Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 I don`t know if I was very clear in my question. What I want to know is, are those above mentioned sweetners okay if you are trying to stay away from feeding candidia? I have a hard time understanding why one sweetner like stevia would be fine and another not. R~ > > I have been replacing any sugar or honey with stevia > till I can get my body back to whatever normal is. > I have been looking at some gluten and sugar free reciepes > and many of them call for substitues for sugar. > I`am wondering are these okay? Palm sugar, Barley malt, and Agave nectar. > I hope someone may be able to answer this.. > > Thanks, > nne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 I hope I'm giving the right advice. Stevia is okay if need to. No Barley malt = gluten No honey until yeast is under control It's hard but the rule is " if it's sweet don't eat it " Fruit, veggies, meat, limited whole grain rice, yeast free bread, oat for fiber to absorb toxins.  Simple carbs need to be avoided for now. Most of us have times where we give in. We have to remember how we felt to help us not give in. Kathy From: nne <Roxygardens@...> Subject: [] Re: Questions on Sugars I don`t know if I was very clear in my question. What I want to know is, are those above mentioned sweetners okay if you are trying to stay away from feeding candidia? I have a hard time understanding why one sweetner like stevia would be fine and another not. R~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 The only one I would use would be Stevia if it is not in Alcohol and it depends on processor, I would not use the white powder. Honey - EI said no not good for moldies Palm Sugar - still sugar just low glycimic Barley Malt - double no ; The Malting Process What is Malt? Malt is a very convenient package. 60-65% of the weight of malt is undegraded starch. Barley is deficient in certain key enzymes (eg a-amylase) and malting increases these levels. During mashing the malt enzymes are mixed with starch to produce maltose and other fermentable sugars Agave- too many chemical processes to get agave nectar God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: nne <Roxygardens@...> Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 5:26:27 PM Subject: [] Questions on Sugars I have been replacing any sugar or honey with stevia till I can get my body back to whatever normal is. I have been looking at some gluten and sugar free reciepes and many of them call for substitues for sugar. I`am wondering are these okay? Palm sugar, Barley malt, and Agave nectar. I hope someone may be able to answer this.. Thanks, nne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 I cannot handle sweeteners in stead of sugars I seem to be allergic to them especially aspertame Janet In a message dated 2/2/2011 10:15:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Roxygardens@... writes: I don`t know if I was very clear in my question. What I want to know is, are those above mentioned sweetners okay if you are trying to stay away from feeding candidia? I have a hard time understanding why one sweetner like stevia would be fine and another not. R~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 I react with inflammation to all types ofsugar, honey being the worse. Stevia has no sugar calories, I do not swell up from it. Agave, all that stuff I have tried, should stay away from it if you have inflammmation issues. > > I have been replacing any sugar or honey with stevia > till I can get my body back to whatever normal is. > I have been looking at some gluten and sugar free reciepes > and many of them call for substitues for sugar. > I`am wondering are these okay? Palm sugar, Barley malt, and Agave nectar. > I hope someone may be able to answer this.. > > Thanks, > nne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 I`am really confused here. I have been buy baked goods across the country that are non gluten and do not contain sugar but are sweeten with various substances that I thought were okay. Like: soribtol (I buy sorbitol gum all the time!) xylitol " Now for the Agave that I just purchased is it just because of the chemical processing that you don`t care for? I was told its okay.. Who knows exactly whats okay and what itsnt to rid your body of yeast with out being 100% strict. Unless maybe I have to be...Maybe I have been getting the wrong information. > > The only one I would use would be Stevia if it is not in Alcohol and it depends > on processor, I would not use the white powder. > > Honey - EI said no not good for moldies > Palm Sugar - still sugar just low glycimic > Barley Malt - double no ; > The Malting Process > > What is Malt? > Malt is a very convenient package. 