Guest guest Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 >By the way, the " hydrolization " that in some cases can portend negative health conditions (hydrolized yeast, for instance, can produce MSG in its manufacture), in this case is apparently okay. > >Nenah I'm not exactly sure of all the issues in " hydrolization " but it is basically when the protein combines with water, which I'm surmising also happens when protein is fermented (a lot of the " hydrolyzed " products are in fact fermented). Anyway, it's often a GOOD thing. At least in one rat study I read, hydrolyzed casein was ok for rat pups (didn't cause T1 diabetes) but regular casein was bad. Which might be why the Russians had good luck with kefir for preemies! Of course, if hydrolyzed whitefish is good then putting fish in kimchi would be the way to go! My kimchi is loaded with pulverized tiny anchovies ... hydrolyzed proteins galore! Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 You can solve constipation w ascorbin acid powder/vit c; or magnesium supplements. You just find the dosing size that brings results. Side effect is that you get the benefit of the vit c or magnesium so it's a win/win. > severe chronic constipation. take 4 T of castor oil daily to help with bowel movement and sometimes that does not bring results. I only weigh 88 pounds. > > Thanks again for all the help. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 i just wrote a long response and then the server disconnected, so i'm sorry if you get this post twice... firstly, are you sure that you are not still exposed to mold or other triggers? it sounds like your diet is good to minimize candida, but the long term very low carb diet isn't great for your overall health, especially if you're already underweight. without knowing much of your medical history, it's challenging to give you more specific information, however it sounds like there are several different things going on in addition to mold exposure. have you had your sex hormones, thyroid tested as well as current levels of candida in your bowels and autoimmune indicators. were you tested for h. pylori? do you have a hiatal hernia? also, if you examine your own stools carefully that will give you a lot of information as to how your digestion is doing. is there undigested food, is it pasty, hard, what color it is, does it float or sink, etc. heart burn - have you tried fresh green cabbage juice. there are also many chinese herbs that may help you with heart burn - coptis, cuttle fish, etc, but i recommend that you don't self medicate but consult a licensed and experienced herbalist. if your digestive enzyme contains hcl, it's best to avoid it. constipation - you need adequate fluids, oil, fiber and your intestines need to be flexible and move well (peristalsis). magnesium is good. vit c is good, but too much may flare up other symptoms. there are some great qi gong breathing exercises to increase peristalsis in the bowels. it's easy to do, but hard to explain via email. have your tried fiber supplements - if you take it make sure you drink an adequate amount of water. i don't recommend purgatives, because you body will become dependent on them. you may want to try steaming your veggies to increase water volume. avoid baked or deep fried foods as these tend to dehydrate you or make constipation worse. you may also want to do abdominal massages with castor oil - massage up the right, across your stomach, down the left with medium/strong pressure. rosacea - have you tried masks with cucumber and seaweed or clay? if your skin is sensitive, you'll need to be careful with this. rosacea will respond well in general if your body is more alkaline. lichen sclerosis - have you tried applying castor oil. if you try it, make sure you test small areas first. please consult your doctor before you try any of these things. > > Thanks for all your help. I have candida, rosacea, lichen sclerosis, severe chronic constipation. My symptoms of heartburn are worse as the day goes on they are minimal at breakfast and then get worse as the days goes on. I have severe burning and discomfort in the Upper Gastric region and into my throat. It does not get worse when lying down (?reflux, I don't think so). I have been on a very low carb diet, high good protein (only organic beef and chicken), organic butter, olive oil, and coconut oil for 5 years. I never do any fruit or any high carb vegetables. I am very good with diet. Never cheat...just can't without huge reaction. I also take CDX, digestive enzymes alternate several OTC anti-fungals and high doses of Custom probiotics. I also take 4 T of castor oil daily to help with bowel movement and sometimes that does not bring results. I only weigh 88 pounds. > > Thanks again for all the help. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Steaming of veggies increase water? I would think steaming veggies would decrease water since veggies become softer. I would think raw veggies would contain more water. > you may want to try steaming your veggies to increase water volume. > lichen sclerosis - have you tried applying castor oil. if you try it, make sure you test small areas first. > > please consult your doctor before you try any of these things. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Hi Mokomo, I have interest in your speak of floaters and sinkers................. I saw something about that once and I am totally curious as to what they mean ?? God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: momoko_uno <momoko_uno@...> Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 2:03:49 PM Subject: [] Re: Healing The Gut i just wrote a long response and then the server disconnected, so i'm sorry if you get this post twice... firstly, are you sure that you are not still exposed to mold or other triggers? it sounds like your diet is good to minimize candida, but the long term very low carb diet isn't great for your overall health, especially if you're already underweight. without knowing much of your medical history, it's challenging to give you more specific information, however it sounds like there are several different things going on in addition to mold exposure. have you had your sex hormones, thyroid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 ahh yes, the floaters and sinkers. it's mostly to do with how much fat is in the poop. oil and fat will float on water. usually the more fat in the poop, the more likely it will float. floating poop may indicate that your gall bladder is not processing fats or that your gut is not absorbing fat so the unprocessed oil is left in the poop, hence it floats. there are some oils that are not absorbed by the body, for example olestra. i have read many debates about if a healthy poop floats or sinks. my personal opinion is that poop should sink unless you're eating a lot of oils that don't get absorbed by the body. i hope that's helpful. > > Hi Mokomo, > > I have interest in your speak of floaters and sinkers................. I saw > something about that once and I am totally curious as to what they mean ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 one way you can know for sure if the veggie is increasing in water volume is if you weigh it before and after you cook it. maybe i should have said steaming or boiling are the least dehydrating ways to cook veggies. if you saute, bake, grill, you will lose more water content because the heat without the presence of water will evaporate the water in the veggies. i hope that makes sense. > > Steaming of veggies increase water? I would think steaming veggies would decrease water since veggies become softer. I would think raw veggies would contain more water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Yes, I am just interested in the subject. Thank you, can you elaborate more. God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: momoko_uno <momoko_uno@...> Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 8:33:24 PM Subject: [] Re: Healing The Gut ahh yes, the floaters and sinkers. it's mostly to do with how much fat is in the poop. oil and fat will float on water. usually the more fat in the poop, the more likely it will float. floating poop may indicate that your gall bladder is not processing fats or that your gut is not absorbing fata New Topic Messages in this topic (6) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 my allergist told me if they float it is your diet Janet In a message dated 2/12/2011 10:17:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dragonflymcs@... writes: Yes, I am just interested in the subject. Thank you, can you elaborate more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 do you mean about poop in general or the floating and sinking issue? > > Yes, I am just interested in the subject. Thank you, can you elaborate more. >> > ________________________________ > From: momoko_uno <momoko_uno@...> > > > ahh yes, the floaters and sinkers. it's mostly to do with how much fat is in the > poop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Hi Deb- For me, I was taught that before drawing any conclusions about my gut symptoms, to do regular ongoing Intestinal Permeability and CDSA testing. Before we can do anything with my gut, we gotta know what's going on with it. And if nothing shows up, then we move on to treating the symptoms. I will never forget my bout with Klebsiella which once treated, the awful abdominal cramping and constipation totally lifted. There was another time that I was on a very expensive probiotic yet the CDSA showed no good guys in my gut at all. Examples like this taught me the importance for me to keep up with gut testing cause sometimes, it can be something specific yet simple like a gut pathogen or lack of good bacteria. Thus for me, my constipation issues and gut problems can have a zillion reasons why. Sounds nuts but one of them can be probiotic overdosing. There are also certain digestive enzymes strains that can also cause me problems. Also having messed around with various things through the years, the gastric thing you describe in your posting is related to my sluggish digestive process thus a lot of my dietary intake is via liquid combinations. And since the chemical poisoning, I now must supplement by incorporating IV drips for vits/mins that I just can't seem to consistently absorb. And periodically do Meyers and Glut pushes as well. I have never in my life ever been able to tolerate 3 meals per day. I have always been more a grazer with maybe one meal in the early part of the day. Even during my super athelete years at a highly competitive collegiate then semi-pro level, I ate only one meal but supplemented with a lot of liquid stuff and grazing. I was lucky to be exposed to top notch trainers versed at suppplementing athetes in such as way as to reduce digestive demands yet still provide the body with vital necessary nutrients. But also must acknowlegde the input I have received from other PWC's throughout the years that cause me to wonder if most of us don't have some sort of reduced diminshed digestive process. Right now I am back to what I tried years ago and that is good old Betaine HCI which is doing just fine for now. I hear you when you say that you can't take a lot of supplements. I think sometimes my body forces me to back off of throwing so much into it and expecting it to absorb it all. Thus I have realllyyy narrowed down the zillion supplements to titrating them as needed. Other than periodic cleanses, it pretty much boils down to detox cocktail, gut stuff, antiox, neurotransmitters, vitamin and bone stuff. Just want to mention that like you, I too have Lichen Sclerosus (there is a fantastic LS webgroup)as well as a host of other autoimuune issues, of which LS is considered to be. Very miserable to manage and deal with. My heart goes out to you. Kathy >Thanks for all your help. I have candida, rosacea, lichen sclerosis, severe chronic constipation. My symptoms of heartburn are worse as the day goes...