Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I'd recommend getting an air quality/mold inspector (but not one who does remediation -- search the internet for IAQ experts in your area) in to your home to see how bad the problem is and what's causing it. I don't know where you're located, but here in Wisconsin, I'd recommend http://www.iaqdiagnostics.com/ , which is the company I had out to inspect my new, non-moldy, home prior to and after purchase. The gentlemen used an air sampler to collect air in different parts of the house, then sent the air canisters to a lab to grow and identify the DNA type and count of the mold samples. This is apparently the " gold standard " for mold identification. He also did a sample of outdoor air so that we would know what things were probably just coming in on the air from outdoors, and what was actually growing in the house. He also used infrared cameras and moisture meters to look for problems. I can't say for sure about what to purge and what to keep. I moved last fall from a moldy home owned by my husband's workplace to a new (to us) one we purchased. We discarded anything that smelled moldy or musty (some books, fabric items, stuffed items) or had mold growing on it (a bunch of bookcases and one dresser), but the mold growth in that house was not strachy -- " toxic mold " and was mainly confined to the basement, which we'd used mainly for storage. We wiped all the other furniture off as it was moved (we moved less than half-a-mile), covered all the mattresses with mold proof zip-around covers, and we're hoping that by keeping the humidity in the new house low and vacuuming frequently with a top HEPA vacuum will keep us from getting mold growth here. Already, my health has started improving and my husband and children, whom we'd long thought were pretty unaffected by the mold, have also noticed a reduction in sinus headaches and eczema. We all agree that although we loved the location of our long-time home, we've made the right choice in getting away from the mold. HTH, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Peggy, if you say what state your in, several well be able to direct you to the closest doctors. if you fell better when away from the home you might want to consider staying somewhere else that allows you to fell better, clean, non-chemical, motel room. some pitch a tent outside but youd still have in go inside for things so thats not a great solution.a clean,used RV might be another idea. it's important not to have any contaminated objects,cloths,ect. from your house in your space, to fell better. dont throw away things yet, some have managed to clean things and possable long term storage may denature some things, make sure they are all very dry before storage, airtight containers come in handy. you really dont need to be trying to deal with all that right now. pictures might be saved if theres no mold growth on them, lightly wipe them down with dry rag, if there not in picture frames, doing so later on might help you tolerate them, if they are in picture frames, use a washrag with hot water, a little ammonia and dawn dish washing soap to wipe down the frames and glass really good and they might be ok. for now, you may atleast want to go to a allergest and be tested for mold allergies, and have a sinus culture done and have your sinuses washed out. hang in there and we well try to get your questions answered. > > Hello...I'm new to this group & mold hypersensitivity, looking for information & support. I am devastated & depressed, not knowing what to do & how far you have to go...whether to move, leaving everything behind, or remediate...not knowing if that will be good enough. How far does it go? How does one know how much you need to do? I feel I'm running from something that's everywhere. I feel I'm a burden to my husband, who isn't ill & questions that it has to be so drastic..I'm more desperate to get well, Do any mold hypersensitive people move or remediate & go on to live " normal " lives? How does one know what can be cleaned ( & how?) & what has to be let go of? I have read that papers, pictures (my kids' pictures?), books, etc can't be saved...what about wood furniture, etc...how does one know? And if you move, where do you go? What do you take? How do you know another place is safe from mold? How does one test before renting/buying? I was told to get my mold plates to " 2 " , which the lab said is next to impossible. Can one even get it good enough to relieve symptoms? Are mold plate testings accurate enough to really know? I'm not sure where to turn & what to do & in the meantime I live in a moldier than I can tolerate home. We found a roof leak, fixed it (including removing any questionable wood, etc), use IQ air purifiers, keep humidity <45%, fog monthly...not good enough. I ask for your help & your experience in this so I see a light at the end of the tunnel & see relief in sight...don't know how you all have coped with this situation. Thank you so much for your support. I am grateful to have others who understand. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Peggy Im so sorry that your having to go through this but just about everyone here feels your pain including myself. I would suggest finding a Dr whose knowledgeable about mold and how to treat it. My GP wanted to attribute my symptoms to everything else but mold but once I started showing him documentation that I had read on this great group and asked him to think outside of the box he finally started to listen to me. I am now seeing not only GP but an Infectious Disease Dr who have put me on antifungals and it has helped but it's almost like watching paint dry. Mold not only takes over your body physically but mentally as well but the one thing that everyone that I've spoke to here tells me is that I'll get through this but patients and diligence is a must > > Hello...I'm new to this group & mold hypersensitivity, looking for information & support. I am devastated & depressed, not knowing what to do & how far you have to go...whether to move, leaving everything behind, or remediate...not knowing if that will be good enough. How far does it go? How does one know how much you need to do? I feel I'm running from something that's everywhere. I feel I'm a burden to my husband, who isn't ill & questions that it has to be so drastic..I'm more desperate to get well, Do any mold hypersensitive people move or remediate & go on to live " normal " lives? How does one know what can be cleaned ( & how?) & what has to be let go of? I have read that papers, pictures (my kids' pictures?), books, etc can't be saved...what about wood furniture, etc...how does one know? And if you move, where do you go? What do you take? How do you know another place is safe from mold? How does one test before renting/buying? I was told to get my mold plates to " 2 " , which the lab said is next to impossible. Can one even get it good enough to relieve symptoms? Are mold plate testings accurate enough to really know? I'm not sure where to turn & what to do & in the meantime I live in a moldier than I can tolerate home. We found a roof leak, fixed it (including removing any questionable wood, etc), use IQ air purifiers, keep humidity <45%, fog monthly...not good enough. I ask for your help & your experience in this so I see a light at the end of the tunnel & see relief in sight...don't know how you all have coped with this situation. Thank you so much for your support. I am grateful to have others who understand. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 by entering your state, you might find a doctor in your area Find AAEM member/state http://www.aaemonline.org/positionpapers.html > > > > > Hello...I'm new to this group & mold hypersensitivity, looking for information & support. I am devastated & depressed, not knowing what to do & how far you have to go...whether to move, leaving everything behind, or remediate...not knowing if that will be good enough. How far does it go? How does one know how much you need to do? I feel I'm running from something that's everywhere. I feel I'm a burden to my husband, who isn't ill & questions that it has to be so drastic..I'm more desperate to get well, Do any mold hypersensitive people move or remediate & go on to live " normal " lives? How does one know what can be cleaned ( & how?) & what has to be let go of? I have read that papers, pictures (my kids' pictures?), books, etc can't be saved...what about wood furniture, etc...how does one know? And if you move, where do you go? What do you take? How do you know another place is safe from mold? How does one test before renting/buying? I was told to get my mold plates to " 2 " , which the lab said is next to impossible. Can one even get it good enough to relieve symptoms? Are mold plate testings accurate enough to really know? I'm not sure where to turn & what to do & in the meantime I live in a moldier than I can tolerate home. We found a roof leak, fixed it (including removing any questionable wood, etc), use IQ air purifiers, keep humidity <45%, fog monthly...not good enough. I ask for your help & your experience in this so I see a light at the end of the tunnel & see relief in sight...don't know how you all have coped with this situation. Thank you so much for your support. I am grateful to have others who understand. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Thank you all for your responses....it helps so much to not feel alone. Support is a blessing. You've given me ideas that take some of the " overwhelmed " feeling away. ...thank you for the details of your mold testing. I think that would be a 1st step...was that the " ERMI " test that was gold standard? I read about that recently. I wondered how someone would know where they were moving/buying/renting would be mold-free. I suspect mold residue is in the wood ceiling & wall as that's where the water had dripped. When I leave the house & I smell a " musty " " old " smell when I return (there's alot of wood as it's a cabin). Mold plates have not showed Stachybotrys. Nobody else seems to be bothered by it but I have a multitude of allergies (enviro/foods/chemicals) from a previous home exposure that I was not aware of for many years (I worked at home so had alot of exposure). Osisposis...I do have an RV that we travel in & had thoughts of moving into the driveway...but like you said, I'd have to come in to do laundry, shower, etc. It's so hard not to come in when you are right there. I have packed linens, etc. from the house into the