60-65% of the weight of malt is undegraded > starch. Barley is deficient in certain key enzymes (eg a-amylase) and malting > increases these levels. During mashing the malt enzymes are mixed with starch to > produce maltose and other fermentable sugars > > Agave- too many chemical processes to get agave nectar > > God Bless !! > dragonflymcs > Mayleen > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 just like anything else , if you can tolerate you can, if you cant you cant. your afraid to consume aspertame but you can sit on a highway while trafic is backed up thats been freshly tared and chemicals are being gassed out into the air around you, or live close to a high traffic area? but comsumeing aspertame " a petroleum based product " in food or drink is a no no? sorry but I used to work for the highway dept. and now, I cant even be in a car thats following a dump truck that has resently carried hot mix in it, it causes a severe reaction,I can detect when a parking lot has been slury sealed by walking out the door even though that parking lot might be several blocks away,I cant deal with these types of exposures at all, very hard on me. but I can drink diet pepsi and it doesn't bother me. a hudge difference in a petroleum based product and the real thing. and dose does matter. not trying to be rude, it just seems that to often posts get caught up in discusions that really seem to much to do about nothing in a way that everyone goes on and on about how they cant tolerate this or that so it has to be a terriable thing when someone else might not have a problem with it at all. I have to put myself in the shoes of a very ill new comer thats depressed haveing a real hard time figureing out what they should avoid and what they might not have to advoid. some times posts go on and on to the point that I fell like, whats left? but to crawl into a bubble and stay there. thats depressing as hell. and I'm several years out, so it just seems new comers would get overwelmed by to much info about what to eat, what not to eat,or drink, based on what a bunch of people are saying that relate to their very own personal sensitivities. we need a verity of foods to survive, geez, just going to the store has become a small nightmare all on it's own. I hear peoples posts in my head saying get this, dont get that. I just fell we need to ease up on this, theres certain knowns and alot of unknowns that really come down to what you can tolerate and what you cant, and even that can change with elimanation diets, rotation,time,ect. I just fell the line needs to be drawn somewhere on this subject. I kind of like to eat, it shouldn't become a hellish thing. and sometimes the benifit has to be considered over the possablity that something in it " might " not be such a good thing if consumed in a high dose manner. because many things are not going to overly hurt you unless it's consumed in a high dose exposure manner. it's what you have become sensitive to that requires a very low dose or advoidance. > > Aspertame is a deadly petroleum based product > > http://www.sweetpoison.com/aspartame-sweeteners.html > > In 1985, Rumsfeld was CEO of Searle Labs and, as part of > Reagan's team allowed FDA approval of the chemical. For 16 previous > years, FDA refused it to be approved. > > http://www.newswithviews.com/NWVexclusive/exclusive15.htm > > Barth > > www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html > > SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html > > --- > > GAC> I cannot handle sweeteners in stead of sugars I seem to be allergic to > GAC> them especially aspertame > GAC> Janet > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Look at the Wikipedia entry for Stevia. It describes a product used as a sweetener for many years in Japan and a few other countries, made popular because of fears of carcinogenicity of cyclamate and saccharin. Glucose is only a fraction of the molecule, chemically bound and not free glucose, meaning it is not readily available for metabolism for us or for mold. Also, stevia is far sweeter than sugar, so you use far less. it is reported to be good for diabetics and others who must limit glucose levels in the blood. Stevia should be safe for reducing diet induced mold. Re: Questions on Sugars Posted by: " KathyB " calicocat477@... calicocat477@... Date: Wed Feb 2, 2011 7:50 pm ((PST)) I hope I'm giving the right advice. Stevia is okay if need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 I would never take aspartame. It is a chemical poison or any other artificial sweetener for that matter. That is probably why you cannot tolerate them they are chemicals not sugar. Stevia is a plant, you can grow at home and use the leaf to sweeten with. Powdered Stevia goes threw chemical process, I do believe also. How to Grow Stevia: http://www.stevia.net/growingstevia.htm God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: " Gingersnap1964@... " <Gingersnap1964@...> Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 10:02:27 AM Subject: Re: [] Re: Questions on Sugars I cannot handle sweeteners in stead of sugars I seem to be allergic to them especially aspertame Janet R~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Rossane, Many here do not tolerate chemicals now , some less severe, some more severe It is not just the chemical processing. If you have MCS this is a problem I cannot tolerate chemicals in anything, different than not caring for it. You should avoid products of fermentation also. If your are moldie this is a problem If you read and learn ingredients in food and where they come from things become more clear as to what you are to avoid and not. Not something you can learn really from one post but reading and researching things. I do not know myself about xylitol " or soribtol . Never researched those but aspartame, saccharin, those I would avoid like the plague itself. Alcohol is a product of fermentation. Being strict for some time can help you heal. God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: nne <Roxygardens@...> Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 3:09:31 PM Subject: [] Re: Questions on Sugars I`am really confused here. I have been buy baked goods across the country that are non gluten and do not contain sugar but are sweeten with various substances that I thought were okay. Like: soribtol (I buy sorbitol gum all the time!) xylitol " Now for the Agave that I just purchased is it just because of the chemical processing that you don`t care for? I was told its okay.. Who knows exactly whats okay and what itsnt to rid your body of yeast with out being 100% strict. Unless maybe I have to be...Maybe I have been getting the wrong information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 I don't want to offend anyone but, but aspartame is a chemical poison. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/aspartame-health-risks_b_668692.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgIj7Gayb54 60 min video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqIFDoOwSFM & feature=relatedDr. Blaylock In the Sweet Misery video above, Dr. Blaylock, a recently retired board-certified neurosurgeon and author of the book Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills, says that because aspartame is " a poison that affects protein synthesis; affects how the synapses operate in the brain, and affects DNA, it can affect numerous organs. So you can get many different symptoms that seem unconnected. " However, " when looking at the list of symptoms submitted to the FDA, most of them are neurological, " Dr. Blaylock says. Some of the most commonly reported neurological symptoms include: *Headaches *Changes in behavior or mood * " Fuzzy " thinking *Seizures *Depression Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Xylitol is antifungal, comes from birch bark. Stevia is an herb, it's good. As for the other sweet things, maybe depends on how much candida you have, how much of the sweetener you use, and how it makes you feel. anita ---------------------------------- From: nne Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: [] Re: Questions on Sugars  I`am really confused here. I have been buy baked goods across the country that are non gluten and do not contain sugar but are sweeten with various substances that I thought were okay. Like: soribtol (I buy sorbitol gum all the time!) xylitol " Now for the Agave that I just purchased is it just because of the chemical processing that you don`t care for? I was told its okay.. Who knows exactly whats okay and what itsnt to rid your body of yeast with out being 100% strict. Unless maybe I have to be...Maybe I have been getting the wrong information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 like I said, we might as well crawl into a bubble and stay there if we intend to avoid all the chemicals in everything we breath,eat,and can be aborbed through the skin. what affects you most? something you have become reactive to or something you know is a chemical. lets look at recent discusion of esstenial oils, they all contain VOC's, some can tolerate them, some cant. I cant. and what they would do to me if even in my space for a few minutes isn't good. I dont tolerate that even at a very low level. there no doubt was a high consentration of voc's involved with my second WDB exposure. to me voc's are poison. yet here it's being said if you tolerate them it's ok. that doesn't mean the voc's in them just disappear, I couldn't or wouldn't be able to tell anyone they are ok, but thats based on my own experience only. I have a intolerance to corn and all corn products, includeing sorbital,to me these things are poison, they also can severely affect my brain not to mention the rest of my body,to me thats a poison to my body. yet people here take sorbital with CSM treatment 3 or 4 times a day and they tolerate it. I wouldn't. http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20080110/sweetener-side-effects-case-histories > > > I don't want to offend anyone but, but aspartame is a chemical poison. > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/aspartame-health-risks_b_668692.html > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgIj7Gayb54 60 min video > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqIFDoOwSFM & feature=relatedDr. Blaylock > > > > In the Sweet Misery video above, Dr. Blaylock, a recently retired board-certified neurosurgeon and author of the book Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills, > says that because aspartame is " a poison that affects protein > synthesis; affects how the synapses operate in the brain, and affects > DNA, it can affect numerous organs. So