To Carl: -- saving a bulk carpeting sample from classroom? --

[Guest guest]

>

> That it might be something other than mold or in addition to mold. Which means

if you only say mold then that is all they and their inspectors will look for.

If they can easily dismiss just mold they will and your " complaint " is dead.

>

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Well, they have dismissed mold, and therefore flatly refused to allow any

further testing, and they insist

1 " There is nothing wrong with the building, as the investigation was fine. "

and

2. therefore, that the carpeting is to be removed over Spring Break under

" normal procedures. "

If we can't gather data on safety, then we have to assume that careful removal

is the only proper way. So, if they are NOT willing to do careful removal, I

must ask that they wait until summer to do the work. The child's doctor is

willing to write a letter for this.

Rip it out poorly NOW or leave it until summer with air purification in place,

and careful medical monitoring of the child by the doctor?

[Guest guest]

tell them if they do it now it better be done over the weekend and the place

better get a very good cleaning ,and airing out or something.

I dont think another month or 2 of exposure is a good idea. and I dont know that

I'd put much trust in air cleaners, some of them just stir up the air more than

anything else.

a kid may not be able to tell if they are being affected in even tiny amounts, I

wouldn't take the risk. sorry, but I'd be throwing a b@@@@

fit. go in there with a vedio camera and start documenting the siuation, what

ever it takes to put the fear in them.

go to the news station and see if they well do a story. you kid should not have

to be dealing with this. going to school is not supposed to ruin your health!

> >

> > That it might be something other than mold or in addition to mold. Which

means if you only say mold then that is all they and their inspectors will look

for. If they can easily dismiss just mold they will and your " complaint " is

dead.

> >

> ___________________

>

> Well, they have dismissed mold, and therefore flatly refused to allow any

further testing, and they insist

> 1 " There is nothing wrong with the building, as the investigation was fine. "

> and

> 2. therefore, that the carpeting is to be removed over Spring Break under

" normal procedures. "

>

> If we can't gather data on safety, then we have to assume that careful removal

is the only proper way. So, if they are NOT willing to do careful removal, I

must ask that they wait until summer to do the work. The child's doctor is

willing to write a letter for this.

>

> Rip it out poorly NOW or leave it until summer with air purification in place,

and careful medical monitoring of the child by the doctor?

>

[Guest guest]

Removing the carpet doesn't have to be a big deal. All they have

to do is carefully release it from the tack strips (if it isn't glued)

without jerking and yanking to release dust and dirt into the air.

Wetting the surface will be a big help. Removing the dust and

debris from the floor beneath the carpet can be a bigger risk than

the carpet itself. Careful sweeping (damp mop) or HEPA vacuum

recommended.

If the carpet was glued then that is a different kettle of fish. The

glue has to be removed and that can be very difficult requiring

solvents or sanding, depending.

There are ways to contain the space and control the air flow

which will work much better than air purifiers. Dust control

companies should be able to help with that.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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wrote:

>

> That it might be something other than mold or in addition to mold.

Which means if you only say mold then that is all they and their

inspectors will look for. If they can easily dismiss just mold they will and

your " complaint " is dead.

>

___________________

Well, they have dismissed mold, and therefore flatly refused to allow any

further testing, and they insist

1 " There is nothing wrong with the building, as the investigation was

fine. "

and

2. therefore, that the carpeting is to be removed over Spring Break under

" normal procedures. "

If we can't gather data on safety, then we have to assume that careful

removal is the only proper way. So, if they are NOT willing to do careful

removal, I must ask that they wait until summer to do the work. The

child's doctor is willing to write a letter for this.

Rip it out poorly NOW or leave it until summer with air purification in

place, and careful medical monitoring of the child by the doctor?

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[Guest guest]

Carl, I agree, removing the carpet shouldn't be such a big deal, but

unfortunately, in most schools, normal procedures are to rip it out and toss

into a disposal bin indoors and or roll it up and carry it through the building

without bagging or wrapping in plastic. Because the carpets are poorly

maintained, ripping it out can create a cloudy particulate soup of allergens and

toxins. Wetting the carpet, cutting in strips, and bagging at the point of

removal can minimize aerosolizing the contaminants. HEPA-filtered air

scrubbers, or negative air is advisable. If dust is not controlled and makes

its way to the return plenum above ceiling tiles, contaminants can be spread to

other rooms.

Most of the carpets I have seen in schools are glued down, which as you mention,

can create a different set of hazards.

Connie Morbach

Sanit-Air, Inc.

> >

> > That it might be something other than mold or in addition to mold.

> Which means if you only say mold then that is all they and their

> inspectors will look for. If they can easily dismiss just mold they will and

> your " complaint " is dead.

> >

> ___________________

>

> Well, they have dismissed mold, and therefore flatly refused to allow any

> further testing, and they insist

> 1 " There is nothing wrong with the building, as the investigation was

> fine. "

> and

> 2. therefore, that the carpeting is to be removed over Spring Break under

> " normal procedures. "

>

> If we can't gather data on safety, then we have to assume that careful

> removal is the only proper way. So, if they are NOT willing to do careful

> removal, I must ask that they wait until summer to do the work. The

> child's doctor is willing to write a letter for this.

>

> Rip it out poorly NOW or leave it until summer with air purification in

> place, and careful medical monitoring of the child by the doctor?

>

>

>

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