RV so I'm sure there was cross-contamination, although I feel better " fatigue-wise " when we live in it for weeks at a time. I still suffer allergy/hayfever reactions but " feel " better (even tho I'm living/sleeping in the same room as my dogs, that I'm quite allergic to). How does one assure they do not cross-contaminate another area? Would I be able to clean it adequately to be safe? I have seen an Enviro doc, which helped quite a bit but not enough, & had my sinuses cultured by a mold savy ENT...I do have fungal sinusitis. Am presently researching Dr's Lieberman & Rae to cont. treatment as I didn't feel the allergy testing done by the previous doc was very precise/accurate. Tug...I do wonder if I will need a " mold " doc as well as a " detox/Enviro " doc. The Enviro doc I went to was not as savy as the mold specialist, for sure. Thank you for the encouragement, understanding & support you have all provided. I feel so much better knowing others have gotten thru this & I will too. It's all so overwhelming, feeling the urgency to resolve it asap. Looking back I feel I had mold exposure on & off for the last 20 yrs...I don't know how much more my body/mind can take at 51 yrs old (menopause doesn't help). I only hope I am not beyond recovery, as I have read people talk about. Thank you for sharing your wealth of experience with me & all the others out there in need of support. I am so grateful. Wishing you all wellness & happiness, Peggy:) > > > > Peggy Im so sorry that your having to go through this but just about everyone here feels your pain including myself. > > I would suggest finding a Dr whose knowledgeable about mold and how to treat it. My GP wanted to attribute my symptoms to everything else but mold but once I started showing him documentation that I had read on this great group and asked him to think outside of the box he finally started to listen to me. > > I am now seeing not only GP but an Infectious Disease Dr who have put me on antifungals and it has helped but it's almost like watching paint dry. > > Mold not only takes over your body physically but mentally as well but the one thing that everyone that I've spoke to here tells me is that I'll get through this but patients and diligence is a must > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Peggy, You've received some good advice and you're on the right track by considering several options rather than relying on just one to determine " safe " or " not safe. " I say this especially in reference to the ERMI test. By itself it is suspect and is not to be used to determine health issues. That is the position taken by the developer of ERMI. However, when used within the context of other information from a qualified professional or a savvy physician (like how Shoemaker uses it) it can be a very useful tool among many tools. Mold plates miss most of the mold. Stachybotrys is often not in the air to settle out on mold plates or be detected by professional air sampling. The " musty " odor is from the VOCs generated by mold and/or water damaged wood and other materials. If you react in the building, recover when you leave, only to react again upon re-entry that is all the proof you need to know there is a problem. For you. What others say is irrelevant. It's your life, not theirs. What the problem is, where it is, and what it will take to fix it (if it's even possible) is where it can get difficult. I have a client with an indoor pool, previous water damage from leaky windows and condensation in ceiling. That was 5 years ago when they bought it. They didn't react and didn't repair, prefering to spend their money on higher priority issues in the main house. They have lived their five years with no mold reactivity. This week they called to say mold was growing on the walls. Inspection found a small change in their ventilation system resulted in inadequate removal of humidity coming from evaporating pool water. Black mold growing in 3 small areas of the interior walls. All the old problems remained. They were still not reacting when using the pool room twice a week for about 30 minutes each time but they had strong concerns about long term effects of mold exposure. I didn't test for mold because in can be removed from the interior surfaces. Old mold inside the walls is known from previous inspections and they weren't reacting to it. The kind of mold does not change whether or not it needs to be removed. Neither does it change what needs to be done to remove and remediate. Question: Do they fix the ventilation and clean the interior surfaces (less than $500) or open the walls to repair them? Dilemma: Opening the walls will again reveal the rotted framing they didn't replace last time, plus additional damage because the leaking windows have not been fixed or replaced, and evidence of leaks through the exterior siding to inside the wall. Once they begin opening the walls and continue in all directions until they find the boundaries of the mold and water damage they will end up not only gutting the entire room but needing to replace 3 of the 4 walls at a cost of at least $50,000. What would you do? They are, tonight, discussin what they will do. BTW, a remediation contractor yesterday told them the mold was killer mold and he would need $65,000 to fix the problem. Slight conflict of interest, the guy fixing the problem determining there is a problem and how much it will cost (meaning how much he wants to make). Good luck and let's us know that happens. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- Thank you all for your responses....it helps so much to not feel alone. Support is a blessing. You've given me ideas that take some of the " overwhelmed " feeling away. ...thank you for the details of your mold testing. I think that would be a 1st step...was that the " ERMI " test that was gold standard? I read about that recently. I wondered how someone would know where they were moving/buying/renting would be mold-free. I suspect mold residue is in the wood ceiling & wall as that's where the water had dripped. When I leave the house & I smell a " musty " " old " smell when I return (there's alot of wood as it's a cabin). Mold plates have not showed Stachybotrys. Nobody else seems to be bothered by it but I have a multitude of allergies (enviro/foods/chemicals) from a previous home exposure that I was not aware of for many years (I worked at home so had alot of exposure). Osisposis...I do have an RV that we travel in & had thoughts of moving into the driveway...but like you said, I'd have to come in to do laundry, shower, etc. It's so hard not to come in when you are right there. I have packed linens, etc. from the house into the RV so I'm sure there was cross-contamination, although I feel better " fatigue-wise " when we live in it for weeks at a time. I still suffer allergy/hayfever reactions but " feel " better (even tho I'm living/sleeping in the same room as my dogs, that I'm quite allergic to). How does one assure they do not cross-contaminate another area? Would I be able to clean it adequately to be safe? I have seen an Enviro doc, which helped quite a bit but not enough, & had my sinuses cultured by a mold savy ENT...I do have fungal sinusitis. Am presently researching Dr's Lieberman & Rae to cont. treatment as I didn't feel the allergy testing done by the previous doc was very precise/accurate. Tug...I do wonder if I will need a " mold " doc as well as a " detox/Enviro " doc. The Enviro doc I went to was not as savy as the mold specialist, for sure. Thank you for the encouragement, understanding & support you have all provided. I feel so much better knowing others have gotten thru this & I will too. It's all so overwhelming, feeling the urgency to resolve it asap. Looking back I feel I had mold exposure on & off for the last 20 yrs...I don't know how much more my body/mind can take at 51 yrs old (menopause doesn't help). I only hope I am not beyond recovery, as I have read people talk about. Thank you for sharing your wealth of experience with me & all the others out there in need of support. I am so grateful. Wishing you all wellness & happiness, Peggy:) > > > > Peggy Im so sorry that your having to go through this but just about everyone here feels your pain including myself. > > I would suggest finding a Dr whose knowledgeable about mold and how to treat it. My GP wanted to attribute my symptoms to everything else but mold but once I started showing him documentation that I had read on this great group and asked him to think outside of the box he finally started to listen to me. > > I am now seeing not only GP but an Infectious Disease Dr who have put me on antifungals and it has helped but it's almost like watching paint dry. > > Mold not only takes over your body physically but mentally as well but the one thing that everyone that I've spoke to here tells me is that I'll get through this but patients and diligence is a must > > ---------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. 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Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Hi Carl, How does Shoemaker use the ERMI test? Thanks, Sue >Peggy, > >You've received some good advice and you're on the right track >by considering several options rather than relying on just one to >determine " safe " or " not safe. " I say this especially in reference to >the ERMI test. By itself it is suspect and is not to be used to >determine health issues. That is the position taken by the >developer of ERMI. However, when used within the context of >other information from a qualified professional or a savvy >physician (like how Shoemaker uses it) it can be a very useful >tool among many tools. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Again, I see that the group responses are ignoring the multitude of contaminants in damp indoor spaces. But, first, the ERMI test needs to be performed on dust as well as bulk samples. I have seen situations where bulk samples show Stachybotrys, while the dust samples do not. The reason, Stachybotrys does not readily shed its spores. In addition, air borne spore sampling does not reveal the presence of particulates that are less than 1 micron. These particulates are up to 500 times more concentrated than the spores. The indoor environment from microbial growth contains a multitude of contaminants. In general, these come from the microbial growth. What do I mean by microbial growth: Molds and their by-products plus Bacteria and their by-products. Everyone talks about the molds and