Re: Congestive heart failure-any mold connection?

[Guest guest]

I'm having heart problems too. I would suspect it's due to the

longterm chronic fatigue and not getting enough exercise - in my case

anyway.

Barth

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k> Does anyone know if there is a connection between mold exposure and

Congestive Heart Failure?

k> Both my husband & I were diagnosed with it yesterday. I suspected he had it

because of swollen ankles, but actually I have it too & probably worse! It was a

shock & quite scary. We are both

k> mid-fifties. We recently left our moldy house, only to unwittingly move into

another. We have looked at everything for rent in the whole county and not found

one place without mold. We have seen

k> leaking roofs, windows, plumbing, moldy bathrooms, etc. I got so incredibly

sick last Sunday just looking at an apartment. It turns out the shower was

literaly a wooden closet! The windowsill

k> still had lots of black and orange mold on it. Ugh.

k> Where is there a safe place to live? I'm struggling to not despair.

k> Kathleen

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry to hear about that.

That's very important info to me. GOod to know it's not just me, as well as

just how bad it is out there.

I've been learning so much interesting things about chelation therapy.

[Guest guest]

Congestive Heart Failure is NOT a death sentence. The only known causative

factor is anything that puts the heart under stress. Doctors focus on incidents

such as heart attacks, which put the heart under sudden acute stress, as

causative factors that weaken the heart enough, to interfere with its ongoing

ability to pump blood. To the best of my knowledge, there is very little

research into long-term chronic heart stressors that may lead to heart failure.

And, as always, there is zero interest, on the part of medical researchers, to

explore ANY environmental factor, such as mold, as a causative factor. I have

also been diagnosed as having congestive heart failure. It just seems logical

that since my past mold exposures were enough to weaken the blood vessels in my

nose, to provoke non-stop nosebleeds, that the same weakening of my heart must

have taken place, at the same time, as the same blood coming out my nose, was

carried through my heart, containing the same heart damaging mold and

mycotoxins. My mold exposures were all very short-term, but I watched my father

subject himself to a two year mold exposure, and develop heart failure along

with other co-morbidities, which he did not have, prior to his mold exposure.

So, in light of my watching his deterioration, I am positive that mold can cause

congestive heart failure. As he was 92 years old, my " mold ravings " have

classified me as being mentally ill, on the subject of mold, by family and

friends. Any medical professional who I mention my beliefs to, gives me the

" poor Joe, he hasn't gotten over the shock at the loss of his father " look. My

father died 20 months ago. My advice to you, is get into a mold-free environment

as soon as possible, even if it means living in a single room, instead of a

house or apartment, until your body has de-toxed from all your mold reactivity.

At that future date, you can resume looking for a mold-free indoor environment,

for your permanent habitat. You must get your heart away from the stress of mold

exposure. Good luck and God Bless. Joe

..........................................

>

> Does anyone know if there is a connection between mold exposure and Congestive

Heart Failure?

> Both my husband & I were diagnosed with it yesterday. I suspected he had it

because of swollen ankles, but actually I have it too & probably worse! It was a

shock & quite scary. We are both mid-fifties. We recently left our moldy house,

only to unwittingly move into another. We have looked at everything for rent in

the whole county and not found one place without mold. We have seen leaking

roofs, windows, plumbing, moldy bathrooms, etc. I got so incredibly sick last

Sunday just looking at an apartment. It turns out the shower was literaly a

wooden closet! The windowsill still had lots of black and orange mold on it.

Ugh.

> Where is there a safe place to live? I'm struggling to not despair.

> Kathleen

>

[Guest guest]

I think definately so, since your heart is laying against your lungs.

Inflamation in your lungs can put pressure on your heart and give you that

breathless feeling or the inflamation could easily spread to your heart. My

heart was tested and no problem found but I freq had breathless, heart heaviness

when I was in place breathing bad air. When I moved out, heart heaviness and

breathlessness was gone so in my case, think it was coming from my lungs, unless

whatever I was breathing was directly affecting my heart but easy to see lung

affecting your heart. Also inflamatory agents, like mold toxins can easily be

breathed into your lungs and affect your heart since the blood goes from lung

into heart.

