Re: Moving this week, looking for inputs

[Guest guest]

If I were to do this (again!), I would stay there for a few days w/out any items

to avoid variables! I did this--thanks to my amazing doctor!--and my medic-alert

dog who alerts me and who had gotten " hyper " our first visit but not second,

refused to settle in! Contrary to testers who cleared the house, my dog went

crazy in difnt places! I hadn't moved anything in! Had I done so, I may not

havé recognized that the structure itself was not good for either my dog or me!

I would go as minimalist as possible for awhile! I am extremely reactive right

now. I have discovered that books/papers, clothes, and upholstéred/porous

items create the most concern! If possiblé financiàlly, leave as much as you

can! Environmnt/dietWhat is your primary exposure to? I agree with carl and jack

when they warn that our immune systems become reactivé to once-benign irritants

and foods! I fear that folks over-focus on mold when it could be a new

sensitivity due to our hyper-vigilànt immune systems! Good lúck!

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Hey all,

I'm moving in my new apartment this week and I'm looking for inputs from the

most sensitives. None of my furniture have any visible signs of mold/mildew. If

it were for you, would you accept (A) or replace ®

[Guest guest]

I second this metion.  If and when you decide to add pieces, you kept I would

add one piece at a time and wait for a possible reaction.  I am a severe

reactor

and I left it all due to severe contamination.  The second time left some.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: sally b <mustangsally2254@...>

Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 6:27:14 PM

Subject: Re: [] Moving this week, looking for inputs

 

If I were to do this (again!), I would stay there for a few days w/out any items

to avoid variables! I did this--thanks to my amazing doctor!--and

[Guest guest]

The only thing that looks to me like a definite no is the books. Books, if

moldy, can't really be saved. Everything else-I'd try it. You'll know soon

enough whether they are tolerable.

>

> Hey all,

>

> I'm moving in my new apartment this week and I'm looking for inputs from the

most sensitives. None of my furniture have any visible signs of mold/mildew. If

it were for you, would you accept (A) or replace ®

>

[Guest guest]

" I have discovered that books/papers, clothes, and upholstéred/porous items

create the most concern! " that sounds like good advice. I have already decided

that all my clothes, my bed sheets, etc will go in storage.

The problem is that I react rapidly to things like chemicals, but mycotoxins

seem to only affect me on the long term. Meaning it would probably be a very

difficult experiment to bring things one at the time to wait and see if I react

to it.

Dr Shoemaker says in his new book that once my health starts to get better, I

may start to get rapid reactions when reexposed to mycotoxins.

>

> I second this metion.  If and when you decide to add pieces, you kept I would

> add one piece at a time

[Guest guest]

I agree that trying out the new home, without bringing ANYTHING from the moldy

home, is a very good idea. Many of us, including myself, have found that our

mold exposure has given us a lifetime of potential reactivity to chemicals, as

well as mold. I  can not tolerate off-gassing from flat-screen T.V.'s and many

computers, and DVD players, since my original mold exposure. I have learned to

live in a world of OLD technology, with the hope that OLD electronics has had

enough years of off-gassing, BEFORE I breathe it in. After " camping out " in your

home, for a week or two, bring your electronics into your new home, without

anything else, as it is the most likely stuff to make you sick, from your old

home. If you DO react to your flat-screen T.V., phone your friends and

neighbors, to see if they will trade their OLD crappy cathode picture tube T.V.s

for your brand new, expensive, flat-screen T.V. - It worked for me.

 

Good Luck and God Bless, in your new home,

Joe

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You Wrote:

 Hey all,

I'm moving in my new apartment this week and I'm looking for inputs from the

most sensitives. None of my furniture have any visible signs of mold/mildew. If

it were for you, would you accept (A) or replace ®

[Guest guest]

> 1) a mattress airsealed in a new, un-exposed 6mil food grade polyethylene

wrap. Mycos don't stick to plastic in my opinion.. good on this one.