mycotoxins. However, you are missing other critical groups of bacteria. There are gram negative and positive bacteria in these environments. These are all potentially harmful to the occupants. For example, the Gram positive bacteria include organisms in the Actinobacter group: Streptomyces, Mycobacterium, Nocardia, Corynebacterium and Propionibacterium. Antigens from Mycobacterium and Propionibacterium have been associated with serious lung disease: RADS, Asthma, hypersensitivity pneumonitis, and Sarcoidosis. The Mycobacteria (several species) are believed to be the causative organism in MAC (Mycobacterium Avium Complex). The Corynebacterium contain the diphtheria and pseudodiptheria bacteria. Streptomyces californicus releases Vanolin, which is synergistic in animal models with trichothecenes. In addition, the Streptomyces spp are the source of antibiotics as well as chemotherapeutic agents. When testing these environments, bacteria should also be identified. The paper I wrote and published in Toxicology and Environmental Health is available by either emailing me or from the web site: truth about molds, along with other vital information - http://truthaboutmold.info/home Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D. Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist www.drthrasher.org toxicologist1@... Off: 916-745-4703 Cell: 575-937-1150 L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC Trauma Specialist sandracrawley@... 916-745-4703 - Off 775-309-3994 - Cell This message and any attachments forwarded with it is to be considered privileged and confidential. The forwarding or redistribution of this message (and any attachments) without my prior written consent is strictly prohibited and may violate privacy laws. Once the intended purpose of this message has been served, please destroy the original message contents. If you have received this message in error, please reply immediately to advise the sender of the miscommunication and then delete the message and any copies you have printed. Thank you in advance for your compliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 The answer to this question is dependent upon many variables, with the most important being, " how has the receptor (the exposed person) changed? " I have performed post remediation testing on thousands of homes. I always collect a combination of culturable and spore trap samples, as well as settled dust if indicated. Most of the time, occupants are able to return to effectively remediated houses. However, sometimes people who become sick from mold exposure are not able to re-occupy even though all results, including ERMI testing, demonstrated acceptable conditions. In these cases, the affected individuals had one or a combination of the following exposure issues: (1) they lived in the contaminated house for many years (2) remediation was performed with sub-standard containment measures (3) they spent most of their time in the home; (4) they attempted to remediate mold themselves. The individuals in these cases were so adversely affected that very low, often undetectable, levels of contamination triggered reactions. The inability to re-occupy a remediated home without symptoms becomes a point of contention with insurance companies, which generally claim that the house must only be restored to conditions that existed prior to the loss. Insurance companies generally will not address the fact that irreversible health effects preclude safe reoccupancy of a remediated house for some people. Far too often the outcome is emotional and financial devastation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 Connie, I agree with 99% of what you said. Excellent advise. There are two quibbling points. 1. Clearance even by ERMI. I'm at the IAQA conference and again several speakers pointed out the limitations of ERMI. I and others have made this point here before but today I saw a comparison of ERMI scores from different parts of the country. ERMI can be fairly accurate for a certain set of conditions but the further away the less the reliability. It can still be useful but needs to be interpreted by context, not simply by its score alone. 2. Insurance companies and a return to pre-loss conditions. Habitability before the event is a pre-loss condition to which it should be returned. But you have to make this point with them, because they won't volunteer it to you. ACGIH 15.5 and EPA have supportive language. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC (fm my Blackberry) [] Re: Move or remediate...how does one know? The answer to this question is dependent upon many variables, with the most important being, " how has the receptor (the exposed person) changed? " I have performed post remediation testing on thousands of homes. I always collect a combination of culturable and spore trap samples, as well as settled dust if indicated. Most of the time, occupants are able to return to effectively remediated houses. However, sometimes people who become sick from mold exposure are not able to re-occupy even though all results, including ERMI testing, demonstrated acceptable conditions. In these cases, the affected individuals had one or a combination of the following exposure issues: (1) they lived in the contaminated house for