Re: New - concerns about son

[Guest guest]

H Margaret,

I would tend to believe your son, maybe others are feeling sick and just

don't make the connection. Also, people have different

susceptibilities. And, as the mom of a very sick kid who got sick in

high school, I can tell you that doctors, psychiatrists and

psychologists, school counselors, etc. all liked to look for

psychological factors as the primary cause, whereas it turns out that my

son's physical body is so disregulated in every way, and he is very

allergic with lots of toxicity problems including mold, that for sure

the psyche follows suit, but definitely not the root cause... In fact

GI problems were one of his first complaints, and his first psychiatrist

tried to tell us that the GI problems were the physical manifestation of

emotional problems...so clueless...

Instead of discounting what your son is saying, why doesn't the school

do some investigative work to try and understand what is different in

the different parts of the school: do they have different EMF profiles,

do they use different chemicals in different areas, is the type of

lighting different, are some areas moldy & others not, they could give

this project to your son and others as a science project.... Also, I

would ask if they did anything to the school over the XMAS break---did

they spray pesticides, did they switch chemical cleaning products, did

they break a bunch of mercury filled lightbulbs while changing them out,

did they do construction or remodeling with toxic materials or in a way

that released mold.... did they do something to the HVAC system, etc.

At the same time, I would ask your son if there is anything else going

on that makes it stressful or difficult to be at school: teacher, other

kids, some other problem... If something is going on that creates stress

for him when he gets to school that can also make one feel bad including

in the gut, think butterflies and more.....

Good luck, Sue V.

>Hi -

>

>Since coming back to school after xmas break my son has been suffering

>at school, he's a 9th grader. His main complaint is GI distress. He

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sure several people on this group can relate to my story. I worked in a

location with mold in the HVAC. I developed a respiratory hypersensitivity which

caused me to cough rather severely at work, eventually getting to the point that

I would start coughing within seconds of entering the building. Psychosomatic

nut, right? I didn't think so. I found I was able to work without coughing by

wearing a 3M HEPA mask. Eventually I got filters installed on the ventilation

into my workspace and was able to work comfortably without the very uncomfotable

mask. But I still wore the mask to go to meetings or even the restroom. I was

quite an embarassment to management who buried their heads in the sand and

pretended there was nothing wrong. Eventually, several coworkers approached me

with their stories, wondering if my problem was related to theirs. Some people

spoke of sinus problems, others of headaches which seemed to go away on the

weekends. A few coworkers coughed a little, but one as bad as I. He tried the

medication route to cope: Flovent Singulair, Serevent, albuterol, all of which

helped him for about 2 hours/day. (He never asked for the supplemental

filtration I demanded under the ADA.) When they asked me if I thought my problem

might be related to theirs, in order to protect my job, I avoided answering

positively, but responded with the question " What do you think? " and suggested

they read web sites about mold and health, particularly one good one from

Washington state department of health. The point is that the same problem can

affect different people differently.

Digestive problems? That sounds foreign to most people on this group. But it's

not unheard of. In December 2000, News had an article titled " Allergies

Can be Pain in the Stomach " about a doctor at Cincinnati Childrens Hospital

Medical Center:

" Dr. Marc E. Rothenberg, director of the allergy and clinical immunology section

at the Children's Hospital Medical Center of Cincinnati, in a paper in the

Journal of Clinical Investigation, described an animal model showing that a

specific allergy-causing fungus can produce classic symptoms of esophagitis.

Many children with the condition have hay fever, asthma or another allergic

condition, he says. They are brought to a doctor's office with symptoms of

reflux, a gastrointestinal problem, but they do not respond to standard

treatments. A biopsy finds a large number of eosinophils in the esophagus.

Dr. Glenn T. Furata, assistant professor of pediatrics at the Harvard

Medical School has also commented in this article. "

Perhaps your son's doctor can look up research by Dr. Rothenberg or Dr. Furata

to see if this applies to him. Your son might just be quite correct in his

assessment.

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9a. New - concerns about son

Posted by: " MargaretC " museec@... margaretc229

Date: Tue Feb 9, 2010 4:28 pm ((PST))

Hi -

Since coming back to school after xmas break my son has been suffering at

school, he's a 9th grader. His main complaint is GI distress. He thinks the

school is making him sick, but our doctor and others are skeptical. He has

classes in different wings, and in different types of buildings, but it doesn't

seem to matter which room he's in, though he says it's worse in some. He says he

feels better when he goes outside..... I had to pick him up this morning after

he was there for 45 minutes.

