Re: Lupus Induced by WDB ?

[Guest guest]

The term Lupus Like has historically been used for xenobiotic induced condition

that has similarities to lupus. I have always referred to the condition as

Lupus Like because it prevents confusion.

[] Lupus Induced by WDB ?

Hi All,

Can anyone fill in the gaps for me on Lupus Induced by WDB ? Is it truely

Lupus

or Lupus Like ??? Both ?

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

[Guest guest]

I was tested for Lupos when I first got sick Drs didn't know what they

were dealing with

Janet

In a message dated 1/16/2011 7:38:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

toxicologist1@... writes:

I am familiar with the older literature on this subject. I prefer calling

Lupus like. The term is consistent with autoimmune responses brought on by a

variety of toxins.

[Guest guest]

Thank you Dr Thrasher,

 So can you have Lupus from exposure to Stachy or is this just Lupus Like

??   I

found this today :

D. IMMUNE COMPLEXESImmune complexes occur when antigen and antibodies combine

and

have been implicated in numerous immunopathologic conditions, including

systemic lupus erythematosus, rheumatoid arthritis, glomerulonephritis,

and infectious induced in

Deposition of immune complexes can occur from cell or tissue speci

antibody-antigen reactions resulting in organ injury and/or immune complex

diseases (

observations on increased immune complexes that in

autoimmune reactions may exist in mold-exposed patients. Circulating

immune complexes containing IgG, IgM, and IgAantibodies can generate

a variety of substances associated with muscle damage and the acute

phase response that can activate the classic pathway of complement

(

complement system.flammation (Abbas et al., 1994).ficBigazzi et al., 1986). Thus

it would appear from theseflammation andSorensen et al., 2003). Autoantibodies

are also known to activate the

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 12:46:24 PM

Subject: Re: [] Lupus Induced by WDB ?

 

The term Lupus Like has historically been used for xenobiotic induced condition

that has similarities to lupus. I have always referred to the condition as Lupus

Like because it prevents confusion.

[Guest guest]

I am familiar with the older literature on this subject. I prefer calling Lupus

like. The term is consistent with autoimmune responses brought on by a variety

of toxins.

Re: [] Lupus Induced by WDB ?

Thank you Dr Thrasher,

So can you have Lupus from exposure to Stachy or is this just Lupus Like ??

I

found this today :

[Guest guest]

Dr Thrasher I am asking for a friend who was diagnosed with Lupus after exposure

to a water damaged building, exposure to Stachy among other contaminents

....... so I assume you are saying her symptoms are Lupus Like and not Lupus ? 

  

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 6:46:08 PM

Subject: Re: [] Lupus Induced by WDB ?

 

I am familiar with the older literature on this subject. I prefer calling Lupus

like. The term is consistent with autoimmune responses brought on by a variety

of toxins.

[Guest guest]

You are misunderstanding what I wrote. If her doctor says its lupus, then it is

lupus. However, the diagnosis of lupus require positive finding on both anti

nuclear antibodies (ANA) and anti double stranded DNA. Usually, semiotic

exposure related lupus like only has positive ANA. Therefore, the appropriate

term is lupus like.

Re: [] Lupus Induced by WDB ?

Dr Thrasher I am asking for a friend who was diagnosed with Lupus after

exposure

to a water damaged building, exposure to Stachy among other contaminents

...... so I assume you are saying her symptoms are Lupus Like and not Lupus ?

[Guest guest]

Thank you, I will ask if those where her findings. 

 

  

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 9:23:05 PM

Subject: Re: [] Lupus Induced by WDB ?

 

You are misunderstanding what I wrote. If her doctor says its lupus, then it is

lupus. However, the diagnosis of lupus require positive finding on both anti

nuclear antibodies (ANA) and anti double stranded DNA. Usually, semiotic

exposure related lupus like only has positive ANA. Therefore, the appropriate

term is lupus like.

Re: [] Lupus Induced by WDB ?

Dr Thrasher I am asking for a friend who was diagnosed with Lupus after exposure

to a water damaged building, exposure to Stachy among other contaminents

....... so I assume you are saying her symptoms are Lupus Like and not Lupus ?

[Guest guest]

there are at least 3 people with lupus from a former workplace......a very wdb.

me

From: Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. <toxicologist1@...>

Subject: Re: [] Lupus Induced by WDB ?

Date: Sunday, January 16, 2011, 5:46 PM

 

The term Lupus Like has historically been used for xenobiotic induced condition

that has similarities to lupus. I have always referred to the condition as Lupus

Like because it prevents confusion.