Re: The Poisons and Allergens That Make up Household Dust

[Guest guest]

I got a small victory today thanks to you all!! We were able to prove that

Polly D. Vann dba V-Tech was not licensed with the state of texas and was

not qualified to do perform any of the test she did on our building. We

advised the building owner and I think he is really know he is in trouble

now. He did not follow any procedures required by the state of texas.

First he hired a restoration company that was not ceritfied or licensed to

remove mold. Second he did not have any test performed on the air before

the mold was removed. He did not take any samples of the mold that was

removed. The restoration company did not quarantine any of the offices that

were being remediated. Finally he did not hire a licensed mold consultant

to test the air. This would be Polly. I think when he saw the mold he was

so quick to remove and didn't care who did it. Little did he know....I have

you guys!! Yall have been great!! I guess he thought he could do a half

ass job with no care to our health. I think he is really capping his pants

now!! He has done the wrong thing from the get go. Polly was just the

icing on the cake!! Yeah!!! I am sure we still have a up hill battle ahead

but this was a huge road block that was crushed out of our way. Thanks

again to you all. I will keep you updated on any new information.

Leigh

[] The Poisons and Allergens That Make up Household

Dust

How could they not find mold? Not a single mention despite the

dust samples coming from Netherlands, 6 Midwestern states,

and Sacramento. My guess is they looked at the large particles if

this phrase is a clue, " ...Smaller dust particles - from 28 to 49

microns... " That's visible dust. Hair is about 100 microns. Most

mold is 1-10 microns. Most particle studies talk about PM 10 and

PM 2.5 (microns). The ultra-fine particles, which are even

smaller, are becoming a greater concern. Either this is a lousy

study or the news reporting is lousy.

http://news./s/time/20100223/hl_time/0859919668700

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Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

[Guest guest]

CWB!! Love it, that is the perfect nick name for you. You are so great. I

have learned so much from you all. Marcie I have CWB on speed dial, lol. I

am going to get the last laugh and bring her down.

Leigh

Re: [] The Poisons and Allergens That Make up

>> Household Dust

>>

>> I got a small victory today thanks to you all!! We were able to prove

>> that > Polly D. Vann dba V-Tech was not licensed with the state of texas

>> and was > not qualified to do perform any of the test she did on our

>> building. We > advised the building owner and I think he is really

>

> [Message truncated]

>

[Guest guest]

Leigh: You will need to find an honest Industrial hygienist, licensed. who will

be willing to work me and and Carl We can nail is hands to the wall and hang

lead weights from his vitals. Good work.

[] The Poisons and Allergens That Make up Household

Dust

How could they not find mold? Not a single mention despite the

dust samples coming from Netherlands, 6 Midwestern states,

and Sacramento. My guess is they looked at the large particles if

this phrase is a clue, " ...Smaller dust particles - from 28 to 49

microns... " That's visible dust. Hair is about 100 microns. Most

mold is 1-10 microns. Most particle studies talk about PM 10 and

PM 2.5 (microns). The ultra-fine particles, which are even

smaller, are becoming a greater concern. Either this is a lousy

study or the news reporting is lousy.

http://news./s/time/20100223/hl_time/0859919668700

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Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

[Guest guest]

Hi I am new to this group.

 I got sick in 2002 in another school building that had mold in it. I was in a

computer lab. The school dept decided to do construction in my immediate

area. They opened walls put holes in floors etc. They used pressure treated

wood in a closet in my room and made an electrical room in my server closet, The

hot air blew in my room.

 

Temp in my room was over 90 degrees. The roof for the bldg had been leaking

as well for years. It was leaking in my immediate area.  I started losing my

voice ( hoarseness , laryngitus, paresis, LPR,  Vocal cord problems, shortness

of breath, nodules, developed asthma,muscle joint problems( RA, FM),  high

blood pressure and so much more. I got skin and eye irritations.  I never had

any health issues prior to this. I went back to work after being on WC. I went

to the 2nd bldg.  I had some issues there. ( I lost my voice) My boss did too

after there was a leak in the room next to mine.

 

.. I moved to a different bldg fall 2009.( when my building closed. I had 504

work accommodations that never really got followed. One was to be placed in a

healthy bldg. I was put in a sick bldg. again.