> 2) wood table, chairs, bookshelf, drawer unit and bed frame that would all be

cleaned and fully re-painted before bringing them in

Depends on if these are laminate/non-porous or not. I took porous items,

cleaned them and painted them and still felt sensitive to them.

>

> 3) a computer after opening it and removing the dust with a spray can

I took mine, and cleaned the gently with ammonia spray I make.

>

> 4) high quality water filters (3 inline, first is for fluoride, last is a

Multipure charcoal)

I actually don't recommend using air cleaners you may have used in a mold home..

I just always had the feeling I might be blowing in mycos that I was trying to

get away from.. I have a health plus charcoal in great condition if anyone wants

to buy it.. I used it for about 3 months.

>

> 5) a recent (flat screen) TV, undusted - I had to put my flatscreen down in

the basement in a place far removed from where I was sitting.. I bought a new

one for my new home.

>

> 6) iron cast skillet - Bring with

>

> 7) stainless steel pots - bring with

>

> 8) books, with undusted covers - I put all my books in boxes.. mycos travel

on paper. not worth it to bring them

>

> 9) army wool blankets, cleaned in what? - washing machine with detergent and

some ammonia. Dr. Croft from madison, wi says ammonia will work and I

agree with him as it's the only thing that seems to " destrengthen " mycos in my

cars fabric ceiling.

>

> 10) my supplements (I have several boxes (!), most of them are in the usual

plastic containers, others are in ziploc-like plastic bags). Should I seal

everything in ziploc bags? - Yes, bring with.

>

> 11) ceramic plates, silverware, aluminium knifes, glasses - good to go on

these non porous items.

>

> 12) stand-alone lamps, hair clipper. that sort of metal+plastic stuff -

careful with lamp shades.

[Guest guest]

Even if it is new pieces I would add only one at a time.  i react almost

immediately to almost all.  If you wait to bring it in you can determine what

makes you ill and remove it, if you bring it all in  you will have a harder

time

making that determination and may have to remove all again.  IMO

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: lyme_exterminator <wanna_party_in_LA@...>

Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 10:00:25 PM

Subject: [] Re: Moving this week, looking for inputs

 

" I have discovered that books/papers, clothes, and upholstéred/porous items

create the most concern! " that sounds like good advice. I have already decided

that all my clothes, my bed sheets, etc will go in storage.

The problem is that I react rapidly to things like chemicals, but mycotoxins

seem to only affect me on the long term. Meaning it would probably be a very

difficult experiment to bring things one at the time to wait and see if I react

to it.

Dr Shoemaker says in his new book that once my health starts to get better, I

may start to get rapid reactions when reexposed to mycotoxins.

>

> I second this metion.  If and when you decide to add pieces, you kept I

would

> add one piece at a time

[Guest guest]

I've heard people mention that they put things in storage. Can somebody explain

the reasoning behind this? Mold doesn't disintegrate in a few years' time, does

it? It would be great to be able to keep my things and use them later, so I'm

really just curious what the thought process is, if they become usable later. 

From: lyme_exterminator <wanna_party_in_LA@...>

Subject: [] Re: Moving this week, looking for inputs

Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 3:00 AM

" I have discovered that books/papers, clothes, and upholstéred/porous

items create the most concern! " that sounds like good advice. I have already

decided that all my clothes, my bed sheets, etc will go in storage.

The problem is that I react rapidly to things like chemicals, but mycotoxins

seem to only affect me on the long term. Meaning it would probably be a very

difficult experiment to bring things one at the time to wait and see if I react

to it.

Dr Shoemaker says in his new book that once my health starts to get better, I

may start to get rapid reactions when reexposed to mycotoxins.

[Guest guest]

Dogs can alert people to mold? Are they trained for that? I know about

cancer-sniffing dogs, but not mold-sniffing dogs...

