Re: Questions on Sugars

[Guest guest]

Thank You !

I think I`m finally getting the hang of it..

R~

>

> All sugars are inflammatory for our condition. xylitol is not a sugar, neither

is stevia

> stevia and xylitol will not feed candida. Xylitol has a laxitive effect.

Agave, although touted as a low-glycemic sweetener, is inflammatory and feeds

candida

>

[Guest guest]

Gil is correct. Aspartame can also be deadly. There is an older book

written about it called " The Deadly Deception " by Nash Stoddard.

Many more exposes have been written since.

Barth

www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html

SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html

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GV> Re: Questions on Sugars

GV> Posted by: " KathyB " calicocat477@... calicocat477@...

GV> Date: Thu Feb 3, 2011 7:29 pm ((PST))

GV> I don't want to offend anyone but, but aspartame is a chemical poison.

GV> Wrong wrong wrong

GV> Aspartame is not a poison and it is not based on petroleum. It is a methyl

ester of a dipeptide made of phenylalanine and aspartic acid, two amino acids

present in all meat, and most vegetable

GV> based protein. Some people call it a poison because methanol is released

when it is digested. But the methanol level is similar to what you get by eating

a wintergreen Lifesaver which contains

GV> methyl salicylate, also known as oil of wintergreen. Several other natural

foods also release similar levels of methanol, a poison at higher doses.

GV> There are some real problems with aspartame, particularly when someone

drinks 4-5 cans of diet soda without eating anything. That's when all the

symptoms most people complain of appear due to

GV> the unbalanced amino acid distribution being absorbed. But having a diet

Coke with a hamburger (protein) causes most people no problems. Another problem

is that aspartame does not satisfy hunger,

GV> and some studies have shown that some people who use aspartame to lose

weight actually gain. Last, because aspartame is a methyl ester, it does slowly

decompose to its three building blocks when

GV> dissolved in water, particularly acidic water like soda. Therefore product

shelf life is far shorter than soda sweetened with sugar. A three year old

bottle of Coke still tastes pretty good

GV> (phosphoric acid retards microbes), but year old diet Coke tastes terrible.

GV>

[Guest guest]

I was never able to drink anything with artificial sugars. Aspartame is a

neurological poison, so I would not take it. People have developed

aspartame syndrome. I use aspartame for ant mounds. One packet kills the mound

and the queen.

Sweetpoison, written by author Dr. Janet Starr Hull, is a book exposing

aspartame dangers. SweetPoison.com provides a variety of aspartame information

including nutritional advice on aspartame detoxification,aspartame side

effects and up-to-date information on aspartame dangers

http://www.sweetpoison.com/

n My Aspartame Experiment: Report from a Personal Citizen, creator

Inness-Brownish recounts her controversial a couple of-one/two yr study of the

consequences of the synthetic sweetener aspartame. Found in packets of

NutraSweet® or Equal®, the sweetener is ingested by an believed 200 million

men and women and identified in around 6,000 consumables, such as sodas,

candies, coffees, prescription drugs, nutritional vitamins, and dairy

merchandise. Although approved by the FDA, Inness-Dark brown claims the approval

was based on research minimize off ahead of the genuine results of the additive

could be viewed. In addition, human studies use aspartame in capsules, which is

not assimilated as fully as its liquid form, thereby minimizing adverse results.

Worried about the health and fitness of relatives members addicted to food plan

soda, Inness-Brown raised 108 rats, giving 60 NutraSweet-laced water for two ½

many years. As her rats on aspartame started manifesting tumors, paralysis,

contaminated and bleeding eyes, and obesity, Inness-Brownish manufactured

digit (more…)

http://www.aspartamesideeffects.net/my-aspartame-experiment-report-from-a-privat\

e-citizen-paperback/

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: " Gingersnap1964@... " <Gingersnap1964@...>

Sent: Fri, February 4, 2011 9:16:37 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Questions on Sugars

aspertame even a few sips makes me REALLY sick no matter what you say

Janet

[Guest guest]

My pleasure, I just avid like as much as I can. Safer for me to do, I would

rather be safe than sorry later. They say there are 5 stages of MCS by: W

Meggs :

Stages of “MCSâ€

Dr. Meggs provides an excellent description of the observed stages of chemically

induced illness described as the " Hypothetical Chemical Stress Syndrome " .