you can get many different > symptoms that seem unconnected. " > > However, " when looking at the list of symptoms submitted to the FDA, most of them are neurological, " Dr. Blaylock says. > Some of the most commonly reported neurological symptoms include: > > *Headaches > > *Changes in behavior or mood > > * " Fuzzy " thinking > > *Seizures > > *Depression > Kathy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 I know what you mean. I do sometimes feel I sense a little franticness from some who read posts that condemn this or that and wonder then what they should do. My heart goes out to them. I think we finally get back to some kind of balance again though. When I first joined this group there was a lot of discussion going around about cross-contamination and that was something that had never entered my mind before as I have never had that problem. When I learned that so many do it made me wonder if I could or would myself, if I haven't been exercising proper care, and I started to worry a little, ha. But after a while I remembered that if I haven't ever noticed a problem with it all this time it must not be an issue for me and so forget about it. I think we all calm back down again. At least I certainly hope so. anita ---osisposis wrote just like anything else , if you can tolerate you can, if you cant you cant. your afraid to consume aspertame but you can sit on a highway while trafic is backed up thats been freshly tared and chemicals are being gassed out into the air around you, or live close to a high traffic area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 there is no such thing as the perfect candida diet that works for everyone. everyone is a little different, so finding what you can tolerate is the key. you basically need to find things that don't feed the candida. stevia, artificial sweetners etc may not directly feed the candida, but they often cause other issues, but again will depend of your level of sensitivity. since most moldies are sensitive, and if you already have issues with blood pressure and glucose control, stevia may not be a good idea either. stevia can lower blood sugar and blood pressure. all carbs will break down into sugar. depending on your level of severity of candida you may need to temporarily cut out many carbs too. some people need to cut out all grains as well as root veggies. others may be able to tolerate whole grains but not for example white rice. in general, most moldies won't be able to tolerate processed foods. if that's the case, then maybe baked goods, even if they are gluten free, sugar free will be an issue. i'm not sure what types of gluten alternative flours you are consuming, but if it's made of potato, corn, white rice, it may be feeding the candida also. if you have already done a lot systemic candida and mold clearing and are already adding back things into your diet, you may be able to eat gluten free bread again, but in general, i don't recommend it for initial stages of candida/mold clearing. if you want to eat grains, whole grains and whole veggies are better, because complex carbs are less likely to feed candida. but again, you'll need to see what works for you. also, with the candida issue, it's really important to be very strict with the diet that works for you, because just a small amount of the wrong sugar can trigger a domino effect with candida. i hope that's helpful. > > Rossane, Many here do not tolerate chemicals now , some less severe, some > more severe > > It is not just the chemical processing. If you have MCS this is a problem I > cannot tolerate chemicals in anything, different than not caring for it. > > You should avoid products of fermentation also. If your are moldie this is a > problem > > If you read and learn ingredients in food and where they come from things > become more clear as to what you are to avoid and not. > > Not something you can learn really from one post but reading > and researching things. > > I do not know myself about xylitol " or soribtol . Never researched those but > aspartame, saccharin, those I would avoid like the plague itself. > > Alcohol is a product of fermentation. Being strict for some time can help you > heal. > > God Bless !! > dragonflymcs > Mayleen > > > > > ________________________________ > From: nne <Roxygardens@...> > > Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 3:09:31 PM > Subject: [] Re: Questions on Sugars > > > I`am really confused here. I have been buy baked goods across the country that > are non gluten and do not contain sugar but are sweeten with various substances > that I thought were okay. > Like: soribtol (I buy sorbitol gum all the time!) > xylitol " > Now for the Agave that I just purchased is it just because of the chemical > processing that you don`t care for? > I was told its okay.. > Who knows exactly whats okay and what itsnt to rid your body of yeast with out > being 100% strict. > Unless maybe I have to be...Maybe I have been getting the wrong information. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 All sugars are inflammatory for our condition. xylitol is not a sugar, neither is stevia stevia and xylitol will not feed candida. Xylitol has a laxitive effect. Agave, although touted as a low-glycemic sweetener, is inflammatory and feeds candida > > I`am really confused here. I have been buy baked goods across the country that are non gluten and do not contain sugar but are sweeten with various substances that I thought were okay. > Like: soribtol (I buy sorbitol gum all the time!) > xylitol " > Now for the Agave that I just purchased is it just because of the chemical processing that you don`t care for? > I was told its okay.. > Who knows exactly whats okay and what itsnt to rid your body of yeast with out being 100% strict. > Unless maybe I have to be...Maybe I have been getting the wrong information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 maybe it also depends on whats going on with your stimach . not everything is text book. take bile reflux/influx, your just not going to find a lot of great info. conserning that. takes some digging. I wont get into gross details, lets just say it hurts, alot. now in a normal person, bile denatures many toxins, well whos to say that if the bile is in your stomach, what effects that might have on something like aspertame. > > Xylitol is antifungal, comes from birch bark. > Stevia is an herb, it's good. > As for the other sweet things, maybe depends on how much candida you have, how much of the sweetener you use, and how it makes you feel. > anita > > ---------------------------------- > From: nne > Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2011 12:09 PM > > Subject: [] Re: Questions on Sugars > >  > I`am really confused here. I have been buy baked goods across the country that are non gluten and do not contain sugar but are sweeten with various substances that I thought were okay. > Like: soribtol (I buy sorbitol gum all the time!) > xylitol " > Now for the Agave that I just purchased is it just because of the chemical processing that you don`t care for? > I was told its okay.. > Who knows exactly whats okay and what itsnt to rid your body of yeast with out being 100% strict. > Unless maybe I have to be...Maybe I have been getting the wrong information. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 your not even supposed to take sorbital with IBS, however I dont really put one lable on my stomach condition, because theres more going on there. cant even say I still have a big issue with candida, seems to of mellowed out alot after practiceing advoidance and starveing it out on my greens and meat diet, actually seems that just getting away from the WDB's played a big role. my biggest problem with my stomach remain to be bile reflux/influx and the pain that goes along with that. IBS which I probably have is somewhat controlable by elimanating foods that send my stomach into a growly,gassy uproar followed by dieerhea, still sometimes with blood if it happens but I've gotten pretty good at controlling this issue. I dont have chronic dieerhea like I did have. I'm very very aware of things I consume that affect me in several different ways. I'm very aware that most canned veggies (the chemicals in them) can cause a severe reaction that goes straight to my head in a very bad way. I know that if I try to cook these canned veggies the smell well do the same, just by different route. no canned veggies for me. I know meat thats getting even a little on the funcky side, fruit thats getting ripe, several things my stomach doesn't agree with and my stomach lets me know real quick. you cant aways go by what you read, alot of it come by experience. actually theres not much you can read conserning anything that may be apart of this illness because it's only a part and our body does function in parts, it's a whole. people can go on and on about aspertame as far as I'm conserned but they dont have my stomach problems and they really cant tell me whats bad or worse or anything else when it comes to me and my stomach. thats why I get a little aggervated when this suject goes overboard. > > > > > > I don't want to offend anyone but, but aspartame is a chemical poison. > > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/aspartame-health-risks_b_668692.html > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgIj7Gayb54 60 min video > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqIFDoOwSFM & feature=relatedDr. Blaylock > > > > > > > > In the Sweet Misery video above, Dr. Blaylock, a recently retired board-certified neurosurgeon and author of the book Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills, > > says that because aspartame is " a poison that affects protein > > synthesis; affects how the synapses operate in the brain, and affects > > DNA, it can affect numerous organs. So you can get many different > > symptoms that seem unconnected. " > > > > However, " when looking at the list of symptoms submitted to the FDA, most of them are neurological, " Dr. Blaylock says. > > Some of the most commonly reported neurological symptoms include: > > > > *Headaches > > > > *Changes in behavior or mood > > > > * " Fuzzy " thinking > > > > *Seizures > > > > *Depression > > Kathy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 