I have no reason not to believe him, but the doctor said if it was " sick

building " most likely others would have it.... not sure if that's necessarilty

true, we're all different.

Can anyone comment?

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for your responses. I forgot to mention he also came down with

bronchitis for the first time in his life this past month.....

After much probing I don't detect that it's a psychological thing going on....

I'm just going to have to believe him.

Sue, what did you do when you decided your son was getting sick from school?

>

> Digestive problems? That sounds foreign to most people on this group. But

it's not unheard of. In December 2000, News had an article titled

" Allergies Can be Pain in the Stomach " about a doctor at Cincinnati Childrens

Hospital Medical Center:

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'd like to call you, is there a good time. I live in the east bay btw.

Thanks!

Margaret

>

> Hi,

>

> Then it is something physical, actively seek answers, change schools if

> you have to...don't let them talk you into the idea that it is either

> psychological or nothing...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Margaret,

I am here now and my son is asleep so this would be a good time. we are

in Arizona now and I have much better reception on my land line:

928-554-4020. I gave you my cell because I was out and about earlier.

If not this evening anytime for about the next 5 hours, then you could

try me tomorrow afternoon or evening. Tomorrow morning not good. Sue

>I'd like to call you, is there a good time. I live in the east bay btw.

>

>Thanks!

>

>Margaret

>

>

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> Then it is something physical, actively seek answers, change schools if

>> you have to...don't let them talk you into the idea that it is either

>> psychological or nothing...

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi Margaret,

The doctor we see, a long haul from where you are, is Win Bertrand at

Gordon Medical in Santa , he understands all this stuff. If you

call Gordon Medical's front office, maybe they can refer you to a like

minded doctor in the East Bay. Best of luck, and don't give up.

Another possible source of unhealthy fumes that I didn't mention on the

phone is new carpeting, did they install new carpeting in any of the

sick spaces? Most carpeting contains glues, formaldehydes,

antimicrobials, even pesticides.... Also, did they install new airtight

windows that don't let the building breathe? sue

>I'd like to call you, is there a good time. I live in the east bay btw.

>

>Thanks!

>

>Margaret

>

>

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> Then it is something physical, actively seek answers, change schools if

>> you have to...don't let them talk you into the idea that it is either

>> psychological or nothing...

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi -

>

> Since coming back to school after xmas break my son has been suffering at

school, he's a 9th grader. His main complaint is GI distress. He thinks the

school is making him sick, but our doctor and others are skeptical. He has

classes in different wings, and in different types of buildings, but it doesn't

seem to matter which room he's in, though he says it's worse in some. He says

he feels better when he goes outside..... I had to pick him up this morning

after he was there for 45 minutes.

>

> I have no reason not to believe him, but the doctor said if it was " sick

building " most likely others would have it.... not sure if that's necessarilty

true, we're all different.

>

> Can anyone comment?

>

My children are having similar problems at school. We are working on it. Lots

of doctor visits and labs. We are working the Shoemaker angle on the whole

thing. I will probably have to get portable air filters for their

classrooms--private school.

[Guest guest]

HI Margaret,

I explained your situation to another mom formerly from the Bay Area,

both she and her son were sickened by sick buildings in the Sacramento

area, she was a teacher...

Here is her advice. Let me know if you want her contact info. Best, Sue V.

I think the mom in Pleasant Hill should follow her gut and get the kid out.

Same thing happened to my son. Went to school got strep (three times in a

row) came home, healed fine, when to school sick, came home fine...took

tonsils out healed fine at home, back to school sick again! The school is

NOT going to tell her anything...if anything they will cover themselves like

crazy. She need a good environ. doctor fast before the school or some

conventional doctor who thinks she is crazy calls CPS on her. There is a

doctor that Dr. Marinkovich rec. in northern CA when he passed away. I'll

try to find him and let you know. Tell her to join the chemical sensitive

for the Bay Area too. They probably have some sources of

doctors. There is one in Sacramento if she wants to drive that far, but I

think there are better ones near here. I would NOT take him to any other

conventional doctor until she gets to a good environ. doctor asap. Tell her

to enroll him in K12 Virtual Academy. Great homeschooling online curric.,

very engaging, accred. etc. Tell her to email me if she likes.