>

> Does anyone know if there is a connection between mold exposure and Congestive

Heart Failure?

> Both my husband & I were diagnosed with it yesterday. I suspected he had it

because of swollen ankles, but actually I have it too & probably worse! It was a

shock & quite scary. We are both mid-fifties. We recently left our moldy house,

only to unwittingly move into another. We have looked at everything for rent in

the whole county and not found one place without mold. We have seen leaking

roofs, windows, plumbing, moldy bathrooms, etc. I got so incredibly sick last

Sunday just looking at an apartment. It turns out the shower was literaly a

wooden closet! The windowsill still had lots of black and orange mold on it.

Ugh.

> Where is there a safe place to live? I'm struggling to not despair.

> Kathleen

>

[Guest guest]

I spoke to a woman, maybe from this group who is being treated by dr

paul cheney for congestive heart failure, she may do stem cell therapy

at a future date for this problem, you might want to check into it,

expensive doc, expensive therapy though... sue v

>

>

>

>

>

>Congestive Heart Failure is NOT a death sentence. The only known

>causative factor is anything that puts the heart under stress. Doctors

>focus on incidents such as heart attacks, which put the heart under

>sudden acute stress, as causative factors that weaken the heart enough,

>to interfere with its ongoing ability to pump blood. To the best of my

>knowledge, there is very little research into long-term chronic heart

>stressors that may lead to heart failure. And, as always, there is zero

>interest, on the part of medical researchers, to explore ANY

>environmental factor, such as mold, as a causative factor. I have also

>been diagnosed as having congestive heart failure. It just seems logical

>that since my past mold exposures were enough to weaken the blood

>vessels in my nose, to provoke non-stop nosebleeds, that the same

[Guest guest]

Mold is very hard on the heart, where I used to live in VA, my neighbor, a woman

46 years old, died of a congested heart while living in a very moldy house, and

a man in the next town was forcibly taken out of his house by the Dept of Health

because his house had given him 3 heart attacks. I met a man here in NM who

works in the Gila. He said he moved here from Moldy Pacific NW, had congestive

heart failure, and was given 6 months to live, that was 10 years ago, he said he

thought he was always made sick from mold when he lived in the NW, but recovered

totally in 6 months of living in the Gila. Get away from mold and give yourself

a chance

-

>

> >

> > Does anyone know if there is a connection between mold exposure and

Congestive Heart Failure?

> > Both my husband & I were diagnosed with it yesterday. I suspected he had it

because of swollen ankles, but actually I have it too & probably worse! It was a

shock & quite scary. We are both mid-fifties. We recently left our moldy house,

only to unwittingly move into another. We have looked at everything for rent in

the whole county and not found one place without mold. We have seen leaking

roofs, windows, plumbing, moldy bathrooms, etc. I got so incredibly sick last

Sunday just looking at an apartment. It turns out the shower was literaly a

wooden closet! The windowsill still had lots of black and orange mold on it.

Ugh.

> > Where is there a safe place to live? I'm struggling to not despair.

> > Kathleen

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, where in NM do you live, what do you like/not like about it, and

is it hard to find mold safe accomodations there? thanks, sue

>Mold is very hard on the heart, where I used to live in VA, my neighbor,

>a woman 46 years old, died of a congested heart while living in a very

>moldy house, and a man in the next town was forcibly taken out of his

>house by the Dept of Health because his house had given him 3 heart

>attacks. I met a man here in NM who works in the Gila. He said he moved

>here from Moldy Pacific NW, had congestive heart failure, and was given

>6 months to live, that was 10 years ago, he said he thought he was

>always made sick from mold when he lived in the NW, but recovered

>totally in 6 months of living in the Gila. Get away from mold and give

>yourself a chance

>

>-

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>> > Does anyone know if there is a connection between mold exposure and

>Congestive Heart Failure?

