Re: Dishwasher offgassing

[Guest guest]

I used to worry about such things, but now that I live in my truck in the desert

I d'ont. The last house i built i did not even instal a dishwasher, as they are

notorious leakers at every stage, the lines leaning to them, and underneigth,

where you cannot see it leaking, I think that is one luxury every moldie who can

still live in a house should forgo, lest it lead to having to loose the house,

and downgrade your health once again

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> I have to replace the moldy dishwasher I threw out months ago and before I do

I wanted to ask if there were any significant offgassing problems that anyone

experienced.

> I've been burned so many times the last few months that I just expect the new

dishwasher to be a nightmare of offgassing issues.

> Anyway, if anyone has had a bad experience with any particular brand I'd

appreciate knowing about it.

> I have to buy one with a black front to match the rest of the appliances-that

worries me too.

> Thanks, Surella

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[Guest guest]

Might minimize the off-gassing if you purchase a stainless steel dishwasher.

Some come with the stainless on both outside and inside. And perhaps look into a

higher end brand like Bosch, they seem to go the extra mile in quality. I don;t

know if they make their units in Switzerland or Germany--- not sure. I thought

that they might be one of the few that don't make their stuff in China-- don't

quote me on that. And it has been about 5 years since we bought a dishwasher.

But I did do better with stainless myself. In fact ours had a black plastic

front, which never bothered me, but had stainless inside. Hope this is

helpful,Sam

I have to replace the moldy dishwasher I threw out months ago and before I

do I wanted to ask if there were any significant offgassing problems that anyone

experienced.

[Guest guest]

I am sorry the machine made you feel sick. Maybe stainless steel is an option

or one that was " returned " because it did not work with the " design " of a

kitchen. Some people send them back for that reason but you can save a bundle

of money. I just bought a new washing machine as an " open box " and a floor

model dishwasher, and they work great.

That said, I feel strongly that they are well worth the trouble as long as they

are installed properly because if your immune system is messed up from the mold,

the last thing you need is any stray bacteria from a cracked (which you might

not have noticed) plate or any food borne bacteria which might find itself in

your system. I even put in the ice trays from the freezer and any thing that

will fit in there to expose it to the hottest water which would make my hands

crack and bleed or deal with the rubber gloves which cause rashes as well. Even

the tooth brushes go in and I leave the machine on the longest cycle to make

sure the soap and chemical residue is gone. If I see any dishwasher detergent

traces, I just run another long cycle. Getting a floor model would mean that the

machine would probably have 'off-gassed' in the store and not in your home.

Maybe someone who is an expert at off-gassing can jump in! Personally, I don't

like garbage disposals but think a dishwashser is worth its weight in gold. I

do turn my head away when I load the detergent package and walk away after I

turn on the machine. It is worth it to avoid picking up a sickness from a guest

or friend of one of the kids who have used a glass or cup. And it saves a ton on

my water bill. Good luck anyway.

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> I have to replace the moldy dishwasher I threw out months ago and before

I do I wanted to ask if there were any significant offgassing problems that

anyone experienced.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I recommend using dishwasher soap from the natural foods store, and even

then look at the ingredients. Sally Fallon in her cookbook Nourishing

Traditions says that sick people should not use regular dishwashing

soap, no matter how many times you rinse, there is still residue, and it

is poisonous.

I like Miele dishwashers because they have very quiet models, stainless steel.

sue

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>Maybe someone who is an expert at off-gassing can jump in! Personally, I

>don't like garbage disposals but think a dishwashser is worth its weight

>in gold. I do turn my head away when I load the detergent package and

>walk away after I turn on the machine. It is worth it to avoid picking

>up a sickness from a guest or friend of one of the kids who have used a

>glass or cup. And it saves a ton on my water bill. Good luck anyway.

>

[Guest guest]

I agree that dishwashers are worth their weight in gold! I only threw out my

dishwasher because it was 19 years old and in the process of looking for the

mold I thought the dishwasher was the problem. Turns out the mold was on a piece

of insulation inside the wall.