>Thank you for your responses. I forgot to mention he also came down

>with bronchitis for the first time in his life this past month.....

>

>After much probing I don't detect that it's a psychological thing going

>on.... I'm just going to have to believe him.

>

>Sue, what did you do when you decided your son was getting sick from school?

>

>

>>

>> Digestive problems? That sounds foreign to most people on this

>group. But it's not unheard of. In December 2000, News had an

>article titled " Allergies Can be Pain in the Stomach " about a doctor at

>Cincinnati Childrens Hospital Medical Center:

>>

>>

>

[Guest guest]

I was a former teacher and had a few students with GI problems including

myself. Have you gone to _www.biotoxin.info_ (http://www.biotoxin.info) and

let him take the VCS test? It's easy, inexpensive and 98% accurate. I had

a student who had an upset stomach, almost daily, when he left the school

after 8th grade his stomach problems when away. We are all different that's

why this illness is so difficult to diagnose. If everyone had the same

symptoms it would be easy. One teacher at my school had a horrible rash but I

never did. I had terrible itching but never a rash. Very frustrating but

I'd give him the test, you'll get immediate results after taking it. It's

certainly not the answer but it's a start.

Since coming back to school after xmas break my son has been suffering at

school, he's a 9th grader. His main complaint is GI distress. He thinks the

school is making him sick, but our doctor and others are skeptical. He has

classes in different wings, and in different types of buildings, but it

doesn't seem to matter which room he's in, though he says it's worse in some.

He says he feels better when he goes outside..... I had to pick him up this

morning after he was there for 45 minutes.

I have no reason not to believe him, but the doctor said if it was " sick

building " most likely others would have it.... not sure if that's

necessarilty true, we're all different.

Can anyone comment?

[Guest guest]

I have a possibility for you.  I am MCS, developed over a period of years in

the hospital where I worked.  I take Prevacid for my acid reflux.  I have no

burning as long as I am not exposed to something like certain acid or spicy

foods, something in the air.

I wonder if you can find out what cleaners are used at the school-- I say this

because when I

used a squirt of antibacterial soap on a wet rag on one of my tubs, I had the

acid burn among other symptoms for several days.  When the techs (at work) were

using various chemicals, when the floors were being cleaned, when walls were

being painted, and when I have been in a thrift shop, Wal-Mart, doctors'

offices I get the acid burn in my throat and feel sick in my stomach.  At work

and the stores, people I talked to had no symptoms at all.  When I used bleach

about 4 yrs ago, I had to leave the house, but yet my 2 friends that were there

had no symptoms at all. 

So, my guess is that  cleaners is a strong possibity.

The itching imight be from something is in the air.  My skin itches shortly

after I come  home from running errands, etc.  When I stay in the house with

my air cleaners for a few days in a row, I do not itch.  I believe it is the

pollution, and it makes my eyes & tongue burn, gives me a headache, sick

stomach, irritates my lungs and makes me cough.  If the air is too dry or humid

my skin will itch/crawl.

.................Corky

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.........I had a student who had an upset stomach, almost daily, when he left the

school

after 8th grade his stomach problems when away. ....   I had terrible itching

but never a rash.

Since coming back to school after xmas break my son has been suffering at

school.............. His main complaint is GI distress. He thinks the

school is making him sick.................,

[Guest guest]

for what it is worth i would believe yr son over other speculation, meaning

doctors. they seem to know diddly. i would put him in a differnt school if

possible or let him finish school by being homed schooled. mold has to be the

worst and most misdiagnosed illness around. every one reacts differently or

even not at all. just my 2 cents. do whats best for yr son and what u feel

would be best for him. people and dr dont believe me son pees blood @ times i

get the rolled eye from drs. it gets old. i have found herbs and homeopathic

things to help when this happens. you know yr son better than anyone. take

care shonda

Re: [] New - concerns about son

I was a former teacher and had a few students with GI problems including

myself. Have you gone to _www.biotoxin.info_ (http://www.biotoxin.info) and

let him take the VCS test? It's easy, inexpensive and 98% accurate. I had

a student who had an upset stomach, almost daily, when he left the school

after 8th grade his stomach problems when away. We are all different that's

why this illness is so difficult to diagnose. If everyone had the same

symptoms it would be easy. One teacher at my school had a horrible rash but I

never did. I had terrible itching but never a rash. Very frustrating but

I'd give him the test, you'll get immediate results after taking it. It's

certainly not the answer but it's a start.