From: sally b <mustangsally2254@...>

Subject: Re: [] Moving this week, looking for inputs

Date: Sunday, January 16, 2011, 11:27 PM

If I were to do this (again!), I would stay there for a few days w/out any

items to avoid variables! I did this--thanks to my amazing doctor!--and my

medic-alert dog who alerts me and who had gotten " hyper " our first visit but not

second, refused to settle in! Contrary to testers who cleared the house, my dog

went crazy in difnt places! I hadn't moved anything in! Had I done so, I may not

havé recognized that the structure itself was not good for either my dog or me!

I would go as minimalist as possible for awhile! I am extremely reactive right

now. I have discovered that books/papers, clothes, and upholstéred/porous

items create the most concern! If possiblé financiàlly, leave as much as you

can! Environmnt/dietWhat is your primary exposure to? I agree with carl and jack

when they warn that our immune systems become reactivé to once-benign irritants

and foods! I fear that folks over-focus on mold when it could be a new

sensitivity due to our

hyper-vigilànt immune systems! Good lúck!

[Guest guest]

I used to spray Lysol into the incoming vents as the ac would smell moldy

In a message dated 1/17/2011 11:04:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

wanna_party_in_LA@... writes:

thanks for all the infos. So porous stuff/material/books are the worse?

Seems logical. I'll try cleaning the metals and bringing them. Still not sure

what to do about plastics like my TV and my computer. I dont think i would

react to off-gassing at this point since I dont think i was reacting to

them in my former appartment (well, I guess I cant be certain of that since I

was always in brain fog in that appartment). But these electronics have

lots of place where dust can hide.

I have so many books

I also cant decide what to do with my car. My doctor thinks I should sell

it, and I'm willing to do it if it helps me getting better - however I

definitely cant sell it by Wednesday (which is my move in day). I think I'll

get it thoroughly cleaned wednesday, then perhaps try to rub the

material/plastics/leather parts with ammonia and spray the vents with it? how

much

ammonia per gallon of water? is ammonia safe on leather? will i react to the

ammonia fumes thereafter? or should i try borax instead?

then ill put new bed sheets on the seats to try to isolate my clothes from

the car (to avoid cross-contaminating my appartment). And ill avoid using

AC until I sell it.

Anyway I spent the night on amazon looking for new clothes, bedding, etc

to get by. With the brain fog everything takes me at least twice as long. So

ill go back to my hotel for a few hours to sleep. What a life.

btw shom41 I was talking about water filters, not air filters. I also

would not bring in old air filters..

[Guest guest]

Buying store samples are a good idea-at least they've been offgassing for a long

time out in the showroom-it's how I bought a new microwave. Unfortunately I

thought of it after I bought my new washer-which is still offgassing and causing

me alot of trouble.

> �Hey all,

>

> I'm moving in my new apartment this week and I'm looking for inputs from the

most sensitives. None of my furniture have any visible signs of mold/mildew. If

it were for you, would you accept (A) or replace ®

>

[Guest guest]

thanks for all the infos. So porous stuff/material/books are the worse? Seems

logical. I'll try cleaning the metals and bringing them. Still not sure what to

do about plastics like my TV and my computer. I dont think i would react to

off-gassing at this point since I dont think i was reacting to them in my former

appartment (well, I guess I cant be certain of that since I was always in brain

fog in that appartment). But these electronics have lots of place where dust can

hide.

I have so many books

I also cant decide what to do with my car. My doctor thinks I should sell it,

and I'm willing to do it if it helps me getting better - however I definitely

cant sell it by Wednesday (which is my move in day). I think I'll get it

thoroughly cleaned wednesday, then perhaps try to rub the

material/plastics/leather parts with ammonia and spray the vents with it? how

much ammonia per gallon of water? is ammonia safe on leather? will i react to

the ammonia fumes thereafter? or should i try borax instead?

then ill put new bed sheets on the seats to try to isolate my clothes from the

car (to avoid cross-contaminating my appartment). And ill avoid using AC until I

sell it.

Anyway I spent the night on amazon looking for new clothes, bedding, etc to get

by. With the brain fog everything takes me at least twice as long. So ill go

back to my hotel for a few hours to sleep. What a life.

btw shom41 I was talking about water filters, not air filters. I also would not

bring in old air filters..