STAGE ZERO -- TOLERANCE: is what it appears to be, the ability of a person to

tolerate their chemical environment.

STAGE ONE -- SENSITIZATION: or the irritant phase, " occurs when an individual is

chemically stressed either by an acute high-dose chemical exposure, or by a

chronic insidious exposure. Individuals in Stage 1 have symptoms on exposure to

chemicals, but no physical findings on physical examination. " Symptoms may

include joint pain, muscle pain, headache, fatigue, flushing, pruritis, nausea,

et al.

STAGE TWO -- INFLAMMATION: is when the chemical exposure has led to tissue

inflammation, such as arthritis, vasculitis, some types of dermatitis, colitis,

myositis, non-allergic asthma, multiple sclerosis and rhinitis. " It is at this

stage that both findings in physical examination appear and a medical diagnosis

can be given... The progression from Stage 1 to Stage 2 again follows increasing

chemical exposures, and if tissue damage has not occurred, the inflammation can

be reversed by removal of the chemical stimuli. " When a person is in stage 2,

the symptoms can be controlled through various medications if a person is not

sensitive to those medications.

However, one needs to exercise caution because the medications are not a cure

for chemical exposure, but rather can mask the root cause of the symptoms,

allowing further subtle cell damage to occur if the chemicals are not avoided:

" That is, progression between Stages 1 and 2 is a two-way process, with

regression from Stage 2 to Stage 1 being possible if chemicals are avoided. The

inflammation of Stage 2 can be reduced by medications such as corticosteroids

and the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory agents, but these agents are not a

curative. If the chemical stimuli are not removed, there is immediate relapse of

inflammation with discontinuation of anti-inflammatory medications. Further,

these medications do not prevent the progression from Stage 2 to Stage 3. "

STAGE THREE -- TISSUE AND ORGAN DETERIORATION: is when chronic inflammation

caused by chemical exposure has finally led to tissue damage such as nerve

damage, kidney damage, liver damage, lung damage, autoimmune damage, etc. This

stage is irreversible: " Unfortunately, once tissue is damaged there is little

hope in current medical practice for reversal, and organ function is lost. " This

doesn't mean it's time to throw in the towel. It is a point where patients need

to carefully reevaluate their situation and further examine their environment

for possible contributing factors. They then need to adjust by making the

necessary lifestyle changes to try to prevent sill worse damage from occurring.

It is important to note here that individuals can pass throughout these apparent

stages without ever having developed MCS, or even without making a mental

connection to chronic chemical exposure in their environment.

MCS becomes debilitating for most of the individuals who eventually progress to

stages two and three. Although MCS is very controversial both the U.S. Dept. of

Housing and Urban Development and the Social Security Administration have

recognized MSC as a disability. Many state agencies will help individuals with

MCS by providing assistance with homemakers, counselors and many other very

important services.

http://www.mcsbeaconofhope.com/MCS%20BOH/meggs_main.htm

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: nne <Roxygardens@...>

Sent: Fri, February 4, 2011 10:20:19 PM

Subject: [] Re: Questions on Sugars

Gotcha Mayleen on the mcs... I have had it for awhile now.

It just some folks are worse than others I suppose.

Mine does seem to worsen as time goes by. Can`t even get my

[Guest guest]

thank you and yes I am still pretty reactive even five years later I was

exposed for 12 years and never realized it till I became very ill and a

report was done stating what molds there were and what they could do to you

Janet

In a message dated 2/4/2011 10:12:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jeaninem660@... writes:

you are still pretty reactive to alot of things, hope that gets better for

you, sounds like you got hit pretty bad, so did I. the more things going on

with us the harder it is to get things under control. one thing always

affects another thing and nothing seems to work.

I've never really cared for pop myself,your not missing much there, I dont

like alot of sweatness to my drinks. I do have a problem with chocalate, I

try to stick with dark chocalate. cant have much around cause I'll eat it.