[Guest guest]

and my son has mold problems but his VCS test was normal....

>myself. Have you gone to _www.biotoxin.info_ (http://www.biotoxin.info) and

>let him take the VCS test? It's easy, inexpensive and 98% accurate. I had

[Guest guest]

He probably does and the test is not picking it up. Can you research the

protocol and try to find a Dr. willing to at least give the CSM a try.

CSM Protocol

Here is the CSM protocol I received from Dr. Shoemaker that I have used,

successfully, for 5 yrs.

1. On an empty stomach, take one scoop of CSM (9 grams), mix with

water, or juice, 4-6 oz

2. Stir well and swallow. Add more liquid, repeat 1 above until done.

3. Drink an extra 4-6 oz of liquid

4. After 30 minutes, you may eat or take meds (wait at least 2 hours

before taking thyroxine, digitalis, theophylline, coumadin and

others, ask your doctor for information)

5. Take CSM 4 times a day!

6. If you eat first, wait at least 60 minutes before taking your next

CSM

7. Reflux, constipation, bloating and bowel distress are to be

expected

and my son has mold problems but his VCS test was normal....

>myself. Have you gone to _www.biotoxin.myself._http://www.biotoxinhttp:_

(http://www.biotoxin.info/) ) and

>let him take the VCS test? It's easy, inexpensive and 98% accurate. I had

[Guest guest]

I, too, have terrible reactions to certain cleaners. Burning in my chest

that really hurts and itching of skin. One cleaner they used at my school

really made me sick. I'm not there an longer and don't know what it was but it

smelled rather soapy and even made my eyes run. I sure it bothered others

but they just never seemed to connect the dots! No more problems since I

left but I did smell it once at a Target store and left immediately! It was

early in the AM probably right after they had cleaned the bathrooms which

are right as you walk in the door.

I have a possibility for you. I am MCS, developed over a period of years

in the hospital where I worked. I take Prevacid for my acid reflux. I

have no burning as long as I am not exposed to something like certain acid or

spicy foods, something in the air.

[Guest guest]

Good to hear about the Dr. and hope you can find out about the medication.

I know everyone is different and symptom vary so much. I also understand

about the VCS test that can show negative results. I sure hope you can find

out the cause and hopefully he will be able to go back to the CSM. Would may

be smaller doses help? I have a friend who has 2 children with mold

illness from an exposure years ago. I know they would be happy to talk to you

and

share their stories & info. Both had to be schooled from home & the one

graduated last year. Very nice kids and amazingly well adjusted with such

isolation & trauma.

S

Oh, I believe he has mold problems and he has taken some CSM but we took

him off of it because his liver enzymes became elevated and we didn't

know which medication was causing it, he will go back to the CSM, we

have a good mold doc-- Gray. My point was that you could have

mold problems and still have a normal VCS test result so should run more

tests than just the VCS. My son has many other " Shoemaker markers " that

are out of whack.

[Guest guest]

Oh, I believe he has mold problems and he has taken some CSM but we took

him off of it because his liver enzymes became elevated and we didn't

know which medication was causing it, he will go back to the CSM, we

have a good mold doc-- Gray. My point was that you could have

mold problems and still have a normal VCS test result so should run more

tests than just the VCS. My son has many other " Shoemaker markers " that

are out of whack.

Sue V.

>

>He probably does and the test is not picking it up. Can you research the

>protocol and try to find a Dr. willing to at least give the CSM a try.

>

> CSM Protocol

>

[Guest guest]

Wish you all the best! Hope and pray your son will get the help he needs.

I just wish there were more physicians to help us all. I believe there

are MANY people sick from mold, Lyme, & chemicals but don't even know it.

They just roam from Dr. to Dr. to Dr. and are handed pills & stay sick all

the time. It really is like a living nightmare to me, but I keep hoping, one

day soon, we will see light at the end of the tunnel.

thanks, we just arrived in Dallas last night and will see Dr. Rea on

Monday, I am hopeful that he can help elucidate the total array of

problems and solutions. I think we have the best docs, now we just need

a little luck and a few minor miracles!