[Guest guest]

Here is my reason for storage:

1) in our case, we don't really know what my son reacts to as he mostly

doesn't get better or worse upon exposures or removal from exposures, he

is very masked, but 2 docs said to leave the stuff behind, safe vs sorry.

2) when we moved, we started out very stripped down and have gradually

moved more stuff in as it doesn't seem to affect him

3) we left almost all papers, upholstered furniture behind, washed and

rewashed clothing, blankets etc.

4) there are some papers we need--tax records, etc. that we have to

save but don't want in our living space, so storage...

5) there are some papers, like photos we want, so storage, if never

tolerable to an individual they could be scanned.

Initially when we moved I just wanted to get rid of, be done with it, so

much work, so much " trauma " , now 6 months later I am glad we held on to

the majority of our possessions, some of the upholstered furniture i am

moving to my mom's vacation home, makes an upgrade there, and there is

absolutely nothing wrong with the furniture, i have checked that out

with multiple sources, not contaminating or hurting anyone else. Other

stuff we no longer wanted, sold on craigslist and got a little cash...

slowly sorting thru the rest, getting rid of the stuff we no longer want

or need, organizing it, the plastic stackable storage tubs help this

process a lot, if you can tolerate plastic, as you can see what is in

each box and they stack better than cardboard boxes.

Whether an item would become usable for you later depends on your

reactivity and whether you overcome your hypersensitivity, allergies, etc.

my 2 cents.

sue v

>I've heard people mention that they put things in storage. Can somebody

>explain the reasoning behind this? Mold doesn't disintegrate in a few

>years' time, does it? It would be great to be able to keep my things and

>use them later, so I'm really just curious what the thought process is,

>if they become usable later. 

>

[Guest guest]

I am a verocious reader but I have to buy books brand new

Janet

In a message dated 1/17/2011 4:28:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

dragonflymcs@... writes:

your electronics should be opened up and cleaned

Papers books I have a serious problem with if they were contaminated or

were in

a moldy place.

I won't rub amonia on anything in the car, but that is me. I think people

have

placed a cup of amoina on the floor and closed it. If you have a

chemical

intolerance forget amonia.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

[Guest guest]

Take it from someone whose moved ALLOT in the past 3 months. There's nothing

more disheartening than going through all the hard work of decontaminating what

few things you have left in the world only to move them and realize something

you brought with you is still making you sick. Im my experience by the time

you've realized it its to late the damage is done and now you have to figure out

what your going to do to fix the problem. For the record when I move the only

things I bring with me are my supplements and even those are taken out of the

plastic bottles and put into zip lock bags, everything else is new. Like the

others have said dont make this move complicated, take very little with you when

you move into your new place. If it were me I'd live there for 2 weeks before I

moved anything in after that 2 week period I'd move one thing in at a time.

The problem that I experienced when looking for an apartment was the paint and

carpet cleaner they use. The minute I'd walk into a newly painted apartment and

a freshly cleaned carpet I couldnt run to the door fast enough now Im stuck

living in hotel rooms till my hypersensitivity calms down.

Sorry for such a long post Im just really feeling down today, kind of losing

hope at this point

>

> Hey all,

>

> I'm moving in my new apartment this week and I'm looking for inputs from the

most sensitives. None of my furniture have any visible signs of mold/mildew. If

it were for you, would you accept (A) or replace ®

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sue! I am slowly scanning in all my papers (taxes) and putting all my

books into a spreadsheet so I can remember what they are before I sell them to

Half Price books. I plan to replace them with digital versions on Kindle and

eventually, when I'm settled in a new, safer place, replace the books I adored

(like choosing between children) with the " real deal. " Clothing is a harder

thing for me-replacing all the work clothes, winter clothes, etc.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 17, 2011, at 10:33 AM, sue <svican@...> wrote:

Here is my reason for storage:

1) in our case, we don't really know what my son reacts to as he mostly

doesn't get

[Guest guest]

I like peroxide in car vents-ammonia makes me very sick and peroxide just

bleaches everything out. Alot of poeple here will say that bleach doesn't always

kill the mold, and while that is probably true, most of the time it does the job

for me. And in a car there just is no choice-I'm driving an ever so slightly

moldy A/C car so i bleach it every so often, keep the windows open and where my

goggles when I drive.

