaminated I'll lose everything (again) and will be legally

bound to a lease and unless management lets me out of the lease I'll be forced

to live in an unhealthy environment. When she realized that this could very well

be the beginning of the end she sat on the bed and began to cry.

All this is just so depressing it's hard for me to see how so many were able to

survive their mold exposure and go onto to lead somewhat healthy normal lives.

[Guest guest]

tug Im sorry you have to do this I have a friend who cvomes and takes

care of me and everytime he has to take a shower and puiyt on clothes I have

washed for him here in ALL FREE AND CLEAR.My prayers are with you

Janet

In a message dated 9/13/2010 8:34:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

tug_slug@... writes:

It's 2:00 am, I have probably slept maybe an hour every time I start to

fall asleep I get brain zaps and wake up instantly. Im not sure if this is

something thats being brought on by the mold or if its my subconscious mind

working overtime trying to figure out exactly how Im going to make this move

a successful one.

Last night I explained to my g/f that our relationship may not survive

this. I told her that once I move into my new place Im going to have to do

everything humanly possible avoid coming into contact with anything that is

moldy or has mold spores on it which includes her clothes. The first time we

went through this I lived in a hotel room, if she accidentally brought in

any mold spores in her clothing and contaminated the hotel room it would be

easy enough to buy new clothes and change rooms but this time it's

different. This time if my apartment becomes cross contaminated I'll lose

everything (again) and will be legally bound to a lease and unless management

lets

me out of the lease I'll be forced to live in an unhealthy environment. When

she realized that this could very well be the beginning of the end she sat

on the bed and began to cry.

All this is just so depressing it's hard for me to see how so many were

able to survive their mold exposure and go onto to lead somewhat healthy

normal lives.

[Guest guest]

Keep the windows of the truck open all the time (if you can-do you have

insurance because I keep my car windows open ALL the time just hoping someone

will take the mold infested thing off my hands. Hasn't worked yet but at least I

can drive it with a mask on.)

I have had the exact same thoughts about having cancer! Thought I was the only

one. How terrible is this that dying seems like a good way to go?

My attitude is not good. I'm now starting to repeat the phrase " I have an

invisible disability " in my head-because that's what it is. Like I said-bad

attitude.

>

> Yesterday was by the worst day I had in terms of my symptoms, I felt so bad

that I stayed in bed all day. This morning when I woke up while my condition did

improve I still felt pretty crappy so I decided to start getting what few things

I have together and move. Im not sure exactly where Im going yet but I do plan

on staying in hotel for the next 3 days. If I cant find permanent affordable

housing here I'll more than likely move back to my home town were finding

someplace to live wont be such a challenge. My relationship with my g/f is all

but over as there's no way I can put her through having to decontaminate herself

everytime we want to see each other again, we went through that for 4 months

already and it's just to difficult for both of us. I'll be honest Im sitting

here crying, I just cant for the life of me understand how something like this

can happen. It's one thing to become afflicted with something that threatens

your health but to lose everything that you've ever loved because of it is just

cruel. I've said this a few times but I honestly wish I had cancer, at least I

know there would be an end to the suffering but with mold you never know when

your going to be exposed again but when you are it's guaranteed its going to

cost you everything that means anything to you.

>

> I think what scares me the most is I cant figure out whats the safest way to

move and not contaminate my new residence. The only thing Im taking with me is

my cell phone. What concerns me is my truck , there's no way I can afford to get

rid of it if it's contaminated.

>

> Beings I wont have my laptop I'll try to post periodically from my cell phone.

>

> Tug

>

[Guest guest]

I noticed in another post you mentioned Klonopin. Klonopin will do this when

you taper or go off of it. Run a google search on " going off Klonopin " and you

will see. I know all so well about this because I was on it for panic attacks

and getting off of it was the hardest thing I have ever done. It is about the

most powerful drug on the market and that is why it works so well but trying to

get off of it is pure hell. It took me years of taking a little crumb off at a

time and even still, I had the horrible side effects of it leaving my body.