[Guest guest]

thanks, we just arrived in Dallas last night and will see Dr. Rea on

Monday, I am hopeful that he can help elucidate the total array of

problems and solutions. I think we have the best docs, now we just need

a little luck and a few minor miracles!

sue

>

>Good to hear about the Dr. and hope you can find out about the medication.

>I know everyone is different and symptom vary so much. I also understand

>about the VCS test that can show negative results. I sure hope you can find

>out the cause and hopefully he will be able to go back to the CSM.

Would may

>be smaller doses help? I have a friend who has 2 children with mold

>illness from an exposure years ago. I know they would be happy to talk

>to you and

>share their stories & info. Both had to be schooled from home & the one

>graduated last year. Very nice kids and amazingly well adjusted with such

>isolation & trauma.

>S

>

[Guest guest]

thanks for your good wishes, a lot of us are struggling, that's for

sure, else we wouldn't be here, eh? and yes, I am sure lots of people

are sickened by mold, lyme, chemicals, etc. w/o knowing it, and a

majority of the docs are clueless, look at you like you are crazy... in

fact I think chemicals are the modern day epidemic, have been reading

" Our Stolen Future " about how endocrine disrupting chemicals

(pesticides, etc.) are transforming all living creatures, and this is

starting to come out in the news to (atrazine and frogs only this week).

mold has probably always been around and a source of illness, but with

modern building methods that have only one goal-profit maximization for

the builder, and energy saving standards making the buildings tighter,

mold problems have probably just gotten worse.

what is your story? hope you have had better luck with healing than we

have so far.

sue

>

>Wish you all the best! Hope and pray your son will get the help he needs.

> I just wish there were more physicians to help us all. I believe there

>are MANY people sick from mold, Lyme, & chemicals but don't even know it.

>

[Guest guest]

I am curious why the visit to Dr. Rea if you are presently treating with Dr.

Gray? Its my understanding that they have the same " ideas " . Does Dr. Rea offer

something in addition to what Dr. Gray can do as far as treatment? Thanks~ D

>

> thanks, we just arrived in Dallas last night and will see Dr. Rea on

> Monday, I am hopeful that he can help elucidate the total array of

> problems and solutions. I think we have the best docs, now we just need

> a little luck and a few minor miracles!

>

> sue

>

> >

> >Good to hear about the Dr. and hope you can find out about the medication.

> >I know everyone is different and symptom vary so much. I also understand

> >about the VCS test that can show negative results. I sure hope you can find

> >out the cause and hopefully he will be able to go back to the CSM.

> Would may

> >be smaller doses help? I have a friend who has 2 children with mold

> >illness from an exposure years ago. I know they would be happy to talk

> >to you and

> >share their stories & info. Both had to be schooled from home & the one

> >graduated last year. Very nice kids and amazingly well adjusted with such

> >isolation & trauma.

> >S

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Why?

Because my son is slowly slowly declining in health w/each passing day,

he has been nonfunctional for nearly 4 years, he obviously has mold

problems, but he also has horrible allergies and just about every body

system is out of whack.

We tried the Dr. Gray protocol as best we could given that my son often

is awake when I am asleep and I have to administer the protocol because

he won't, and then we had to stop the CSM and several other meds because

of elevated liver enzymes. We will go back to it, but one med at a time

to find the offender.

In the meantime, many people (including on this list) have told me that

Dr. Rea is very thorough, he has a somewhat different approach (for

example I think he uses sauna detox rather than CSM or in addition), and

he is older, I believe he's seen 30,000 or more patients come thru his

clinic over the years.

We are not discounting Dr. Gray's diagnosis or protocol, I believe every

word of it, just looking for additive diagnoses and therapies.

My son does not " classically " present with any particular illness, for

example he doesn't go into a chemically or moldy place and feel worse

and then feel better when he gets out of it like so many of you do,

although these substances are undoubtedly bothering him.