Also-my heart breaks for your books! I also gutted and dumped an entire packed

basement-in fact some of the books were so dear to me that they are now living

in a sealed box in my mom's house-I just couldn't throw them out. I will never

take them home with me but maybe one day my grandchildren might?

Plastics and mold are a funny thing-most plastic absorbs mold odor like crazy

and have to be thrown away, but I salvaged one or two things from the basement

that I thought I would never be able to do. FYI Star Wars monster figurines

don't seem to absorb mold!

Good Luck, Surella

>

>

> thanks for all the infos. So porous stuff/material/books are the worse? Seems

logical. I'll try

[Guest guest]

It is based on anecdotal information that after 5 years the mycotoxins and VOC's

oxidize away. But they should be cleaned of spores and stored in dry storage

only.

>

> I've heard people mention that they put things in storage. Can somebody

explain the reasoning behind this? Mold doesn't disintegrate in a few years'

time, does it? It would be great to be able to keep my things and use them

later, so I'm really just curious what the thought process is, if they become

usable later. 

>

[Guest guest]

Hey, good to know. I've had stuff in storage for 4 1/2 years that used to be in

a house with a moldy kitchen. I was wondering if I needed to be concerned about

it. The furniture is new and in good condition, wasn't in that house long, just

a wipe down ought to be fine. The soft stuff I'll just have to find out.

-----Original Message-----

[Guest guest]

your electronics should be opened up and cleaned

 

Papers books I have a serious problem with if they were contaminated or were in

a moldy place. 

 

I won't rub amonia on anything in the car, but that is me. I think people have

placed a cup of amoina on the floor and closed it.   If you have a chemical

intolerance forget amonia.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: lyme_exterminator <wanna_party_in_LA@...>

Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 10:27:14 AM

Subject: [] Re: Moving this week, looking for inputs

 

thanks for all the infos. So porous stuff/material/books are the worse? Seems

logical. I'll try cleaning the metals and bringing them. Still not sure what to

do about plastics like my TV and my computer. I dont think i would react to

off-gassing at this point since I dont think i was reacting to them in my former

appartment (well, I guess I cant be certain of that since I was always in brain

fog in that appartment). But these electronics have lots of place where dust can

hide.

I have so many books

I also cant decide what to do with my car. My doctor thinks I should sell it,

and I'm willing to do it if it helps me getting better - however I definitely

cant sell it by Wednesday (which is my move in day). I think I'll get it

thoroughly cleaned wednesday, then perhaps try to rub the

material/plastics/leather parts with ammonia and spray the vents with it? how

much ammonia per gallon of water? is ammonia safe on leather? will i react to

the ammonia fumes thereafter? or should i try borax instead?

then ill put new bed sheets on the seats to try to isolate my clothes from the

car (to avoid cross-contaminating my appartment). And ill avoid using AC until I

sell it.

Anyway I spent the night on amazon looking for new clothes, bedding, etc to get

by. With the brain fog everything takes me at least twice as long. So ill go

back to my hotel for a few hours to sleep. What a life.

btw shom41 I was talking about water filters, not air filters. I also would not

bring in old air filters..

[Guest guest]

: I have never heard that mycotoxins can oxidize away in 5 years? I Is

there something I might read about this? Thanks Diane

> >

> > I've heard people mention that they put things in storage. Can somebody

explain the reasoning behind this? Mold doesn't disintegrate in a few years'

time, does it? It would be great to be able to keep my things and use them

later, so I'm really just curious what the thought process is, if they become

usable later. 