IMO, benzos should be left to the most terminal ill, especially Klonopin. If

you want to have the mother of all panic attacks, go of of a benzo suddenly. If

I had known it was going to be so hard to get off of, I would never taken it. I

would rather have my kind of panic attack than a benzo kind. Now that I take so

few meds, I don't drink, do drugs, or smoke, I don't get anxiety any more.

>

>

>

> It's 2:00 am, I have probably slept maybe an hour every time I start to fall

asleep I get brain zaps and wake up instantly. <SNIP>

[Guest guest]

i went and looked at a small studio apartment today and it was perfect. It had a

day bed, a small table with 2 chairs and a dresser all I would have had to do

was furnish the tv than I walked into the bathroom and saw where a huge part of

the ceiling had been worked on. I asked the owner what had happened and he said

a couple of years ago they had a pretty bad leak from the unit that was directly

above the apartment I was interested in. He went on to say that it leaked for

2-3 days before the leak was reported and to the best of his knowledge there

wasnt any mold. Not wanting to take the chance and sign a lease I passed, was I

wrong? Should I have submitted an application?

This the second apartment that I've looked at that had potential and the second

that had water issues. Will I ever find a safe place to live?

[Guest guest]

AN, I was a little confused by this as well but the way I've been feeling lately

I just figured my moldy brain missed something.

To the best of my knowledge we only had mold in the a/c coils but they have

since been replaced so it could be a any number of things Im reacting to.

>

> Hi Joe,

>

> You said your father's house had " background " molds. What do you mean by

" background " molds? Also, are you saying that you stayed in the house and didn't

have the mold remediated--you just had the carpet and soft furnishings removed?

Did you have any testing done after to ensure the place was " clean " ? I'm just

surprised because you told me to run!!! from my condo, but you're living in a

house that had a mold problem, if that's indeed what you are saying.

>

> AN

[Guest guest]

Has anyone suggested you try one of those all metal vans? I can't remember the

name of them " Aero " something. That way if you want to get away, there is your

van or mobile home. I couldn't park anything like that near where I live but

some people do that.

>>

> It's 2:00 am, I have probably slept maybe an hour every time I start to fall

asleep I get brain zaps and wake up instantly. Im not sure if this is something

thats being brought on by the mold or if its my subconscious mind working

overtime trying to figure out exactly how Im going to make this move a

successful one.

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[Guest guest]

Jackie, I have never done recreational drugs and don't drink either but sleep

is an involuntary act and if you just can't, its better than killing yourself or

someone else with you car. Some people grab a pill easily, others not but the

main thing is take as little as you can get away with but to me sleep is

necessary for me to keep my job and drive safely. It's really a matter of

degree of problem and amt of medicine and keeping it under control. I go

without a night of sleep rather than up my dose but I can't go night after night

without sleep. Those were the circumstances at the time. I'm sure I could go

without now because frequently fall asleep before I take it but its alot of work

and I will tackle it when I'm sure I can be successful. I had a car accident

before I took it from falling asleep at the wheel, noone hurt, just banged my

car up...so my doctor put me on that to sleep so I could drive to work and keep

my job.

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> I noticed in another post you mentioned Klonopin.

[Guest guest]

I got someone to lease to me month to month.

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> i went and looked at a small studio apartment today and it was perfect. It had

a day bed, a small table with 2 chairs and a dresser all I would have had to do

was furnish the tv than I walked into the bathroom and saw where a huge part of

the ceiling had been worked on. I asked the owner what had happened and he said

a couple of years ago they had a pretty bad leak from the unit that was directly

above the apartment I was interested in. He went on to say that it leaked for

2-3 days before the leak was reported and to the best of his knowledge there

wasnt any mold. Not wanting to take the chance and sign a lease I passed, was I

wrong? Should I have submitted an application?

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> This the second apartment that I've looked at that had potential and the

second that had water issues. Will I ever find a safe place to live?

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