I think he is not responding to treatment for one of the following reasons:

1) doesn't adhere closely enuf to protocols although I doubt this

2) haven't given it enuf time although I would have expected some small

improvement in some small way by now

3) have tried various protocols sequentially and that is not enuf, need

to do them simultaneously (for example, allergy treatments back home

didn't help, but he was in the unbeknownst to us then moldy house, maybe

doing allergy treatments, detox, and living in Dr. Rea's environmental

housing will be enuf to tip him back in the direction of healing)

4) just born w/funky immune system, maybe stem cell therapy will help,

and if not he is just screwed for life

5) there is still some big missing piece of the puzzle, not yet

diagnosed. If that is the case, I figure that Dr. Rea who has seen just

about everything over the years, is more likely than anyone else to help

us figure it out.

Also, I have found that with every new doctor visit (docs in this space,

not your average conventional doc) we learn something else that propels

us forward on our quest to figure out this mess.

Also, my rental was up in Sedona, he was not getting better there, I had

terrible hay fever there in the last month, we have a toxicologist

running studies on our indoor air quality at home in SF so can't take

him home right now, have to go somewhere, may as well be somewhere where

we might learn something new and where he might start to heal.

His integrative medicine/primary care doc back home also considered

having him try LDA w/Dr. Shrader in Santa Fe but he is on medication

that conflicts with that therapy. He is also suggesting experimental

stem cell therapy south of the border or in India but my son is not yet

ready to try that.

My son is not a very compliant or easy patient, he is tired,

discouraged, fatigued, doesn't want to see doctors because they don't

help (so far), if I take him back home now I will never get him out of

the house again, he will curl up in his bed w/his computer and TV and

slowly ever so slowly fade away.

Bottom line, desperation!

So, that's the story. Wish us luck!

Sue

>I am curious why the visit to Dr. Rea if you are presently treating with

>Dr. Gray? Its my understanding that they have the same " ideas " . Does Dr.

>Rea offer something in addition to what Dr. Gray can do as far as

>treatment? Thanks~ D

>

>

>>

>> thanks, we just arrived in Dallas last night and will see Dr. Rea on

>> Monday, I am hopeful that he can help elucidate the total array of

[Guest guest]

Wouldn't continuing CSM make sense if liver enzymes are elevated? I thought

that was what CSM was for.

>

> Why?

>

> Because my son is slowly slowly declining in health w/each passing day,

> he has been nonfunctional for nearly 4 years, he obviously has mold

> problems, but he also has horrible allergies and just about every body

> system is out of whack.

>

> We tried the Dr. Gray protocol as best we could given that my son often

> is awake when I am asleep and I have to administer the protocol because

> he won't, and then we had to stop the CSM and several other meds because

> of elevated liver enzymes. We will go back to it, but one med at a time

> to find the offender.

>

>

[Guest guest]

i think you are right Barb on continuing the CSM it would help take out the

toxins and help bring down the enyzmes. Wonder if he is on milk thistle to help

protect the liver.

Lee

> >

> > Why?

> >

> > Because my son is slowly slowly declining in health w/each passing day,

> > he has been nonfunctional for nearly 4 years, he obviously has mold

> > problems, but he also has horrible allergies and just about every body

> > system is out of whack.

> >

> > We tried the Dr. Gray protocol as best we could given that my son often

> > is awake when I am asleep and I have to administer the protocol because

> > he won't, and then we had to stop the CSM and several other meds because

> > of elevated liver enzymes. We will go back to it, but one med at a time

> > to find the offender.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

his liver enzymes have been coming down off the csm and some other meds,

he was taking ziem capsules that I think contain milk thistle.

sue

>

>i think you are right Barb on continuing the CSM it would help take out

>the toxins and help bring down the enyzmes. Wonder if he is on milk

>thistle to help protect the liver.

>Lee

[Guest guest]

No. I was told that I couldn't take CSM because of my elevated liver

enzymes at the time. Some meds are very hard on the liver.

Barth

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bbw> Wouldn't continuing CSM make sense if liver enzymes are elevated? I

thought that was what CSM was for.

bbw>

>>

>> Why?

>>

>> Because my son is slowly slowly declining in health w/each passing day,

>> he has been nonfunctional for nearly 4 years, he obviously has mold

>> problems, but he also has horrible allergies and just about every body

>> system is out of whack.

>>

>> We tried the Dr. Gray protocol as best we could given that my son often

>> is awake when I am asleep and I have to administer the protocol because

>> he won't, and then we had to stop the CSM and several other meds because

>> of elevated liver enzymes. We will go back to it, but one med at a time

>> to find the offender.

>>

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