>

> aspertame even a few sips makes me REALLY sick no matter what you say

> Janet

>

[Guest guest]

for me inflammation was involved from the beganing, and stage three was my

second exposure. sounds like this is refering mostly to other types of chemical

exposures, not exposure in a WDB.

I really dont see how inflammation comes as a second stage,

things we are exposed to in WDB's cause immedite tissue damage and conasponding

inflammation, the level of inflammation goes along with the level of tissue

damage accuring.

it is interesting because I can see where some fairly high dose/short term

exposures and first becomeing sensitive and not knowing to advoid would lead to

this process here. but it doesn't seem to fit with chronic exposure in a WDB.

there would be a hudge difference in short term/high dose exposures and chronic

,longer term exposures.

>

> My pleasure, I just avid like as much as I can. Safer for me to do, I would

> rather be safe than sorry later. They say there are 5 stages of MCS by: W

> Meggs :

>

[Guest guest]

I cant walk into a home depot smell the mold in the soil and fertilizer

Janet MCS is bad

In a message dated 2/5/2011 6:17:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jeaninem660@... writes:

dragonflymcs, this is something I think is important. heres what I think,

how I veiw a MCS diagnoses, it is a disease, but maybe kindof like the tip

of the iceberg. and it's a disease where you can become sensitized to one or

several things involved with the exposure.

I think that with MCS can become more of a symptom of TE and CIRS when the

exposures are more than what your body /mucosal stem, ect. can handle and

mucosal damage tissie and organ damage can accure, this is why you get

CIRS.

see what I'm saying?

[Guest guest]

this really sounds like it's more in line with maybe what iol spill workers may

have experenced,or exposure to only one chemical that you become sensitive to

but dont know you need to avoid it now so it keeps working on your system.

maybe some WDB exposures but ones where you just get sensitized without getting

any organ damage which seems it would be a something you would have a much

greater chance of recovering from if you get out quick. and know to avoid the

things that caused your sensitivitys.

>

> My pleasure, I just avid like as much as I can. Safer for me to do, I would

> rather be safe than sorry later. They say there are 5 stages of MCS by: W

> Meggs :

>

> Stages of “MCSâ€

>

>

> Dr. Meggs provides an excellent description of the observed stages of

chemically

> induced illness described as the " Hypothetical Chemical Stress Syndrome " .

>

> STAGE ZERO

[Guest guest]

dragonflymcs, this is something I think is important. heres what I think, how I

veiw a MCS diagnoses, it is a disease, but maybe kindof like the tip of the

iceberg. and it's a disease where you can become sensitized to one or several

things involved with the exposure.

I think that with MCS can become more of a symptom of TE and CIRS when the

exposures are more than what your body /mucosal stem, ect. can handle and

mucosal damage tissie and organ damage can accure, this is why you get CIRS.

see what I'm saying?

> Stages of “MCSâ€

>

> http://www.mcsbeaconofhope.com/MCS%20BOH/meggs_main.htm

>

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

>

[Guest guest]

never had NCS till I was exposed greatly

Janet

In a message dated 2/5/2011 8:16:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

dragonflymcs@... writes:

This is not about WDB only with regard to MCS. Not much published in MCS

about

mold exposure. Maybe another topic someone needs to address as well in a

published paper.

________________________________

From: osisposis <_jeaninem660@..._

(mailto:jeaninem660@...) >

_ _ (mailto: )

Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 1:34:13 PM

Subject: [] Re: Questions on Sugars

for me inflammation was involved from the beganing, and stage three was my

second exposure. sounds like this is refering mostly to other types of

chemical

exposures, not exposure in a WDB.

I really dont see how inflammation comes as a second stage,

things we are exposed to in WDB's cause immedite tissue damage and

conasponding

inflammation, the level of inflammation goes along with the level of

tissue

damage accuring.

it is interesting because I can see where some fairly high dose/short term

exposures and first becomeing sensitive and not knowing to advoid would

lead to

this process here. but it doesn't seem to fit with chronic exposure in a

WDB.

there would be a hudge difference in short term/high dose exposures and

chronic

,longer term exposures.

[Guest guest]

This is not about WDB only with regard to MCS. Not much published in MCS about

mold exposure. Maybe another topic someone needs to address as well in a

published paper.

