Re:Was: Leaving  Now: MCS/ CIRS

[Guest guest]

I dont know where this discussion is at the moment. I do recall a statement by

Dr. Thrasher and this one. With all info at hand I am more confused than ever. I

was diagnosed by Shoemaker with " toxic encephalopathy " Due to my fungal

exposure. Since my exposure I have devolved a good deal of chemical

sensitivity.

I also have a nephew that is autistic and bi-polar and they by far dont seem to

have any connections that I am aware of but I am saying this with little to no

true education about this subject.All I can say (and I hate it that my

defendants are probably spieing here) What I like to morgellons, chemical

sensitivity and fungal exposure happened at one and the very same time.

I have never know Thrasher to be wrong so I dont know what to say on this one

other than maybe I just am not understanding something...

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From: " mnpearl@... " <mnpearl@...>

Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 10:19:26 PM

Subject: [] Re:Was: Leaving   Now: MCS/ CIRS

 

No. You did not say that autism etc should be changed to toxic

encephalopathy. You said that the disorders have toxic encephalopathy in common.

You said: " For example, epidemiology research in California has demonstrated

that exposure to pesticides is associated with autistic spectrum disorder,

Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's. These people do not necessarily have

chronic sinusitis, but they have one thing in common: brain inflammation

and toxic exposure. i.e. toxic encephalopathy. "

Toxic encephalopathy is not recognized by the medical profession. MCS has

been recognized in the courts, especially in cases involving social

security. In 1998 our local county court recognized MCS and held court in a

different location to accommodate someone.

I guess I will continue to disagree with changing the name. It is already

accepted by many federal agencies and many countries. To me, trying to

change the name just brings more confusion not clarity. Not everyone with

toxic encephalopathy has chemical sensitivities do they?

MCS is caused by toxic encephalopathy, just as the other disorders. That

should be stressed. No disagreement there.

Is there a test to prove someone has toxic encephalopathy? That would be

the most helpful.

Jean

[Guest guest]

I work with autistic children and every day someone somewhere claims that some

sort of research says this and that causes autism. There is no real clear cut

reason, nor enough research or proof at this time of what causes this disorder.

We should all leave the " cause " to the professionals who work with these

children and adults. I don't judge and seek the cause because it is not my

place. I feel so bad for the parents of these kids because the world think it

is their place to tell them how their kids got the disorder. The parents have

a hard enough time without others constantly telling them this and that is the

cause or problem.

> From: " mnpearl@... " <mnpearl@...>

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> Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 10:19:26 PM

> Subject: [] Re:Was: Leaving   Now: MCS/ CIRS

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> No. You did not say that autism etc should be changed to toxic

> encephalopathy. You said that the disorders have toxic encephalopathy in

common.

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> You said: " For example, epidemiology research in California has demonstrated

> that exposure to pesticides is associated with autistic spectrum disorder,

><SNIP>

[Guest guest]

I suggest that you look at and read the below post. Very interesting

observations on genetic polymorphism, detoxification and autism.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com:80/stephen-barrie-nd/child-autism-epidemic-fir_b_6\

96179.html

[] Re:Was: Leaving  Now: MCS/ CIRS

I work with autistic children and every day someone somewhere claims that some

sort of research says this and that causes autism. There is no real clear cut

reason, nor enough research or proof at this time of what causes this disorder.

We should all leave the " cause " to the professionals who work with these

children and adults. I don't judge and seek the cause because it is not my

place. I feel so bad for the parents of these kids because the world think it is

their place to tell them how their kids got the disorder. The parents have a

hard enough time without others constantly telling them this and that is the

cause or problem.

[Guest guest]

I do not doubt that toxins might be the cause of autism and even this article

stated it " may be. " See copy and paste below from article.

" New research shows that even low-dose, multiple toxic and infectious exposures

may be a key factor to the onset of autism. "

My concern is that daily parents hear these maybes and are told to do it this

way and that way in an effort to heal their kids. It is just plain out sad

because it is a never ending process for these tired parents. At this time,

there is no conclusive evidence on what causes autism. There is much research

going on and many studies happening but nothing has been proven to be the key

factor of the cause.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

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> I suggest that you look at and read the below post. Very interesting

observations on genetic polymorphism, detoxification and autism.

>

>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com:80/stephen-barrie-nd/child-autism-epidemic-fir_b_6\

96179.html

>

[Guest guest]

Comment: physicians write in may be language. They are not trained to write

and speak in probabilities and certainties. Keep this in mind.

[] Re:Was: Leaving  Now: MCS/ CIRS

I do not doubt that toxins might be the cause of autism and even this article

stated it " may be. " See copy and paste below from article.

" New research shows that even low-dose, multiple toxic and infectious

exposures may be a key factor to the onset of autism. "

My concern is that daily parents hear these maybes and are told to do it this

way and that way in an effort to heal their kids. It is just plain out sad

because it is a never ending process for these tired parents. At this time,

there is no conclusive evidence on what causes autism. There is much research

going on and many studies happening but nothing has been proven to be the key

factor of the cause.

>

> I suggest that you look at and read the below post. Very interesting

observations on genetic polymorphism, detoxification and autism.

>

>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com:80/stephen-barrie-nd/child-autism-epidemic-fir_b_6\

96179.html

>