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Heartburn can happen because of constipation. Would you be able to tolerate cascara sagrada or some other herbal laxative? Or magnesium? I need magnesium anyway and it helps me be regular. I don't know about all of your conditions and I understand about staying away from fruit and don't know if this would help or not, but you might want to consider an exception. Apples. They are amazing for healing the stomach and gut. I depended on them for a long time together with my other protocols. They also have helped me with my gallbladder and with bile coming up into my throat. The pectin from apples has a lot to do with the healing part. Apple pectin can also be purchased at the health store. I took turns with eating them raw and cooked. I have been 88 lbs more than once. I hope you will be able to put the weight back on again. Best wishes, anita ---From: deb3857wick Thanks for all your help. I have candida, rosacea, lichen sclerosis, severe chronic constipation. My symptoms of heartburn are worse as the day goes on they are minimal at breakfast and then get worse as the days goes on. I have severe burning and discomfort in the Upper Gastric region and into my throat. It does not get worse when lying down (?reflux, I don't think so). I have been on a very low carb diet, high good protein (only organic beef and chicken), organic butter, olive oil, and coconut oil for 5 years. I never do any fruit or any high carb vegetables. I am very good with diet. Never cheat...just can't without huge reaction. I also take CDX, digestive enzymes alternate several OTC anti-fungals and high doses of Custom probiotics. I also take 4 T of castor oil daily to help with bowel movement and sometimes that does not bring results. I only weigh 88 pounds. Thanks again for all the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 If they float you're not digesting fat, so it floats. Or it's bacteria or yeast. I had fowl smelling stools from eating eggs every day. I wasn't digesting the best, the sulphur or a combo. Probiotics can help or cause die off in the beginning, just as anti-fungals. Kathy  <Gingersnap1964@...>  Re: [] Re: Healing The Gut my allergist told me if they float it is your diet Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 i'm wondering if the sulfur intolerance is common with mold toxicity? Im very sulfur intolerant, never was before as far as I know, D On 2011-02-14 11:25:05 +1100 KathyB <calicocat477@...> wrote: > > If they float you're not digesting fat, so it floats. > > Or it's bacteria or yeast. > > I had fowl smelling stools from eating eggs every day. I wasn't digesting the > best, the sulphur or a combo. > > Probiotics can help or cause die off in the beginning, just as anti-fungals. > > Kathy > > > <Gingersnap1964@...> > Re: [] Re: Healing The Gut > > my allergist told me if they float it is your diet > > Janet > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 That's a good question. I started w sulfur intolerance after mold exposure. From: Dana S <candalah@...> Subject: Re: [] Re: Healing The Gut  i'm wondering if the sulfur intolerance is common with mold toxicity? Im very sulfur intolerant, never was before as far as I know, D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 There seems to be a couple of people in that boat, can also be linked with parasites i think as my dodgy memory seems to be telling me that the same liver pathway deals with parasites, mold etc as that which processes sulfur. I tried to respond to your personal email but its keeps bouncing?? Just so you know im not ignoring you and will write later. Having a lot of mail issues lately and sometimes that happens? ________________________ On 2011-02-14 13:33:23 +1100 KathyB <calicocat477@...> wrote: >That's a good question. I started w sulfur intolerance after mold exposure. > > From: Dana S <candalah@...> > Subject: Re: [] Re: Healing The Gut > > i'm wondering if the sulfur intolerance is common with mold toxicity? Im very > sulfur intolerant, never was before as far as I know, >> D > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Deb, have you done any kind of detoxing? I have been very low in weight at least 3 times. Each time after I did detoxing the weight started coming back on all by itself. anita ---From: deb3857wick I only weigh 88 pounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I get that from cheese and dairy products in general. Now that I'm dairy free my poop doesn't have a smell at all. It's such a revelation! (I can't believe I'm actually talking about this!) > > If they float you're not digesting fat, so it floats. > > Or it's bacteria or yeast. > > I had fowl smelling stools from eating eggs every day. I wasn't digesting the best, the sulphur or a combo. > > Probiotics can help or cause die off in the beginning, just as anti-fungals. > > Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I'm also dealing with sulfur problems too. Actually any preservative, additive, food coloring, pesticides etc gives me severe symptoms. The gut issue is really a large topic, because as many others have pointed out there could be a lot of different things going on. For example hormonal, other infections, tumors etc. Parasites is a definite possibility, especially with weight loss. They can be a little tricky to diagnose, because they are good at hiding and stool analysis is limited. If you do have parasites there is a good parasite purge protocol in Pitchford's book " Healing with whole foods. " I don't like most of his book, but parts of the detox section I think are good. > ________________________ > > Dana wrote: > > >That's a good question. I started w sulfur intolerance after mold exposure. > > > > From: Dana S <candalah@...