>> > Both my husband & I were diagnosed with it yesterday. I suspected he

>had it because of swollen ankles, but actually I have it too & probably

>worse! It was a shock & quite scary. We are both mid-fifties. We

>recently left our moldy house, only to unwittingly move into another. We

>have looked at everything for rent in the whole county and not found one

>place without mold. We have seen leaking roofs, windows, plumbing, moldy

>bathrooms, etc. I got so incredibly sick last Sunday just looking at an

>apartment. It turns out the shower was literaly a wooden closet! The

>windowsill still had lots of black and orange mold on it. Ugh.

>> > Where is there a safe place to live? I'm struggling to not despair.

>> > Kathleen

>> >

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually this reminds of something very interesting. I have a cousin who went

around visiting all his relatives because his doctor said he was dying of lung

cancer. There was nothing they could do. He was about 55 I think. This was

about ten years ago. He was a smoker and lived in CA. He came here to visit me

in Cincinnati and then moved just south of here because his two kids lived in

the area and he wanted to spend more time with them since he was going to die

soon. He never did!! He got better, much better and of course I suspect SICK

BUILDING syndrome. Its the most likely thing. He didn't do anything, didn't

try to assume a healthier life style, etc, because he felt it was too late. He

just moved. As far as I know he didn't even quite smoking!! I have wanted to

talk to him about this but I don't see him that often and when I do, its a big

party.

>

>

> Mold is very hard on the heart, where I used to live in VA, my neighbor, a

woman 46 years old, died of a congested heart while living in a very moldy

house, and a man in the next town was forcibly taken out of his house by the

Dept of Health because his house had given him 3 heart attacks. I met a man here

in NM who works in the Gila. He said he moved here from Moldy Pacific NW, had

congestive heart failure, and was given 6 months to live, that was 10 years ago,

he said he thought he was always made sick from mold when he lived in the NW,

but recovered totally in 6 months of living in the Gila. Get away from mold and

give yourself a chance

>

> -

[Guest guest]

What do you think is special about Gila?

>

>

> Mold is very hard on the heart, where I used to live in VA, my neighbor, a

woman 46 years old, died of a congested heart while living in a very moldy

house, and a man in the next town was forcibly taken out of his house by the

Dept of Health because his house had given him 3 heart attacks. I met a man here

in NM who works in the Gila. He said he moved here from Moldy Pacific NW, had

congestive heart failure, and was given 6 months to live, that was 10 years ago,

he said he thought he was always made sick from mold when he lived in the NW,

but recovered totally in 6 months of living in the Gila. Get away from mold and

give yourself a chance

>

>

[Guest guest]

I love the Gila, but I have been made sick there, by moldy trailers camping, and

by flooding and debris pile up from this last winters El Nino, I do not think

there are any perfect places. The man I spoke about is not hypersensitive to

mold the way I am. He says the Gila is below the chinese air pollution stream,

and he seems to do there very well.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I live in SW NM, the best thing about NM is they have subsidized health

insurance for all, they pay 75% of my premium, which enables me to have health

insurance. And you can find high and dry land that has no neighbors and id mold

free, and the weather is good enough to live outside and not to have to worry

about insulation that is sure to get moldy. Most of the time the humidity is so

low you do not have to worry about condensation. This past winter was an

exception, in that we experienced an EL NINO. What is bad is people have flat

roofs that leak, and swamp coolers that grow mold, and lots of old trailers

everywhere. A lot of MCS people here as they like the weather also, and the

cheap living. Lots of free camping. Being away from people with lots of fresh

air and sunshine is very good for your health. In the heat of the summer you can

always run up the side of a mountain to cool off, and detox your stuff at

altitude at the same time.