 I got sick this fall 2009 because I had mold in my classroom. Mold was growing

on a cork board in my room.  There was also a leak in the room.  The school

dept. had a custodian remove the cork off the top part of the board. They left

the wooden portion of the board in the room ( It was all black which I imagine

was black mold) I took pictures of all of it.  I got sick with back to back

sinus infections, asthma flared up. I got bronchitus, lost my voice and burst a

blood vessel on my vocal cord from the cough I developed. I had fatigue and my

blood pressure was elevated. I ended up going to the drs, numerous times, ENT

and a new occupational environmental dr. I am now out on WC. . I found

out this school  had a problem with mold issues.  They did air quality

testing after the moldy board was removed.   ( 1 month later) The school dept

does their own testing. They always say there are no issues.

 

First time around 2002 I had someone scrape mold from classroom and  it was

sent it to a lab at MIT to prove there was mold. ( I found out what type it was)

Again school dept. tested after mold was removed. They stated air was fine. (

no issues)

Exactly what do they test when they do air quality testing ?

 

De

[Guest guest]

De: They only test for the presence of mold spores. The test is only good for

the time that it was taken. It is not good for the historical conditions of the

building. If you will email me separately I will send you a copy of my paper on

the Biocomplexity of Damp Indoor Spaces. This will bring you up to speed on

what they should have tested.

Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

www.drthrasher.org

toxicologist1@...

Off: 916-745-4703

Cell: 575-937-1150

L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC

Trauma Specialist

sandracrawley@...

916-745-4703 - Off

775-309-3994 - Cell

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Hi Jack,

This is my email address dgams1verizon (DOT) net  My school district tested each

time after the mold was removed. ( month  or two later this time.)  8 years

ago they waited longer than that to test. 

 Thank for the information

de

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From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 12:17:44 PM

Subject: [] Re: The Poisons and Allergens That Make up Household

Dust

 

De: They only test for the presence of mold spores. The test is only good for

the time that it was taken. It is not good for the historical conditions of the

building. If you will email me separately I will send you a copy of my paper on

the Biocomplexity of Damp Indoor Spaces. This will bring you up to speed on what

they should have tested.

Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/ Immunotoxicologi st/Fetaltoxicolo gist

www.drthrasher. org

toxicologist1@ msn.com

Off: 916-745-4703

Cell: 575-937-1150

L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC

Trauma Specialist

sandracrawley@ msn.com

916-745-4703 - Off

775-309-3994 - Cell

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De,

There really is no such thing as an " air quality test " just as there is

no single " health quality test " for people.

Air quality is a complex combination of lots of factors, mold being

just one of them. If they tested only for mold and declared

anything at all about " air quality " then they have a gross

misunderstanding of what they are doing. They get away with it

because most people don't know the difference.

What is needed is a professional inspection and assessment,

which may or may not include testing for mold and perhaps a

variety of others substances.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Hi I am new to this group.

I got sick in 2002 in another school building that had mold in it. I was in

a computer lab. The school dept decided to do construction in my

immediate area.They opened walls put holes in floors etc.They used

pressure treated wood in a closet in my room and made an electrical

room in my server closet, The hot air blew in my room.

Temp in myroom was over 90 degrees. The roof for the bldg had been

leaking aswell for years. It was leaking in my immediate area. I started

losing my voice ( hoarseness , laryngitus, paresis, LPR, Vocal cord

problems, shortness of breath, nodules, developed asthma,muscle joint

problems(RA, FM), high blood pressure and so much more. I got skin

and eye irritations. I never had any health issues prior to this. I went

back to work after being on WC. I went to the 2nd bldg.I had some

issues there. ( I lost my voice) My boss did too after there was a leak in

the room next to mine.

.. I movedto a different bldgfall 2009.( when my building closed.I had

504 work accommodations that never really got followed. One was to be

placed in a healthy bldg. I was put in a sick bldg. again.

I got sick this fall 2009 because I had mold in my classroom. Mold was

growing on a cork board in my room. There was also a leak in the room.

The school dept. had a custodian remove the cork off the top part of the

board. They left the wooden portion of the board in the room ( It was all

black which I imagine was black mold) I took pictures of all of it. I got

sick with back to back sinus infections, asthma flared up. I got

bronchitus, lost my voice and burst a blood vessel on my vocal cord from

the cough I developed. I had fatigue and my blood pressure was elevated.

I ended up going to the drs, numerous times, ENT and a new

occupational environmental dr. I am now out on WC.. I found outthis

school had a problem with mold issues.They did air quality testing after

the moldy board was removed. ( 1 month later) The school dept does

their own testing. They always say there are no issues.

First time around2002 Ihad someone scrape mold from classroomand

it was sent it to a lab at MIT to prove there was mold. ( I found out what

type it was) Againschool dept.tested after mold was removed. They

statedair was fine. ( no issues)

Exactly what do they test when they do air quality testing ?

De

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