> > > Subject: Re: [] Re: Healing The Gut > > > > i'm wondering if the sulfur intolerance is common with mold toxicity? Im very > > sulfur intolerant, never was before as far as I know, > >> D > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 detoxing is great, but be very careful when you do it, especially if you're underweight. detoxing will usually induce a healing crisis when the toxins come out, so you need to have the resources to deal with the toxic purge. again, it's best to work with someone who knows what they are doing, rather than trying these things by yourself. most doctors will think you have 2 heads if you talk about detoxing mold, although you may be lucky to find a good one who knows about it. you're more likely to find a nutritionist, chiropractor or acupuncturist/herbalist who is familiar with detoxing. just make sure you ask them if they have worked with people with severe food sensitivities and mold exposure before you proceed, because the detox protocol will be a little different in such cases. > > Deb, have you done any kind of detoxing? I have been very low in weight at least 3 times. Each time after I did detoxing the weight started coming back on all by itself. > > anita > > > ---From: deb3857wick > > I only weigh 88 pounds. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Thanks, yes i do have a couple of nasty bugs too. They are tough ones to beat, very resostant. Treatment is 4 antibiotic treatment which im not going to do as it would mess up my gut too much. ----- Sent from mBox Mail on my iPad http://www.fluentfactory.com/mboxmail ________________________ On 2011-02-15 05:57:24 +1100 momoko_uno <momoko_uno@...> wrote: > > I'm also dealing with sulfur problems too. Actually any preservative, > additive, food coloring, pesticides etc gives me severe symptoms. > > The gut issue is really a large topic, because as many others have pointed > out there could be a lot of different things going on. For example hormonal, > other infections, tumors etc. > > Parasites is a definite possibility, especially with weight loss. They can be > a little tricky to diagnose, because they are good at hiding and stool > analysis is limited. > > If you do have parasites there is a good parasite purge protocol in > Pitchford's book " Healing with whole foods. " I don't like most of his book, > but parts of the detox section I think are good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Thank you Momoko for this information, I have wondered about it for a long time and what it says about my digestion. I very seldom have a floater and always wondered why it would happen. I will try to pay attention next time it happens to what I've eaten the day before or so and see if I can find out if there is a fat I'm not processing. anita ---From: momoko_uno  ahh yes, the floaters and sinkers. it's mostly to do with how much fat is in the poop. oil and fat will float on water. usually the more fat in the poop, the more likely it will float. floating poop may indicate that your gall bladder is not processing fats or that your gut is not absorbing fat so the unprocessed oil is left in the poop, hence it floats. there are some oils that are not absorbed by the body, for example olestra. i have read many debates about if a healthy poop floats or sinks. my personal opinion is that poop should sink unless you're eating a lot of oils that don't get absorbed by the body. i hope that's helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 what types of bugs? there are many alternative ways to get rid of bugs. i can't take antibiotics anymore either, so have relied on herbs, supplements and dietary changes to get rid of all sorts of nasties. > > Thanks, yes i do have a couple of nasty bugs too. They are tough ones to beat, very resostant. Treatment is 4 antibiotic treatment which im not going to do as it would mess up my gut too much. > > ----- > Sent from mBox Mail on my iPad > http://www.fluentfactory.com/mboxmail > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Thanks mommoko, they are blastocistis hominis and diamenta fragilis.. See badbugs.org nasty ones apparently On 2011-02-15 12:51:22 +1100 momoko_uno <momoko_uno@...> wrote: > > what types of bugs? there are many alternative ways to get rid of bugs. i > can't take antibiotics anymore either, so have relied on herbs, supplements > and dietary changes to get rid of all sorts of nasties. > > >> >> Thanks, yes i do have a couple of nasty bugs too. They are tough ones to >> beat, very resostant. Treatment is 4 antibiotic treatment which im not >> going to do as it would mess up my gut too much. >> >> ----- >> Sent from mBox Mail on my iPad >> http://www.fluentfactory.com/mboxmail >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Dana, A few months ago a natural doctor I went to see said I had parasites and she was going to give me a machine to take home with me that would " zap " them, but it ended up she said I didn't need it after all, that my body could eliminate them itself because of the treatment she gave me. Be that as it may, I could try to find out what this little machine is called if you would like. Apparently it gives off some sort of frequency or something that kills the parasites. It might be a way to get rid of them without having to take something you might not tolerate so well. Black walnut tincture/extract is very good for killing parasites, as is wormwood. anita P.S. So I was at our local health store some weeks ago and the owner who does iridology looked in my eyes and said I have parasites. Huh...... So I'm taking black walnut, but can only take such tiny amounts (as with everything) don't know if it's doing anything, ha. ---From: Dana S Thanks mommoko, they are blastocistis hominis and diamenta fragilis.. See badbugs.org nasty ones apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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