________________________________

From: osisposis <jeaninem660@...>

Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 1:34:13 PM

Subject: [] Re: Questions on Sugars

for me inflammation was involved from the beganing, and stage three was my

second exposure. sounds like this is refering mostly to other types of chemical

exposures, not exposure in a WDB.

I really dont see how inflammation comes as a second stage,

things we are exposed to in WDB's cause immedite tissue damage and conasponding

inflammation, the level of inflammation goes along with the level of tissue

damage accuring.

it is interesting because I can see where some fairly high dose/short term

exposures and first becomeing sensitive and not knowing to advoid would lead to

this process here. but it doesn't seem to fit with chronic exposure in a WDB.

there would be a hudge difference in short term/high dose exposures and chronic

,longer term exposures.

[Guest guest]

The 9/11 victims and Gulf War Vets suffered multiple combined exposures. Again

not much is written that I have found anyways with regard to WDB and MCS or

chemical intolerance. The toxin effect is accumulative, so if you have a

problem with elimination you progress to organ damage. My organ damage happened

in 2 weeks, so who is to say what prolonged exposure is, or how much

exposure.............learning to avoid will spare organs in the long run.

________________________________

From: osisposis <jeaninem660@...>

Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 1:44:47 PM

Subject: [] Re: Questions on Sugars

this really sounds like it's more in line with maybe what iol spill workers may

have experenced,or exposure to only one chemical that you become sensitive to

but dont know you need to avoid it now so it keeps working on your system.

maybe some WDB exposures but ones where you just get sensitized without getting

any organ damage which seems it would be a something you would have a much

greater chance of recovering from if you get out quick. and know to avoid the

things that caused your sensitivitys.

[Guest guest]

I'm so sorry Mayleen. What happened to you & others.

Gulf war vets had multiple vaccine's which didn't help their cumulative

exposure.

It's sad 911 volunteers weren't  protected w hazmat suits & resperators like

they should have.

Most  didn't know mold can get in our blood streams & cross the bbb.  I

thought I'd walk out & recover in a few mos.

 

Kathy

<dragonflymcs@...>Re: Questions on Sugars

The toxin effect is accumulative, so if you have a

problem with elimination you progress to organ damage. My organ damage happened

in 2 weeks, so who is to say what prolonged exposure is, or how much

exposure.............learning to avoid will spare organs in the long run.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that Mayleen. I remember reading that about the stages and mine was

clearly defined. I can tell ou exactly when I moved on to the third stage, the

point of no return. Wish I could. Now I need to pass on theatinfof becuase I

see others who are at stage two and ill most of the time but keep going to work

and tolerating it.

I am passing this on.

Meredith

>

> My pleasure, I just avid like as much as I can. Safer for me to do, I would

> rather be safe than sorry later. They say there are 5 stages of MCS by: W

> Meggs :

[Guest guest]

theres some out there, some older ones well just piss you off.

they've all been through hell too.

>

> The 9/11 victims and Gulf War Vets suffered multiple combined exposures.

Again

> not much is written that I have found anyways with regard to WDB and MCS or

> chemical intolerance. The toxin effect is accumulative, so if you have a

> problem with elimination you progress to organ damage. My organ damage

happened

> in 2 weeks, so who is to say what prolonged exposure is, or how much

> exposure.............learning to avoid will spare organs in the long run.

>

> ________________________________

> From: osisposis <jeaninem660@...>

>

> Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 1:44:47 PM

> Subject: [] Re: Questions on Sugars

>

> this really sounds like it's more in line with maybe what iol spill workers

may

> have experenced,or exposure to only one chemical that you become sensitive to

> but dont know you need to avoid it now so it keeps working on your system.

>

> maybe some WDB exposures but ones where you just get sensitized without

getting

> any organ damage which seems it would be a something you would have a much

> greater chance of recovering from if you get out quick. and know to avoid the

> things that caused your sensitivitys.

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Kathy,

It is my understanding at 9/11 mostly everyone in a 60 mile circumference

from ground zero became ill with one thing or another from the exposure. Gulf

War Vets were also exposed to depleted uranium and burning oil wells, multiple

exposures.