>

> , where in NM do you live, what do you like/not like about it, and

> is it hard to find mold safe accomodations there? thanks, sue

>

> >Mold is very hard on the heart, where I used to live in VA, my neighbor,

> >a woman 46 years old, died of a congested heart while living in a very

> >moldy house, and a man in the next town was forcibly taken out of his

> >house by the Dept of Health because his house had given him 3 heart

> >attacks. I met a man here in NM who works in the Gila. He said he moved

> >here from Moldy Pacific NW, had congestive heart failure, and was given

> >6 months to live, that was 10 years ago, he said he thought he was

> >always made sick from mold when he lived in the NW, but recovered

> >totally in 6 months of living in the Gila. Get away from mold and give

> >yourself a chance

> >

>

[Guest guest]

When I had my first echocardiogram, which is an ultrasound picture of your

heart, as it is functioning, I was experiencing an extreme inflamation of my

lungs, due to an ongoing mold exposure, at the time of the echocardiogram. The

echocardiogram measures the " ejection fraction " of your heart, which quantifies

the seriousness of your congestive heart failure. The technician moving the

ultrasound wand over my body seemed to be stuck on the front of my chest, over

my lungs. When I asked her why she was lingering in that location for a much

longer time period than the back and side locations that she had previously

done, she said that she was having difficulty seeing the ultrasound picture of

my heart, from that viewing angle, because something was " clouding " the image.

It wasn't until I got home, and thought through her words, that I realized that

what had been clouding her image was the inflamation of my lungs, that had

interfered with the ultrasound waves, as they passed through my lungs, in an

attempt to visualize my heart. The technician had said that she " got enough " of

an image for the doctor to make a diagnosis of my congestive heart failure. SHE

LIED. My echocardiogram results were terrible, and the poor diagnosis resulting

from the cloudy image, made me sick with worry, in addition to my other physical

illnesses. The following year, AFTER I had removed myself from the moldy

environment, and my lungs were no longer inflamed, I repeated my echocardiogram,

and obtained a vastly better diagnosis. I felt like I had been given back my

life, as I was so emotionally elated. The sad moral of my story is: Any current

mold exposure that YOU are experiencing, will interfere with any echocardiogram

that YOU take, and will result in a FALSE diagnosis of your congestive heart

failure as being worse than it really is. The lesson of my story is that you

have to move away from your moldy environment before you can even GET a reliable

diagnosis of your congestive heart failure.

>

> I think definately so, since your heart is laying against your lungs.

Inflamation in your lungs can put pressure on your heart and give you that

breathless feeling or the inflamation could easily spread to your heart. My

heart was tested and no problem found but I freq had breathless, heart heaviness

when I was in place breathing bad air. When I moved out, heart heaviness and

breathlessness was gone so in my case, think it was coming from my lungs, unless

whatever I was breathing was directly affecting my heart but easy to see lung

affecting your heart. Also inflamatory agents, like mold toxins can easily be

breathed into your lungs and affect your heart since the blood goes from lung

into heart.

[Guest guest]

Barb: This is similar to a friend of mine. She was diagnosed with lung cancer in

her 50's and moved to NH to be with her daughter and to have the surgery after

spotting a large tumor in an x-ray. A few weeks after moving they repeated the

x-ray prior to surgery and NOTHING there. Very strange. When she told me the

story I told her I bet it was mold or fungus and it cleared after moving out of

her old home.

>

> Actually this reminds of something very interesting. I have a cousin who went

around visiting all his relatives because his doctor said he was dying of lung

cancer. There was nothing they could do. He was about 55 I think. This was

about ten years ago. He was a smoker and lived in CA. He came here to visit me

in Cincinnati and then moved just south of here because his two kids lived in

the area and he wanted to spend more time with them since he was going to die

soon. He never did!! He got better, much better and of course I suspect SICK

BUILDING syndrome. Its the most likely thing. He didn't do anything, didn't

try to assume a healthier life style, etc, because he felt it was too late. He

just moved. As far as I know he didn't even quite smoking!! I have wanted to

talk to him about this but I don't see him that often and when I do, its a big

party.

[Guest guest]

It's ashame things are the way they are, because some people must know this!!,

and people don't move, aren't tested for sickness from wdb, go through cancer

treatment unnecessarily and die because they are still living in sick building.