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My dog came with severe allergies! I have trained her to react to her mold

reaction with a sneeze! She also severely reacts to VOCs and formaldehyde! A

blessing! Her responses alert me to dangers that would do harm to my lungs

before I have any inclination! Good thoughts! Sally

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Dogs can alert people to mold? Are they trained for that? I know about

cancer-sniffing dogs, but not mold-sniffing dogs...

[Guest guest]

Ive done that or wear my mask to read

In a message dated 1/18/2011 10:04:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

surellabaer@... writes:

I also read alot-one or two books a week and have always used the library

because of the expense. i now read my books through a plastic bag-it's not

the greatest way to read but I don't get sick.

>

> I am a verocious reader but I have to buy books brand new

> Janet

[Guest guest]

I also read alot-one or two books a week and have always used the library

because of the expense. i now read my books through a plastic bag-it's not the

greatest way to read but I don't get sick.

>

> I am a verocious reader but I have to buy books brand new

> Janet

[Guest guest]

Hi J.G.,

 

God works in a strange and mysterious way. By HIS intervention, or by sheer

coincidence, immediately before your email arrived, I had decided to cut down

some vinyl wall covering that had started peeling off of the ceiling, above my

bathtub. As I did that, I uncovered a massive amount of mold on the ceiling, and

walls, underneath the vinyl covering. I am currently in the process of removing

it.

 

This reminds me to make you aware of something which is rarely discussed on the

Sickbuildings Board. That is, NOT ALL MOLD IS " TOXIC MOLD " , and not all mold

causes a " toxic " reaction within our body. After a few hours of working on my

remediation, followed by a night's sleep, with most of the mold still

unremediated, I am pleasantly surprised to find that NOT ONLY am I not getting a

" toxic " mold reaction, I am also NOT getting an " allergic/asthmatic " mold

reaction. From past mold exposures, I know that I have had both " toxic " and

" allergic " mold reactions, in the past. Sometimes they have occurred

concurrently, with my daily asthma medication being effective against ONLY the

allergic component of my reaction, and NOT effective against the " toxic "

component. My allergic component is confined to experiencing asthma in my lungs.

One hundred percent of asthma reactions, in anyone, are confined to their lungs.

Non-asthmatic " allergic " reactions are

experienced differently, by different people, " body-wide " , and not just

confined to the lungs.

 

I am wearing an N-95 face mask, and clear plastic goggles over my eyeglasses,

and disposable vinyl gloves, for the remediation process, because even if the

mold is non-toxic and non-allergic, the mold particles could still cause

trouble, if they got into my mouth, nose or eyes.

 

If it were not for the typical " mold-stench " , which I did not notice while the

mold was still covered up by the vinyl wall covering, I would not even know that

I was in the middle of a mold remediation. In MY case, as I suspect in

everyone's case, the intensity of the stench has no correlation to the extent of

any " toxic " mold reaction that we will experience.

 

So, based on the above, I doubt that my childhood-onset asthma problems were

caused by exposure to mold. My " body-wide " feeling that every molecule in my

body is " exploding " , is only present during " toxic " mold reactions, and NOT

during " allergic/asthma " mold reactions " .

 

Our mold problems are very complex. It is strange to be in my home, in the

middle of a mold remediation, while thinking to myself: " Why am I NOT sick-I

SHOULD be sick " .

 

The underlying biochemistry of our toxic mold reactions, once it is discovered

by scientists, will surely be fascinating.

 

Below is the link to my 2 page mold memoirs, online, that J.G. is referring to,

below. 

 

http://tinyurl.com/24uvsea

 

God Bless,

Joe

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Hey Joe - at your father's age something was going to kill him. But yeah I would

not be surprised at all if mold seriously accelerated that process. Sorry for

your loss. By reading your story, I would not be surprised if your

childhood-onset asthma and subsequent chemical sensitivity were due to a mold

exposure, without you knowning. Not an extreme mold exposure like the building

you describe, but still enough to cause remodeling in your lungs and changes to

your immune system and what toxins it reacts to.