many years (2) remediation was performed with sub-standard containment measures (3) they spent most of their time in the home; (4) they attempted to remediate mold themselves. The individuals in these cases were so adversely affected that very low, often undetectable, levels of contamination triggered reactions. The inability to re-occupy a remediated home without symptoms becomes a point of contention with insurance companies, which generally claim that the house must only be restored to conditions that existed prior to the loss. Insurance companies generally will not address the fact that irreversible health effects preclude safe reoccupancy of a remediated house for some people. Far too often the outcome is emotional and financial devastation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 Thanks Carl - points well taken. I try to use a combination of testing for clearance, depending on the health of the occupants, degree of contamination prior to remediation, expectations of client. Sometimes, I don't test - just do detailed visual. I seldom rely only on ERMI. Although, I add this to my sampling plan both pre and post at times. I have been splitting dust samples lately and have culture results and DNA from separate labs. Interesting information. Although organisms are not always the same, the conclusions frequently are. I have used the EPA and ACGIH quotes in dealing with insurance companies. No much luck without litigation. Sorry I missed the conference this year. The economy in MI is starting to affect my business, so staying close to home for a while. > > Connie, > > I agree with 99% of what you said. Excellent advise. There are two quibbling points. > > 1. Clearance even by ERMI. I'm at the IAQA conference and again several speakers pointed out the limitations of ERMI. I and others have made this point here before but today I saw a comparison of ERMI scores from different parts of the country. ERMI can be fairly accurate for a certain set of conditions but the further away the less the reliability. It can still be useful but needs to be interpreted by context, not simply by its score alone. > > 2. Insurance companies and a return to pre-loss conditions. Habitability before the event is a pre-loss condition to which it should be returned. But you have to make this point with them, because they won't volunteer it to you. ACGIH 15.5 and EPA have supportive language. > > Carl Grimes > Healthy Habitats LLC > (fm my Blackberry) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 > > Hello...I'm new to this group & mold hypersensitivity, looking for information & support. I am devastated & depressed, not knowing what to do & how far you have to go...whether to move, leaving everything behind, or remediate...not knowing if that will be good enough. How far does it go? How does one know how much you need to do? ________________________ Every situation is different. In my own, we have removed the offending item (HVAC system) replaced with new, and are replacing step-wise what seems to continue to make me sick. Next is the bedroom carpeting. I am using my MSH (was still too low) and MMP9 - was still too high (taking into consideration my HLA-DR-DBQ) along with symptoms to monitor and decide what to do when. Over an 8 week period, my MSH dropped four points, but I have been out and about, and cleaning up some " hot-spots " around the house. I am the sickest/most sensitive family member so no one else " understands " very well. I definitely feel better when away, but I know which rooms/items are bad, and avoid them for now. I am going to avoid sleeping in the bedroom to see if I get improvement, and until we can save up for wood floors as I always wake up in there with a runny nose. Am I going to have more testing done? If I need to in order to make repair decisions, but I think the worst parts are gone. Whatever remains in the carpeting bothers me, so I mostly just need to know that it needs to go -- regardless of what it is! Items that have a bad odor will need to go. I already tried to clean them, but that didn't do it. Areas that have odor still need more work. It is probably NOT what Dr. Shoemaker would say to do, but I only have so much money, and there aren't any clean places I can find to rent. My home is the cleanest thing I can find, and I know what to avoid. I find I have to get out long enough to clear my head so that decisions can be made and prioritized. Staying in the house makes decisions slow--brain fog related. Staying home makes my back hurt. Getting out clears it up. My best to you, as I am still in the midst of all this myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Thank you all for your information...I am so grateful to FINALLY feel I'm not alone in all this. I think we've decided it's time to move on...now figuring how to do that. I have been sleeping in a 2nd bedroom for now (have a log bed in ours & wonder if it too is moldy?). Have thoughts or moving to our travel trailer but after reading so much about cross-contamination, know we've contaminated it with the items we've packed into it from our house. Not sure how to begin to find a safe housing situation & not take a thing with us (no clothing, personal products, computer, etc., etc., etc?). I think the TT may be the