> >

> > Actually this reminds of something very interesting. I have a cousin who

went around visiting all his relatives because his doctor said he was dying of

lung cancer. There was nothing they could do. He was about 55 I think. This

was about ten years ago. He was a smoker and lived in CA. He came here to

visit me in Cincinnati and then moved just south of here because his two kids

lived in the area and he wanted to spend more time with them since he was going

to die soon. He never did!! He got better, much better and of course I suspect

SICK BUILDING syndrome. Its the most likely thing. He didn't do anything,

didn't try to assume a healthier life style, etc, because he felt it was too

late. He just moved. As far as I know he didn't even quite smoking!! I have

wanted to talk to him about this but I don't see him that often and when I do,

its a big party.

>

[Guest guest]

Incidentally when my cousin stopped by ten years ago to say goodbye to me, due

to prognosis of dying from lung cancer, he was stick thin and gray complexion.

Looked really bad. When I saw him last summer at a family get together he

looked the picture of health. Good color, good, normal weight, drinks and

smokes as much as he usually did, no health regime. That has to be what

happened. No other explanation is possible. Well, it could have been some

other toxic exposure in his area but then you would think other people in area

would have been sick or having lung problems.

> >

> > Actually this reminds of something very interesting. I have a cousin who

went around visiting all his relatives because his doctor said he was dying of

lung cancer. There was nothing they could do. He was about 55 I think. This

was about ten years ago. He was a smoker and lived in CA. He came here to

visit me in Cincinnati and then moved just south of here because his two kids

lived in the area and he wanted to spend more time with them since he was going

to die soon. He never did!! He got better, much better and of course I suspect

SICK BUILDING syndrome. Its the most likely thing. He didn't do anything,

didn't try to assume a healthier life style, etc, because he felt it was too

late. He just moved. As far as I know he didn't even quite smoking!! I have

wanted to talk to him about this but I don't see him that often and when I do,

its a big party.

>

[Guest guest]

May I suggest reading Sinatra Solution by Dr. Sinatra M.D.? My

husband was diagnosed with severe congestive heart failure. One

cardiologist informed me his next step would be a heart transplant. Another

ER doctor accidentally caused his experience with death (flushed

electrolytes) three days later, the following week a whole team of medical

doctors informed me I was taking him home to die. He was so weak, couldn't

take a shower, couldn't even walk down the half flight of stairs to our main

level, couldn't get to the treadmill in our sunroom.

What do you do????

I studied info on metabolic cardiology, learned about real foods vs

frankenfoods and took diligent care to fire ALL his former doctors after

assembling a team of doctors who I asked to help me help him. I threw out

all frankenfoods, anything and everything with artificial colors,

sweeteners, and high fructose corn syrup. We now avoid overprocessed

foods... we also visit an OMD - a doctor of oriental medicine in

consultation of any and all health concerns.

That was 26 months ago, he's currently on half as many meds as the time of

his diagnosis with impending doomsday diagnosis. He's no longer on any

diabetes meds despite being previously maxed out on 2 oral diabetes meds.

As I type this, he's finishing up the dishes from dinner as we prepare for

our bedtime routine. He has more energy and is a totally different person

now - I loved the man I married, but I now adore the man who's evolved from

the experience with death at the hands of the medical mafia.

Jeri

On May 30, 2010 11:42 AM, " kathleenjeanbarrett " <kjt@...> wrote:

Does anyone know if there is a connection between mold exposure and

Congestive Heart Failure?

Both my husband & I were diagnosed with it yesterday. I suspected he had it

because of swollen ankles, but actually I have it too & probably worse! It

was a shock & quite scary. We are both mid-fifties. We recently left our

moldy house, only to unwittingly move into another. We have looked at

everything for rent in the whole county and not found one place without

mold. We have seen leaking roofs, windows, plumbing, moldy bathrooms, etc. I

got so incredibly sick last Sunday just looking at an apartment. It turns

out the shower was literaly a wooden closet! The windowsill still had lots

of black and orange mold on it. Ugh.