aspertame even a few sips makes me REALLY sick no matter what you say Janet In a message dated 2/4/2011 8:49:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gilvice@... writes: Re: Questions on Sugars Posted by: " KathyB " _calicocat477@..._ (mailto:calicocat477@...) _calicocat477@..._ (mailto:calicocat477@...) Date: Thu Feb 3, 2011 7:29 pm ((PST)) I don't want to offend anyone but, but aspartame is a chemical poison. Wrong wrong wrong Aspartame is not a poison and it is not based on petroleum. It is a methyl ester of a dipeptide made of phenylalanine and aspartic acid, two amino acids present in all meat, and most vegetable based protein. Some people call it a poison because methanol is released when it is digested. But the methanol level is similar to what you get by eating a wintergreen Lifesaver which contains methyl salicylate, also known as oil of wintergreen. Several other natural foods also release similar levels of methanol, a poison at higher doses. There are some real problems with aspartame, particularly when someone drinks 4-5 cans of diet soda without eating anything. That's when all the symptoms most people complain of appear due to the unbalanced amino acid distribution being absorbed. But having a diet Coke with a hamburger (protein) causes most people no problems. Another problem is that aspartame does not satisfy hunger, and some studies have shown that some people who use aspartame to lose weight actually gain. Last, because aspartame is a methyl ester, it does slowly decompose to its three building blocks when dissolved in water, particularly acidic water like soda. Therefore product shelf life is far shorter than soda sweetened with sugar. A three year old bottle of Coke still tastes pretty good (phosphoric acid retards microbes), but year old diet Coke tastes terrible. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 aspertame http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecfa/jecmono/v15je03.htm here you can read about aspertame studies all day. to me dose has to be considered. I dont even come close to the daily allowence. weither any or all of these studies are legit, cant say. I look at it like this , if your sensitive to it, in any way that you can reconize it, stay away from it, if you not still dont consume much of it, it is a chemical. weither it is any more or less dangerous than many other chemicals is still under debate. dose matters. thats about all I have to say on the subject, except I hope that some of you who think your not getting any, know that codes are sometimes used and you cant always just read the lable. in my opinion, the toxin is still in the dose. > > maybe it also depends on whats going on with your stimach . > not everything is text book. take bile reflux/influx, your just not going to find a lot of great info. conserning that. takes some digging. > I wont get into gross details, lets just say it hurts, alot. > now in a normal person, bile denatures many toxins, well whos to say that if the bile is in your stomach, what effects that might have on something like aspertame. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 my main drink right now is green tea, I like the green tea with pomegranade,pomegranate<spelling. frozen pomegranade juice is good but only certain stores carry it around here, I dont know why, it's about the only juice I want to drink. pomegranade is naturally sweat, kindof. > > your not even supposed to take sorbital with IBS, however I dont really put one lable on my stomach condition, because theres more going on there. cant even say I still have a big issue with candida, seems to of mellowed out alot after practiceing advoidance and starveing it out on my greens and meat diet, actually seems that just getting away from the WDB's played a big role. my biggest problem with my stomach remain to be bile reflux/influx and the pain that goes along with that. IBS which I probably have is somewhat controlable by elimanating foods that send my stomach into a growly,gassy uproar followed by dieerhea, still sometimes with blood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Re: Questions on Sugars Posted by: " KathyB " calicocat477@... calicocat477@... Date: Thu Feb 3, 2011 7:29 pm ((PST)) I don't want to offend anyone but, but aspartame is a chemical poison. Wrong wrong wrong Aspartame is not a poison and it is not based on petroleum. It is a methyl ester of a dipeptide made of phenylalanine and aspartic acid, two amino acids present in all meat, and most vegetable based protein. Some people call it a poison because methanol is released when it is digested. But the methanol level is similar to what you get by eating a wintergreen Lifesaver which contains methyl salicylate, also known as oil of wintergreen. Several other natural foods also release similar levels of methanol, a poison at higher doses. There are some real problems with aspartame, particularly when someone drinks 4-5 cans of diet soda without eating anything. That's when all the symptoms most people complain of appear due to the unbalanced amino acid distribution being absorbed. But having a diet Coke with a