________________________________

From: KathyB <calicocat477@...>

Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 9:03:54 PM

Subject: [] Re: Questions on Sugars

I'm so sorry Mayleen. What happened to you & others.

Gulf war vets had multiple vaccine's which didn't help their cumulative

exposure.

It's sad 911 volunteers weren't protected w hazmat suits & resperators like

they should have.

Most didn't know mold can get in our blood streams & cross the bbb. I thought

I'd walk out & recover in a few mos.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

My pleasure Meredith,

You notice the same I do. Some do not understand that there is a point of no

return. I try to help those because I know when I got to mine down to the

month, week even. Some believe because they do not react to it now it's OK,

the matter is eventually it all catches up with you and you become more and more

reactive to things you were not previously. That is sad, preventable getting

worse.

________________________________

From: fontanafool <productionking04@...>

Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 9:45:09 PM

Subject: [] Re: Questions on Sugars

Thanks for that Mayleen. I remember reading that about the stages and mine was

clearly defined. I can tell ou exactly when I moved on to the third stage, the

point of no return. Wish I could. Now I need to pass on theatinfof becuase I

see others who are at stage two and ill most of the time but keep going to work

and tolerating it.

I am passing this on.

Meredith

[Guest guest]

Yes they have .

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: osisposis <jeaninem660@...>

Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 9:52:44 PM

Subject: [] Re: Questions on Sugars

theres some out there, some older ones well just piss you off.

they've all been through hell too.

>

> The 9/11 victims and Gulf War Vets suffered multiple combined exposures.

Again

> not much is written that I have found anyways with regard to WDB and MCS or

> chemical intolerance. The toxin effect is accumulative, so if you have a

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry for my ignorance, but what is TE.

And thank you to all who have answered my questions this past week. I've learned

a lot already!

>

> I know many MCS'ers do not have TE and do say do not have those symptoms where

> people in a WDB seem to have both,,,,,, I think in WDB it is more complicated.

> As is the environment itself of a WDB. The exposures can be so complex so

many

> variables. I think we should be looking more at overlapping syndromes .....

as

> opposed to it being a symptom of CIRS.

>

>

[Guest guest]

TOXIC ENCEPHALOPATHY. yes, overlapping, sorry, I wanted to dive into this

subject but I dont fell much like doing that at the momment.

> >

> > I know many MCS'ers do not have TE and do say do not have those symptoms

where

> > people in a WDB seem to have both,,,,,, I think in WDB it is more

complicated.

> > As is the environment itself of a WDB. The exposures can be so complex so

many

> > variables. I think we should be looking more at overlapping syndromes .....

as

> > opposed to it being a symptom of CIRS.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

thank you for clarifying.

> > >

> > > I know many MCS'ers do not have TE and do say do not have those symptoms

where

> > > people in a WDB seem to have both,,,,,, I think in WDB it is more

complicated.

> > > As is the environment itself of a WDB. The exposures can be so complex

so many

> > > variables. I think we should be looking more at overlapping syndromes

...... as

> > > opposed to it being a symptom of CIRS.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

No problem we are all in the learning process, something new will always arise.

http://national-toxic-encephalopathy-foundation.org/

Encephalopathy is a term for any diffuse disease of the brain that alters brain

function or structure. Encephalopathy may be caused by infectious agent

(bacteria, virus, or prion), metabolic or mitochondrial dysfunction, brain tumor

or increased pressure in the skull, prolonged exposure to toxic elements

(including solvents, drugs, radiation, paints, industrial chemicals, and certain

metals), chronic progressive trauma, poor nutrition, or lack of oxygen or blood

flow to the brain. "

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: momoko_uno <momoko_uno@...>

Sent: Sun, February 6, 2011 9:54:29 AM

Subject: [] Re: Questions on Sugars

I'm sorry for my ignorance, but what is TE.

And thank you to all who have answered my questions this past week. I've learned

a lot already!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's OK we know little energy.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: osisposis <jeaninem660@...>

Sent: Sun, February 6, 2011 1:54:41 PM

Subject: [] Re: Questions on Sugars

TOXIC ENCEPHALOPATHY. yes, overlapping, sorry, I wanted to dive into this

subject but I dont fell much like doing that at the momment.