I've so far never had problems with dishwashers-and I am a terrible dish washer

myself so I'm going to replace it. My only issue with dishwashers is the

insulation on the sides-but once it's installed I don't feel it.

I'm going to take a chance and buy a new one.

Thanks for your help! Surella

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> I am sorry the machine made you feel sick. Maybe stainless steel is an option

or one that was " returned " because it did not work with the " design " of a

kitchen. Some people send them back for that reason but you can save a bundle

of money. I just bought a new washing machine as an " open box " and a floor

model dishwasher, and they work great.

>

> That said, I feel strongly that they are well worth the trouble as long as

they are installed properly because if your immune system is messed up from the

mold, the last thing you need is any stray bacteria from a cracked (which you

might not have noticed) plate or any food borne bacteria which might find itself

in your system. I even put in the ice trays from the freezer and any thing that

will fit in there to expose it to the hottest water which would make my hands

crack and bleed or deal with the rubber gloves which cause rashes as well. Even

the tooth brushes go in and I leave the machine on the longest cycle to make

sure the soap and chemical residue is gone. If I see any dishwasher detergent

traces, I just run another long cycle. Getting a floor model would mean that the

machine would probably have 'off-gassed' in the store and not in your home.

>

> Maybe someone who is an expert at off-gassing can jump in! Personally, I don't

like garbage disposals but think a dishwashser is worth its weight in gold. I

do turn my head away when I load the detergent package and walk away after I

turn on the machine. It is worth it to avoid picking up a sickness from a guest

or friend of one of the kids who have used a glass or cup. And it saves a ton on

my water bill. Good luck anyway.

>

[Guest guest]

I just had one installed and because the old one had insulation which was

" encased " in a plastic bag " fitted " type thing, I took had it taken off the old

one (It was dry and " off-gassed " after 10 years) and it was not the loose

wall-like insulation - it is not the same kind as fiberglass but looks like it.

And, it was dry. It was not a leak problem but a motor problem. It might be

like what you see in the fabric stores, to use in a blanket that you would sew

on a machine. This muffles the sound better. I just wiped it down with a damp

towel which grabs the dust, rather than using a vaccuum.

A floor sample from the store might be better than one that would come from a

storehouse in a crate. I could not stay long in the store because of the

enormous amount of electronics which bother me, but the floor models give you a

price break and lower the off-gassing issue. I had to buy it and get out in the

fresh air. That is tough for a " shopper " but a reality check.

Good Luck

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> I agree that dishwashers are worth their weight in gold! I only threw out my

dishwasher because it was 19 years old and in the process of looking for the

mold I thought the dishwasher was the problem. Turns out the mold was on a piece

of insulation inside the wall.

> I've so far never had problems with dishwashers-and I am a terrible dish

washer myself so I'm going to replace it. My only issue with dishwashers is the

insulation on the sides-but once it's installed I don't feel it.

> I'm going to take a chance and buy a new one.

> Thanks for your help! Surella

>

[Guest guest]

I use a lot of Hydrogen peroxide for the germ issue. I soak my vegetables in it,

anything that touches animal products gets soaked, washed and sprayed with HP. I

spray the counter, cutting board, my hands, etc. If there is any mold on my food

it will bubble and turn white so I then do not use the vegetable since I am so

allergic to mold. cathy

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> I agree that dishwashers are worth their weight in gold! I only threw out my

dishwasher because it was 19 years old and in the process of looking for the

mold I thought the dishwasher was the problem. Turns out the mold was on a piece

of insulation inside the wall.

> I've so far never had problems with dishwashers-and I am a terrible dish

washer myself so I'm going to replace it. My only issue with dishwashers is the

insulation on the sides-but once it's installed I don't feel it.

> I'm going to take a chance and buy a new one.

> Thanks for your help! Surella

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