hamburger (protein) causes most people no problems. Another problem is that aspartame does not satisfy hunger, and some studies have shown that some people who use aspartame to lose weight actually gain. Last, because aspartame is a methyl ester, it does slowly decompose to its three building blocks when dissolved in water, particularly acidic water like soda. Therefore product shelf life is far shorter than soda sweetened with sugar. A three year old bottle of Coke still tastes pretty good (phosphoric acid retards microbes), but year old diet Coke tastes terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 I really dont know what to think about it. sounds like the methanol mostly is co2 out in breath, is that true? still isn't a good thing. I think why diet pepsi helps my stomach with the bile problem is because it makes me burp and with bile reflux you either burp or throw up. sorry, gross. but it also stops the pain and I cant stand that felling and pain in my gut. it only gets aggervated now if I ingest or breath in something that doesn't agree with me, hard to be perfit all the time,so does still happen. I probably need sergery but from what I've read it isn't well reconized, it useually involves chronic illness and lots of doctor basiclly wait until it becomes cancer before they well do anything because some have a tendency to more off chronic illnesses as just being a whinny patient. doctors need to realize if someones stomach area is kind of bloated theres something wrong there. > > > Re: Questions on Sugars > Posted by: " KathyB " calicocat477@... calicocat477@... > Date: Thu Feb 3, 2011 7:29 pm ((PST)) > > I don't want to offend anyone but, but aspartame is a chemical poison. > > > Wrong wrong wrong > > Aspartame is not a poison and it is not based on petroleum. It is a methyl ester of a dipeptide made of phenylalanine and aspartic acid, two amino acids present in all meat, and most vegetable based protein. Some people call it a poison because methanol is released when it is digested. But the methanol level is similar to what you get by eating a wintergreen Lifesaver which contains methyl salicylate, also known as oil of wintergreen. Several other natural foods also release similar levels of methanol, a poison at higher doses. > There are some real problems with aspartame, particularly when someone drinks 4-5 cans of diet soda without eating anything. That's when all the symptoms most people complain of appear due to the unbalanced amino acid distribution being absorbed. But having a diet Coke with a hamburger (protein) causes most people no problems. Another problem is that aspartame does not satisfy hunger, and some studies have shown that some people who use aspartame to lose weight actually gain. Last, because aspartame is a methyl ester, it does slowly decompose to its three building blocks when dissolved in water, particularly acidic water like soda. Therefore product shelf life is far shorter than soda sweetened with sugar. A three year old bottle of Coke still tastes pretty good (phosphoric acid retards microbes), but year old diet Coke tastes terrible. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 you are still pretty reactive to alot of things, hope that gets better for you, sounds like you got hit pretty bad, so did I. the more things going on with us the harder it is to get things under control. one thing always affects another thing and nothing seems to work. I've never really cared for pop myself,your not missing much there, I dont like alot of sweatness to my drinks. I do have a problem with chocalate, I try to stick with dark chocalate. cant have much around cause I'll eat it. > > aspertame even a few sips makes me REALLY sick no matter what you say > Janet > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Gotcha Mayleen on the mcs... I have had it for awhile now. It just some folks are worse than others I suppose. Mine does seem to worsen as time goes by. Can`t even get my intergrative doctor to understand this. As for aspertame. If I want a migrane , all I have to do is go near aspertame. My body lets me know how it feels about certain chemicals. Thank goodness it does not say no to everything. uhh! nne~ > > Rossane, Many here do not tolerate chemicals now , some less severe, some > more severe > > It is not just the chemical processing. If you have MCS this is a problem I > cannot tolerate chemicals in anything, different than not caring for it. > > You should avoid products of fermentation also. If your are moldie this is a > problem > > If you read and learn ingredients in food and where they come from things > become more clear as to what you are to avoid and not. > > Not something you can learn really from one post but reading > and researching things. > > I do not know myself about xylitol " or soribtol . Never researched those but > aspartame, saccharin, those I would avoid like the plague itself. > > Alcohol is a product of fermentation. Being strict for some time can help you > heal. > > God Bless !! > dragonflymcs > Mayleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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