lesser of 2 evils for now as I know when we have lived in it for many weeks, I always felt " better " , altho still reacting to everything else. When I came home this last time (2 months ago), I have seen a definate difference in my declining health. We have no income presently (left jobs to move & economy went to poop). I feel unable to work at all presently & my husband is trying, but he's 60 yrs old & nobody is hiring. I feel stuck in trying to find relief in health & have to be careful it's affordable. We don't know anyone where we are living. Brain fog? My memory is horrible, confused & can't think straight most of the time. I just rec'd the book, Mold Warriors but am afraid to read right now as I'm so " low " I'm afraid I will see no way out & it will add to the misery. I realize now that I lived in moldy houses for the last 20 years on & off....my fears are that I am beyond recovery. I just want to be well. Thanks to all of you who have shared your information...I am digesting it all as quickly as my mind will allow. I know I need to figure this out & get out asap...not sure how to begin to pack & how to get rid of our belonginings but I am blessed to have a place to share & get experiences of others. Thank you so much. Peggy:) >> Every situation is different. > In my own, we have removed the offending item (HVAC system) replaced with new, and are replacing step-wise what seems to continue to make me sick. Next is the bedroom carpeting. > > I am using my MSH (was still too low) and MMP9 - was still too high (taking into consideration my HLA-DR-DBQ) along with symptoms to monitor and decide what to do when. Over an 8 week period, my MSH dropped four points, but I have been out and about, and cleaning up some " hot-spots " around the house. I am the sickest/most sensitive family member so no one else " understands " very well. > > I definitely feel better when away, but I know which rooms/items are bad, and avoid them for now. I am going to avoid sleeping in the bedroom to see if I get improvement, and until we can save up for wood floors as I always wake up in there with a runny nose. > > Am I going to have more testing done? If I need to in order to make repair decisions, but I think the worst parts are gone. Whatever remains in the carpeting bothers me, so I mostly just need to know that it needs to go -- regardless of what it is! > > Items that have a bad odor will need to go. I already tried to clean them, but that didn't do it. Areas that have odor still need more work. > > It is probably NOT what Dr. Shoemaker would say to do, but I only have so much money, and there aren't any clean places I can find to rent. My home is the cleanest thing I can find, and I know what to avoid. > > I find I have to get out long enough to clear my head so that decisions can be made and prioritized. Staying in the house makes decisions slow--brain fog related. > > Staying home makes my back hurt. Getting out clears it up. > > > My best to you, as I am still in the midst of all this myself. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Good luck Peggy. Many people to get better after they are out for a while. Several of my clients have gotten well after visiting the Environmental Health Center in Dallas Texas http://ehcd.com/ Good luck!!!! > > Thank you all for your information...I am so grateful to FINALLY feel I'm not alone in all this. > > I think we've decided it's time to move on...now figuring how to do that. I have been sleeping in a 2nd bedroom for now (have a log bed in ours & wonder if it too is moldy?). Have thoughts or moving to our travel trailer but after reading so much about cross-contamination, know we've contaminated it with the items we've packed into it from our house. Not sure how to begin to find a safe housing situation & not take a thing with us (no clothing, personal products, computer, etc., etc., etc?). I think the TT may be the lesser of 2 evils for now as I know when we have lived in it for many weeks, I always felt " better " , altho still reacting to everything else. When I came home this last time (2 months ago), I have seen a definate difference in my declining health. > > We have no income presently (left jobs to move & economy went to poop). I feel unable to work at all presently & my husband is trying, but he's 60 yrs old & nobody is hiring. I feel stuck in trying to find relief in health & have to be careful it's affordable. We don't know anyone where we are living. > > Brain fog? My memory is horrible, confused & can't think straight most of the time. I just rec'd the book, Mold Warriors but am afraid to read right now as I'm so " low " I'm afraid I will see no way out & it will add to the misery. I realize now that I lived in moldy houses for the last 20 years on & off....my fears are that I am beyond recovery. I just want to be well. > > Thanks to all of you who have shared your information...I am digesting it all as quickly as my mind will allow. I know I need to figure this out & get out asap...not sure how to begin to pack & how to get rid of our belonginings but I am blessed to have a place to share & get experiences of others. Thank you so much. > > Peggy:) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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