Where is there a safe place to live? I'm struggling to not despair.

Kathleen

[Guest guest]

Thats interesting Barb, do you know how or why they said he had cancer? I wish I

would of had a lung xray before I caughed all that moldy mucus up out of my

lungs, just wondering if that may of been the case with him. maybe a lung xray

made his lungs appear full of cancer growth with actually it was full of mold

and mucus.

would than a biopsy from the lung lead some doctors to say you have cancer?

> > >

> > > Actually this reminds of something very interesting. I have a cousin who

went around visiting all his relatives because his doctor said he was dying of

lung cancer. There was nothing they could do. He was about 55 I think. This

was about ten years ago. He was a smoker and lived in CA. He came here to

visit me in Cincinnati and then moved just south of here because his two kids

lived in the area and he wanted to spend more time with them since he was going

to die soon. He never did!! He got better, much better and of course I suspect

SICK BUILDING syndrome. Its the most likely thing. He didn't do anything,

didn't try to assume a healthier life style, etc, because he felt it was too

late. He just moved. As far as I know he didn't even quite smoking!! I have

wanted to talk to him about this but I don't see him that often and when I do,

its a big party.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much, Jeri!

I am ordering the book by Dr Sinatra right now. I may even try to go to him. I

have been on a healing diet for many years due to CFS/MCS. But, I need

nutritional help for my heart. The words the diagnosing doctor said were sudden

death and heart transplant, very scary.

Kathleen

>

> May I suggest reading Sinatra Solution by Dr. Sinatra M.D.? My

> husband was diagnosed with severe congestive heart failure. One

> cardiologist informed me his next step would be a heart transplant. Another

> ER doctor accidentally caused his experience with death (flushed

> electrolytes) three days later, the following week a whole team of medical

> doctors informed me I was taking him home to die. He was so weak, couldn't

> take a shower, couldn't even walk down the half flight of stairs to our main

> level, couldn't get to the treadmill in our sunroom.

>

> What do you do????

>

> I studied info on metabolic cardiology, learned about real foods vs

> frankenfoods and took diligent care to fire ALL his former doctors after

> assembling a team of doctors who I asked to help me help him. I threw out

> all frankenfoods, anything and everything with artificial colors,

> sweeteners, and high fructose corn syrup. We now avoid overprocessed

> foods... we also visit an OMD - a doctor of oriental medicine in

> consultation of any and all health concerns.

>

> That was 26 months ago, he's currently on half as many meds as the time of

> his diagnosis with impending doomsday diagnosis. He's no longer on any

> diabetes meds despite being previously maxed out on 2 oral diabetes meds.

> As I type this, he's finishing up the dishes from dinner as we prepare for

> our bedtime routine. He has more energy and is a totally different person

> now - I loved the man I married, but I now adore the man who's evolved from

> the experience with death at the hands of the medical mafia.

>

> Jeri

[Guest guest]

,

What kind of detox occurs at the higher altitude? Is it that the air is fresher?

Thanks,Sam

 Lots of free camping. Being away from people with lots of fresh air and

sunshine is very good for your health. In the heat of the summer you can always

run up the side of a mountain to cool off, and detox your stuff at altitude at

the same time.

[Guest guest]

It is one of many tricks learned by someone I cannot mention on this site. Going

to elevation loosens the molecular hold of toxin, letting it blow away. I have

tried it to good affect with my truck

>  Lots of free camping. Being away from people with lots of fresh air and

sunshine is very good for your health. In the heat of the summer you can always

run up the side of a mountain to cool off, and detox your stuff at altitude at

the same time.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

one thing to keep in mind is that those with damaged lungs will have a much

harder time trying to breath at higher elevations.

it could be very hard on some of us.

> >  Lots of free camping. Being away from people with lots of fresh air and

sunshine is very good for your health. In the heat of the summer you can always

run up the side of a mountain to cool off, and detox your stuff at altitude at

the same time.

> >

> >

> >

>